[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016

The party nominees are named. Now who do you support?


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The more layers, barriers and delays between the people and the rulers, the better it is. :rolleyes:

We always knew democracy was a dangerous problem; given the time, the people will elect fascists, despots and tyrants. So people have to be protected from themselves and democracy strictly limited to an appearance or semblance of itself.

Is that an inception of sarcarms....

I sure hope so...


Thanks to all of you who have given me so leads on my research...
 
Is that an inception of sarcarms....

I sure hope so...


Thanks to all of you who have given me so leads on my research...
Yeah, it's meant to be funny - but with a strong germ of truth. Democracy is a potentially good form of government if the people make good decisions. But a majority can quickly become a tyranny if the rights of minorities are disrespected.
 
Is there any history of tournament style primaries being held? As in each candidate has to gain a majority vote, rather than merely a plurality, in order to move on to the next round? The GOP could very well end up being incredibly unrepresentative. Current polls put Trump at 18%, which would allow him to win the nomination if the primary was today. With 18% of the vote. That would indicate more than 80% of voters would not be in support of him, yet he would be the candidate.

At this point, with this many candidates, wouldn't it make sense to do a "March Madness" type of bracketed tournmanet system? Each candidate faces off against exactly one other candidate per round. If they gain the majority, they move onto the next round. This is the only way I can see such an enormous field producing an actually representative candidate.
 
Is there any history of tournament style primaries being held? As in each candidate has to gain a majority vote, rather than merely a plurality, in order to move on to the next round? The GOP could very well end up being incredibly unrepresentative. Current polls put Trump at 18%, which would allow him to win the nomination if the primary was today. With 18% of the vote. That would indicate more than 80% of voters would not be in support of him, yet he would be the candidate.

At this point, with this many candidates, wouldn't it make sense to do a "March Madness" type of bracketed tournmanet system? Each candidate faces off against exactly one other candidate per round. If they gain the majority, they move onto the next round. This is the only way I can see such an enormous field producing an actually representative candidate.
That is what essentially what the primary system is. You build your reputation (or expound upon it) in states like Iowa, and New Hampshire, but when Super Tuesday comes around, about half of the field is taken out (if not the nominee is named outright) largely because they don't have the resources to maintain a national presence. In a way, it makes the system a bit unfair because only a handful of states would have a direct impact in naming the nominee, but on the other hand, in most of those states, a majority is required to win the primary/caucus in that state. So while it is true that on a national level today that Trump would win the nomination, the real playing field is at the state level. The national polls just serve as who is going to get a bulls-eye painted on their backs this week.
 
That is what essentially what the primary system is. You build your reputation (or expound upon it) in states like Iowa, and New Hampshire, but when Super Tuesday comes around, about half of the field is taken out (if not the nominee is named outright) largely because they don't have the resources to maintain a national presence. In a way, it makes the system a bit unfair because only a handful of states would have a direct impact in naming the nominee, but on the other hand, in most of those states, a majority is required to win the primary/caucus in that state. So while it is true that on a national level today that Trump would win the nomination, the real playing field is at the state level. The national polls just serve as who is going to get a bulls-eye painted on their backs this week.

I would argue that the importance of Iowa and New Hampshire further exacerbates the problem of un-representational primaries. While I respect Iowanas and New Hampshireman, I don't necessarily have the same views as them. If there party was 3 or 4 candidates, I don't think it would be a big deal. But with more than 20 and no signs of any of them giving up the primary could be pretty nasty.

I guess it doesn't much matter since all of the candidates are **** anyways...
 
I would argue that the importance of Iowa and New Hampshire further exacerbates the problem of un-representational primaries. While I respect Iowanas and New Hampshireman, I don't necessarily have the same views as them. If there party was 3 or 4 candidates, I don't think it would be a big deal. But with more than 20 and no signs of any of them giving up the primary could be pretty nasty.

I guess it doesn't much matter since all of the candidates are **** anyways...
Agreed. Even I find myself more in favor of a single primary date, set somewhere in May, for the entire country. That way we know who our two nominees will be and give them plenty of time to ruin each others' reputations.
 
Current polls put Trump at 18%, which would allow him to win the nomination if the primary was today. With 18% of the vote. That would indicate more than 80% of voters would not be in support of him, yet he would be the candidate.

At this point, with this many candidates, wouldn't it make sense to do a "March Madness" type of bracketed tournmanet system? Each candidate faces off against exactly one other candidate per round. If they gain the majority, they move onto the next round. This is the only way I can see such an enormous field producing an actually representative candidate.
That's 18% in a huge field. In a field of 3, that's a lousy number. In a field of 20, 18% is huge.
 
Is there any history of tournament style primaries being held? As in each candidate has to gain a majority vote, rather than merely a plurality, in order to move on to the next round? The GOP could very well end up being incredibly unrepresentative. Current polls put Trump at 18%, which would allow him to win the nomination if the primary was today. With 18% of the vote. That would indicate more than 80% of voters would not be in support of him, yet he would be the candidate.

