[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016

[Dennisch]

I will laugh my ass off if Granny goes to jail.

 

[Sanji Himura]

Because he's the one who took over following Andrew Breitbart's death. Bannon is the one who engineered the publication's direction. That makes him accountable for whatever Breitbart publishes.

Source required. It could have been Bannon's name on the tin, but even you know that it takes other people to engineer a formula (or a direction). Breitbart's current direction could have simply been shaped at the editorial board.

 

[DDastardly00]

Then I imagine that stagflation will start on the second day. Trump's policy is fundamentally flawed because America doesn't have the skilled labour that it needs to keep up with China. And there's no way he can create jobs fast enough to meet the demand necessary to compete with China. So if he slaps a tarriff on "goods made in China that should be made on America", firms will continue to produce in China and simply pass the costs on to consumers. When that happens on a widespread basis, the average cost of goods and services will go up, which is what we know as inflation. Meanwhile, Trump will be pouring economic resources into propping up sectors of the economy that can't compete with China, under-utilising them and the economy will stagnate as it will not be growing. Hence, stagflation.

This is honestly terrifying. I just don't think one can reverse the course on declining manufacturing jobs over the last 40 years in a month or even a year. It would take years to build up the capability and to train a workforce to handle that capability. I not saying that we cannot become the manufacturing juggernaut that we once were prior to the 1970's, I'm just saying that it would take a long time to rebuild an restore it and even then, I doubt we could compete with China's labor rates so we would be making the same products but they would be overpriced compared to China. Let's just hope Trump sticks with building bridges and concentrates on infrastructure and leaves the economy alone.

 

[Dotini]

I tell you another thing - these moaners wanting to get rid of the electoral college are stupid beyond belief.

 

[Dennisch]

Btw, how's the exodus of "If Trump wins I'm leaving the US" crybabies going? Haven't heard anything about that anymore, apart from Canada not really wanting them.

 

[Dotini]

Btw, how's the exodus of "If Trump wins I'm leaving the US" crybabies going? Haven't heard anything about that anymore, apart from Canada not really wanting them.

Last I heard Cher was going to Jupiter. Most of 'em want to go to another liberal white enclave like New Zealand. But they had an earthquake.

But seriously, pay no attention to them. They are merely traversing the 5 stages of acceptance. Preening, pouting posers.

 

[Dennisch]

Last I heard Cher was going to Jupiter.

Eh. She's way past her prime anyway.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I just don't think one can reverse the course on declining manufacturing jobs over the last 40 years in a month or even a year.

Or at all.

Economies naturally go through phases. You start out as agrarian, producing primary goods - farming. Eventually, you get the ability to make stuff and add value; you take iron ore, smelt it and add carbon to make steel, a much more durable and versatile alloy. That's what the Industrial Revolution was - the large-scale introduction of an economy based on manufacturing. But eventually you need to transition to a tertiary, service-based economy and beyond. You will naturally have some agrarian and manufacturing capacity, but once it comes time to transition, you can't cling to them as the backbone of your economy. The irony is that as a Republican, Trump will promote the free market economy, but the transition to a service economy will require planning - and a planned economy is a hallmark of socialist governments.

Let's just hope Trump sticks with building bridges and concentrates on infrastructure and leaves the economy alone.

Infrastructure is generally pretty good for stimulating the economy in the short term, but over the medium to long term, you need something more.

I not saying that we cannot become the manufacturing juggernaut that we once were prior to the 1970's, I'm just saying that it would take a long time to rebuild an restore it

You can thank the military-industrial complex for that. The Cold War, arms race and space race saw the American economy restructured around military production. It's why you get towns like Colombine that are structured around a single major employer like Lockheed-Martin in the same way that Detroit was built around the automotive industry. The end of the Cold War naturally brought about demilitarisation because there was no longer a need for war manufacturing. And that had wider implications because a war economy involved every stage of the economy, from mining the raw materials needed to build, say, a fighter jet, through to building and maintaining it. The end of the war economy meant the end of all that.

 

[Dhalism]

Then I imagine that stagflation will start on the second day. Trump's policy is fundamentally flawed because America doesn't have the skilled labour that it needs to keep up with China. And there's no way he can create jobs fast enough to meet the demand necessary to compete with China. So if he slaps a tarriff on "goods made in China that should be made on America", firms will continue to produce in China and simply pass the costs on to consumers. When that happens on a widespread basis, the average cost of goods and services will go up, which is what we know as inflation. Meanwhile, Trump will be pouring economic resources into propping up sectors of the economy that can't compete with China, under-utilising them and the economy will stagnate as it will not be growing. Hence, stagflation.

