POLL: Do You Like The <1,000,000 Cr. Gift Restriction?
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- machate-man
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(Just had to rip a page from forza, but ultimately, that is a better solution)
Didn't see above post, but same idea.
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FanBoy08
Alas, the better idea:tup:
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- Canada
When you're due a Peugeot 905 on the exact same day of the update, your verdict would be obvious, wouldn't it? GT5 is for the most part being put to rest on my part. I'll probably come back to it soon, though.
Ouch! I thought the restriction was temporary lifted according to:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=186323
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- djpuk54
I don't understand why there is not a trading system in place like in Fifa 11 Ultimate Team.
You can trade and bid on items that have been put up for sale by the owner. I'll be the first to admit it's not perfect but it adds something to the game. Instead of ultimate team it would be your Ultimate Garage! I know it won't appeal to everyone but it works and is fun. The one downside I suppose is that it is an add on and not part of the original game.
You can trade and bid on items that have been put up for sale by the owner. I'll be the first to admit it's not perfect but it adds something to the game. Instead of ultimate team it would be your Ultimate Garage! I know it won't appeal to everyone but it works and is fun. The one downside I suppose is that it is an add on and not part of the original game.
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- cH3wY_90
How does duplicating cars make up for a lack of events??? Its completely unrealated.
I dont like that I now cant GIFT my friends cars over 1mil but they can borrow instead. However I do like the fact that this update means that people cannot use the GIFTING system to TRADE and DUPLICATE.
You didnt have trading in GT4 and people still got all cars. It just means that the elites who do get +1000 cars are actually elite, bar the dupers that have already got the majority.
I dont like that I now cant GIFT my friends cars over 1mil but they can borrow instead. However I do like the fact that this update means that people cannot use the GIFTING system to TRADE and DUPLICATE.
You didnt have trading in GT4 and people still got all cars. It just means that the elites who do get +1000 cars are actually elite, bar the dupers that have already got the majority.
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- Wasilla, AK
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- incredible-bulk
Not to quote anybody specific, but to say the only reason people duped is because its not possible to earn the credits required within a reasonable time frame is pony. Can someone define what a reasonable time frame is? Ive had the game since Christmas, I work full time and I also have a nagging girl friend that sometimes prevents me hogging the tv. I am already level 40 in a-spec and b-spec, 60 license golds and 900 odd cars which I have either won or bought. Im a little disappointed its happened this fast and there's people out there who are moaning that it takes too long? GT is NOT a game that you should be able to complete in a weekend, it never has been and it never should be.
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- Wasilla, AK
So because you can do that, everyone else automatically can and therefore duping is cheating?
Doesn't work.
I preordered the game and I'm only in the low 20s A-spec and level 1 B-spec. I usually only get to play on weekends. I can poach Seasonals for money, but that can only keep you going for so long. I could really put trading to good use now.
Doesn't work.
I preordered the game and I'm only in the low 20s A-spec and level 1 B-spec. I usually only get to play on weekends. I can poach Seasonals for money, but that can only keep you going for so long. I could really put trading to good use now.
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- Field_of_Hats
Restricting the gift feature is an astonishingly poor idea. No, I do not like it.
I have not even used the gift function, myself, but I greatly appreciate what it adds to Gran Turismo. Being able access rare cars without waiting for them to show up at random in the used-car dealership is basically a good thing, as is the ability to give expensive cars to newer players to increase their interest in the game. The truth is that there are countless ways to use this feature, which is evidenced by the thriving Marketplace sub-forum on this very site.
Of course, this update was probably not intended to impact those uses of the gift feature; it was intended to hinder the practice of duplicating cars. Many of you in this forum seem to think this is a noble purpose, possibly even enough so that it makes up for the damage done to more "legitimate" gifting and trading practices.
I do not understand how anyone can think this way. I do not understand it at all.
This is a video game we are talking about. It is a very good game, with some impressive immersive qualities, and it is also incredibly challenging to master. I can certainly relate to the sense of accomplishment you get when you successfully complete a difficult event, perfect a tune for your favorite car, or finally get ahold of a vehicle you've been lusting after since you saw it in the opening movie. I do understand these feelings, but GT5 is still a game, and whether someone else chooses to access its content in the same manner as I do, or not, simply doesn't concern me in the slightest.
The first Group C car I bought was a used Jaguar XJR-9, when it was in the Online Dealership. I didn't have enough credits left to refresh the engine or chassis, but it was still the fastest car I had yet driven, and it let me win the GT World Championship. That was a few weeks ago. Since then, I've used the Jag to win Like the Wind, which earned me a Minolta 88C-V, but I haven't added any more Group C racers to my garage. I also have yet to get an FGT. I wasn't able to participate in the Ferrari F1 Seasonal events, either. Despite playing GT5 for several hours at a time, three or four days a week, I haven't been able to save up enough credits to buy any more cars close to the five million mark. More than in any previous GT game, GT5 makes it very difficult to earn enough credits to purchase the fastest cars.
