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I quote Amar in neogaf :



I'd know : what scenes, Amar's talking about ? Anyone has ideas ?

These pre rendered GT5 videos serve as a good idea of how it may look like,plys the Premuims are already future proofed so won't differ alot.

I guess that is what he means
 
The concept of converting the entire controller to touch screen buttons is atrocious. You would push buttons on accident constantly. You wouldn't be able to use it half the time without looking at it. It wouldn't be nearly as precise when you did want to push buttons. It would be laughably fragile. And it would burn through batteries obnoxiously quickly.

This. I've accidentally hit the wrong buttons on my DS3 before, last night on GTA I accidentally jumped out of my helicopter. But imagine just brushing a button, and messing up an intense race on GT6, jumping out of your car and failing a mission, or throwing a grenade and blowing yourself up.
 
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This. I've accidentally hit the wrong buttons on my DS3 before, last night on GTA I accidentally jumped out of my helicopter. But imagine just brushing a button, and messing up an intense race on GT6, jumping out of your car and failing a mission, or throwing a grenade and blowing yourself up.

I have had problems with touch sensitive hardware I was playing a game and my dog brushed lightly passed my xbox and ejected the disc so I agree touch sensitive buttons are just not on.
 
These pre rendered GT5 videos serve as a good idea of how it may look like,plys the Premuims are already future proofed so won't differ alot.

I guess that is what he means

It's difficult. We don't know if GT6'll release on PS3 or PS4....

So, I suppose that Seattle and Aprico Hill seem realized with render of GT5. But. Ginza (Tokyo) and Spain (mountain) seem with other graphics engine :

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I think Amar' talking this scene ?
 
It's difficult. We don't know if GT6'll release on PS3 or PS4....

Your right, we don't know. But it's safe to presume that it's a PS4 game.

@ch3ng, the start and select and PS home buttons wouldn't be to bad. But not the d pad and the x,o, triangle and square.
 
I'll surely not be buying a ps4, if it's not backwards compatible for ps and ps3. I think it's retarded how they wanna be so cheap about building the system, and expensive about selling it. Like how I can't play my ps2 games without my ps2. Or how the PS3 has a browser, that barely functions... with flashplayer what is it? flash 7 maybe.. you can't stream videos that aren't playing/using an mp4 format. i.e can't stream flash video, divx, or anything that isn't using an mp4 type.webplayer. I watch shows on the net more than tv, so it would have been nice had they made the ps3 with the ability to support at least flashplayer10
 
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I'll surely not be buying a ps4, if it's not backwards compatible for ps and ps3. I think it's retarded how they wanna be so cheap about building the system, and expensive about selling it. Like how I can't play my ps2 games without my ps2. Or how the PS3 has a browser, that barely functions... with flashplayer what is it? flash 7 maybe.. you can't stream videos that aren't using/using an mp4 format. i.e can't stream flash video, divx, or anything that isn't using an mp4 type.webplayer. I watch shows on the net more than tv, so it would have been nice had they made the ps3 with the ability to support at least flashplayer10

I believe the backwards compatability problem lies with the cell processor being very different and given the expense of two chips they opted for no backwards compatibility.

I believe the same issue will result in ps4 not being backwards compatible for the same reasons unless they use software emulation.
 
Yes that is the problem, different hardware is different hardware. When anyone says "backwards compatibility" what they really mean is emulation unless the previous hardware is placed in the new hardware as the EE was in early PS3s. Now when you play PS2 games from the PS Store you're doing so with software emulation. Obviously it's a lot easier for Sony to have a PS2 emulator running that any you'll find for PC because they made the PS2, they know exactly what they're doing, but it still takes a lot of power.

PS2 did software emulation of PS1, so does PS3. Unless they included the PS3 CELL processor in some form in the PS4 I wouldn't expect PS3 playback because emulating that CELL would take a processor much more powerful than any that have been rumoured, even with their knowledge with it.

That's why I said earlier there should really be no reason the PS4 can't do PS1 and PS2 via emulation but I wouldn't expect the PS3.
 