It's not quiet that simple. First of all the lack of skilled labor workforce is very much a conscious choice by the corporations who have established that sending work to china is cheaper than running apprenticeship programs. If tariffs are imposed apprenticeship programs might be the cheaper option. Second of all more expensive products from china might enable small businesses to actually compete. And lastly just like in the case of mittlestand if small businesses that produce locally can become competitive that will boost business to business sector of the market

 

[Biggles]

Especially when thus guy backs the Clinton foundation. Watch the video,an evil man.

"An evil man". Good lord.

Soros sounds like Trump ... but richer, & a lot cleverer. Like Trump he manipulated the system to his advantage & avoided paying taxes, but unlike Trump decided at a certain point that he was rich enough from being an uber capitalist & could now spend his time giving the money away. Exactly like Trump, he suggests that what is required is to fix the system. Not sure I would trust either of them on that front, but at least Soros has invested huge sums of his own money in trying to improve the lot of ordinary people in different parts of the world, something Trump has never shown any interest in.

The rest - what Soros did to survive as a 14 year old in Budapest is neither here not there. The most informative aspect of your link is the wild denunciations of Soros in the comments section as some kind of (Jewish, of course) anti-Christ.

A short selection of the hundreds of similar comments:


George Soros = a beast in a human skin


soros is satin.


He's more antichrist than any modern day human to walk this earth!


Soros cure, a rope around his neck and a six foot drop......


Are military needs to arrest George Soros and charge for war crimes. Put him in Military prison for the rest of his sorry ass life.


Every protest we see on tv. Soros is responsible. He was a Nazi collaborator who sent Jews to death camps


Not so. George Soros IS a Jew. He's working for them, for goodness sake.
Nobody sent Jews to death camps because there WERE no death camps.


This globalist conspiracy did not start with Obama (although Obama is definitely a huge part) Do research all the way back to the 1940s for the answers. JFK was murdered because he was against the global agenda. The global elite are no other than the Illuminati Satan worshipers.


****, Bin Laden and Sadam are nothing compared to this scumbag!

 

[prisonermonkeys]

It's not quiet that simple

All the points you raise are valid, but you're still counting on the grassroots economy to fill the void left by the withdrawal from China.

 

[Dhalism]

All the points you raise are valid, but you're still counting on the grassroots economy to fill the void left by the withdrawal from China.

I don't feel entirely confident in my knowledge of the subject so i'm gonna respond in the form of a question: could the rise of small business and local manufacturing not actually tip the scales of purchasing power further away from china, hence keeping whatever Chinese products that were not able to manufacture locally still at an affordable level even despite the tariffs?

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I don't feel entirely confident in my knowledge of the subject so i'm gonna respond in the form of a question: could the rise of small business and local manufacturing not actually tip the scales of purchasing power further away from china, hence keeping whatever Chinese products that were not able to manufacture locally still at an affordable level even despite the tariffs?

In theory, yes. In practice, it would require a lot of economic management, and that increased management is at odds with the principles that underpin the free market economy. It doesn't take into account the way China has trading partners worldwide, so it won't be difficult for them to offset any losses they would take from the tarriff driving Anerican firms out of China.

 

[noshog]

Btw, how's the exodus of "If Trump wins I'm leaving the US" crybabies going? Haven't heard anything about that anymore, apart from Canada not really wanting them.

Last I heard Cher was going to Jupiter. Most of 'em want to go to another liberal white enclave like New Zealand. But they had an earthquake.

But seriously, pay no attention to them. They are merely traversing the 5 stages of acceptance. Preening, pouting posers.

Our plan worked.....We don't want them either !

 

[killerjimbag]

Btw, how's the exodus of "If Trump wins I'm leaving the US" crybabies going? Haven't heard anything about that anymore, apart from Canada not really wanting them.

There not coming here! Our immigration policy isn't that easy.

 

[Sanji Himura]

In theory, yes. In practice, it would require a lot of economic management, and that increased management is at odds with the principles that underpin the free market economy. It doesn't take into account the way China has trading partners worldwide, so it won't be difficult for them to offset any losses they would take from the tarriff driving Anerican firms out of China.

