PENALTY SYSTEM IS STILL A PIECE OF ****!!!

So, if you love something but think some aspects are not good you should just drop it instead of trying to fix it?
Posting here is the only way to try and do so. We love the game, we love it when the racing is like it's supposed to be, and because of that we think it's worth it even with the ****** penalties.
If you think the answer is to just leave it why are you in this thread?
Love something. Really? I get it,it's a video game. Its seems all the posting on how bad the penalty system is/was has made it worse. Kind of like texting your ex over and over till the cops show up. Different kind of love but anyway. Yes I once too was in love with this franchise until they released this piece of crap. Now you might understand why I divorced it.
 
What I meant with "never your own fault" is that people who tend to complain tons about dirty drivers are 9 out of 10 dirty themselves and are too blind to see or ignorant to acknowledge it. You don't go from nearly A back to D because of other people, you sure as bad word are also doing something very dumb yourself. Funny thread
 
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Looks like the same guy both times and it's definitely intentional. Some kind of personal vendetta maybe? Is there something you're not telling us, Sven? :lol: Just kidding of course. Probably just some idiot who doesn't like Canadians. Or just some idiot.

Oh there was something before that. He's a fast player (turned out to be an alt account from someone from the UK) who had a crappy race and fell back. He was impatient, dive barge passed me to get back to the front (last right before the chicane) then kinda messed up the chicane so I got next to him ahead of him on the way to T1. I was on the outside on the way to T1, he was on the inside drafting another car there a bit further ahead so inched ahead. Last second he swerved back over to the racing line taking my view away of the braking point and slammed on the brakes, I bumped him he went wide. Had he simply kept the inside line, nothing would have happened. That first hit happened at the end of that lap. I had engine damage so went in to the pit, shouldn't see him again. But he screwed up again later, I passed his ghost then he did the second hit from way behind after which he quit.

The next race he finished 2nd with fastest lap, behind another alt account from the UK. (I called him out before the race, he said some nasty words whatever, real temper that one) I did a Monza race in between where I got 2 BS penalties, dropped to SR.A, then my 3rd FIA race went great (in SR.A). I finished 4th with clean race bonus, didn't get rammed off once. Not worth that many points but far less red ratings at the end and less cursing.

Just some idiot that probably can't get away with his hot headed driving back home.


Love something. Really? I get it,it's a video game. Its seems all the posting on how bad the penalty system is/was has made it worse. Kind of like texting your ex over and over till the cops show up. Different kind of love but anyway. Yes I once too was in love with this franchise until they released this piece of crap. Now you might understand why I divorced it.

Interesting view. You think PD intentionally made it worse because people complain about the penalty system :lol:

Anyway the main reason I posted those two hits is for the penalty system. Have you ever seen more intentional hits than that? Why does the ghosting not kick in in FIA? Is this what FIA wants?
 
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Love something. Really? I get it,it's a video game. Its seems all the posting on how bad the penalty system is/was has made it worse. Kind of like texting your ex over and over till the cops show up. Different kind of love but anyway. Yes I once too was in love with this franchise until they released this piece of crap. Now you might understand why I divorced it.
It's very common that people divorce and then go on to find other people who love them.
I never played any of the other GT games, but I truly love competing with other humans online. And yes, with a big player base there is bound to be some bad apples, that's fine, I accept that and I too make mistakes from time to time. Those mistakes should be penalised, not encouraged. And that is my gripe with the current penalty status.
 
Ignorance is bliss?

Does FIA know they are endorsing this?
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2 and 7 sec penalty for me and engine damage etc
Oh well, these pictures are a perfect example that showcases what's the problem today. It is not possible to avoid that certain players are incorrect as in the video, but the PD could at least prevent the victim after being hit and dragged off the track also has to suffer a penalty in seconds. Even the acts of revenge are the result of bad management. In races, everything can happen (someone has often said it here) it can also happen that the one in front of us uses different trajectories than usual, perhaps because of others in front of him, but it is always the job of those who follow to adapt and be careful. At least I do so, within the limits of my abilities. So you cannot justify a contact just because in front of it they made chaos, who is hit (even without bad will) will feel damaged 2 times seeing no penalty for the hitter and therefore revenge will start, which is not fair but is the consequence of a broken system. The sum of all these things makes the game become horrible and unplayable for those who want to do it in a certain way.
I would leave more freedom to some shoulder to shoulder contact without damage or advantages, but zero tolerance to those who come from behind with their eyes closed and without brakes. But I repeat that it is not admissible to receive penalties in seconds when hit from behind
 