At this point, with this many candidates, wouldn't it make sense to do a "March Madness" type of bracketed tournmanet system? Each candidate faces off against exactly one other candidate per round. If they gain the majority, they move onto the next round. This is the only way I can see such an enormous field producing an actually representative candidate.
That's what primaries are for. Candidates will drop out before the important election stuff happens. There won't be nearly 2 dozen candidates, there will be a handful.
 
That's 18% in a huge field. In a field of 3, that's a lousy number. In a field of 20, 18% is huge.
At this stage, it is really quite astonishing... and that share is only likely to increase as the also-rans drop out, which they will sooner or later - sooner if they have any sense. However, I can't see Trump attracting the endorsement of many other candidates (and hence a large chunk of their supporters) and I can see Bush, Walker and maybe one other candidate emerging as 'serious' candidates.

But the Trump phenomenon must be both exasperating and embarrassing to alot of Republicans, and his presence in the race is likely to wreck the chances of many 'fresher' candidates. It will also probably mean that the best chance to win the GOP nomination lies with one candidate that the party will get behind (my guess is Bush).
 
Don't forget, Trump has threatened to run as a 3rd party candidate should he decide the GOP is treating him unfairly. That would pretty much guarantee a Democrat win, so it's in the interest of the GOP to treat Trump with kid gloves.
 
At this stage, it is really quite astonishing... and that share is only likely to increase as the also-rans drop out, which they will sooner or later - sooner if they have any sense. However, I can't see Trump attracting the endorsement of many other candidates (and hence a large chunk of their supporters) and I can see Bush, Walker and maybe one other candidate emerging as 'serious' candidates.

But the Trump phenomenon must be both exasperating and embarrassing to alot of Republicans, and his presence in the race is likely to wreck the chances of many 'fresher' candidates. It will also probably mean that the best chance to win the GOP nomination lies with one candidate that the party will get behind (my guess is Bush).

Just when you thought the Republican base was going to start leaning more toward Rand and more libertarian, anti-Obama ideas... Here comes Trump to thrust the party straight into fascism. Everyone I talk to now is a Trumpet, sounding off on all of his blowhard fascist opinions. Must've been so easy for the Nazis to get elected. The only thing more baffling is how popular Bernie Sanders actually is. I can't believe how stupid people are.
 
Just when you thought the Republican base was going to start leaning more toward Rand and more libertarian, anti-Obama ideas... Here comes Trump to thrust the party straight into fascism. Everyone I talk to now is a Trumpet, sounding off on all of his blowhard fascist opinions. Must've been so easy for the Nazis to get elected. The only thing more baffling is how popular Bernie Sanders actually is. I can't believe how stupid people are.
What are the fascist ideas Trump is promoting?
 
The only thing more baffling is how popular Bernie Sanders actually is. I can't believe how stupid people are.
There is some overlap between Sanders and Trump. Both denounce the trade deals that deindustrialized America and shipped millions of jobs off to Mexico, Asia and China.
 
There is some overlap between Sanders and Trump. Both denounce the trade deals that deindustrialized America and shipped millions of jobs off to Mexico, Asia and China.

So neither of them understands economics. Politicians adopting protectionist counterproductive economic policies is nothing new.
 
So neither of them understands economics. Politicians adopting protectionist counterproductive economic policies is nothing new.
I would say that Trump is a bit more qualified to talk economics than Sanders. Just a bit*.

*Fun Fact, Trump made his money from real estate, and not anything actually useful to the economy, so at this point, Trump is really blowing smoke based off his qualifications.
 
*Fun Fact, Trump made his money from real estate, and not anything actually useful to the economy, so at this point, Trump is really blowing smoke based off his qualifications.

I thought he'd made his money in property? If so then that's integral to an economy. Not sure why it might be fun though...
 
I thought he'd made his money in property? If so then that's integral to an economy. Not sure why it might be fun though...
Same thing. However, where I am pegging Mr. Hypocrite Trump here is because he claims that he can produce jobs across the entire economy. A noble idea, fair enough, but real estate/property is a funny business as it never produces anything that you could actually use - a tangible item. Jobs, to an extent, are tangible because you earn a wage at the end of the day to use on what you (or other people) produce.

One might argue that he is indeed producing jobs at his hotels, golf courses and what have you, but that isn't really small business minded. If Trump really is going to produce jobs, he should start there and trickle up.
 
Just when you thought the Republican base was going to start leaning more toward Rand and more libertarian, anti-Obama ideas... Here comes Trump to thrust the party straight into fascism. Everyone I talk to now is a Trumpet, sounding off on all of his blowhard fascist opinions. Must've been so easy for the Nazis to get elected. The only thing more baffling is how popular Bernie Sanders actually is. I can't believe how stupid people are.