Is this a good thing? I have been able to fill my garage with plenty of less-expensive vehicles that are great fun to race, so not having the fastest cars has yet to really impede my personal enjoyment of the game. However, I'm not sure when I'll get around to completing the Historic Racing Car Cup. I had kind of planned on trading for a 2J at some point (it's one of my favorite cars available in GT5, after all), but now I can't do that. I suppose I'll max-out a Z06 Racecar, and then restart each race multiple times in order to get a beatable line-up...
Anyway, my point is that, although I understand where some of you are coming from regarding your individual achievements in GT5, and how much they mean to you, I also know that the game's design requires a nearly-unreasonable commitment of both time and effort in order to unlock the majority of its content. Thus, it is only natural that clever users have discovered ways to "cheat" or short-cut this design, through things such as the "birthday glitch" and duplicating cars using multiple accounts.
This fact does absolutely nothing to diminish the achievements of those of us who have not used these tricks. All it means is that a greater number of people can play more of what GT5 has to offer - something that is beneficial to both Polyphony Digital and the game's userbase. There is no drawback to this, at all.
I suppose the gift restriction is at least partially a response to community outcry. There have been plenty of people moaning about "evil dupers" and how they "cheapen" the game. Make no mistake, though, making GT5 less accessible will only limit the growth of its community, and that, in turn, will ultimately impact the long-term support of the game, if not the health of Polyphony Digital.
In other words, what hurts one player, hurts us all. Think about that before you worry about how other people are playing their games.
EDIT: Apparently, the restriction has been lifted? Even if this is only temporary, at least it will help minimize the amount of people screwed because they loaned out cars prior to the update, which was a pretty appalling side-effect.
Here's hoping that, instead, Polyphony has already come to the realization that the gift restriction is simply a bad idea.
I have not even used the gift function, myself, but I greatly appreciate what it adds to Gran Turismo. Being able access rare cars without waiting for them to show up at random in the used-car dealership is basically a good thing, as is the ability to give expensive cars to newer players to increase their interest in the game. The truth is that there are countless ways to use this feature, which is evidenced by the thriving Marketplace sub-forum on this very site.
Of course, this update was probably not intended to impact those uses of the gift feature; it was intended to hinder the practice of duplicating cars. Many of you in this forum seem to think this is a noble purpose, possibly even enough so that it makes up for the damage done to more "legitimate" gifting and trading practices.
I do not understand how anyone can think this way. I do not understand it at all.
This is a video game we are talking about. It is a very good game, with some impressive immersive qualities, and it is also incredibly challenging to master. I can certainly relate to the sense of accomplishment you get when you successfully complete a difficult event, perfect a tune for your favorite car, or finally get ahold of a vehicle you've been lusting after since you saw it in the opening movie. I do understand these feelings, but GT5 is still a game, and whether someone else chooses to access its content in the same manner as I do, or not, simply doesn't concern me in the slightest.
The first Group C car I bought was a used Jaguar XJR-9, when it was in the Online Dealership. I didn't have enough credits left to refresh the engine or chassis, but it was still the fastest car I had yet driven, and it let me win the GT World Championship. That was a few weeks ago. Since then, I've used the Jag to win Like the Wind, which earned me a Minolta 88C-V, but I haven't added any more Group C racers to my garage. I also have yet to get an FGT. I wasn't able to participate in the Ferrari F1 Seasonal events, either. Despite playing GT5 for several hours at a time, three or four days a week, I haven't been able to save up enough credits to buy any more cars close to the five million mark. More than in any previous GT game, GT5 makes it very difficult to earn enough credits to purchase the fastest cars.
Is this a good thing? I have been able to fill my garage with plenty of less-expensive vehicles that are great fun to race, so not having the fastest cars has yet to really impede my personal enjoyment of the game. However, I'm not sure when I'll get around to completing the Historic Racing Car Cup. I had kind of planned on trading for a 2J at some point (it's one of my favorite cars available in GT5, after all), but now I can't do that. I suppose I'll max-out a Z06 Racecar, and then restart each race multiple times in order to get a beatable line-up...
Anyway, my point is that, although I understand where some of you are coming from regarding your individual achievements in GT5, and how much they mean to you, I also know that the game's design requires a nearly-unreasonable commitment of both time and effort in order to unlock the majority of its content. Thus, it is only natural that clever users have discovered ways to "cheat" or short-cut this design, through things such as the "birthday glitch" and duplicating cars using multiple accounts.
