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[WheelmanSteve]

Some more notes from the cheap seats: I ran some League events last night: (Logitech G29)
4WD's at Ste. Croix: R33 Skyline: Lots of fun. Much better overall- more progressive breakaway, and more "catchable". Finished on the podium a few time on SH's before I noticed I could use softer tires, switched to SS's and wow, what a difference. Not a good test AWD/4WD, though- the R33 is pretty RWD-ey. Rabbit car was a VGT of some sort, though, and I think I raced driver in Sport mode last week. Come on PD. The AI needs better SR...
Classic Car Challenge: C3 Vette at Tokyo. No opinion. I love this car, and hate the track. (This is a "tune-to-win" event.) Kept getting hammered on top end by the Miura. Ended up switching to the BB512, just because I had one, and ended up loving it. (New favorite road car maybe... what a sound! Mine is Blu Dino with some black BBS FS wheels.) Once I tamed the rear end, easy win. On the old model, I wouldn't have bothered trying to "fix" a tail happy MR- I'd probably have just choked out the CR for a Cobra...
Classic Car Challenge: BB512: Ran this a bunch of times, because with the new tire model and little setup help (stiffer springs, lots less rear toe, little bit of camber), this old Ferrari is a SCREAMER, and running the event over and over to try to catch that stupid Cobra was FUN! I confess I did tune it bit- it just squeaks into N400 out of the box, so adding some power seems reasonable. I can't wait to try this tune out at La Sarthe...
So WheelmanSteve's assessment at this point remains: Much Better. There might not be more outright grip, but for me it is much more drivable, I can usually catch the rear when it starts to go, and it's a lot more fun. (Isn't that the point? Fun=play more GTS. Not fun=go to Gamestop and find something else. Now, where is that LS2 Pontiac GTO? And yes, I want the GTO.R version in Gr.3 along with it.)

 

[Hallitrd]

The good thing is the COMFORT/SPORT tires seems made of rubber now, not pcv plastic. The not so good thing, is that the front tires for road cars are too grippy imo, which makes the rear end way too lose. That's for example when using the standard SH at front and rear.

Sport Hard at front and Sport Soft at rear, or other combination of tires with less front grip and we are getting there I think. If the Supra MK3 handles like this on sport tires (Sport Hard) in real life, I think I will not even dare leave my driveway.

Hopefully PD will still try to improve their tire model.

 

[05XR8]

As a controller user, when applying the brake, it "feels",like I'm pressing the brake pedal. Modulating the brake is so fluid. It's not a switch.

Braking from high speeds while gradually turning is awesome. That St Croix B is a good example. A couple of hard braking points that turn to the right. There's confidence in braking with an S660 to a Gr.4 86. Very natural for me.

 

[Auditore]

As a controller user, when applying the brake, it "feels",like I'm pressing the brake pedal. Modulating the brake is so fluid. It's not a switch.

Braking from high speeds while gradually turning is awesome. That St Croix B is a good example. A couple of hard braking points that turn to the right. There's confidence in braking with an S660 to a Gr.4 86. Very natural for me.

Good to know your impressions as a controller user,from the things i read in this thread it seems like the update was great for wheel users and divisive to controller users

 

[Hallitrd]

After some testing and tuning, my MK4 Supra now drives beautifully and seems in perfect balance with CM at front and CS at rear, 357hp and serious weight reducing. I simply had to rethink how to drive in GTS with the new tire model.
I'm very glad to see that the COMFORT tires now has some grip and are made of rubber, and I want COMFORT tires now in the daily races for the kei cars and less powerful cars. I tested the Honda S660 in the daily race, and with the SH tires the car is absolutely glued to the ground, and no fun to drive imo.

Gonna change my vote from "worse" to "much better"

Great job PD.

 

[Groundfish]

Love the new tire model. Better more feedback and smoother in the wheel on all cars. More challenging and realistic. You can manage oversteer better. It rewards proper driving more imo.

 

[CJ1045]

I have just done the Super GT League 10 lap race at Maggiore and the cars really feel superb now and very planted as they should be with all the aero they have. I used to do this race a lot as it is a good earner and much more interesting than Blue Moon for grinding. The cars now feel so much better and less like they are about to fly off into a barrier. Very enjoyable indeed. The new tyre model has made this race so good now.

CJ

 

[Skygrasper550]

Tried to go back to drifting since the main claim here is that the Comfort and Sports tires were affected the most, and I have to say drifting is much better with the new update. Granted it's not up to par with the release build of GT6, but it's much more forgiving now. Holding the slide is much easier, and if you accidentally get a few more degrees on your angle, you can still correct it. You don't snap immediately to a spin like before. I'll have to test more cars, but this update just might make me go back to drifting.

