Presidential Election: 2012

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That's fine. Stop talking down to people who believe in God in that thread in that case.

I did remember? You banned me... But it´s interesting how you brought that into this discussion...

That was your first attempt at rebuttal (by providing exactly the material I said you'd provide). If you didn't think it through, it scarcely seems like an attempt.

Jibberish. Again, stop taking stuff out of your own ass.

Certainly. Silvio Berlusconi has a degree in Law gained from Milan in 1961. I have a BSc. in Molecular Biology gained from UEA in 1999 and an MSc. in Human Genetics and Disease gained from Sheffield Hallam in 2000. I have a registered IQ of 172.


Your move.


I quit school after 9th grade. Decided to make money instead. see you have a good score there, i assume you are apart of Mensa?
The group with a very specific intelligence.

Ah, more belief.

Nope not really.

In English. In Italian they have a Presidente del Consiglio dei Ministri (who isn't Silvio Berlusconi - he resigned two days ago. Do keep up with the news) and a Presidente della Repubblica. Since they are Italian, the Italian titles are appropriate and the assumption that the English titles are correct is arrogant.

Also, notice the post I made before your objection:

Yes i do know that. But still you miss the point by either taking stuff out of your own ass or simply try to steer the specific discussion at another direction.

Silvio was not the President of Italy. He was a Prime Minister.

If you drew that conclusion, you inferred something from what was written that was not implied (note the use of the impersonal "one holds"/"one hold" rather than "you"). Your inferral = your problem.

Nope, your problem.

There were four options (voting public are stupid, voting public are easy to pay off; voting public are stupid and easy to pay off; voting system is corrupt) and I don't see any evidence presented by you for any of them.

More belief, it seems.

Some voters are stupid / the system is corrupt.

Still haven´t found any evidence on the fact that Santa does not exist. All you have to do is put on your shoes and start looking.
 
^ Lol Famine owning at an American presidential discussion even when he doesn't come from the USA.

Keep up the good work. 👍
 
Still haven´t found any evidence on the fact that Santa does not exist. All you have to do is put on your shoes and start looking.

That's not how it works. Has been covered over and over and over and over.

You say he exist. You provide evidence.

Stop this nonsense while you still can post here, you add nothing, absolutely nothing to this and other threads.
 
^ Lol Famine owning at an American presidential discussion even when he doesn't come from the USA.

Keep up the good work. 👍

UK...USA.... These days it´s pretty much the same.


That's not how it works. Has been covered over and over and over and over.

You say he exist. You provide evidence.

Stop this nonsense while you still can post here, you add nothing, absolutely nothing to this and other threads.

You say he does not exist. YOU provide evidence.

It goes both ways.
 
Dennisch
Stop this nonsense while you still can post here, you add nothing, absolutely nothing to this and other threads.

👍

The inability to remain calm when someone doesn't agree with his views is something he still has to practice.
 
UK...USA.... These days it´s pretty much the same.




You say he does not exist. YOU provide evidence.

It goes both ways.

:lol:

Ok, I've waited for 10 years near the fireplace in my house to see him put presents underneat the tree, it seemed my parents put the presents under the tree, not Santa.

Please leave.
 
How is Ron Paul not running away with the Republican nomination?

He's the only one that hasn't made a rock look smarter than the party.:lol:

He can win debates, but it's hard to notice when only given 90 seconds out of an hour.
 
:lol:

Ok, I've waited for 10 years near the fireplace in my house to see him put presents underneat the tree, it seemed my parents put the presents under the tree, not Santa.

Please leave.

Nice proof. Or not.

I´ll leave when you leave.
 
I did remember? You banned me... But it´s interesting how you brought that into this discussion...

I brought it into the discussion a while ago - you're operating on a level of belief. You believe that Bush got his degrees because of family connections. You cannot provide any evidence for it, but you believe it. Yet in the God thread you talk down to people who believe in God and cannot provide any evidence for that. Whither hypocrisy?

Jibberish. Again, stop taking stuff out of your own ass.

You chose to rebut "Bush is just a poor public speaker" by showing videos of Bush being a poor public speaker. I've yet to see any gaffes of his at the level of the one I provided of Berlusconi being racist, sexist and sexually harassing businesswomen... Come on, they should be easy to find if your assertion is true...

I quit school after 9th grade. Decided to make money instead.

Bush did both. Surely you're more intelligent than Bush the idiot who has a low IQ and only managed to gain an MBA from Harvard and make an 8 figure fortune?



What's that Skippy? The old abandoned mine workings?


Nope not really.

