PS3 General Discussion

bwahahaha. That's hilarious. Sony really just surprised everyone. "Limited Range" is 1000 games? Wow.

Still, that's under 50%, but I'd be willing to best most of the big name titles are going to work (Toca, FF, MGS, God of War, etc). I bet almost ALL first party titles will work as well.
 
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Well, it looks like I'm about to do some business with EB Games. Going to pick up F1 and preorder Halo 3 and GTA IV (if possible, I doubt I can yet). I'll leave some first impressions in the F1 thread once I get it, and that'll include G25 use.
 
Well, EB was sold out (surprised about that) so I put $20 down on GTA IV for PS3 and $25 on Halo 3 Legendary Edition. I'll probably find it somewhere else this weekend.
 
Well, here's something interesting:

http://kotaku.com/gaming/sony/rumor-sony-to-unveil-playstation-home-240746.php

Kotaku
We just received a very interesting tip that, while juicy and quite believable, we're labeling as rumor for now. As you are probably well aware, GDC executive director Jamil Moledina set Sony's Phil Harrison up for the spike yesterday, claiming that PLAYSTATION 3 owners will be "very happy" when Phil's keynote takes place next week. Could the PlayStation Home, Sony's blending of achievements and Miis be that big surprise?
While the rumor seems to make sense, keep in mind while reading through it that it came from an anonymous source and that the half-dozen development studios we spoke with hadn't heard a thing about it.
Sony, when contacted earlier today, said they do not comment on rumors or speculation.
Playstation Home sounds like it could be an interesting, lo-fi, killer app, as described by our source.
Basically, you get to make an avatar for your console (like a Mii) and this avatar has a room. As you play games and accomplish certain tasks, you will receive items with which to adorn the room that are specific to the game (achievements). The kicker is that this is going to be a new requirement for every PS3 game...
This also sounds kind of like it could fulfill the promise Sony made at last year's GDC keynote to bring social networking to the PS3.
So we move from product based to service based, starting with packaged product augmented by downloadble content. We'll enhance this with social networks, the MySpace experience, this will be a key part of the PlayStation3 going forward. What brings it to life is the voice chat, the text chat, the video, the social features we're building in for the future.
Rooting around some recent (and not so recent) comments from Sony spokespeople, we find some things that might just validate this.
From Phil's recently published DICE interview with Newsweek editor N'Gai Croal comes this tidbit, following a discussion on the "lo-fi" approach Nintendo took with their Mii avatars:
If you are going to have an avatar which is your representative in a virtual world, it has to stand for more of your personality than some 2-D cartoons. So while I think that millions of people would be happy with cartoony looks, the planet at large probably isn't. And it's an experiment that will be played out very soon, actually.
From Dutch gaming site Next Generation Gamer comes this choice quote from an unidentified Sony rep:
We have something big coming up for the PlayStation Network, but I can't say anything about that yet. It has something to do with the Home Button on the SIXAXIS controller, and with the community.
Again, this is rumor. Our source continues to remain anonymous. Sony could be announcing the robust set of social features it has been touting for a long time, ones that go beyond voice and video chat, and tap into the collective and competitive feature sets that helped make both Xbox Live and Animal Crossing a hit with gamers.

...And Sony is now blackballing Kotaku because they posted this "rumor".

http://kotaku.com/gaming/top/sony-blackballs-kotaku-240860.php

Kotaku
Earlier today we posted a rumor story on the site about a possible announcement of a new technology coming to Sony's Playstation 3. The Playstation Home, we reported, would be an intriguing blending of the Mii and achievements, allowing gamers to create a virtual world for customized avatars and then decorate that space with items unlocked through game play.
What readers couldn't have known was the great lengths we went to to try and pin down the veracity of the rumor before publishing and, when finally deciding to go live with the rumor, to make sure we put it in the correct context.
In so doing, Sony asked us not to publish the story, first nicely, then not so much. Sony Computer Entertainment of American representatives reminded us that the story was a rumor and then went on to say that publishing it could harm our professional relationship with them.
When I responded that we were going forward with the story and that sometimes news doesn't come from official sources I was told that if we published we would likely be blackballed by the company.
Specifically, they said we would be asked to return our debug PS3, uninvited from all meetings scheduled with Sony at GDC, including one on blogger relations and a one-on-one with Phil Harrison, and that they would no longer deal with us.