 

[VBR]

So guys, after living with the new tyre model for a week now, have you decided how you feel about it? You can change your vote if you want to (I've also added new options).

@Coiler @I-Runner @Oner @Topsu @DrifterJoe @vxr58 @bobby2227 @Nielsen @mokalovesoulmat @kalakanto @Endless-Wilso @steefpeef @schnick @micantony @BallPtPenTheif @rumblina @GTP_Versatile @invetedevo @Litchi @r1ryder424 @Doodle @Tex @NanoSaibou @nascarfan1400 @APPIE1615 @ProjectF @H1s6n @rcb929 @SDSPOWER01 @NICKname @Cole @Morgan @IngRobNy @MrWaflz55 @Cowboy @lxmmy @yas @freedom1104 @usmaan @Ax4xGearHead @George @jakob @Cuber Tom @Crona08 @routergod24 @Bond_Villain @Blindside92 @user3392345 @TheGeologist @Typhlosion @SPOOLMAN @Mistah_MCA [USER=292891]@kusi18 @fernandoyb @vvise @NetouchAndre @banckzy @ThePhantomAli @Solocapers @McLover F1 @sturk0167 @CrimsonKing @sundaydriving @ARTAsean @Auditore @Cabelmania @Boedefeld @Cerebral303 @pokemonex10 @HatMarris @Nullias @eAxis Patohm @Lost Sheltie [/USER]@racer_xis @Evoholic61 @james_L @Horst__80


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[TheGeologist]

So guys, after living with the new tyre model for a week now, have you decided how you feel about it?


@Coiler @I-Runner @Oner@Topsu @DrifterJoe @vxr58 @bobby2227 @Nielsen @mokalovesoulmat @kalakanto @Endless-Wilso @steefpeef @schnick @micantony @BallPtPenTheif @rumblina @GTP_Versatile @invetedevo @Litchi @r1ryder424 @Doodle @Tex @NanoSaibou @nascarfan1400 @APPIE1615 @ProjectF @H1s6n @rcb929 @SDSPOWER01 @NICKname @Cole @Morgan @IngRobNy @MrWaflz55 @Cowboy @lxmmy @yas @freedom1104 @usmaan @Ax4xGearHead @George @jakob @Cuber Tom @Crona08 @routergod24 @Bond_Villain @Blindside92 @user3392345 @TheGeologist @Typhlosion@SPOOLMAN @Mistah_MCA [USER=292891]@kusi18 @fernandoyb @vvise @NetouchAndre @banckzy @ThePhantomAli @Solocapers @McLover F1 @sturk0167 @CrimsonKing @sundaydriving @ARTAsean @Auditore @Cabelmania Horst__80 @Boedefeld @Cerebral303 @pokemonex10 @HatMarris @Nullias @eAxis Patohm@Evoholic61@Lost Sheltie[/USER]@racer_xis@james_L

Haven't played much between the "weeklies", livery editor low quality bug, and just being busy.

 

[banckzy]

tbh all the events last week I never really played before, so had nothing really to compare against.

However tonight is Interlagos Gr3 which I have played religiously, so will be able to compare a bit better tonight.

 

[Solocapers]

So guys, after living with the new tyre model for a week now, have you decided how you feel about it? You can change your vote in the poll, & I've added a new option too.

Changed to better, although I was hoping that FFB had more of a tweak along with it, doesn't feel like it has much to me anyway.

I still can barely feel the tyres losing grip (G29 - using pcars 2 you can feel the wheel slipping better) Tried the recommended settings in here but the wheel just feels dead.

 

[vxr58]

It's a love/hate thing for me at the moment. I like the more progressive nature of traction loss and that on Gr.3 replays, I can see my arse twichting out on corner exit (I really like that), but the Gr.3 cars now feel like they lack grip, which erodes the whole experience.

I don't think it's really helped with road cars. They still feel utterly ridiculous IMO.

 

[VBR]

It's a love/hate thing for me at the moment.

That's why I added the "Ambivalent" option to the poll.


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[SDSPOWER01]

@VBR Haven't played much over the whole week.

Though I do not have a wheel I can quite feel a difference with the DS4 with this update.
Specifically during one event in GT Mode (I think it was midship challenge) I drove with the Aventador and before the update I just had to be very carefull during braking and turning (because the car would just slide its way out of the road always resulting in me finishing 5th or 4th place).
No sense of grip and driving on ICE as they would call it..

Although the car has a tendency to understeer (ABS weak) braking feels much better and the car definately have a better sense of grip (which reduces my panicking of sliding of track.)

