Post-E3 Console Wars: There's Only One Way To Find Out

[Robin]

You would have thought all this would have all been tested so there is no problem, I know why people expect this not to be the case though.

Lets hope everything turns out fine.

Can you imagine if Sony hasn't tested this .... first person in the world takes it home, plug's it in, tries to put a game in....

 

[sems4arsenal]

Disk loading shouldn't be hard but getting it out might be a challenge because the hole of the disk probably won't show. I'm not too bothered about the USB sticks because there are unobstructed ones at the back.

I use the slots for the G25 and the charging cable so I have to use both front slots

And yeah seems getting it out might need some flexible fingers

 

[Roger the Horse]

I don't think I'll be buying a PS4 for quite a while, if at all. From what I've seen though, I can now say for certain that I'll NEVER be buying an Xbox One. If Microsoft have done anything it's prove that they couldn't care less about the actual gamers using the machine, whereas Sony have not only shown that they're actually aware of their target audience (and aware that it's actually necessary to have a target audience for a product), and also aware of their rivals, as posters like this show; although one cannot help but feel that Sony might be making statements like this just a little early.

And, in fact, it is for that exact reason that I choose to wait it out. Well, maybe not that exact reason, but we all know how annoyed early Xbox 360 adopters were when their new €400 console had already ceased to function. Things like that put me off buying technology at launch, I think it better to wait it out until the price has come down and unexpected issues have had time to surface. Honestly a large part of me is considering getting a Wii U if things pick up for the troubled system. It's already pretty cheap and looks to have some really good games coming up.

Until at least next year, I shall wait it out and merely observe. Anyway, I have a PS3 already, and Gran Turismo 6 SHOULD be coming out this autumn. And what was the reason I registered on this website again?

 

[Com Fox]

My opinion on next-gen game consoles:

There are a few reasons why I'm not getting the PS4 (however I might reconsider later on but defently not at launch):
1. The game library at the moment does not impress me (that might change later)
2. I'm not ready to leave my PS3.
3. GT6 is for PS3.
4. No backward compatibility (unless you use some system Sony are doing).
5. You need Playstation Plus to play games online (It's much ore reasonable then Xbox Live (Way more) but I can't afford to pay monthly/yearly).

The Xbox One will obviously not be my choice for obvious reasons that have obviously been explained.

The Wii U is the next-gen console I want for:
1. Backwards compatibiity.
2. Online is free.
3. At the start the game library was poor to me but after E3 the games look outstanding.
4. Miiverse is pretty interesting.
5. I actually like the gamepad concept

The 3DS is my favourite console, not because it is in 3D (I rarely use it) but its game library is amazing to me.

I couldn't really care for the Vita to be honest.

You can make your opinions on my opinion but I'll not change my mind.

 

[Samus]

audience for a product), and also aware of their rivals, as posters like this show; although one cannot help but feel that Sony might be making statements like this just a little early.

They're not made by Sony. Well the poster is, the text is added.

 

[Pagey279]

I've just seen the prices for the games, £60 a pop for both consoles. That's going to cut down the amount of launch titles I buy.

Is that why the consoles themselves are so cheap, because they've put the prices up on the games? Do they really warrant that £20 increase over current gen games, in terms of production and development costs?

 

[Samus]

I've just seen the prices for the games, £60 a pop for both consoles. That's going to cut down the amount of launch titles I buy.

Is that why the consoles themselves are so cheap, because they've put the prices up on the games? Do they really warrant that £20 increase over current gen games, in terms of production and development costs?

Where have you got that price from? Sony stated the PS4 games would still be $60 in the US so unless they're shafting only us they'll still be £45 here. Amazon has them up at £54.99 but that's the same as the RRP that nobody ever spent on the current gen, unless you bought them from the PSN.

I'm pretty sure by the time retailers actually get true prices from the publishers it'll be business as usual.

 

[Ranman20]

"Don Mattrick, president of Microsoft's Interactive Entertainment Business, who stated that those who do not have internet connectivity should purchase an Xbox 360 instead."

That is the stupidest thing I've read ever.

 

[LeMansAid]

Let's take it a step further and consider intellectual property rights. Once you buy a game the game should be yours...literally to do whatever you wish to do with it, including make copies and give them to your friends for free (or charge them if you're a dick).