Oh there was something before that. He's a fast player (turned out to be an alt account from someone from the UK) who had a crappy race and fell back. He was impatient, dive barge passed me to get back to the front (last right before the chicane) then kinda messed up the chicane so I got next to him ahead of him on the way to T1. I was on the outside on the way to T1, he was on the inside drafting another car there a bit further ahead so inched ahead. Last second he swerved back over to the racing line taking my view away of the braking point and slammed on the brakes, I bumped him he went wide. Had he simply kept the inside line, nothing would have happened. That first hit happened at the end of that lap. I had engine damage so went in to the pit, shouldn't see him again. But he screwed up again later, I passed his ghost then he did the second hit from way behind after which he quit.

The next race he finished 2nd with fastest lap, behind another alt account from the UK. (I called him out before the race, he said some nasty words whatever, real temper that one) I did a Monza race in between where I got 2 BS penalties, dropped to SR.A, then my 3rd FIA race went great (in SR.A). I finished 4th with clean race bonus, didn't get rammed off once. Not worth that many points but far less red ratings at the end and less cursing.

Just some idiot that probably can't get away with his hot headed driving back home.




Interesting view. You think PD intentionally made it worse because people complain about the penalty system :lol:

Anyway the main reason I posted those two hits is for the penalty system. Have you ever seen more intentional hits than that? Why does the ghosting not kick in in FIA? Is this what FIA wants?
This is why I quit playing this game. One step forward 3 steps back. I play AC,PC2 and actually Nascar. I've played every GT game,been staunch supporter of PD. This is not the "Real Driving Simulator "
 
Oh there was something before that. He's a fast player (turned out to be an alt account from someone from the UK) who had a crappy race and fell back. He was impatient, dive barge passed me to get back to the front (last right before the chicane) then kinda messed up the chicane so I got next to him ahead of him on the way to T1. I was on the outside on the way to T1, he was on the inside drafting another car there a bit further ahead so inched ahead. Last second he swerved back over to the racing line taking my view away of the braking point and slammed on the brakes, I bumped him he went wide. Had he simply kept the inside line, nothing would have happened. That first hit happened at the end of that lap. I had engine damage so went in to the pit, shouldn't see him again. But he screwed up again later, I passed his ghost then he did the second hit from way behind after which he quit.

The next race he finished 2nd with fastest lap, behind another alt account from the UK. (I called him out before the race, he said some nasty words whatever, real temper that one) I did a Monza race in between where I got 2 BS penalties, dropped to SR.A, then my 3rd FIA race went great (in SR.A). I finished 4th with clean race bonus, didn't get rammed off once. Not worth that many points but far less red ratings at the end and less cursing.

Just some idiot that probably can't get away with his hot headed driving back home.

That's what I thought. Just some idiot taking out his frustration from a race going badly on an innocent bystander (you were 15th and he 16th). The real problem here being of course the victim getting the penalty for it. :banghead:
 
What I meant with "never your own fault" is that people who tend to complain tons about dirty drivers are 9 out of 10 dirty themselves

In race A today, a driver had something along the lines of "Please don't ram others, this is GT Sport not GTA" as their pre-race greeting and what did they do on the 1st straight?
Thats right, side swipes into me and finishes off with a punt (I got the barrier penalty) on turn 2
 
In race A today, a driver had something along the lines of "Please don't ram others, this is GT Sport not GTA" as their pre-race greeting and what did they do on the 1st straight?
Thats right, side swipes into me and finishes off with a punt (I got the barrier penalty) on turn 2

A Rovers fan?

Lost 3215 dr points in 8 races due to being constantly rammed off at Ascari. No other corner, just that one!!

Loses you a good 7 to 10 seconds to the field, and not once did the aggressor get a penalty.

Yet no matter if I'm on the inside or outside in the chicane and someone bumps me from their eagerness to get through, no matter what, I get a 1 second penalty and SR deduction. And they scoot off into the distance.

I'm tempted to qualify to get further up the field, but you just know that come T1 on Lap 1, you'd be at the back of the field anyway!!!
 
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Yes, for 32 years now, for my sins... one day, one day...