So my vote of dunno changed to better.
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[user3392345]

Changed from Dunno to Ambivalent.
They just should buried their 20 years old crap engine and build a new physic engine from scratch. Or buy the physics engine from Live for Speed

 

[super_gt]

Or buy the physics engine from Live for Speed

This would mean instant buying of PS4 PRO and GTS.

 

[Cowboy]

So guys, after living with the new tyre model for a week now, have you decided how you feel about it? You can change your vote if you want to, & I've also added a new option.

@Coiler @I-Runner @Oner @Topsu @DrifterJoe @vxr58 @bobby2227 @Nielsen @mokalovesoulmat @kalakanto @Endless-Wilso @steefpeef @schnick @micantony @BallPtPenTheif @rumblina @GTP_Versatile @invetedevo @Litchi @r1ryder424 @Doodle @Tex @NanoSaibou @nascarfan1400 @APPIE1615 @ProjectF @H1s6n @rcb929 @SDSPOWER01 @NICKname @Cole @Morgan @IngRobNy @MrWaflz55 @Cowboy @lxmmy @yas @freedom1104 @usmaan @Ax4xGearHead @George @jakob @Cuber Tom @Crona08 @routergod24 @Bond_Villain @Blindside92 @user3392345 @TheGeologist @Typhlosion @SPOOLMAN @Mistah_MCA [USER=292891]@kusi18 @fernandoyb @vvise @NetouchAndre @banckzy @ThePhantomAli @Solocapers @McLover F1 @sturk0167 @CrimsonKing @sundaydriving @ARTAsean @Auditore @Cabelmania @Boedefeld @Cerebral303 @pokemonex10 @HatMarris @Nullias @eAxis Patohm @Lost Sheltie [/USER]@racer_xis @Evoholic61 @james_L @Horst__80


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Me, @JeepXJFreak, and @JR98 had two very intense races at St Croix B yesterday. I used the Huracan GT3 in the second race and it felt much better compared to previous updates, and it won by .016 seconds!

 

[VBR]

They just should buried their 20 years old crap engine and build a new physic engine from scratch.

As far as I know that's what they do anyway, build a new physics engine from scratch for every game. That's half the problem imho because it's far better to build on something & get it working, than to keep scrapping it & starting from scratch every time.

 

[Auditore]

Doesn't GT5 and GT6 use the same engine?

 

[VBR]

Doesn't GT5 and GT6 use the same engine?

LMGTFY: https://www.polygon.com/2013/6/12/4...ls-core-game-with-new-physics-graphics-and-ui


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[BallPtPenTheif]

After playing a little more this week I can honestly say that the new tire model has totally ruined my lap times. That in conjunction with the Weekly Races means that times are insanely more competitive and my DR B status is going to rapidly drop to a C if I can't get my lap times back up.

The primary issue for me is that the window for a clean trail brake feels far more narrow now and getting too heavy with the brake or too early with the throttle scrubs a lot more speed than it used to. Feathering into an oversteer is way easier than it was before and though it's easy to reel it back in, the speed lost while bringing control back from an oversteer appears to be more drastic.

TLDR: New tire model turned my sloppy trail brakes into short drifts and my lap times went down.

All of that being said, the new tire model does feel better in terms of fidelity as now I can drive with TCS set to 0 (I used to drive TCS 1) and still get times on par with my TCS 1 performance. So at the moment I'm just going to race offline until I reacclimatize myself to the tire model and can perform again at a DR B pace.

 

[JR98]

Me, @JeepXJFreak, and @JR98 had two very intense races at St Croix B yesterday. I used the Huracan GT3 in the second race and it felt much better compared to previous updates, and it won by .016 seconds!

The race in question



By far one of the best races I've ever had online

 

[MisterWaffles]

I tried driving the 458 at Kyoto Yamigawa with Sports Softs and the car feels much easier to drive than before the update. It feels less like it’s on ice and it’s more controllable under braking and through the corners.

They’re still not able to pull off the crazy feats of GT6’s road cars, but I think that’s a good thing. Leave the race car stuff for the race cars.

Driving the Honda 2&4, I could have sworn I saw the tire flex visibly happening around Tsukuba, and I could have swore I felt it too. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable with tire flex can explain that.

 

[Beevster]

I've just been playing again after being away on holiday for a week, and I honestly have no idea whether I prefer it or not.

I did a few of race C today, and I lost around 4000DR because I can't seem to corner smoothly or get a quick time. I'm having more understeer issues on the long corners and spins in the slow corners.