This fact does absolutely nothing to diminish the achievements of those of us who have not used these tricks. All it means is that a greater number of people can play more of what GT5 has to offer - something that is beneficial to both Polyphony Digital and the game's userbase. There is no drawback to this, at all.
I suppose the gift restriction is at least partially a response to community outcry. There have been plenty of people moaning about "evil dupers" and how they "cheapen" the game. Make no mistake, though, making GT5 less accessible will only limit the growth of its community, and that, in turn, will ultimately impact the long-term support of the game, if not the health of Polyphony Digital.
In other words, what hurts one player, hurts us all. Think about that before you worry about how other people are playing their games.
EDIT: Apparently, the restriction has been lifted? Even if this is only temporary, at least it will help minimize the amount of people screwed because they loaned out cars prior to the update, which was a pretty appalling side-effect.
Here's hoping that, instead, Polyphony has already come to the realization that the gift restriction is simply a bad idea.
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- Wasilla, AK
This... maybe. I can think of three possible reasons for this debacle:
1. Some people blew the duping "issue" out of proportion and made PD think they had to do something. As ridiculous as it sounds, jealousy may or may not have been a factor here.
2. PD has realized there are too many unskilled/malicious players abusing the X2010 online, and needed a quick fix. If this is the case, we may well see a return to pre-1.07 trading mechanics once a better solution has been coded and implemented.
3. PD is trying to protect the gullible from overpriced eBay auctions. If this is true, we're probably stuck with 1 car/1 PS3/1 day until they can get eBay to take down the offending auctions.
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- incredible-bulk
Im not saying everyone can, im saying it CAN be done. Yes duping is nothing but cheating, no way of trying to gloss over that fact will change that.
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- Mercenary_Wez/jabtay
Normal eh? If by normal, you mean tedious brain numbing grinding...I would rather be abnormal in my game play. There are some of us that actually have lives.
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- Wasilla, AK
Fine then. If duping is wrong, I don't want to be right.
As for your earlier comment about how long you've had the game, I preordered the Collector's Edition.
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- Field_of_Hats
This is what I assumed Polyphony was responding to. Again, I have a difficult time fully understanding this attitude. At its base is a profound resentment towards people who have reaped "rewards" (as in, GT5 content) by using methods deemed "easier" than those utilized by others. It's as if people feel the practice of duping has robbed them of some kind of recognition within the community. And yes, it is ridiculous.
These are interesting alternatives that I hadn't considered.
I'm not sure if the gift restriction makes any sense as a way to control X2010s, since that is one of the easiest of the expensive cars to get. Besides that, if people are abusing any car online, then there exists a problem either with the online restriction settings, or the car itself, and limiting access to that car can only further imbalance things.
The eBay issue is a different story, and I admit that I know little about it. Are people bidding real money on duplicated cars? If so, then the dupers are essentially selling the service of... duping, which sounds silly but not exactly wrong. Is there something more to it than that?
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- Spartan0189
I don't have a problem with it, I've already collected most of the cars I wanted that are 1 million credits and above.
I don't see why people are complaining about this, at least they're trying to do something with the problem of duping expensive cars. Although, I wouldn't mind if the cap was just a bit higher..
I don't see why people are complaining about this, at least they're trying to do something with the problem of duping expensive cars. Although, I wouldn't mind if the cap was just a bit higher..
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- gtp_iLex
Back in the day when people were angry about not being able to copy the save file (remember... those were the days), people mentioned cloud based saving.
This would be the solution to all the trouble. It would ban the duping of cars, but would still make it possible to trade.
They could make a system where there is a copy protected save on your PS3 (to allow offline play) that backs up to the servers of PD every time you log in.
Again, I am not opposed to duping, but as it is a glitch I am also not opposed to 'fixing' it.
The patchwork solutions they come up with now are just crippling the game in a way duping never did.
edit: Maybe this has been mentioned in this thread. I have read most of it, but certainly not all.
This would be the solution to all the trouble. It would ban the duping of cars, but would still make it possible to trade.
They could make a system where there is a copy protected save on your PS3 (to allow offline play) that backs up to the servers of PD every time you log in.
Again, I am not opposed to duping, but as it is a glitch I am also not opposed to 'fixing' it.
The patchwork solutions they come up with now are just crippling the game in a way duping never did.
edit: Maybe this has been mentioned in this thread. I have read most of it, but certainly not all.
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- Pasadena, MD
- Minty TS
IN MY OPINION (notice how it's bolded and capitalized), I think that Update 1.07 is there to hurt the dupers, and they deserve it. Unfortunately, like you said, the majority of traders are legit, and they too are being punished for the dupers' actions.
I suppose this is PD's (temporary) way of stopping the dupers. Hopefully, PD will come up with a better solution for them. I've already read a couple of great solutions in the forums that won't affect the legit traders in any way!
