Porsche's Contract With EA

[RACECAR]

I find this really odd though. Why is Porsche in Forza? From my understanding they're not EA at all.

Basically, sub-licensing (and a very costly one). If I recall, Turn 10 sorta had some leverage as they for abit had exclusive rights to Ferrari on Xbox (Though were far more generous then EA before they decided to discontinue that) so they easily had more bargaining power then anyone else to get Porsches in DLC packs.

 

[Coiler]

Say what you like but the highest selling racing game without Porsche on the list is just a middle finger to fans.
Especially when an Indy studio can afford it...

 

[RACECAR]

Say what you like but the highest selling racing game without Porsche on the list is just a middle finger to fans.
Especially when an Indy studio can afford it...

This is exactly the sort of self-entitled attitude that needs to stop.

In Case you hadn't realized it, EA is the main reason most Devs couldn't get Porsche in their game and the only reason its happening now to a indy studio is Because EA and Porsche have chosen not to continue this exclusive deal. Its not people "Saying what they want", its fact.

 

[Coiler]

This is exactly the sort of self-entitled attitude that needs to stop.

In Case you hadn't realized it, EA is the main reason most Devs couldn't get Porsche in their game and the only reason its happening now to a indy studio is Because EA and Porsche have chosen not to continue this exclusive deal. Its not people "Saying what they want", its fact.

No, EA will grant it to anyone that is willing to pay as simple as that.

 

[dacc10]

This is exactly the sort of self-entitled attitude that needs to stop.

In Case you hadn't realized it, EA is the main reason most Devs couldn't get Porsche in their game and the only reason its happening now to a indy studio is Because EA and Porsche have chosen not to continue this exclusive deal. Its not people "Saying what they want", its fact.

How long ago did that exclusive deal end?

 

[Johnnypenso]

How long ago did that exclusive deal end?

2017 apparently, although Porsche did approach Kunos specifically about including Porsche in Assetto Corsa.

 

[Smurfybug]

No, EA will grant it to anyone that is willing to pay as simple as that.

Did you read the article?

 

[Coiler]

Did you read the article?

Was it posted by Porsche itself? I live to long to believe that it is about anything more than $$$.

 

[dacc10]

2017 apparently, although Porsche did approach Kunos specifically about including Porsche in Assetto Corsa.

So it's about to end then. Maybe when it ends, GTS will get some of their cars.

 

[Smurfybug]

Was it posted by Porsche itself? I live to long to believe that it is about anything more than $$$.

If the guy from Porsche that he interviewed said the contract ends at the end of 2016 then we should take that into consideration shouldn't we?

 

[Coiler]

Without going into details, how many Forza games had Porsche cars in the meantime?

 

[Jarmo]

No, EA will grant it to anyone that is willing to pay as simple as that.

And PD saying that "Screw off, were not paying you for a stupid sub-licensing fee!" isn't a middle finger to the fans. It is a middle finger to the incredibly stupid EA Porsche licensing deal.

 

[Coiler]

And PD saying that "Screw off, were not paying you for a stupid sub-licensing fee!" isn't a middle finger to the fans. It is a middle finger to the incredibly stupid EA Porsche licensing deal.

No mate, EA is a business company they know what they are doing. Maybe they ask PD to somewhat compensate the loss
of NFS sales.

 

[-Fred-]

EA deal or not, Porsche probably isn't giving away their licence for free anyway... This isn't Kia we're talking about. Whether a studio decides it's worth paying for it is another thing, and whether Porsche decides to indeed give their aknowledgement to said studio is another. It's normal to see them work with newcomers that show promise (Kunos) or well established studios with a good following (Turn 10) so we'll have to see if they'll be inclined to work with PD, a once well respected developper that is now pretty much the butt of a joke, given the speed at which they dish out games.

 

[ScottPuss20]

No mate, EA is a business company they know what they are doing. Maybe they ask PD to somewhat compensate the loss of NFS sales.

That seems totally outrageous. Sorry, but I don't think that EA would ask a rival developer to make up for lost sales. Are you listening to yourself right now? The fact that Porsche have realised their mistake is great news for all developers of racing games. You should be thankful for that.

 

[Jarmo]

No mate, EA is a business company they know what they are doing. Maybe they ask PD to somewhat compensate the loss
of NFS sales.

It's not necessarily stupid deal from EA. I think it's stupid from Porsche. And I also think it is stupid that PD would have to pay EA to get Porsche into their game. If I was PD I don't think I would be willing to do that merely out of principle.

 

[Johnnypenso]

So it's about to end then. Maybe when it ends, GTS will get some of their cars.

Maybe, maybe not. Depends on where Kaz wants to take the franchise this time around and if Porsche fits into the scheme of things. If SMS and Kunos can afford the license, there's no doubt PD can afford it but we'll have to see how it plays out.

 

[ScottPuss20]

Maybe, maybe not. Depends on where Kaz wants to take the franchise this time around and if Porsche fits into the scheme of things. If SMS and Kunos can afford the license, there's no doubt PD can afford it but we'll have to see how it plays out.

Due to the fact that the game is nearing completion, I do not expect Porsche to feature when the game is released. DLC is a strong possibility IMO.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

How long ago did that exclusive deal end?

It was posted in the thread that it will be ending soon (as if end of this year or early next year).

No mate, EA is a business company they know what they are doing. Maybe they ask PD to somewhat compensate the loss
of NFS sales.

Why should they that's not how it works, PD doesn't play to the tune of EA and shouldn't have to and @RACECAR is right, the moment people think this game is their little own personal island it's the moment they need to shove off and find another game. That meets their appeal, there is criticism (which is fine) and then their is egotistical self entitlement.

