[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016

The party nominees are named. Now who do you support?

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TenEightyOne
Ex-Judge Napolitano often makes for interesting listening but it wouldn't surprise me to find that Fox are the only people carrying this story.
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Most conservative media is still carrying the story. The Blaze in particular broke the story that the FBI was interviewing Clinton top aids and Clinton herself.
 
Sanji Himura
Most conservative media is still carrying the story. The Blaze in particular broke the story that the FBI was interviewing Clinton top aids and Clinton herself.
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Fair enough, like @Dotini I couldn't see it elsewhere. Lots on "Guccifer", nothing oabout the Russians though.
 
I have decided that I want Donald Trump to win.

He's a horrifying human being who will do nothing but act like a total arsequiche and say mean-spirited things about everyone but...

* He'll be constitutionally limited from doing anything too stupid
* He'll invoke a dramatic change in voter behaviour to ensure no-one like that can get in ever again
* He'll instantly reveal everything in the Book of Secrets and we'll finally learn who killed JFK and whether there's any aliens

Whereas Hillary is just awful.
 
Famine
I have decided that I want Donald Trump to win.

He's a horrifying human being who will do nothing but act like a total arsequiche and say mean-spirited things about everyone but...

* He'll be constitutionally limited from doing anything too stupid
* He'll invoke a dramatic change in voter behaviour to ensure no-one like that can get in ever again
* He'll instantly reveal everything in the Book of Secrets and we'll finally learn who killed JFK and whether there's any aliens

Whereas Hillary is just awful.
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The Trump spectacle would be greater. I think Trump would get less done due to too much opposition, and think of the material for comedians.
 
Famine
I have decided that I want Donald Trump to win.

He's a horrifying human being who will do nothing but act like a total arsequiche and say mean-spirited things about everyone but...

* He'll be constitutionally limited from doing anything too stupid
* He'll invoke a dramatic change in voter behaviour to ensure no-one like that can get in ever again
* He'll instantly reveal everything in the Book of Secrets and we'll finally learn who killed JFK and whether there's any aliens

Whereas Hillary is just awful.
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That's of course if we actually enforce the Constitution. So far the US's batting average on that in modern times is fairly weak.
 
Danoff
It is weird to me that people vote for people they don't like or don't think would be good in the position they're voting for them to be in. The false dilemma, that you must pick from the top two, is impressively good at getting people to choose something they don't want. This is the same technique you use on a toddler. She doesn't want to wear a bib but if you offer the red bib or the blue bib she picks one and is content. Are adults really that easily duped? Apparently so.
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The problem is that there's no very strong third-party candidate. It's not from a lack of trying, it's because they've gotten infinitesimal mainstream and second-stream press. At that point, the door is thrown a bit more open to more than the Libertarian Party. There's going to be a dispersal effect where some folks are going to diffuse their votes to what ever third-party catches their eye...wonderful in theory towards the roots of our democratic process, but if the votes scatter towards too many outliers, there's not going to be much change for the future.

I don't even think most voters are stupid, per se. They probably see their party leaders as having lots of faults, ambivalence in many less-exciting policies, can only hope certain ideas come to fruition after dealing with Congress, and probably winnow down their choices based on a handful of tiny planks they've chosen as important to them.

What happens with our two-party system is that people feel forced into Game Theory or a Prisoner's Dilemma; and when faced with just a handful of sub-optimal choices, humans tend to choose the option which potentially does the lesser of two harms. And I think adults tend to realize that life doesn't always let you pick out anything from the store, you usually have a handful of sub-optimal choices, and one makes the best opportunity out of it.

It's this kind of thing which makes me totally understand (even if I don't agree with) how someone just votes on whatever little thing they promise or how they said something silly or wore that Cheesehead hat to get some support. There's always been a lot of ambivalent voters that see politics as an imperfect system of typically minor irritations, with voting being as glamorous as cleaning one's bathroom...you have to do it even though you don't really want to.
 
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dylansan
FBI Director James Comey says it's not a "security inquiry", it's an investigation. Also says he prefers to do the job well rather than quickly.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/hillary-clinton-email-investigation-fbi-james-comey-223071

I refuse to get my hopes up, but I really hope this isn't all for nothing.
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As several people have said (including me, I think), where there's a claim there has to be an investigation. The existence of an investigation proves nothing.

She did it though. :D
 
I've seen so much analysis on reddit (yeah, I know), and at this point I just can't fathom that she hasn't broken the law. And that's just based on what's publicly available.

I won't pretend I know anything for sure, but I'll just say that if she really didn't do anything wrong, then it's a strange decision to keep changing her story, using phrases like "nothing marked classified" or "sent or received by me". That stuff might satisfy the average person but it's not like the FBI isn't going to push harder.
 
OP Update: New Electoral College Map (this time from Real Clear Politics) is uploaded, and we have our first generic House poll available. That particular poll will be updated weekly on Friday (with the exception of this week obviously) as with all of the other polling.
 
Now up to 100 dollars in bets with friends that Trump beats Hillary or Bernie. I think in the end he will beat her rather easily.
 
Johnnypenso
I don't have to like or support Hillary to be a Democrat and simply go along with, and go through the motions of supporting her simply because I see Trump as an unacceptable alternative. Of course you can vote for whomever you choose, but I don't think most people feel or act that way. I think they vote along party lines and love or hate the person on your side, they are going to get your vote either way.
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I understand what you are getting at.