Just got to DR B, not going near Monza

I used to watch them back in the late 70's when they played on Friday nights, before watching my true love, Everton the following day.

My nephew does all the official game commentaries for Rovers. Cushy job travelling around the UK ;)



Monza can be fun if you get in with the right crowd. Sadly, losing the 3200 points dropped me back into DR C
 
Isn't it sad when we have to pick and choose what races to enter because we fear that the sharks are in the pool. Like FiveLighters, I've regained DR B and two races at Monza have already placed that in jeopardy. As said before, there's a matter of pride in heading up the ladder and we feel demoralised when that's taken away because some kid needs something to do when it has finished school for the day and doesn't give a damn what DR it is. I keep telling myself not to become too hung up on DR rating and just race, but my proud grey matter just won't let me adopt that attitude.
 
Yep picking your tracks is the best way to go about things in daily races. I don’t know if I’ll touch brands hatch. Definitely not touching Monza. If tracks I do well in like Dragon Trail Seaside for Race C, I would race.

FIA races has been cleaner for the most part. Don’t get me wrong, there is crap still happening but not as much as daily races. My account will only be FIA for the most part.
 
Isn't it sad when we have to pick and choose what races to enter because we fear that the sharks are in the pool. Like FiveLighters, I've regained DR B and two races at Monza have already placed that in jeopardy. As said before, there's a matter of pride in heading up the ladder and we feel demoralised when that's taken away because some kid needs something to do when it has finished school for the day and doesn't give a damn what DR it is. I keep telling myself not to become too hung up on DR rating and just race, but my proud grey matter just won't let me adopt that attitude.
This is the focus, if there was not a driver ranking (which moreover influences the points achievable in NATION CUP AND MANUFACTURED SERIES) no one would give a penalty, we will race to those who are harder, demolition derby style. But the ranking exists and you can climb it up with improprieties, or slide down without blame, something must be done, being able to get out of a broken race without losing DR would already be a good thing, it would be a starting point. Don't lose points due to a lost server connection also well. Losing the ranking because you are not up to it must be accepted, but not because of the crazy children.
 
Interesting point about lost server. I was in pole position at Willow and on the third lap the race ended with that message. The Pole Position was not added to my achievements, nor did I lose any DR points.
 
Interesting point about lost server. I was in pole position at Willow and on the third lap the race ended with that message. The Pole Position was not added to my achievements, nor did I lose any DR points.
I'm sure when lost server lost Dr point, 1100 for me
 
In race A today, a driver had something along the lines of "Please don't ram others, this is GT Sport not GTA" as their pre-race greeting and what did they do on the 1st straight?
Thats right, side swipes into me and finishes off with a punt (I got the barrier penalty) on turn 2
Yeah that happens to me too but usually its just dirty drivers complaining that others drive dirty. They may not punt someone off but then they do overtakes with door smashes, swiping across the track not using radar like a pleb and push someone overtaking them off.. Another good one is people who are understeering in a corner with someone next to them continue to floor the gas so they run the other guy wide or off track instead of releasing the throttle, giving space and having actual sportsmanship. It pisses people off, they remember and they more often than not will retaliate. The guy driving like a pleb doesnt remember or know what he did so to him the guy going for revenge is a stranger - _- it happens all the freaking time.
 
... before watching my true love, Everton the following day.

I used to watch Everton in the early/mid '90s! Always sat in the Gwladys Street Stand.

Regarding the idea that we should quit playing, the frustration is definitely high but I still enjoy the game very much. I view the penalty system as a luck system, just like mechanical failures in real life racing. They're unfair and they can strike anyone, ruining your race through no fault of your own. That's what the penalty system is. It's in such an advanced state of 'wrong' lately that I feel relieved when I am merely punted off the track in a clean manner. What's worse than that is when a driver overtakes you with contact, then you get the penalty and a dip in SR. With a clean punt off the road you aren't penalised, you just lose a few positions. What a state of affairs though, being grateful for only being punted off and not penalised too.
 
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Just played GTS again after a few weeks of other stuff. Hoping that the penalty system wouldn’t be as bad as it’s claimed to be. BS lobby, Manufacturer’s Cup. Got tagged from all sides, nobody got a penalty. Retaliated, took 2 players out. No penalty. car was completely messed up after 28 laps.