I'll surely not be buying a ps4, if it's not backwards compatible for ps and ps3. I think it's retarded how they wanna be so cheap about building the system, and expensive about selling it. Like how I can't play my ps2 games without my ps2. Or how the PS3 has a browser, that barely functions... with flashplayer what is it? flash 7 maybe.. you can't stream videos that aren't playing/using an mp4 format. i.e can't stream flash video, divx, or anything that isn't using an mp4 type.webplayer. I watch shows on the net more than tv, so it would have been nice had they made the ps3 with the ability to support at least flashplayer10

They aren't cheap about building the system and selling it expensively, its completely the other way round. The original PS3 with all the backwards compatiblity cost way more than it was sold for.

It's pretty much certain the PS4 won't play PS3 games, well not disc based ones anyway. This is because its predicted that the PS4 will use off the shelf PC style processors / parts much like xbox does which means it won't be compatible with CELL coded games.

As for PS1 and PS2 games, its pretty certain it will play PS1 because the cost of putting in the physical hardware is crazy cheap now. Playing PS2 games might be done by emulation or if the cost is right by physical hardware.

I don't understand why people can't keep their consoles to play games made for THAT machine. If you have PS3 games keep your PS3, PS2 games buy a PS2!
 
I don't understand why people can't keep their consoles to play games made for THAT machine. If you have PS3 games keep your PS3, PS2 games buy a PS2!

It's a matter of convenience. If there was a "deluxe" ps4 that would play ps1, 2 and 3 games, I'd spring the extra cash for it. Some of us have wives who don't want several boxes cluttering up their living rooms and frankly, it can be a pain in the ass unplugging everything then plugging in a new machine.

Edit: also, from my perspective, an all in one system would be extremely handy. I'm living in Japan, but before the end of the ps4's life cycle, I hope to move to Canada permanently. Imagine how much more convenient it would be if I could just copy all my saves onto a hard drive, sell the consoles then just pop the hdd into a new ps4 in Canada. I got rid of the boxes for most of my old games and cart them around in numerous cd storage boxes. I know that most playstation owners aren't going to uproot themselves and move across the globe, but it would be very convenient for me should the option be available.
 
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PS2 had all of the PSX hardware inside of it for reasons that weren't actually BC related (though it still used it for BC). They used it as the I/O controller for the DVD drive and hard drive and I think the audio components. They probably didn't need to do it that way, but some games also assigned functions to free up some resources for the rest of the games (the GTA games used it for ambient noises, as I recall).

Wow this hype train is gaining speed.

If there is a touch pad on the controller how can ds3 be compatible?

Probably the same way that so many Wii games supported the Gamecube controller, where developers just program a second input profile for it.
 
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It's a matter of convenience. If there was a "deluxe" ps4 that would play ps1, 2 and 3 games, I'd spring the extra cash for it. Some of us have wives who don't want several boxes cluttering up their living rooms and frankly, it can be a pain in the ass unplugging everything then plugging in a new machine.

Edit: also, from my perspective, an all in one system would be extremely handy. I'm living in Japan, but before the end of the ps4's life cycle, I hope to move to Canada permanently. Imagine how much more convenient it would be if I could just copy all my saves onto a hard drive, sell the consoles then just pop the hdd into a new ps4 in Canada. I got rid of the boxes for most of my old games and cart them around in numerous cd storage boxes. I know that most playstation owners aren't going to uproot themselves and move across the globe, but it would be very convenient for me should the option be available.

Indeed, a one-box-does-all machine is surely what everyone would prefer. Plus for a lot of people selling off the old console goes towards the new one, I know that was the case for me when I got a PS2. PS3 not so much because I got a 360 first but the PS2 still went.
 
Indeed, a one-box-does-all machine is surely what everyone would prefer. Plus for a lot of people selling off the old console goes towards the new one, I know that was the case for me when I got a PS2. PS3 not so much because I got a 360 first but the PS2 still went.

The million dollar question, before all of this talk of backwards compatibility, is will the obis be able to play used games. That's the main thing i'm worried about. As a consumer, it'll also affect whether I decide to get a launch PS4 or holding off for later revisions.

Here's to hoping that the PS4/Orbis does indeed play used games and the forecast of it not going to is not true.
 
I think it will. I know they patented that idea but I just can't see them putting it into place.

Yeah, it wouldn't be beneficial to third party companies that sell used games like Gamestop/EB Games and even places like Amazon and Ebay.
 
I hope that Sony will allow us to transfer our psn downloads over to the ps4. I believe that our downloads are limited to two systems. I have a number of downloads on my old ps3 that I haven't transferred over to my newer ps3 for this very reason. It would be great if we sony allowed a free transfer. Consoles always have an extremely limited library for the first year or so, so the ability to transfer our psn collections and continue to play our ps3 games would be a bonus.