Knowing that, we went forward with the story, choosing not to point out the threats.
Shortly after the story ran, and I forwarded it to Dave Karraker, the senior director of corporate communications for Sony Computer Entertainment of America, to point out we did decide to run it.
Here was his response:
Brian, This is an email I was really hoping I would never have to write, but it is what it is. When I came on board here at Sony, I made every effort to be as inclusive as possible to media and the blogging community in an effort to improve previously damaged relationships. This included getting people access to executives, opening our events to more individuals and personally responding as quickly as possible to inquiries. This was done in good faith with the thought that the people I was working with would operate with the same integrity and courtesy I think I demonstrated when I was a reporter. Basically, I went out on a limb for a lot of people -- people SCEA PR and SCEA management had written off. I caught a lot of flack for it from folks, but I felt strongly it was the right thing to do. I am very disappointed that after trying to work with you as closely as possible and provide you and your team with access and information, you chose to report on this rumor.... I can't defend outlets that can't work cooperatively with us.
So, it is for this reason, that we will be canceling all further interviews for Kotaku staff at GDC and will be dis-inviting you to our media event next Tuesday. Until we can find a way to work better together, information provided to your site will only be that found in the public forum.
Again, I take absolutely no joy in sending you this note, but given the situation you have put me into, I have no choice.
Dave Karraker
Sr. Director, Corporate Communications
Sony Computer Entertainment America


I obviously took no joy in receiving it, though I do believe it adds to the veracity of our initial rumor report.
As I told Dave Karraker in reply, this only highlights the differences between what PR people do for a living and what journalists do.
Dave, Obviously I disagree with your decision, but it sounds like your mind is made up. I think this only highlights the differences that PR people and journalists have. My interest is not in making sure that Sony has positive news or that the timing of their news is correct, my job only is to inform the readers of news as quickly and accurately as I can. Hopefully, one day this dispute will settle down and you will reopen communication with us. Know this, while I disagree with this decision and think it is a monumental mistake, it will not effect our continuing coverage of Sony and the gaming software and hardware your company makes and supports. Take care, Brian
Sony's decision is disappointing, not because of what it means to Kotaku, but because of what it means to the industry.

...And after Sony's response, this definitely seems like we'll have this "PlayStation Home". And quite honestly, it seems kickass. First they solved the rumble issue... now they're solving the achievement issue.
 
More stuff...

Supposedly "gofreak" on NeoGAF found the patent for Playstation Home.

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5688324&postcount=129

And here's also what Philly Cheesestake is going to say in his GDC keynote:

Details from Phil Harrison- Sony Computer Worldwide Studios
Keynote at GDC March 7th 2007:

Anouncements:

Firmware update available on the 8th for North America/Japan and Asia. European PS3's will be preloaded with this latest update.

Features of this latest firmware include:

More refined PS Store frontend
Playstation Network integrity enhanced
Wallpapers from pictures
Ability to change background colours
Sony Connect Store for music and movies added to the PS Store. Hundreds of trailers/full films/song videos and mps3's available for download.
Playstation Card option in PS Store enabled.
Playstation Lifestyle- Similar to my space/youtube. User generated content and experiences are the key.
+ more.

Removal of Emotion Engine chips in PS3's in NA and Japan to follow in April. Reason for this is to reduce costs and focus on enhanced opportunities via software. Benefits include the ability to upscale selected PSone/PS2 games to 1080i/720p.

Lots of development talk.
Release dates for key games. Warhawk in June/July 2007. Heavenly Sword delayed. Killzone and MGS4 in late 2007.

New content on PS Store available on the 8th:

Tekken 6 trailer
Lair demo & trailer
Rainbow Six Vegas demo
EA: Skate trailer
Battlefield Bad Company trailer
Warhawk demo
Virtua Fighter 5 demo
Virtua Tennis 3 demo & trailer
GRAW 2: trailer
Mortal Kombat 2 game
Killzone trailer

Killzone demo for May.

More details. Stay tuned on the 7th.

http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/index.php?fn=view_thread&t=846685
 
Journalists think they are in some sort of elite status that they can report on anything, fact of fiction. When someone is leaking information and some journalist reports it, it will damage the company, and that said company will do anything to remove that threat. Kotaku should have just pulled the story and stated that Sony told us to remove it, we report, you decide. End of story, right? Wrong, since Kotaku thinks they are just to damned elite to be bullied by Sony.
 
Duck is on a role tonight with some awesome and informative news. + rep.

Personally, i agree with everyone else, in that i think the playstation home idea is awesome.
 