I got a blue arrow and a clean race bonus. This game is beyond redemption.

This game is really not worth any of my time anymore if the online part doesn’t work. There as much better offline simulators, with better physics, better AI.

PD fix this **** for the next game.
 
I used to watch Everton in the early/mid '90s! Always sat in the Gwladys Street Stand.

Nice. My first full season was 1977. Got to see Bob score his 30th goal of that season!!! I eventually got a season ticket around the 1985 season; was a Junior Evertonian before that. Always in the Lower Gwladys, to the centre left of the goal as you look at the pitch. Had one season in the front row of the Upper Gwladys, but quickly moved back downstairs.

Stopped going when Agent Johnson took over!!!!

Now run the TorontoToffees supporters group.
 
That's it. I've had it with this game.

I've just had a disasterous FIA race at Maggiore, where I got punted clean off the track on five occasions, yet I'm the one receiving the penalty while the perpetrators get off scott free. I'd qualified 2nd, but by the end of the third lap I was 20th. I got back up to 12th on lap 17 before being punted off on to the grass before the final chicane, and then when I rejoined and got over the line I was punted off again at the first corner. Back down to 20th and rage quit.

I am not playing this game any more until they sort the ****ing penalty system out. It's a ****ing joke!
 
That's it. I've had it with this game.

I've just had a disasterous FIA race at Maggiore, where I got punted clean off the track on five occasions, yet I'm the one receiving the penalty while the perpetrators get off scott free. I'd qualified 2nd, but by the end of the third lap I was 20th. I got back up to 12th on lap 17 before being punted off on to the grass before the final chicane, and then when I rejoined and got over the line I was punted off again at the first corner. Back down to 20th and rage quit.

I am not playing this game any more until they sort the ****ing penalty system out. It's a ****ing joke!

YES IT IS!
Tried Brands Hatch as a DR B and am now well into DR C. Race full of idiots who bumped me around and I gained 20 seconds of penalties. No way back from that and they all drove away clean. I gained places on my start position in almost every race this evening, but that seems to count for nothing. As said before, I'll probably see some of you back in DR E at some point in the future!
 
I suspect you can see the users here as a cross section of the players in GT Sport. If so then PD should view our frustration over the penalties as a cross section of the players frustration.
Perhaps one should make a poll of how many accounts the users are running, it might open PD's eyes.
 
Nice. My first full season was 1977. Got to see Bob score his 30th goal of that season!!! I eventually got a season ticket around the 1985 season; was a Junior Evertonian before that. Always in the Lower Gwladys, to the centre left of the goal as you look at the pitch. Had one season in the front row of the Upper Gwladys, but quickly moved back downstairs.

Stopped going when Agent Johnson took over!!!!

Now run the TorontoToffees supporters group.

That's cool. I was a Junior Evertonian too, sat in the same place you describe! 1994/5 was an interesting year, saw the most games that season. Low in the league but won the FA Cup.
 
I never complained about the penalty as it's better then nothing, but I think right now it is at one of the worst shapes:

The traditional and usually stupid overtaking maneuvers which consist of, go out of the slipstream, to the other half of the track, dive into the inside of the corner, even ifs on brands hatch, if the guy in front keeps the racing line (aka don't parks hes car in the outside so the super lightning fast person can pass), the lightning persons rams some part of the lateral of the car, very likely sending out of track. Then the penalty system comes in as gives the penalty to the guy that was just keeping his line.
If you just try to have a regular pace that is very difficult as on most of the corners you have to 'park' so they can pass without messing.
I hate all of this ******** "oh i'm defending" "oh im cutting his slipstream wobbling from side to the another"
fortunately, on long races the best strat in the end is park, let them by, they will crash into someone else in the front, so you may benefit :)
 
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Monza just killed my SR rating, in one day of racing it fell from S to B, managed to get it back to A, but it just seems like it's a lottery with penalties out there on first and second chicane. For example, get punted hard from behind while braking for 2nd chicane, because of that punt cut the right-hand turn at the chicane and get two wheels in the gravel trap, car that used me as a brake goes through cleanly and then uses me also as a barrier while im in the gravel so he too doesn't end up in it - 2s for exceeding track limits and 5s for colliding with the other car penalty for me. Seems about right. Also there seems to be no penalty whatsoever for crashing into someone from behind at braking, so happy punting everybody. :cheers:

The problem is I genuinely love racing at Monza and endure this broken penalty system for a hope of one great race in 5 attempts, but it's just starting to become insufferable. I can't accept the fact that I have to let every "late braking hero" to pass me by just to have at least somewhat clean race and still finish above them in the end.
 