As far as I'm concerned, when it comes to digital media the originator should have rights to an original master copy, but once they've decided to take that master copy and release it into a public digital realm, they no longer have any say on what those people do with the copies they've bought. Part of my theory is based on the fact that enforcing piracy has proven impossible so thus far. Another part is based on the fact that virtually no labor is involved in reproducing digital copies of anything. Theoretically an mp3 file or any other could last for millions of years with no more than a few button clicks to keep it alive. Virtually no knowledge, training, or physical or mental effort required. Computers can do it completely autonomously on a schedule.

Do you not understand what intellectual property actually is, or are you seriously suggesting that one can pay as little as say $5 and own the right to use another's results of sacrifice and inspiration as they choose? Try to think of an analogy that would apply to your own life, and life's creations, and work out if you still feel the same way. A tire of such foolhardy, selfish, and shortsighted attitudes. There are real people involved, regardless of whether or not you block out that reality.

Aaaaand, if I somehow misunderstood? .... As you were.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

5. You need Playstation Plus to play games online (It's much ore reasonable then Xbox Live (Way more) but I can't afford to pay monthly/yearly).

You can't afford $5 a month? Most people waste more than that on junk food a month that goes right thru you. Don't buy a bag of chips & you could afford PS+.

 

[Tornado]

Do you not understand what intellectual property actually is, or are you seriously suggesting that one can pay as little as say $5 and own the right to use another's results of sacrifice and inspiration as they choose? Try to think of an analogy that would apply to your own life, and life's creations, and work out if you still feel the same way. A tire of such foolhardy, selfish, and shortsighted attitudes. There are real people involved, regardless of whether or not you block out that reality.

Aaaaand, if I somehow misunderstood? .... As you were.

Oh boy. 'Bouts to get awful political up in here.

 

[Pupik]

Let's take it a step further and consider intellectual property rights. Once you buy a game the game should be yours...literally to do whatever you wish to do with it, including make copies...

I'm with you up until...

and give them to your friends for free (or charge them if you're a dick)

...this.

The first part is what you do with it for yourself. Make 20 copies for your own usage, because you're clumsy, or forgetful, or want to have it ready for the next form of media player (game console, video player, musical playback device)...fine. The license for entirely private usage is something that should be extended to protect one's purchase from future irrelevance.

The second part is where people go ape and essentially devalue it, or make money and/or fame from the sweat of another's brow. The line needs to be drawn somewhere; otherwise, there's no intellectual property, and essentially anyone could claim the ownership, rights, and works of others' as their calling card. That building there? No, I built it...I paid to enter it once. That song Bron-Y-Aur Stomp? Yes, I penned it...I own a copy of the album. And Yar's Revenge? I programmed it...since I have a cartridge containing it.

Which is solipsistic nonsense.

In in economic sense, someone who has no money isn't really a lost sale. But then, an economic libertarian such as yourself wouldn't be okay with free food, housing, medicine, healthcare, unless someone donates it...after all, they have no money to engage in commerce.

You can't afford $5 a month? Most people waste more than that on junk food a month that goes right thru you. Don't buy a bag of chips & you could afford PS+.

Why should I pay a monthly maintenance fee (let's see, $180 over 3 years) for an item I've already paid for...unless I don't have to? That's not to expensive, but what if my radio wanted the same thing? Or my watch? My refrigerator? The Lawnmower? When and where does it stop?

Not to brag, but it's not about the money...it's the concept of forcing me to wag my tail for that sort of nonsense.

 

[Com Fox]

You can't afford $5 a month? Most people waste more than that on junk food a month that goes right thru you. Don't buy a bag of chips & you could afford PS+.

Like I said I might reconsider, especially when I get a job, especially since I am now old enough to get a job .

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Why should I pay a monthly maintenance fee (let's see, $180 over 3 years) for an item I've already paid for...unless I don't have to? That's not to expensive, but what if my radio wanted the same thing? Or my watch? My refrigerator? The Lawnmower? When and where does it stop?

Not to brag, but it's not about the money...it's the concept of forcing me to wag my tail for that sort of nonsense.