We had a ballotage here in Argentina last year. It was either a leftist who many people believed was going to continue with the corruption of the former office (since he belonged to the same party), or a right-wing business man (may I add, friend of Donald Trump and a person who Trump himself said "you should vote, he is a great guy").

It's a ballotage. You don't necessary like either of the two. But you either make a choice, or let other people choose for you, and later on you may regret it. I voted for the guy who ended up losing (the leftist), and now the right-wing business man is tearing us a new one with his excuse of "oh I'm just fixing up the country". Not only did he said right before the elections that he was not going to do the things he is doing right now, but he also said they were lies coming from the leftist guy's party.

Of course, the people who voted him think he is nothing less than a guy, and when the rest of us point out he is doing EVERYTHING they criticized of the former government, their response is, more or less, "the former office did it as well". They just don't give two 🤬 about it. So yes, I'd rather choose between two people I don't like (and hopefully choose the lesser evil) than let some other 🤬 make a decision for me.

Bonus track: one of his colleagues literally said in one interview "when you are running for office, don't say anything about what you are going to, people won't like it, so just talk about something else, and when you are in charge, do whatever you want". That same guy went on to do exactly that in a debate. People didn't care at all, they just voted based on hate for the former government and voted a guy who clearly didn't care about the people who voted him.

So yeah, America. Choose whoever you like, and if you don't like anybody, I urge you to still vote for someone you think is going to keep the country mostly intact for the next election.

EDIT: Oh, and there were around 6 main candidates for that election. The candidates that were at least invited to the televised debate. Anyone of those other 4 candidates that didn't make it to the ballotage were far more deserving of a spot there than the guy who ended up winning. That's democracy for you.
 
Dotini
former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.
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Trump's choices seem to all hurt him in one way or another, I'ld like to see Palin in the news again, I'm a dirty old man :lol:

All of those choices will hurt him in the general election. Christy would be my guess.
 
Dotini
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-vp-shortlist-cruz-palin-152539923.html
Ben Carson says Donald Trump’s list of possible running mates includes some awfully familiar names for anyone who’s followed the 2016 presidential race: New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, Ohio Gov. John Kasich, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio and former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.
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TenEightyOne
That's like a cabinet picked by Satan. Or South Park.
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At least Michele Bachmann isn't on the list.
 
Dotini
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-vp-shortlist-cruz-palin-152539923.html
Ben Carson says Donald Trump’s list of possible running mates includes some awfully familiar names for anyone who’s followed the 2016 presidential race: New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, Ohio Gov. John Kasich, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio and former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.
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There's no way he would be stupid enough to pick Palin. Palin fans would likely support him in the GE anyway.

Cruz & Rubio would be potentially committing political suicide by aligning their fortunes with Trump. If Trump loses, especially if he loses big-time, it will destroy their reputations & their future prospects. This is aside from the fact that he has repeatedly insulted them personally.

Kasich would seem like a decent choice for Trump, as he has "executive experience", as well as foreign policy "experience" (so-called). Can't really see Kasich jumping on the Trump bandwagon though.

Christie would do it - he's got no dignity left to lose anyway. However, two candidates with "New York values" (so-called), doesn't seem like the best idea.
 
Biggles
There's no way he would be stupid enough to pick Palin. Palin fans would likely support him in the GE anyway.

Cruz & Rubio would be potentially committing political suicide by aligning their fortunes with Trump. If Trump loses, especially if he loses big-time, it will destroy their reputations & their future prospects. This is aside from the fact that he has repeatedly insulted them personally.

Kasich would seem like a decent choice for Trump, as he has "executive experience", as well as foreign policy "experience" (so-called). Can't really see Kasich jumping on the Trump bandwagon though.

Christie would do it - he's got no dignity left to lose anyway. However, two candidates with "New York values" (so-called), doesn't seem like the best idea.
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Newt Gingrich is another man supposedly on the list. But I think Chuck Hagel would cover the most bases.
 
TenEightyOne
Never, ever say that about The Big Eggy. :D
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Perhaps Trump considers sex appeal to be a legitimate tool to help appropriate the presidency? The female former governor could conceivably go a long way in reclaiming currently alienated female voters, and those shapely legs make a lot of men entertain warm feelings. But she's such a ditz!
 
Dotini
Perhaps Trump considers sex appeal to be a legitimate tool to help appropriate the presidency? The female former governor could conceivably go a long way in reclaiming currently alienated female voters, and those shapely legs make a lot of men entertain warm feelings. But she's such a ditz!
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Why not go all the way: a former Miss Universe? *

Preferably an Hispanic beauty from a Southern state.





* Question: would being VP of the US represent a step down from being Miss Universe?
 
Biggles
Why not go all the way: a former Miss Universe? *

Preferably an Hispanic beauty from a Southern state.





* Question: would being VP of the US represent a step down from being Miss Universe?
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It would certainly make the question/answer section more interesting.

"If called upon to serve as Vice President of the United States, how would you go about enacting your objective of world peace?"
"I would give kids maps including the Iraq".
 
Someone on Fox News channel a few weeks back suggested Caitlyn Jenner for Trump's VP, just to see the reaction from the Democrats.
 
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