Read the last line of my post. I was saying that they screwed over the majority of players to punish the minority. This type of thinking needs to change if PD want's to keep it's fans. And I mean the real fans, not the "PD is perfect and infallible and anyone who disagrees is a stupid whiny fanboy" fans.
This isn't a huge deal to me and I will still enjoy the game, but trading was a huge part of the game for some people.
What im annoyed about is that people have been doing this for months, and i only discovered it last week, now its blocked. therefore the hardcore serial cheaters have had an advantage and now they get to keep it.
Im not interested in duping cars at all, but it would be nice to buy that expensive car ive worked so hard to save up for and keep my money, because im sure as hell not going to save up 20million again, especially since im 95% complete and bored of all the events(but thats another matter).
As i have heard others mention before now i will never have the chance to drive a Ferrari 330 or Ford Mark IV. A prime example is the Ferrari F1 cars, what is the point on spending 12mill on a car you cant race and is worse than the 5mill F1 car you bought ages ago. Though i would still like to give it a spin, guess i never will now.
I am quickly losing interest in GT5. Whens the next NFS:Shift out?, they wont make all these mistakes.
I firmly believe that the only way to get them pay attention is to stop playing. Maybe that will burst their little bubble theyve been living in for 5 years, AND WE MIGHT GET A BETTER GT6.
I dont care how technical it is, i just wont it to be 1.playable and 2.challenging but not tedious.
and also i dont want to see my car 3 times before i buy it, once will do. i dont need to see it being washed either.
and scrap all the concept cars too, and the the swimwagon, it was never made to be raced and probably never has been.
i only came on to post a short message. oooops, got carried away.
anyway new CoD maps out soon, a month after the xbox ggggrrrrrrrr.
>DopeD slaps Bill Gates around a bit with a large trout.
Im not interested in duping cars at all, but it would be nice to buy that expensive car ive worked so hard to save up for and keep my money, because im sure as hell not going to save up 20million again, especially since im 95% complete and bored of all the events(but thats another matter).
As i have heard others mention before now i will never have the chance to drive a Ferrari 330 or Ford Mark IV. A prime example is the Ferrari F1 cars, what is the point on spending 12mill on a car you cant race and is worse than the 5mill F1 car you bought ages ago. Though i would still like to give it a spin, guess i never will now.
I am quickly losing interest in GT5. Whens the next NFS:Shift out?, they wont make all these mistakes.
I firmly believe that the only way to get them pay attention is to stop playing. Maybe that will burst their little bubble theyve been living in for 5 years, AND WE MIGHT GET A BETTER GT6.
I dont care how technical it is, i just wont it to be 1.playable and 2.challenging but not tedious.
and also i dont want to see my car 3 times before i buy it, once will do. i dont need to see it being washed either.
and scrap all the concept cars too, and the the swimwagon, it was never made to be raced and probably never has been.
i only came on to post a short message. oooops, got carried away.
anyway new CoD maps out soon, a month after the xbox ggggrrrrrrrr.
>DopeD slaps Bill Gates around a bit with a large trout.
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- Dallas, TX
I find it a good idea. Since, if you trade a multi-million dollar car, then the trader might not give you your share of the trade. due to the fact that they are trouble makers.
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- cowabungacorey
You can't even SELL anything more than 500K that's not a race car. HOW EVEN MORE USELESS IS THIS RULE!!
I hope GT6 is this bad so it can put a nail in the coffin for me and GT
I hope GT6 is this bad so it can put a nail in the coffin for me and GT
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- Minty TS
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Version 3.60 of the PS3 firmware is supposed to bring in Cloud based saving with PlayStation Plus, this will solve all the problems. Like the previous posters said, this is just a temporary fix most likely.
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- Pasadena, MD
- Minty TS
I could understand limiting prize cars or special edition cars because you can win those. But there shouldn't be a limit on what I can do with a car that I've payed 5M credits for.
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- The Hague
- Duman079
Getting all cars with this limit ?
1 No way you can get every car without trading. If you do want the trophy buy 1000 midgets.
2 Is there now a goal in this game? I mean this : I cant get the Audi R10 with a trade... Wait , I am going to do a 24 H endurance to get the R10 Race Car ! ( Hell no )
I got all expensive cars, so I dont really care. But this doesnt make any sence. Not everyone has the time to do this. I voted as a ''like'' for myself, but it isnt fair for the other people.
1 No way you can get every car without trading. If you do want the trophy buy 1000 midgets.
2 Is there now a goal in this game? I mean this : I cant get the Audi R10 with a trade... Wait , I am going to do a 24 H endurance to get the R10 Race Car ! ( Hell no )
I got all expensive cars, so I dont really care. But this doesnt make any sence. Not everyone has the time to do this. I voted as a ''like'' for myself, but it isnt fair for the other people.
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