Journalists think they are in some sort of elite status that they can report on anything, fact of fiction.
That's because they do have that power.
Viper Zero
When someone is leaking information and some journalist reports it, it will damage the company, and that said company will do anything to remove that threat.
Care to explain how it would have damaged the company? I can understand how in some cases that would be the case. I can't see how it would be that way here.
Viper Zero
Kotaku should have just pulled the story and stated that Sony told us to remove it, we report, you decide. End of story, right?
Sony does not have the right to do so, and very rarely does a company win out in this sort of situation. Sony over-reacted, and now they are going to get bad press for the tantrum they threw instead of the good press they would have gotten if they just ignored the story. In addition, as Duck said, by reacting the way they did they have pretty much confirmed the story anyways.
Viper Zero
Wrong, since Kotaku thinks they are just to damned elite to be bullied by Sony.
So? Sony has bullied so many companies around in the past year or so that it is refreshing to see someone stand up to them, especially since it was a feature everyone knew was coming anyways and most are probably indifferent to.





Edit: Well, now it just looks like a whole big PR stunt or something.

Article
What a hellish day it has been today. Both for Kotaku and I'm sure team Sony.

First to summarize: We posted a rumor after Sony asked us not to and they emailed to say we were no longer welcome at any of their private GDC events and that they would no longer provide us with any information found outside of the public forums.

We posted said e-mail and the Internet imploded.

First, I have to say thank you to all of the websites, newspapers, magazines, people who were so quick to come to our defense and supported our decision to stand by our story.

Second, I want to thank Dave Karraker, head of SCEA PR, who was big enough to call me and talk the whole thing through after this exploded.


He told me his take on the story and his frustrations and I told him mine, in the end we agreed to disagree on some level, but also decided that our readers and gamers in general would be best served if Sony and Kotaku could still play nicely together.

In a nutshell: The story remains up and Sony has re-invited us to the meetings and interviews initially scheduled for the Game Developers Conference.

It's unfortunate that we, not just Kotaku and Sony, but all of us had to go through this, but it's good to see the outcome: We were doing our job and Sony was doing theirs and now we can both continue to do so.
 
Well, the PS3 is getting DVD upscaling. And if that's possible, that means 720p-games-on-1080i-only-TVs will happen at the same time.

Kotaku
Considering there's been "other" Sony-related goings-on today, this has slipped under the radar a bit. In concluding his marathon interview with N'Gai Croal, Phil Harrison let slip that the PS3 was soon going to feature DVD upscaling.


I think in order to engender trust in our users, we have to share some things that might be not quite perfect, but are ready to give you an indication of what's coming. So we could say, "You know, we're not sure when it's coming, but we're going to have DVD upscaling on Playstation 3." There you go. There's a scoop for you.

Might just be me, but if it's true and not just there to "engender trust", I like. A little spit and polish on the perfectly-fine DVDs I already own will do me just fine, thank you very much Blu-Ray.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/ps3-getting-dvd-upscaling-240896.php

And there's more scoop on that PS Home patent.

Kotaku
When we ran the rumor that Sony was planning to unveil an extension of the PlayStation framework in the form of PlayStation Home, it was time to do some sleuthing. One of the first things you do in a case like this is visit the United States Patent and Trademark Office to see what floats to the top. So that's what I did. When "PlayStation Home" didn't turn up, I thought it strange. Fortunately, our huge fans over at NeoGAF (hi, guys!) did some digging, including super detective "gofreak" who, with Herculean effort, decided to click to the second page of results when searching for trademarks registered by Sony Computer Entertainment. There it was. PlayStation Home. Details on the trademark follow.
So what is PlayStation Home, as defined by the trademark? This:
IC 009. US 021 023 026 036 038. G & S: Computer game software; electronic devices for the wireless receipt, storage and/or transmission of data and messages; computer software for conducting and coordinating real-time and asynchronous communications among computer users sharing information and audio/video data via electronic communications networks; downloadable electronic publications; sound and/or video recordings featuring music and entertainment, television programs, motion pictures, news, sports, games, cultural events, and entertainment-related programs of all kinds; downloadable digital sound and/or video recordings featuring music and entertainment, television programs, motion pictures, news, sports, games, cultural events, and entertainment-related programs of all kinds; computer software to allow users to perform electronic business transactions via the Internet IC 041. US 100 101 107. G & S: Electronic games services provided by means of the Internet; Internet games (non-downloadable); organizing of games; entertainment services provided online and/or via a computer database for matching users for the transfer or sharing of music, video and audio recordings via communications networks; providing on-line chat rooms and electronic bulletin boards for transmission of messages among users in the field of general interest; providing of an on-line service enabling physically remote players of an electronic game to search on-line for other players and to communicate with selected players during the game; organizing, staging and the provision of on-line tournaments; entertainment by means of wireless television broadcasts
IC 042. US 100 101. G & S: Hosting on-line web facilities for others for organizing and conducting meetings, gatherings, interactive discussions and interactive game play; computer services in the nature of customised web pages for featuring game player information, including information regarding a player's identity and the player's preferences; hosting the computer sites of others on a computer service for a global network; creating and maintaining computer sites for others; website design services; creation and development of virtual and interactive images and environments; providing on-line access to computer networks, computer databases, the Internet, on-line bulletin boards, virtual worlds and libraries of text, graphics and audio-visual and multimedia information and entertainment
IC 045. US 100 101. G & S: Introduction and social networking services, namely introducing electronic game players to others

