PENALTY SYSTEM IS STILL A PIECE OF ****!!!

All too often, the driver initiating the contact escapes without a penalty. Racing last night on the Expressway, there were a few drivers who would ram rather than allow a faster car to pass.

If there is no other way, then I guess the best answer would be to penalise both drivers equally. Still not fair, but better than nothing. I get so pissed off when I am shoved into a wall, get a 5 second penalty and the other driver disappears into the sunset with nothing !!!
 
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Cardiffian
All too often, the driver initiating the contact escapes without a penalty. Racing last night on the Expressway, there were a few drivers who would ram rather than allow a faster car to pass.

If there is no other way, then I guess the best answer would be to penalise both drivers equally. Still not fair, but better than nothing. I get so pissed off when I am shoved into a wall, get a 5 second penalty and the other driver disappears into the sunset with nothing !!!
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Last night a car rams me from behind into the wall in the turn before the chicane at Tokyo (FIA) and I get a 2 sec colliding with car penalty. So I punt him in the wall at the chicane (which does massive car damage for half a lap, minor for me) no penalty for me. Ram me and give me a penalty, I'll make sure I earned it....

First race at Monza today, car starts ramming me on the straight in the braking zone then cuts the chicane, 2 sec penalty for me, business as usual.
 
oneloops
In modern motorsport, telemetry can reasonable tell if a driver is in pupose going too slow (compared to himself) and if he is driving in an unsportmanlike way.

FIA regulations, article 27.4 (it's the same text that article 30.14 of ADAC sporting regulations) :
"27.4 At no time may a car be driven unnecessarily slowly, erratically or in a manner which could be
deemed potentially dangerous to other drivers or any other person. "

If you brake too early in order to slow down the car behind you, it can be potentially dangerous to other drivers.
Even if you block the turn exits going too slow, that can provoque an accident.
Of course "unnecessarily slowly" is a subjective messure, and in a subtle way is allowed, but it is still unsportmanlike IMO.

The bigger problem about this matter is that there is not a quantity or % to be considered not allowed in FIA regulations... Each case is studied in its context...
It's a subjective issue, so still more difficult to everybody have consensus with the rules in a game or sim.
You'll have your opinion and I'll have mine about when and how much it is unsportmanlike slowing down rivals.
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You win the interweb for the day I guess.
Apparently you never read my first reply where I used the word "nuance", I never used any term close to "excessive".
 
Stance
The penalty system sucks and it's always the other guys fault right? Never your own.
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It certainly can be. But the penalty system does indeed suck. When someone can ram you off in a corner and you get the penalty, when someone can push you into a wall and you get the penaltie,when someone drives on the inside of you in a corner and you get the penalty, when someone can dive-bomb you and tougher the penalty then the penalty system sucks.
I would rather have the system where no one got a penalty except for track limits instead of what we have now...
 
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RacingGrandpa
It certainly can be. But the penalty system does indeed suck. When someone can ram you off in a corner and you get the penalty, when someone can push you into a wall and you get the penaltie,when someone drives on the inside of you in a corner and you get the penalty, when someone can dive-bomb you and tougher the penalty then the penalty system sucks.
I would rather have the system where no one got a penalty except for track limits instead of what we have now...
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A badly made penalty system is worse than a nonexistent system in my opinion.
I left the races for a week, and yesterday I decided to do some races in Monza, a track that I like and on which it performs well, 11 races and only a top 5, out of 11 races at least 7 times I was hit by torpedoes without brakes in the chicane, races thrown, and 2600 DR points lost. Unfortunately, in one race I lost the braking point and threw out 2 drivers (I'm correct, but I can be wrong) and I didn't take any penalty, in 350 races only 2 times I threw out drivers for my mistake, the last time with a penalty system (imperfect) but better than this I definitely took 10 sec. penalty and it was right. I would propose a different system, the second penalties are not a deterrent for the thugs, because in the end they do not care much about the result of the race, but a week of exclusion from online races after 3 serious penalties would be better. Hard penalties for those who arrive as a ground / air missile against you, 3 missiles = ban. After 3 ban SuperMario Kart awaits you
 
In too many circumstances DR points are lost, which certainly do not reflect the level of ability of a player, I repeat, yesterday 7 out of 11 I was thrown out of the track without the possibility of defense, 3/4 times on the last lap, or on the lap 3 of 4, on a track like Monza you don't recover anymore. In the middle of a race I lost the connection to the server and I lost 1100 DR points. If I had been at a score between the two categories I would have gone from B to C. Losing the connection or being overwhelmed by incorrect and slower drivers than you do that you become a lower category driver?