 

[Tajima]

Way too many redoundant options in this poll. 8, when 3 would have been more than enough. Less is more.

 

[05XR8]

Due to the fact that the game is nearing completion, I do not expect Porsche to feature when the game is released. DLC is a strong possibility IMO.

PD could churn out 1 car by May or June next year.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

PD could churn out 1 car by May or June next year.

Or they could have numerous cars already modelled, and simply need to get the legal side all sorted before including them in the game. There's no reason they couldn't have started modelling Porsches ages ago. It wouldn't be the first time.

Of course, one could argue that, given the sales of the GT franchise historically, PD may not feel it needs to add Porsche. If you're the best-selling franchise and one particular license costs a ton to acquire, well... why would you?

 

[Tornado]

No, EA will grant it to anyone that is willing to pay as simple as that.

According to who? We don't know why Microsoft (and occasionally before 2008, other companies who were much smaller than PD) was able to get Porsches and PD was not. It could have been money, but it may very well have been other hurdles in place (I recall some faffing about in the Forza 3 days about Microsoft's hold on the Ferrari licence). EA may simply not have wanted to let PD have it at all, and it clearly hasn't been a lock for Microsoft either.

It's not necessarily stupid deal from EA. I think it's stupid from Porsche.

Glad Porsche finally woke up and realized what a terrible idea that contract was.

It's pretty safe to say that Porsche wasn't hurt in any way by not having Porsche in Gran Turismo games; and it's similarly probably fair to say that the exclusivity agreement wasn't a terrible business decision on either parties' behalf when it was seemingly in place for seventeen years.

 

[05XR8]

Or they could have numerous cars already modelled, and simply need to get the legal side all sorted before including them in the game. There's no reason they couldn't have started modelling Porsches ages ago. It wouldn't be the first time.

Of course, one could argue that, given the sales of the GT franchise historically, PD may not feel it needs to add Porsche. If you're the best-selling franchise and one particular license costs a ton to acquire, well... why would you?

They possibly could. PD have surprised us with content in GT6.
I can't recall any discussions as to why Kaz couldn't sift through the red tape and keep his personal GT3 in the game.
I don't know if PD are waiting for the exact moment the licence expires, to start modelling or revealing cara already made. I don't know what deal they struck with Porsche, knowing what's coming.

Why not include one of the most sought after car makers in history? Especially with a supposedly historic mode in the game.

 

[McLaren]

Of course, one could argue that, given the sales of the GT franchise historically, PD may not feel it needs to add Porsche. If you're the best-selling franchise and one particular license costs a ton to acquire, well... why would you?

I think before GT6 sales were released, this would be a strong argument.

However, with that huge drop that occurred from 5 to 6, I think it'd be worth that huge cost to acquire Porsche. If fans knew that brand was finally making its way into the title, I believe it'd build a decent amount of sales. In my opinion, the goal for Sport has to be getting back near 10m+ copies. I don't think Sony will be satisfied with another 5m copies sold based on how incredibly successful it was pre-GT6, regardless of whether or not that still beats all the other racing games.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

accidental double

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Way too many redoundant options in this poll. 8, when 3 would have been more than enough. Less is more.

Not to be rude but were you trying to say redundant? Also I agree, there is too many options in the pool but I thought it was closed already.

Or they could have numerous cars already modelled, and simply need to get the legal side all sorted before including them in the game. There's no reason they couldn't have started modelling Porsches ages ago. It wouldn't be the first time.

Of course, one could argue that, given the sales of the GT franchise historically, PD may not feel it needs to add Porsche. If you're the best-selling franchise and one particular license costs a ton to acquire, well... why would you?

What @McLaren said and what I said earlier to another user, who seemed sure this was the case. Unless everyone is this bracket of gaming knew the contract between Porsche and EA was soon to be up I don't see why they'd waste assets and time to build models that have a very good shot of never being used.

Also with Kunos and SMS obtaining these licenses like @Johnnypenso said, it becomes hard to believe that a best-seller dev couldn't afford to do it. I feel you make a great point though, on just the fact alone that GT has sold tons before even bringing in big brands like Ferrari and Lambo, what does Porsche do if introduced? To many of us, a great deal, to the marketing side probably nothing great in the way of revenue.

 

[Yui-san]

Of course, one could argue that, given the sales of the GT franchise historically, PD may not feel it needs to add Porsche. If you're the best-selling franchise and one particular license costs a ton to acquire, well... why would you?

Well, Kaz owns a Porsche, so I think he'd still want Porsche in the game.

 

[Grayfox]

Maybe they ask PD to somewhat compensate the loss
of NFS sales.

NFS declining sales are not PDs fault.
EA is just running out of ideas and just churning out NFS 24 then 2 months later NFS 30

Look at battlefield.
They keep re hashing it with small changes and calling it a new game.

 

[Coiler]

NFS declining sales are not PDs fault.
EA is just running out of ideas and just churning out NFS 24 then 2 months later NFS 30

Look at battlefield.
They keep re hashing it with small changes and calling it a new game.

As bad as NFS is its still selling better than other racing games: https://www.reddit.com/r/needforspe...ts_most_disappointing_games_in_2015_you_wont/

The same for Battlefield I don't think there is a better selling FPS right now. They can pull it out every year so why not to do it?

In German: http://www.speedmaniacs.com/News,Assetto-Corsa-und-Porsche-Zu-Gast-bei-Kunos-Simulazioni,8647