That ought to clear it up! While verbose, these broad-based trademarks have some meat to them, but also contain some very "cover your ass" kind of registrants. Of note are the "customised web pages for featuring game player information", "software to allow users to perform electronic business transactions" , and "downloadable digital sound and/or video recordings featuring music and entertainment, television programs, motion pictures, news, sports, games, cultural events, and entertainment-related programs of all kinds."
That could potentially mean purchases outside of the PlayStation Store, downloadable media via the Home platform, and a dozen other things that make the service a very robust and useful piece of software. We're looking forward to Sony's upcoming GDC announcements like you wouldn't believe.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/sony/playstation-home-the-trademark-240868.php



Holy crap, hell has frozen over. I'm beating everyone to the punch news-wise plus the PS3 is getting a lot of great news.
 
I think I'm more excited about the European Launch than I was for the US Launch now that we'll be getting some needed features!

+++++rep to SONY. :D

and Duck too!

Edit: Now they just need to require that all current games be patched to have "achievements" and FFB/rumble support. And chat support.
 
If you mean did they use the ps3 as some sort of phallus to violate the world of videogames.....









then yes, I think they may have just done that
 
That's because they do have that power.


No, they do not. Journalists cannot just make up stories or post rumors.


What would happen if someone leaked pictures of the iPhone before Steve Jobs presented it at Mac World? Same thing, Apple just wasted time and effort, so has Sony. Would it not be funny if Sony doesn't discuss this "Playstation Home" at all during GDC? Sites like Kotaku, Joystiq, 1UP, and IGN are just tabloids. It is really ridiculous now.

I don't think journalists can run around playing gotcha! like this. I believe it hurts both sides. IMO, Sony has every right to be pissin' mad.

 
No, they do not. Journalists cannot just make up stories or post rumors.
So, The Onion is? Actually, if they admit it is made up or a rumor they have done no legal wrongdoing, which is why this isn't a lawsuit, but rather just Sony saying, "Screw you guys. I'm going home."

What would happen if someone leaked pictures of the iPhone before Steve Jobs presented it at Mac World? Same thing, Apple just wasted time and effort,
Wait, are you referring to this two-year-old case that Apple lost?
http://informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=57701119
http://www.futuremusic.com/news/june2006/applelosesbloggersuit.html

I mean, granted those were about the iMac, not the iPhone, but it is the same thing.

Now, later that case went on to become a second lawsuit:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/04/24/apple_blogger_appeal/
This is totally different as someone leaked "trade secrets" and Apple won, but had to pay the legal expenses of the defendants. But the case wasn't against the bloggers, rather the leakers within Apple's own company. The bloggers were merely subpoenaed to reveal their sources.

Would it not be funny if Sony doesn't discuss this "Playstation Home" at all during GDC? Sites like Kotaku, Joystiq, 1UP, and IGN are just tabloids. It is really ridiculous now.
Actually rumor sites build anticipation, making everyone want to see what is coming up. If it weren't for rumor sites like these you wouldn't see game trailers and images outside of what is shown at GDC, E3, etc or what gets posted online. No one would review the games for you to allow you multiple points of view to decide whether you want to buy the game or not and you will find yourself purchasing a few more games you don't like just because it had a pretty box. I owned E.T. on the Atari and I will never make that kind of mistake again. These sites play a large role in helping me decide if I want to go ahead and buy a game or rent it first. Without them I would just have a list of titles with release dates for a lot of stuff.

So, building up
I don't think journalists can run around playing gotcha! like this. I believe it hurts both sides. IMO, Sony has every right to be pissin' mad.
Allow me to educate you on the history of journalism, at least in America. Journalists in general basically began as a watchdog group. They do this to government and to corporations. As long as they are not showing bias one way or the other they are only doing you a service. Imagine if someone told Edward R Murrow that he couldn't research rumors about McCarthy or Woodward and Bernstein were prevented from printing rumors from a source about the Nixon administration.

Do some research on who the founding fathers of this country are and why they started a revolution. You will realize that playing "gotcha!" is how this country got started.
 
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