I never complained about the penalty as it's better then nothing, but I think right now it is at one of the worst shapes:

The traditional and usually stupid overtaking maneuvers which consist of, go out of the slipstream, to the other half of the track, dive into the inside of the corner, even ifs on brands hatch, if the guy in front keeps the racing line (aka don't parks hes car in the outside so the super lightning fast person can pass), the lightning persons rams some part of the lateral of the car, very likely sending out of track. Then the penalty system comes in as gives the penalty to the guy that was just keeping his line.
If you just try to have a regular pace that is very difficult as on most of the corners you have to 'park' so they can pass without messing.
I hate all of this ******** "oh i'm defending" "oh im cutting his slipstream wobbling from side to the another"
fortunately, on long races the best strat in the end is park, let them by, they will crash into someone else in the front, so you may benefit :)
I also tried these techniques, I said at least I avoid wasting time or being thrown off the track .... leaving the road open seems not enough, they must hit you, taking the position is not enough they want to make sure that you don't try to take it back . They always try to delay you or accelerate you to take some penalties. If they are already developing the GTS sequel and this seems to be their game strategy then I think they won't get my money.

Monza just killed my SR rating, in one day of racing it fell from S to B, managed to get it back to A, but it just seems like it's a lottery with penalties out there on first and second chicane. For example, get punted hard from behind while braking for 2nd chicane, because of that punt cut the right-hand turn at the chicane and get two wheels in the gravel trap, car that used me as a brake goes through cleanly and then uses me also as a barrier while im in the gravel so he too doesn't end up in it - 2s for exceeding track limits and 5s for colliding with the other car penalty for me. Seems about right. Also there seems to be no penalty whatsoever for crashing into someone from behind at braking, so happy punting everybody. :cheers:

The problem is I genuinely love racing at Monza and endure this broken penalty system for a hope of one great race in 5 attempts, but it's just starting to become insufferable. I can't accept the fact that I have to let every "late braking hero" to pass me by just to have at least somewhat clean race and still finish above them in the end.
But for what reason I feel many people worry so much about the SR, it no longer has any value now, indeed I have noticed that often the races in the lower SR classes are cleaner. Some time ago you really felt the difference when you entered S class, but now what does it mean? With a lottery-style penalty system, a fairplay ranking does not make sense
 
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But for what reason I feel many people worry so much about the SR, it no longer has any value now, indeed I have noticed that often the races in the lower SR classes are cleaner. Some time ago you really felt the difference when you entered S class, but now what does it mean? With a lottery-style penalty system, a fairplay ranking does not make sense

You are right, but still, if we completely abandon any regard toward sportsmanship rating and it becomes completely irrelevant, then globally everybody starts behaving worse, not better. You could somewhat loosely compare this to societies where things such as law, order and common decency is ignored or ill-practiced, these societies always take the downward spiral into more and more chaos and disorder, and the overall state of these things doesn't improve during time.

So, while you're right in that SR rating isn't that important at this time, ignoring it could potentially, in a long run, completely ruin sport mode irreversibly. That's why I still care about SR and believe it should stay relevant, no matter how broken the penalty system currently is, because the alternative seems just so much worse.
 
I used to watch Everton in the early/mid '90s! Always sat in the Gwladys Street Stand.

I also used to go in the 70’s with my mates. I didn’t really support Everton, I just tagged along with my friends who did (peer pressure). Eavesways ran a coach from where I live and we all piled onto the back seat. The “back seat bovver boys” as the older gents at the front called us.
Sat? It was standing room only behind the goals at that end. There used to be a “cage” in there where they put all the very young kids. Never sure if it was for our or their protection. I remember one game when someone lobbed a half-eaten pork pie in the direction of the pitch at half time and took a bobbys helmet straight off! He was not a happy chappie, much to the amusement of everyone else.

Nice. My first full season was 1977. Got to see Bob score his 30th goal of that season!!!

I was at that game! Now was it Leeds or Chelsea, long time ago. Chelsea, I think.

Weirdly, I also have family relations who lived not far from Toronto. Small world indeed.
 
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