Playstation 3 System Update Thread
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There has to be something security related in the background or a surprise feature. I can't see them doing an update just for this.
Pakt Sardine
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Anyone else notice reports of 3.41 quietly disabling the ability to upgrade the hard drive?
Details are still iffy at this point (to me, anyways).
Error, or is Sony pulling another "Linux" stunt?
Details are still iffy at this point (to me, anyways).
Error, or is Sony pulling another "Linux" stunt?
Robin
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I think is a total disgrace that Sony keep releasing updates which offer basically useless stuff and are not properly tested so they mess up consoles. All this to add a recommendations list in PSN and you get a bricked PS3 in return! Also don't believe that what they say in the update synopsis is all they do to the console, every update does stuff under the hood they dont mention that usually ends up being a disaster.
They setup Blog Share and have not yet implemented one idea from it especially not the top 3 requested features, plus they quietly have erased all the 'bring back other OS' requests which they are currently getting sued for in one mega lawsuit.
I was happy with what I got on my console day one, until the laser broke with just over a years use. I guess its a blessing because all the other updates since it broke would have probably messed it up anyway.
So if you have a PS3 with a upgraded HDD wait a while for the inevitable 3.42 to come out.
Robin.
They setup Blog Share and have not yet implemented one idea from it especially not the top 3 requested features, plus they quietly have erased all the 'bring back other OS' requests which they are currently getting sued for in one mega lawsuit.
I was happy with what I got on my console day one, until the laser broke with just over a years use. I guess its a blessing because all the other updates since it broke would have probably messed it up anyway.
So if you have a PS3 with a upgraded HDD wait a while for the inevitable 3.42 to come out.
Robin.
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I think the problem involves updating the hard drive after you install 3.41. I updated last night and my 320GB gave me no problems or anything.
Though, strictly speaking, Sony should put more effort into testing these updates. It seems every one since 3.0 has been causing somewhat widespread problems for some group.
Though, strictly speaking, Sony should put more effort into testing these updates. It seems every one since 3.0 has been causing somewhat widespread problems for some group.
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They should release less updates. It gets annoying when you turn on your console and have the update message pop up at least once every month. And for me it's always a slow slow download.
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I don't know of anyone personally that is having an issue, and all my friends with PS3s have upgraded hard drives. Fortunately this sounds like an issue that can be fixed for most once Sony finds the issue, assuming they have a backup saved.
Things had gone so smoothly I was surprised to find out people were have problems.
Things had gone so smoothly I was surprised to find out people were have problems.
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same here, I upgraded my HDD a while ago and as far as I know the backup and restore utility are still there so I'm not sure these rumors of removing that ability came from...
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If Sony were selling PlayStation branded HDDs I wouldn't be surprised, but right now it seems like people trying to find a reason to explain what was likely an unfortunate incident.
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Possibly. Possibly not. I've heard all the arguments for both sides, and the idea that the case is clear cut for either side is absurd. Sony has certainly done something wrong, but it is possible that they have covered themselves in a way so that they will be able to get away with it. The implications of this case are also pretty far reaching and important, which most people tend to miss.
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What law? Sony didn't take away anything that decreased the PS3's ability to do what it was designed for, and that's to play games and Blu-ray movies et al. Last I checked, removing a non-essential feature from your product isn't illegal...
edit: from the US Playstation blog:
edit: from the US Playstation blog:
So no, Sony wasn't trying to remove the ability to replace your hard drive...
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Robin
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Well it is,
It was an advetised feature at the time of purchase, as a product must perform the functions which have been specified to the user they broke EU law, this was written all over the news so I don't know how you missed it!
Essential or non-essential features are an individual opinon, it says Other OS in the manual so it must perform Other OS on the machine forever, period.
This is why people got partial refunds in Europe.
Robin.
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What news?
Sour grapes much? Did you ever use OtherOS, and how often?The fact is, regardless of any other stuff it says in the manual the PS3 was designed as a games console. Not a Linux computer, which is something it just so happened to also function as. OtherOS was not the primary design point of the PS3, and through the removal of otherOS Sony was in no way inhibiting the PS3's main purpose.