Something you assert to be true yet provide no evidence or argument to support it. Sounds like belief to me.

No comment on "terrorist" Bush acting on forged information from non-terrorist-due-to-smaller-numbers Berlusconi, I see.


Yes i do know that. But still you miss the point by either taking stuff out of your own ass or simply try to steer the specific discussion at another direction.

Silvio was not the President of Italy. He was a Prime Minister.

In English, and as I stated to Strittan before you had a tantrum about it. In Italian he was Presidente del Consiglio dei Ministri - President of the Council of Ministers - and, since he's Italian, the Italian title is more apt. It requires colossal arrogance to pretend the English title is more correct.

Nope, your problem.

I got 99 problems, but the inner workings of your brain ain't one.

Any conclusions you draw from reading something are your problem, not the writer's. Your inferrals are your issue and yours alone.


Some voters are stupid / the system is corrupt.

Prove the latter. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Incidentally, Berlusconi has been on trial for corruption and propaganda issues. Bush hasn't.


Still haven´t found any evidence on the fact that Santa does not exist.

You cannot prove non-existence. Go look up "non-falsifiable" again. Also, note that I didn't make any claims about Santa, but you have made very many claims in this thread that can easily be proven if true. That you have not even bothered speaks volumes - you're operating off belief in things you cannot prove.

All you have to do is put down the spade and stop digging...
 
"You cannot prove non-existence."

And you have proof that he doesn´t exist? Show me.

That's the same thing...

It goes both ways.

Actually, it only goes one way. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. No-one has made any claims about Santa Claus, so no-one is beholden to provide any evidence for those claims - it's just a poor, diversionary tactic you've decided to employ. You have made claims that Bush's degrees were due to connections rather than intelligence and that the US electoral system is corrupt. You are required to provide evidence for those claims, or they are just as dismissable as any other belief.
 
Famine
I brought it into the discussion a while ago - you're operating on a level of belief. You believe that Bush got his degrees because of family connections. You cannot provide any evidence for it, but you believe it. Yet in the God thread you talk down to people who believe in God and cannot provide any evidence for that. Whither hypocrisy?

All you have to do is put down the spade and stop digging...

I apologise for my numerous intrusions in thus thread when I have contributed nothing to the on-topic discussion, but to be quite honest I'm quite offended. Very well put Famine.

This guy has continually spoken down upon supporters of the existence of a God in the God thread. He basically called people stupid by using the same type of defence that he is using now, in this thread.
The reason I find this wrong is because it indicates that he thinks his opinions deserve more right over others, regardless of the content which he is arguing for or against.

As Famine said, stop digging. Admit your obvious faults in which you have displayed upon arguing in these threads. Say sorry, not to me, but to everyone you have spoken down upon in the God thread.
 
I'd just like to add 2 cents here:

1st cent - Both George W Bush and Silvio Berlusconi are VERY INTELLIGENT persons. Do not confuse good / bad character with intelligence (or lack of it).

This, particularly, made me smile:
Nice, nobody has said Silvio is a smart dude.

I think Silvio Berlusconi would outsmart you or me with his eyes closed and even half-asleep.

2nd cent - Just to clear this a bit. SB's position was the equivalent to the British PM. Head of the executive. The legislative body is the Parliament. The President of Italy's Republic is also elected by the Parliament and his job is mainly honorific, although he has veto power over certain decisions from both other constitucional bodies (Parliament and Executive).
 
Actually, it only goes one way. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. No-one has made any claims about Santa Claus, so no-one is beholden to provide any evidence for those claims - it's just a poor, diversionary tactic you've decided to employ. You have made claims that Bush's degrees were due to connections rather than intelligence and that the US electoral system is corrupt. You are required to provide evidence for those claims, or they are just as dismissable as any other belief.

Actually it goes both ways.

You claim he does not exist. To make that claim you must have proof of it, otherwise it´s just a belief that Santa does not exist.

Again, prove to me that Bush got his degrees fair and square.
Prove to me that the voting system in USA has not been tampered with.

If you can´t prove any of this then all you have is beliefs. Just like me.
 
Actually it goes both ways.

You claim he does not exist. To make that claim you must have proof of it, otherwise it´s just a belief that Santa does not exist.

Again, prove to me that Bush got his degrees fair and square.
Prove to me that the voting system in USA has not been tampered with.

If you can´t prove any of this then all you have is beliefs. Just like me.

You know, it seems a run over toad has better discussion skills than you have.

Probably, and i bet you and me could outsmart Bush just as easily.

Sorry, but :lol:
 
Strittan
Hey, you're in the wrong thread.