I, for one, am looking forward to Lenin v2.0 vs Mussolini v2.0. It's a stunning disaster.
 
I thought he'd made his money in property? If so then that's integral to an economy. Not sure why it might be fun though...

Yeah, he made his money on ripping people off by eminent domain through the government. Fascist.

Bernie Sanders is no different in his philosophy. They're both nativist nationalists. Bernie's Vox interview was pretty telling. He is so out of touch with reality. It's unbelievable.

Donald Trump chases his ambitions satisfy his personal ego. Bernie Sanders wants to force socialist ambitions onto the country to satisfy his ideological ego.


Just lower my god damn taxes. We don't need a ****ing despot in the white house.
 
Ban the sale of all non-hunting firearms, eh? Guess the police are supposed to throw rocks now.

As for Cuban,

“I don’t care what his actual positions are,” Cuban wrote. “I don’t care if he says the wrong thing. He says what’s on his mind. He gives honest answers rather than prepared answers. This is more important than anything any candidate has done in years.”

Yes, that is why fascism is dangerous. My biggest fear with the Obama cult of personality is that we would have the GOP version of the same thing. The backlash will result in either the country being more libertarian with the right kind of leadership, or the country being more fascist with a still greater demagogue/personality/blowhard taking over. Bill O'Reilly types.
 
In an aftereffect of the Louisiana shooting, Bernie Sanders now wants to ban all "self-defense" guns.

http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/...anders-wants-to-ban-all-self-defense-firearms

Should instantly disqualify him from any job in government policy. If you don't follow the supreme court closely enough to be familiar with DC vs. Heller, or don't understand the judicial system enough to understand the significance of that ruling, you don't get to hold office. Anyone who misunderstands US government this significantly is not qualified for the job.
 
On what grounds? That he's run four different companies into bankruptcy?
Had you read my post correctly, you would have known that Trump made his millions in the private sector, not public like Sanders did. Yeah, he bankurpted 4 companies into the ground in the process, but that is what happens when a big business buys out a small business, it would be doomed to failure on one small misstep (Note: If you don't believe me, read the whole nasty history of EA and their unreasonable expectations. Then you will see why their back-to-back Golden Poo awards were justified.)

Oh, by the way, @Omnis, Cuban didn't say what he said as an endorsement of Trump. Cuban isn't endorsing anyone at this point in the game.
 
Had you read my post correctly, you would have known that Trump made his millions in the private sector, not public like Sanders did.

What does that have to do with anything? He still bankrupted four companies. No matter the circumstances, that's hardly a sterling résumé.

(Note: If you don't believe me, read the whole nasty history of EA and their unreasonable expectations. Then you will see why their back-to-back Golden Poo awards were justified.)

EA never went bankrupt. Which leaves me asking again, what does that have to do with anything?
 
What does that have to do with anything? He still bankrupted four companies. No matter the circumstances, that's hardly a sterling résumé.




EA never went bankrupt. Which leaves me asking again, what does that have to do with anything?
Plenty. Businesses fail all the time in the private sector for all sorts of different reasons. Government doesn't step in and declare that business was too big to fail and provide bailout money at tax payer expense if you are truly in the private sector. I can name a handful of business that have received federal funds and yet went bankrupt anyways.

As for EA, the example cited in my previous post, I never said that EA went bankrupt. Their business is booming to be quite honest, but their habit of buying up small developers, putting up roadblocks for said developers when developing their games, and subsequently breaking said developers up when sales of their games fail to meet absurd expectations is just one comparison on how big businesses treat other businesses when one business buys out another. It happens every day.

[Note: I am including the EA history video, as told by Jim Sterling, if you want to watch EA's bad habits in less than 10 minutes.]

 
Businesses fail all the time in the private sector for all sorts of different reasons.

Sure. And in most cases, those failures can be traced back to poor decision-making by the people running the company. People like Trump.

I'm still waiting for even the slightest reason why Trump should be regarded as an expert on economics, as you've suggested he is. I'd think we should look to folks who've run businesses into places other than bankruptcy.
 
I'm still waiting for even the slightest reason why Trump should be regarded as an expert on economics, as you've suggested he is. I'd think we should look to folks who've run businesses into places other than bankruptcy.

Never said he was. All I was saying is that Trump understood the benefits, and earned his money from, the private sector. Compared to Bernie Sanders, who apparently has little experience in that (a 90% top bracket income tax, are you kidding me,) Trump is a saint compared to him.

No, I'm not calling either of those two men an expert in the economy by any means because there is really someone better at it, Rick Perry and/or Scott Walker (I mean take your pick here).

[If you really think about it, Texas has shared a surplus during Perry's term as governor, something that may stretch into the first few years into Abbott's term. As for Scott Walker, by removing the collective barging rights of teachers in his state, he enjoyed the first surplus in Wisconsin's recent memory year over year, thus being able to fight off a recall bid.]
 
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