Besides, why would you want to use a PS3 as a computer? Unless you had a USB keyboard and a mouse it would be horribly inefficient to use - it seems to me the only point to having otherOS is to make it possible to use your TV as a computer screen. But you can do that with the right equipment anyway (read: an ACTUAL computer)...
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It is if they were advertised as a product feature. If it wasn't, the current Class Action would have been thrown out. It isn't a question of whether what Sony did was illegal. It very much was. What it is a question of is if Sony covered their backsides in a way that would allow them to get away with it. "Non-essential" is also a loaded clarification that would be impossible to use as a legal defense because of its inherent subjectivity.
That really doesn't matter.
And that definitely doesn't matter.
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If you made a list of what a gaming console should be able to do, being used as a Linux computer would be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down the list, if on the list at all. That, to me, is an indication of a non-essential feature. Something that a console does not need in order to be called a game console.
All a microwave needs to do is cook food. They don't need to be able to pour you a pint or juggle chainsaws, just like a games console doesn't need to be able to have Linux installed onto it.
All a microwave needs to do is cook food. They don't need to be able to pour you a pint or juggle chainsaws, just like a games console doesn't need to be able to have Linux installed onto it.
I never said it did matter. I was merely curious as to how often Robin himself used otherOS.
Robin
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Sony has never marketed the PS3 soley as a games console but as a entertainment / media centre system and at times it was like they were just selling a Blu Ray Movie Player! Gaming on the PS3 was on the back burner especially in the beginning because they had to justify the price so it was more about what it did outside gaming and one touted feature was Other OS.
I'm sure the US army and many other academic establishments would argue with what is essential and non essential on this system. Its allowed many people to setup computing clusters for a great price, they are customers who also bought something advertised in the specs right?
I used it a couple of times a week with YDL 6.2, its fun to experiment with what the PS3 can do. I have never used Linux on other systems and it was great to have all this functionality in one machine. You could even try out legacy gaming on it. I dont have a modern TV with a VGA or DVI out so it was a useful function.
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But Other OS was marketed as a feature of the system, as were non gaming features like music playback and DVD playback. Can Sony remove those? It is just a gaming console, right? So, no need to keep something like Blu-Ray movie playback.
I never used Other OS, but wasn't happy when Sony showed me how easily they can reach into my home and take it away.
You know, my microwave has a clock and a kitchen timer too. If GE just came in and disconnected those features and then said, "It still cooks food, that's all it needs to do to be a microwave," would that be right?
See, some people used it as more than just a games console, some don't use them for games at all, and you cannot deny that for those people who chose a PS3 over a 360 due to these non-gaming features that this wasn't a raw move by Sony.
And sure, some people refused to upgrade in order to keep Other OS, but they lost a lot of their gaming console features.
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I guess i will jump in. I haven't had any probles with my PS3 after any update. In fact "The Day The Earth Stood Still" I did not use my PS3 and missed all the hoopla.
About the Other OS. I want no part in hurting Sony's financially but if they give everyone like a $20 PSN credit I'm ok with that....
now thats funny... but where is this "Advertised" feature for other OS. Its not on my launch 60gb box and I have never seen it "Advertised" anywhere... it was never a main feature to the system and not nearly as important than a clock on a Microwave. To not offer an alternative to it is the only bad thing I see.
About the Other OS. I want no part in hurting Sony's financially but if they give everyone like a $20 PSN credit I'm ok with that....
now thats funny... but where is this "Advertised" feature for other OS. Its not on my launch 60gb box and I have never seen it "Advertised" anywhere... it was never a main feature to the system and not nearly as important than a clock on a Microwave. To not offer an alternative to it is the only bad thing I see.
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The fact we knew it was included before launch means that it was advertised in some form, which means they do have a case. However I think Sony does have a slightly stronger case as they have IP rights for the OS.
This case does have a lot of consequences and either way gamers will wind up getting screwed. If Sony wins it will give the greenlight to developers to do whatever they want with a game after it's in our hands, if Sony looses developers may have trouble getting patches and other DLC out as there will be fear of lawsuits.
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