I suppose this is all because it's more realistic now, which means it's harder to drive quickly on a DS4. But to be honest, I don't know whether it's my driving style, I'm just bad at the track. Or perhaps it's simply because I have a few days less practice with the new tyres.

I did some practice laps at Dragon Trail Seaside afterwards and I felt like I could drive almost as well there as I could before the update, so maybe it was Le Croix that I was struggling with.

One thing I also tried was using the Group C Nissan and 787b at Interlagos. They were were tougher to handle, while during the curcuit experience for Le Mans in the 919, the lap times were about the same. I think the LMP1s will be even quicker compared to the Group Cs, and if so I hope that motivates Polyphony to seperate Gr.1 (although the sky falling down tomorrow is more likely than PD ever getting around to it).

try too keep on the racing line better follow the cones, and see if you can handle the car better, Im not 100% sure myself but i get the feeling your racing line has to be better to get the maximum grip.

Having said that you can jump curbs if the slight lack of grip is beneficial for that particular corner, So choose wisely.

 

[sturk0167]

So guys, after living with the new tyre model for a week now, have you decided how you feel about it? You can change your vote if you want to, & I've also added a new option.

@Coiler @I-Runner @Oner @Topsu @DrifterJoe @vxr58 @bobby2227 @Nielsen @mokalovesoulmat @kalakanto @Endless-Wilso @steefpeef @schnick @micantony @BallPtPenTheif @rumblina @GTP_Versatile @invetedevo @Litchi @r1ryder424 @Doodle @Tex @NanoSaibou @nascarfan1400 @APPIE1615 @ProjectF @H1s6n @rcb929 @SDSPOWER01 @NICKname @Cole @Morgan @IngRobNy @MrWaflz55 @Cowboy @lxmmy @yas @freedom1104 @usmaan @Ax4xGearHead @George @jakob @Cuber Tom @Crona08 @routergod24 @Bond_Villain @Blindside92 @user3392345 @TheGeologist @Typhlosion @SPOOLMAN @Mistah_MCA [USER=292891]@kusi18 @fernandoyb @vvise @NetouchAndre @banckzy @ThePhantomAli @Solocapers @McLover F1 @sturk0167 @CrimsonKing @sundaydriving @ARTAsean @Auditore @Cabelmania @Boedefeld @Cerebral303 @pokemonex10 @HatMarris @Nullias @eAxis Patohm @Lost Sheltie [/USER]@racer_xis @Evoholic61 @james_L @Horst__80
To me, it feels like just a small difference. I'm fine with it.

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[banckzy]

Now that Interlagos has come around in the dailies which I played often in the past, I have to say the tyre model feels quite different!

Just me or tremendous amounts of understeer?

I could only manage a 1:32.700 in the Lexus

 

[TheNorfolkDad]

Changed vote to ambivalent. N-class is way better, no doubt about it.

(Edit: with Gr.3 cars...)
My two gripes are, understeer with minimal throttle out of low speed corners, surely not right? I get that it’s supposed to be more difficult on corner exit but on certain corners it’s just silly.

My other gripe is when flat out and the road curves, should my car be spinning with minimal steering input? I don’t think so but I could be wrong, I’ve never driven a GT300 in real life.

 

[VBR]

My other gripe is when flat out and the road curves, should my car be spinning with minimal steering input? I don’t think so but I could be wrong, I’ve never driven a GT300 in real life.

I drove a Clio Cup race car on hard semi-slicks & a Caterham 7 Superlight R500 on hard slicks at a track day in 2009, with no rev or speed limits, & an instructor screaming in my ear to go faster/brake later/not brake at all. They never broke loose at full throttle while doing high speed turns, not even once. In fact, the R500 wriggled laterally as it exited high speed corners, slithering like a snake, & with absolutely no need of countersteer (I was flat out on the throttle). That said, I've never driven super cars in anger on road tyres at race tracks. At least the cars in GT Sport are easier to catch in 1.23 when they do start to go on the rear end.

 

[sems4arsenal]

I drove a Clio Cup race car on hard semi-slicks & a Caterham Superlight R500 on hard slicks at a track day in 2009, with no rev or speed limits, & an instructor screaming in my ear to go faster/brake later/not brake at all. They never broke loose at full throttle while doing high speed turns, not even once. In fact, the R500 wriggled laterally as it exited high speed corners, slithering like a snake, & with absolutely no need of counter steer (I was flat out on the throttle as well). That said, I've never driven super cars in anger on road tyres at race tracks.

At least the cars in GT Sport are easier to catch in 1.23 when they do start to go on the rear end.

Huhh, I've driven the Caterham and it didn't want to go straight at all. Not sure what tires it was on though. The 370Z cup car was glued to the track.