Cardiffian
Well, to be honest, I am currently S rated but don't really thing I should be !
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I don't mean to be arrogant, but I really think I deserve the SR S class, and I am sure that if I had less respect than the drivers in front of me I would have better results at the end of the race. During the races my trajectories my braking points are in operation of what the drivers in front of me do, I can't always think of being alone as in qualifying, so I have to adapt and wait for the best moment to overtake safely and correctly, even if this means driving at speeds below my abilities, this entails the fact that someone then comes from behind who sees the riders in front only as barriers to break down to achieve the result, if I too were less considerate and less honest, on many occasions I would be able to get rid of the stress of the pile wild in the middle of the group, at that point, however, I would no longer deserve the S class.
 
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RacingGrandpa
It certainly can be. But the penalty system does indeed suck. When someone can ram you off in a corner and you get the penalty, when someone can push you into a wall and you get the penaltie,when someone drives on the inside of you in a corner and you get the penalty, when someone can dive-bomb you and tougher the penalty then the penalty system sucks.
I would rather have the system where no one got a penalty except for track limits instead of what we have now...
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That would still suck, some of the penalties I got were from other people pushing / bumping / punting me into a short cut. I've also seen plenty simply abusing the track limits since 0.5 sec doesn't hurt in the Monza chaos. Take it too far you get 1 to 2 sec for a shortcut, at least that does something. Fastest way around is to use others for brakes of course, penalty free :banghead:

Despite the chaos I was up to a clean streak of 4 yesterday. Not that any of those races were clean, I got hit plenty and I got some back as well :lol: (the final turn and T1 are the most fool proof places to punt without getting a penalty, 2nd chicane make sure they hit the reset as well as in Ascari)

The most dangerous place to be is on the driving line. Anyone that dives on your inside and/or pushes you out in the corner can easily get you a penalty. It should be renamed to the penalty line.
 
After this past update I’m now convinced that PD would rather have several dirty gamers playing while they focus on their next release, rather than having fewer, serious sim-racers. I’m sure they’ve crunched the numbers and found that dirty wreckers are far more lucrative than clean racers. Well, I’m not sure, I’m just speculating. But how else could this current system of rewarding the wreckers be explained? I was almost certain there was a coding error that was reversing the penalties between the guilty and innocent. But nope, PD seems content the way things are.
 
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Currently racing as DR B & SR S and thought I'd have a go at Monza.

Qualifying time put me about 9th on the grid in two races and, in both, I had climbed to 6th fairly quickly with high hopes of making 4th or 5th. It wasn't to be following two ram sessions where I conceded the penalty and ended up in the gravel. Regained composure and finished around 12th / 13th in both. Lost 1,210 points in the process and can see my progress back to DR B slipping away before my eyes. If anyone on here is racing as DR E, then we'll be racing together soon if this goes on!!

After the race, one driver said 'sorry' to two of us and what the hell good is that when it's just trashed my progress. Typing IDIOT after the race makes me feel slightly better, but doubt whether the moron has the intelligence to understand my derogatory remark.
 
RacingGrandpa
Careful with that. While their ramming, side swiping and pushing will go unpunished in game and if you report them your language can get you banned from PS network for a week or two
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There is little point in reporting anyone because it's unlikely that any action will be taken, so I would never go down that road. There are invariably adverse comments from one driver to another after every race where dirty tactics have been used. I'm simply going with the flow and would never use unacceptable language in the process. If I refer to someone as an idiot, then it's because they are one and doing so is the only way of conveying to them that their driving style is unacceptable.
 