Then I guess we all should stop paying our phone, internet, water, & power bills or gas our cars up then drive off (if the gas station is dumb & doesn't have prepaid).
As long as they give you free and discounted products then it pays for itself. $5 a month ain't even a legal hours pay & $60 a year is one day's pay. It's not that bad considering all the junk & wasteful things people buy everyday.

 

[Slash]

Then I guess we all should stop paying our phone, internet, water, & power bills or gas our cars up then drive off (if the gas station is dumb & doesn't have prepaid).
As long as they give you free and discounted products then it pays for itself. $5 a month ain't even a legal hours pay & $60 a year is one day's pay. It's not that bad considering all the junk & wasteful things people buy everyday.

Well it would be ok if they gave you free and discounted products that were actually worth a damn.

 

[Northstar]

but what if my radio wanted the same thing?

Last I checked SiriusXM is a subscription service and even terrestrial radio is plagued with ads. Why should I have to deal with either of those when I paid for the receiver?

Or my watch? My refrigerator? The Lawnmower? When and where does it stop?

While it may not be monthly all those things have maintenance costs attached to them. (The fridge does use electricity, which is monthly) Why should I pay for batteries, petrol, oil, blade sharpening etc...

Well it would be ok if they gave you free and discounted products that were actually worth a damn.

Why on earth should they give you anything for free? It's like signing up for a bank account that complaining that the free gift sucks. IT'S FREE!!!!

Beggars can't be choosers.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

To be honest I was rather surprised that they allowed us to play PS3 games online for free.

My lawn mower costs me more than $5 a month in gas alone

I think the cost of PSN+ is very fair and I would not have a problem paying it to play online even if they offered no free games in the package. In all likely hood most games they offer I would not be interested in but hey they are just a free bonus and you never know I may like some of them. Just one game costs as much as a year of service.

 

[Robin]

I'm willing to bet PSN won't be $5 a month here ( £3.19), I bet like everything else they will screw us over and make it like £5-7 pounds a month.

Yes anyone can afford it but its about the principal. Your paying for nothing, all these so called infrastructure changes is likely to be just talk. PSN will probably feel exactly the same and still be P2P. They are charging just because MS made it acceptable to do so.

Free online on PS3 was a great move and showed that it was possible to do pefectly perfectly acceptable online without a fee and it was great for casual / occasional gamers. For PS4 they should have done two tiers, paid and free online.

 

[Stevisiov]

Oops, I clicked the wrong voting option.

I have intended to get the PS4 after the prices fall a bit. I might have been swayed to get a Xbox one had it been a particularly good console. Although It turns out that the Xb one is not going to be a particularly great choice.

 

[Eks]

"There's only one way to find out"

I believe we've found out which console won.

 

[Famine]

Oops, I clicked the wrong voting option.

Speaking of which, it's time for a it's-the-middle-of-the-first-poll summary.

54 of 203 people had no preference before E3. Of those, 63% now express a PS4 preference. 0% express an XB1 preference - including those who'd buy both...

126 of 203 people expressed a PS4 preference before E3. Of those, 96% still express a PS4 preference, while 0% express an XB1 preference - including those who'd buy both. 4% were turned off by the PS4 and now express no preference.

11 of 203 people expressed an XB1 preference before E3. Of those, 45% now do not express an XB1 preference - 36% moving across to PS4 only and 9% moving to neither. 27% still express an XB1 preference, while another 27% now say they'd buy both.

12 of 203 people expressed a desire to both consoles. 50% still express this, while none have now shifted away from both - 8% say they'd go XB1 only, while 42% say PS4 only.

In total there have been 53 of 203 people change their opinion. Of these:
43 (81%) have moved towards PS4 as their sole choice (from neither, both or XB1 alone)
1 (2%) has moved towards XB1 as their sole choice (from both)
3 (6%) have moved from a single choice to both consoles (ALL from those who originally expressed a sole XB1 preference)
6 (11%) have moved away from PS4 as any choice (from both or PS4 alone)
10 (19%) have moved away from XB1 as any choice (from both or XB1 alone)

 

[Roger the Horse]

I think it says a lot that 13 out of 203 respondents have stated their intention of purchasing the Xbox One while 173 have said they'll buy a Playstation 4. Microsoft have got a big train wreck to clear up here if they don't want to lose vast amounts of money on this thing.