But what if those said small businesses have access to markets beyond the US, like say, for example, the EU, the UK, Canada and Japan? I would be certain that the US economy would grow if the small businesses have access to competitive markets that actually drive sales.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

But what if those said small businesses have access to markets beyond the US, like say, for example, the EU, the UK, Canada and Japan?

Then they'll be competing directly with the Chinese, with none of the protection afforded to them by Trump. Those consumers will buy the best available product, and given the shortfall in the American labour market - namely skilled workers - it's unlikely that American products will be able to compete, at least not immediately.

Besides, protectionism has gotten America in trouble in the past before. In the 1980s, there used to be tarriffs and quotas in place on imported beef, but at the same time, America put pressure on foreign markets to drop their own protection. The end result was that countries like Argentina suffered because they couldn't compete with goods imported from America, but couldn't afford to export there either.

 

[Danoff]

It's not quiet that simple. First of all the lack of skilled labor workforce is very much a conscious choice by the corporations who have established that sending work to china is cheaper than running apprenticeship programs. If tariffs are imposed apprenticeship programs might be the cheaper option. Second of all more expensive products from china might enable small businesses to actually compete. And lastly just like in the case of mittlestand if small businesses that produce locally can become competitive that will boost business to business sector of the market

It's much, much simpler than you're making it out to be. If we get access to cheap labor, we get more stuff for the same value - that results in a growing economy. Done. There's no real need to take it further. Yes, the economy must restructure (as it does constantly due to millions of factors).

 

[Dhalism]

It's much, much simpler than you're making it out to be. If we get access to cheap labor, we get more stuff for the same value - that results in a growing economy. Done. There's no real need to take it further. Yes, the economy must restructure (as it does constantly due to millions of factors).

Except youre completely disregarding the effect that increased export and increased skilled jobs have on the economy.
It's funny to me how in such a complex and uncertain field as economics with several schools of thought and various implemented and successful corporate ideologies you make statements with such absolute conviction. Reminds me of that scene from good will hunting about apples.

 

[Biggles]

The bottom line is that the global economy is already integrated to a great degree. There are many American businesses that depend on importing products from China to use in their own manufacturing processes. Interfering with the flow of goods would have immediate repercussions on American businesses as well as Chinese ones. You can bet those American businesses are going to lobby hard to make sure their access to cheap Chinese made goods is not threatened, because it could undermine their own viability & cause them to lay off workers. Every intervention will have knock-on consequences that are not immediately obvious.

Then you have to multiply the knock-on consequences with regard to all the different companies in all the countries around the world. If other countries introduce protectionist measures in response to the US, the problem spirals & before long the global economy goes into recession, stock markets sink & consumer confidence is damaged leading to further disruption.

In a recent interview on CNN, Warren Buffet stated his point of view (in typical Buffetian understated manner) that the free-market "on aggregate" works best in the long run & reaffirmed his confidence in the future of the US economy. However, he acknowledged that in the process there are always "winners & losers" - not some kind of moral judgement, but a practical reality. His solution was, in part, to have a fairer tax system so that the "winners" under globalization help mitigate the negative effects of globalization.

Or ...

It's much, much simpler than you're making it out to be. If we get access to cheap labor, we get more stuff for the same value - that results in a growing economy. Done. There's no real need to take it further. Yes, the economy must restructure (as it does constantly due to millions of factors).

... you could pretend that it's all much, much simpler, that everything always work out for the best in a perfectly rational way & that people's anger, frustration, sense of alienation & politically self-destructive decisions can be safely ignored.

 

[McLaren]

Btw, how's the exodus of "If Trump wins I'm leaving the US" crybabies going? Haven't heard anything about that anymore, apart from Canada not really wanting them.

Amy Schumer went into a full meltdown with some uninformed rant on Instagram & basically said anyone asking her to leave as is as disgusting as Trump voters. But, she's on CC, home of the DailyShow, so her career sadly isn't going into the grave where it should went years ago after her joke on Ryan Dunn's death.

Lena Dunham condemned white women for not voting a woman in ("shocking" from a radical feminist like herself) & basically said while we're living in our new regime, she'll be traveling the world spreading "justice & light". So, her head's in fantasy land.

But hey, Miley's on board for Trump.
[/randomTMZCelebtalk]

Back to people who are actually worth discussing about.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

You can't make this stuff up folks.
Trump isn't transparent.
He's a national security risk.
80% of the job of the media is protective (laughablty inflated sense of purpose) inferring Trump isn't protected without them around.