Yes, but he is using the same defence in this thread which he basically called me stupid for using in the God thread. I want a response directly why he thinks he has priority over others in a discussion.
 
You claim he does not exist. To make that claim you must have proof of it, otherwise it´s just a belief that Santa does not exist.

Again, prove to me that Bush got his degrees fair and square.
Prove to me that the voting system in USA has not been tampered with.

If you can´t prove any of this then all you have is beliefs. Just like me.

Yea, I see what you're thinking, but you're missing something. Watch Southpark? They recently pointed out that there is no evidence to suggest that the thanksgiving pilgrims weren't aliens.

See, you can make any outlandish claim you want in the absence of evidence - none of it is supported. All of the existing evidence supports the fact that the pilgrims were human beings (our records of them coming from England, descendants, the fact that the natives recognized them as having human characteristics such as walking upright and having two eyes, two legs etc. etc.). Now, none of that evidence PROVES that they were humans, but it has to be the ASSUMPTION in the absence of any contrary facts. The more outlandish the claim (like the notion that they were aliens), the more evidence is required to outweigh the existing evidence.

Bush graduated from Yale with a history degree. That's not exactly astounding. Bush got reasonable scores on his SATs, so his admissions application to Yale suggests that he should be accepted. He chose an easy major and got middling grades to graduate. None of that suggests that he was a rocket scientist, or astonishingly brilliant. It also suggests that he wouldn't have needed any help (other than someone to pay the tuition).

5 years after graduating, with some valuable experience in business (presumably a result of the Bush family being involved in business), he would have a good transcript to get in to Harvard business school (again, gotta pay the tuition). An MBA is more about practical application rather than theory, something Bush would have had much access to given the environment in which he grew up, which would give him a leg up over other students. It's not a stretch by any means to think that he could achieve that without pressures on the institution.

By contrast, to suggest that he required some sort assistance not only requires that we impeach the character of Harvard and Yale as institutions, but also that we figure out how exactly this influence would reach individual professors at the institution. It requires a network of activity that is most likely not in the interest of the institutions (given that it would degrade the value of their degrees, make it harder for them to retain good instructors, and could result in a horrible scandal for the university). So it is on you to establish that TWO SEPARATE universities did, in fact, act against their own interest in a complex conspiracy levied on dozens of instructors (each with their own level of integrity) all to achieve a fairly pedestrian result.

Bush also showed a great deal of intelligence in office. I would argue moreso than Obama. So when establishing that Bush is an idiot, one needs to counteract that evidence as well.

One thing I love most about the "Bush is an idiot" argument, is that the same people that make that argument often make the "conspiracy to take Iraq's oil" argument (which hasn't panned out in the slightest). But regardless, which is it? Is he an evil genius manipulating public opinion and masterminding a carefully planned Iraqi takeover all designed to covertly pump funds into his pockets and the pockets of oil companies through a vast network of business connections? Or is he an idiot? You can't make both accusations.
 
Actually it goes both ways.

Nope. The claimant provides the evidence.

You claim he does not exist.

Where?

Again, prove to me that Bush got his degrees fair and square.
Prove to me that the voting system in USA has not been tampered with.

You're the claimant, you provide evidence of your claims. Moreover you're breaching Occam's Razor by some margin - read Danoff's post and learn.
 
One thing I love most about the "Bush is an idiot" argument, is that the same people that make that argument often make the "conspiracy to take Iraq's oil" argument (which hasn't panned out in the slightest). But regardless, which is it? Is he an evil genius manipulating public opinion and masterminding a carefully planned Iraqi takeover all designed to covertly pump funds into his pockets and the pockets of oil companies through a vast network of business connections? Or is he an idiot? You can't make both accusations.
While he may be a lot smarter than people think, if the "oil conspiracy" argument is true, I'm having a hard time thinking Bush planned that one on his own, even if he could.
 
Actually it goes both ways.

You claim he does not exist. To make that claim you must have proof of it, otherwise it´s just a belief that Santa does not exist.

Again, prove to me that Bush got his degrees fair and square.
Prove to me that the voting system in USA has not been tampered with.

If you can´t prove any of this then all you have is beliefs. Just like me.
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That is me. That's right, GTP. I am famous basketball player Michael Jordan. Prove I'm not.










Incidentally, hampus, your demands that Famine provide proof for the nonexistence of Santa Claus are rather odd considering you were the one who brought his nonexistence up in the first place.
 
You can't prove that something doesn't exist. If there is a lack of existence, then by default there will be a lack of evidence to prove the lack of existence, because there is nothing to prove because it doesn't exist.
 
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