Jagman XK8
There is little point in reporting anyone because it's unlikely that any action will be taken, so I would never go down that road. There are invariably adverse comments from one driver to another after every race where dirty tactics have been used. I'm simply going with the flow and would never use unacceptable language in the process. If I refer to someone as an idiot, then it's because they are one and doing so is the only way of conveying to them that their driving style is unacceptable.
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I seem to be getting away with calling people w anchors at the min :lol:
 
Jagman XK8
There is little point in reporting anyone because it's unlikely that any action will be taken, so I would never go down that road. There are invariably adverse comments from one driver to another after every race where dirty tactics have been used. I'm simply going with the flow and would never use unacceptable language in the process. If I refer to someone as an idiot, then it's because they are one and doing so is the only way of conveying to them that their driving style is unacceptable.
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You might as well spam the in game report button. It doesn't result to anything, but perhaps there's a counter at PD somewhere and maybe someone will say at some point, this is getting out of hand. Nothing else seems to work. Every update making it worse has more people making alt accounts while destruction happy players are having a blast. From PDs point of view, attendance is going up...
https://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?stat_preset=weekly_sport_activity
 
barak181
This is the thing that always gets me, PD can't really be that unaware, can they?
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Ignorance is bliss?

Does FIA know they are endorsing this?
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2 and 7 sec penalty for me and engine damage etc
 
I love racing, doesn't mean I'll stop criticizing the game. I stopped expecting a different result a long time ago, just going with the tit for tat now until PD fixes this ****, which I don't expect they will. There are still plenty good people on the track that race clean and fair. Doesn't mean we should pretend the bad apples don't exist or that the penalty system is not making the situation worse.
 
Sven Jurgens
I love racing, doesn't mean I'll stop criticizing the game. I stopped expecting a different result a long time ago, just going with the tit for tat now until PD fixes this ****, which I don't expect they will. There are still plenty good people on the track that race clean and fair. Doesn't mean we should pretend the bad apples don't exist or that the penalty system is not making the situation worse.
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Right,makes sense to me. Complaining about something you know is going to happen is like giving a kid a bag of hammers to play with. Play on.
 
killerjimbag
Right,makes sense to me. Complaining about something you know is going to happen is like giving a kid a bag of hammers to play with. Play on.
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So, if you love something but think some aspects are not good you should just drop it instead of trying to fix it?
Posting here is the only way to try and do so. We love the game, we love it when the racing is like it's supposed to be, and because of that we think it's worth it even with the ****** penalties.
If you think the answer is to just leave it why are you in this thread?
 
Sven Jurgens
Ignorance is bliss?

Does FIA know they are endorsing this?
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2 and 7 sec penalty for me and engine damage etc
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Looks like the same guy both times and it's definitely intentional. Some kind of personal vendetta maybe? Is there something you're not telling us, Sven? :lol: Just kidding of course. Probably just some idiot who doesn't like Canadians. Or just some idiot.
 
Yesterday GranTurismo TV uploaded a split screen view of the last lap of the Sydney WT event. In the comments someone asked about the penalty system and I made some constructive comments. Someone else wasn't been constructive and was just being mad about it. Anyway, that comment thread has been completely deleted from YouTube....

Not really sure what to make of it but I suppose it does mean PD are aware that there is discontent surrounding the penalty system. Whether or not they do anything about it, and if what they do just breaks things even more remains to be seen!

Kinda losing hope with it to be honest. Recent streams I've seen show that even clean top split races are being ruined by unnecessary penalties.

I keep saying it, but given that PD don't seem to know how to fix the system I really hope they just go back to what we had earlier last year. To me that was at least a functional penalty and SR system that had a few issues. What we have now is a completely non functional system that puts everyone at max SR and gets blame decisions wrong far more often than it gets it right. Hell, a system that awards penalties at random would theoretically get it right more often that the current system.
 
BaareCZ
Looks like the same guy both times and it's definitely intentional. Some kind of personal vendetta maybe? Is there something you're not telling us, Sven? :lol: Just kidding of course. Probably just some idiot who doesn't like Canadians. Or just some idiot.
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I bet for a personal vendetta, nobody does that for no other reward than vendetta, after an excesive blocking, excessive agressive attacking, intentioned collisions or collision from a mistake without giving back the position, etc.

If it wasn't a vendetta the other driver would take care of keeping in the track.

... but always is better to show only the part which we seem to be the victim of the system...
 
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