Reason: He went to dinner with his family and didn't tell the press core. No joke.

Remember they're mad cause they still don't know how Trump likes his steak and what sides he goes with. Does the man go loaded bake potato or is he secretly a socialist sharing a side like nachos or beloved artichoke dip. Oh the humanity of not knowing how the man eats his steak dinners, what will America do now that he slipped the media and they didn't know until after said dinner was finished and left overs in tightly sealed doggy bags.

I mean even noting his kids were there, I'm sure Donald Jr. is a medium well steak man.

 

[Dotini]

Remember they're mad cause they still don't know how Trump likes his steak and what sides he goes with. Does the man go loaded bake potato or is he secretly a socialist sharing a side like nachos or beloved artichoke dip. Oh the humanity of not knowing how the man eats his steak dinners, what will America do now that he slipped the media and they didn't know until after said dinner was finished and left overs in tightly sealed doggy bags.

I mean even noting his kids were there, I'm sure Donald Jr. is a medium well steak man.

FYI, Ivanka is Jewish, and her husband (Donald's in law) is very orthodox; both keep very kosher.

 

[McLaren]

112 arrests were made last weekend Portland; interesting news shows 2/3rds of the people arrested either did not vote or were not registered to vote in Oregon.

Most of the 112 protesters arrested in Portland last week didn’t vote in Oregon, according to state election records. Approximately 30 percent did cast a ballot in Oregon or in another state.

At least seventy-nine demonstrators either didn’t turn in a ballot or weren’t registered to vote in the state.
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/more-than-half-of-arrested-anti-trump-protesters-didnt-vote/351964445

Protests for many, nothing more than outlet to be disruptive human beings, the exact thing that happened to BLM protests in the beginning & tainted the original cause.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Amy Schumer went into a full meltdown with some uninformed rant on Instagram & basically said anyone asking her to leave as is as disgusting as Trump voters. But, she's on CC, home of the DailyShow, so her career sadly isn't going into the grave where it should went years ago after her joke on Ryan Dunn's death.

Lena Dunham condemned white women for not voting a woman in ("shocking" from a radical feminist like herself) & basically said while we're living in our new regime, she'll be traveling the world spreading "justice & light". So, her head's in fantasy land.

But hey, Miley's on board for Trump.
[/randomTMZCelebtalk]

Back to people who are actually worth discussing about.

You mean the same uninformed rant she got Rogan on with the pay differential between women and men

 

[mustafur]

Keep in mind she is the same person that called Bernie supporters Sexist for not supporting Hillary.

 

[McLaren]

You mean the same uninformed rant she got Rogan on with the pay differential between women and men

Was this on his podcast? How did Rogan respond?

It was a regurgitated rant about how Trump is the mother of all "-ists" who doesn't pay his taxes & how Hillary cared about everyone, that all these celebrities stood with her for no monetary gain at all. And of course, she included the proven-false picture of Trump's statement about running as a Republican from back in the 90's.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Was this on his podcast? How did Rogan respond?

It was a regurgitated rant about how Trump is the mother of all "-ists" who doesn't pay his taxes & how Hillary cared about everyone, that all these celebrities stood with her for no monetary gain at all. And of course, she included the proven-false picture of Trump's statement about running as a Republican from back in the 90's.

I'm talking about the stupid bud light commercial. That is something she agreed with, wasn't entirely factual about what she was speaking on. So the podcast wasn't a surprise to me with more non-info.

 

[McLaren]

I'm talking about the stupid bud light commercial. That is something she agreed with, wasn't entirely factual about what she was speaking on. So the podcast wasn't a surprise to me with more non-info.

Ohhhh, okay. You referred to Seth. I saw the commercial, but never paid attention to it. These days when I hear Rogan, I think of Joe.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Ohhhh, okay. You mean Seth. I saw the commercial, but never paid attention to it. These days when I hear Rogan, I think of Joe.

That guy deserves less attention than Seth. So yeah he's not even a noteworthy person in my opinion, even though he'll yell to make you see it otherwise. Yeah there were a couple of groups that broke down the context of the video and showed that the wage gap isn't something that is directly done as suggested.

So when I hear the podcast (the bits I had time for), I wasn't surprised by the utter visceral being spewed.