Personally, although I can say that I most certainly shall not buy an Xbox One; the cost of Playstation Plus in Europe could still very much be a deal breaker for me, with there being a fair chance of European gamers once again getting screwed over by unfair pricing compared to the US. Anyway, as I have already stated, I shall wait and see how things turn out before making any decisions, and, of course, there's the small matter of the Wii U, which after E3 is looking a damn slight stronger, especially when you consider the simple fact that Mega Man is coming to Smash Bros.!

 

[Samus]

Pre-orders in the US are 3:2 in favour of PS4 according to IGN.

 

[Roger the Horse]

That's actually a surprisingly low bias in PS4s favour to be honest.

Actually, I personally find it surprising that people are already pre-ordering. I guess some people have a lot of cash to blow and are prepared to go through the fuss of cancelling their pre-order if something proves to turn them off the console they've pre-ordered before release.

 

[Famine]

I think it says a lot that 13 out of 203 respondents have stated their intention of purchasing the Xbox One while 173 have said they'll buy a Playstation 4.

For statistical purposes, it's worth disregarding the "PS4 before, PS4 after" votes because we're effectively a PS-focussed site.

We may have a significant chunk of members with XBoxes and a Forza section once considered large enough to need its own site, but we're a Gran Turismo fansite. Our members are more likely to be interested in PlayStation products primarily.

However it's interesting to note how many have changed and where.

 

[Aqua F1]

That's actually a surprisingly low bias in PS4s favour to be honest.

Well I imagine that's because Microsoft pretty much targeted the Xbox at the US people. I ithink it will be much more in favour for Sony in other countries.

 

[spd]

For statistical purposes, it's worth disregarding the "PS4 before, PS4 after" votes because we're effectively a PS-focussed site.

We may have a significant chunk of members with XBoxes and a Forza section once considered large enough to need its own site, but we're a Gran Turismo fansite. Our members are more likely to be interested in PlayStation products primarily.

However it's interesting to note how many have changed and where.

That's exactly what I wanted to say! Even though GT6 comes on PS3, future titles of the franchise will be released on PS4. Many GTP users might be even happy about this, since they already own a PS3 and when GT7 finally arrives, prices of the consoles will already drop.

Generally, I'm sure Microsoft will do just fine, brand loyalty is the key word. Xbox One might be hated all over forums, YouTube and so on, but it's the same as with this board's users, it is not representative. Majority of consumers won't switch to Sony's product anyway, that's why the American pre-order figures do not surprise me.

 

[Pupik]

Then I guess we all should stop paying our phone, internet, water, & power bills or gas our cars up then drive off (if the gas station is dumb & doesn't have prepaid).
As long as they give you free and discounted products then it pays for itself. $5 a month ain't even a legal hours pay & $60 a year is one day's pay. It's not that bad considering all the junk & wasteful things people buy everyday.

1. I very clearly didn't mention those items, because...duh.

2. You pay for internet, anyhow. You pay your electrical bill to keep these things running. You buy the game, for obvious reasons. Does nobody else see the double-dip in this situation?

My point is, when does it stop? If it's worth it to you, go right ahead. That's capitalism.

To a very casual player of these games, no...it's absurd.

 

[Famine]

That's exactly what I wanted to say! Even though GT6 comes on PS3, future titles of the franchise will be released on PS4. Many GTP users might be even happy about this, since they already own a PS3 and when GT7 finally arrives, prices of the consoles will already drop.

Generally, I'm sure Microsoft will do just fine, brand loyalty is the key word. Xbox One might be hated all over forums, YouTube and so on, but it's the same as with this board's users, it is not representative. Majority of consumers won't switch to Sony's product anyway, that's why the American pre-order figures do not surprise me.

It's just the changes that interested me - but all the other options have to be there. The changes are interesting because it gives us people who were actually interested in the console we're not really about vs. people who are actually interested in the console we're not really about...

And the interesting shift is that E3 has gained PS4 EIGHT TIMES as many newly interested people as people it's lost, whereas it's lost XB1 TEN TIMES as many people as are newly interested in it...

But then MS just can't stop filling their mouths with feet...

Rule 1 of being in a hole... Dig up.

 

[DustDriver]

I hope xboxsupport2 is a fake account...

But it shouldn't be hard to go through a proxy of a supported country for the activation.