And on another note, what about our trophy collections? I assume they will carry over. It would be a bit pointless if they didn't.
 
If you deactivate the older console you can transfer everything to the new one and it will remove that system from the number that you are allotted for having games on them.
 
I assume that sony will allow PSN downloads other than PS3 games/addons to transfer over (the reason not PS3 items stated above) as well as trophy collections.

I'm curious as I haven't been on PS HOME in a loooong time, but is there an actual physical trophy collection you can view there? That would be something neat to add on to PS HOME if not (as well as overhauling the whole damn thing to make it more interesting.)
 
That would be another disastrous move, not allowing the transfer of PSN accounts and all of it's contents to PS4.

As for PS Home it's a waste of time, hopefully it doesn't return.
 
If you deactivate the older console you can transfer everything to the new one and it will remove that system from the number that you are allotted for having games on them.

Ah okay. I thought I'd read something along those lines but wasn't sure. I don't have any free hdd space right now and was hoping I could download my games onto the ps4 as it will (hopefully) have a massive hdd. I need my monkey island, mgs and final fantasy fix.
 
I don't see why it wouldn't be able to emulate PS1 games at the very least, probably PS2 as well.

Because of it's price, if PS4 would not be compatible with previous game consoles, then you won't have to spend money on extra unnecessary gpu's on-board new system. Thanks to this you could spend that money on something more necessary.

This is for this first time in history since ps1 very smart move by sony. You don't have to buy ps4 to play ps3 games or ps2 or ps1. You can buy used second hand cheaper system. 👍 Or if you already had any of those you don't have to sell those because you buying system that can only emulate.
 
Because of it's price, if PS4 would not be compatible with previous game consoles, then you won't have to spend money on extra unnecessary gpu's on-board new system.

Sony already doesn't have to do that for PSX games, and they probably wouldn't need to for PS2 games next time around if the power jump is high enough. Price of special components isn't a valid argument against it.
 
Because of it's price, if PS4 would not be compatible with previous game consoles, then you won't have to spend money on extra unnecessary gpu's on-board new system. Thanks to this you could spend that money on something more necessary.

This is for this first time in history since ps1 very smart move by sony. You don't have to buy ps4 to play ps3 games or ps2 or ps1. You can buy used second hand cheaper system. 👍 Or if you already had any of those you don't have to sell those because you buying system that can only emulate.

See my previous point regarding convenience. In this day and age, people want their technology as feature packed as possible. Look at modern smart phones for example. For those fortunate enough to have a gaming room, the lack of backwards compatibility is no big deal, but for the average buyer (a.k.a, the majority) convenience is key.
 
Because of it's price, if PS4 would not be compatible with previous game consoles, then you won't have to spend money on extra unnecessary gpu's on-board new system. Thanks to this you could spend that money on something more necessary.

This is for this first time in history since ps1 very smart move by sony. You don't have to buy ps4 to play ps3 games or ps2 or ps1. You can buy used second hand cheaper system. 👍 Or if you already had any of those you don't have to sell those because you buying system that can only emulate.

PS2 and PS1 software playback would all be done in software emulation, there is no need for any extra hardware just as there isn't in later PS3s that already do that.

As for your second paragraph you can already do that now (Buy a cheap PS1 or PS2) so I don't follow your point.
 
What if instead of building in PS1, 2 & 3 backwards compatability they use thier acquisition of that game streaming company to offer these games streamed and PS4 abd Vita has access, so playstation plus subscribers have access to these and if you own the title you can pay a small fee to stream them to the PS4 if your not a plus subscriber.
 
The million dollar question, before all of this talk of backwards compatibility, is will the obis be able to play used games. That's the main thing i'm worried about. As a consumer, it'll also affect whether I decide to get a launch PS4 or holding off for later revisions.

Here's to hoping that the PS4/Orbis does indeed play used games and the forecast of it not going to is not true.
If it will not work with used games I'm 1000% sure I will not buy it no matter how good it is.

Sony and Microsoft need to realize Steam store offer the users too convenient special offers and it's gaining market segments everyday. PC also take advantage of some serious killer applications like Assetto Corsa and rFactor 2. Not too mention pCars will looks considerably better on a proper PC.
 
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