PS3 General Discussion

[jgda9rs]

that is sheerly a matter of opinion and one that I strongly disagree with...

amen

 

[Solid Fro]

And downright 1 that anyone knows about. I fail to see how quantity eclipses quality, though.

Name one on the 360 besides Halo 3. I had to tell people about Bioshock, they had no clue what it was. After telling them it was a FPS, they didn't seem much interested in the game.

I wouldn't say Gears or Bioshock is disqualified seeing as Microsoft have an interest in the PC and 360 (for obvious reasons).

Then UT3 is now un-disqualified for PS3, using that logic.

I'm pretty sure Mass Effect (as an RPG similar to KOTOR) appeals to a wide audience despite having a few things which needed to be fixed up (the equipment screen for example).

Not really. Mass Effect has sold 1.6 million copies so far. Compare that to 8.1 copies of Halo 3 just over 100 days. Some 17.7 million 360s have been sold world wide.

I don't know, I failed Algebra 2, but 8 is bigger than ~2.

Since we're counting multiplatform as only PS3 and 360 (based on Ferrari Challenge not being on 360) I'd say TDU, Forza 2, PGR 3 and 4, Dead Rising, Crackdown, Ace Combat 6, Halo 3 and Saints Row were and are still very appealing games.

I'll give you Dead Rising, it's very popular with the nerds. Other than that, only fanboys can love each of those games.

At the moment the only exclusive PS3 game that appeals to me are Motorstorm, Uncharted and Ratchet and Clank. Although I will say like I said before, I see a brighter future for the PS3 than 360 this year.

Just look at the release list for PS3.

 

[Tornado]

Name one on the 360 besides Halo 3. I had to tell people about Bioshock, they had no clue what it was. After telling them it was a FPS, they didn't seem much interested in the game.

Perfect Dark Zero, off the top of my head. I would also love to know why you care (meaning, I know perfectly well why, but I want you hear what you will say about it).
I said that I don't think that there is another game on the PS3 that can touch BioShock (in direct reply to your talk of its arguable quality). The fact that the PS3 may or may not have more shooters doesn't matter and is totally irrelevant to my point.
I know you have an unrelenting desire to go out of your way to blindly defend the PS3 when no one was even slanting it, but perhaps reading could be of help to you.

And, by the way:

Not really. Mass Effect has sold 1.6 million copies so far. Compare that to 8.1 copies of Halo 3 just over 100 days. Some 17.7 million 360s have been sold world wide.

1.6 million copies of a game isn't a failure by any stretch.

I don't know, I failed Algebra 2, but 8 is bigger than ~2.

I didn't flunk out of logic, and I could tell you that just because a game doesn't have as wide of an audience as Halo (which is roughly 75% of the games on the market) doesn't mean it isn't a wide audience.

Other than that, only fanboys can love each of those games.

That is hilarious fallacy, and too stupid of a sentence to even bother rebutting. What is your definition of a game that only fanboys would love? 360 exclusives? You're funny.

Just look at the release list for PS3.

So, you are slanting him for what? Did he not already say the PS3 would have a better upcoming year? Or was it that he did not not say that the 360 was going to have a year of pure trash, and that no one ever should buy another one.

 

[Solid Fro]

Perfect Dark Zero, off the top of my head. I would also love to know why you care (meaning, I know perfectly well why, but I want you hear what you will say about it).

Ha!

I'll pretend you were referring to this Perfect Dark and move on:

I never said 1.6 million copies of a game is a failure. It is just not close to a game that is acceptable to a wide audience (Halo 3 at 8 million copies). With games like PGR, AC6, etc., no one is going to run out and buy a 360 for those games. That is where my fanboy statement came from. I would consider a 360 just for AC6 because I nut over any Ace Combat game (and so do the Japanese).

 

[Vasco]

Name one on the 360 besides Halo 3. I had to tell people about Bioshock, they had no clue what it was. After telling them it was a FPS, they didn't seem much interested in the game.

Okay if people owned a 360 and failed to know about Bioshock (it's not really an FPS either, I'd say it's one of those hybrid action/adventure games) I would say they're not buying games regularly/don't keep up with any sort of gaming news.

Then UT3 is now un-disqualified for PS3, using that logic.

Meh, those releases came out at the same time...Gears was basically 'ported' to PC. I'll give you Bioshock though as a multiplatform.

Not really. Mass Effect has sold 1.6 million copies so far. Compare that to 8.1 copies of Halo 3 just over 100 days. Some 17.7 million 360s have been sold world wide.

I don't know, I failed Algebra 2, but 8 is bigger than ~2.

Pretttyyy good logic there mate. Because a game sold less than Halo 3 (one of the most over hyped and mass marketed games of 2007) it doesn't appeal to a wide audience? I'd say that a 9% market share of all 360s is a fairly wide reaching audience.

I'll give you Dead Rising, it's very popular with the nerds. Other than that, only fanboys can love each of those games.

WHAT? I'm sorry, but this is just a stupid statement. Anyone who likes zombie games is a nerd? Only fanboys like core games made for the 360? I'm really missing the point of what you're trying to say here, as it just sounds like a general statement which can be reversed onto what you're trying to say (only fanboys can lieeek PS3 games!11! Only nerds like games similar to Indiana Jones!!!1).

Just look at the release list for PS3.

Uh yeah...that's what I said.

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

I will tell you right now that I don't see a single game for the PS3 that can touch BioShock. That being said, I state that tall order based on the fact that I own the PC version, so it is moot regardless.

I owned the PC version as well and I played the 360 version, and it is one of the few FPS games I really enjoyed (although I was thoroughly miffed over the cropped widescreen, especially when even the developers at 2K Games claimed it wasn’t, and then later had to admit that it was), and I would still rank it as one of the best games of 2007.

However, I think either you have not given a fair and or reasonable assessment of several PS3 games, or perhaps simply haven't played many of them, if you are suggesting none can "touch" it. At the very least that appears to be quite an exaggeration. In fact, from my experience with both Bioshock and Uncharted: DF, I'd easily say Uncharted exceeds BioShock on most levels of gameplay, graphics, and far exceeds it in game engine physics.

However, once again, not everyone likes the same things, that's why arguing over personal opinions based largely on subjective points of view, perhaps influenced by specific preferences is rather pointless... like argueing over which is better, vanilla or chocolate.

Getting back to the point though, and an objective one at that, EA has very few top selling games, and as pointed out, less than a handful among the top 30, and yet the majority of top selling 360 games are also available on the PS3, and other than very few examples where the 360 version is better or the PS3 version is better, most are relatively indistinguishable.

Name one on the 360 besides Halo 3. I had to tell people about Bioshock, they had no clue what it was. After telling them it was a FPS, they didn't seem much interested in the game.

That's a shame, as I normally don't like FPS games, but I loved Bioshock! Great story, beautiful visuals, excellent sounds, amazing envirmoments, and wide variety of strategies and tactics. I've recommended Bioshock to just about everyone I know. 👍

1.6 million copies of a game isn't a failure by any stretch

I think the point SolidFro was making is that apparently only 10% of 360 owners bought it. Sure, selling 1.6 million games should return a healthy profit, but selling to only 10% of your target market is not an indicator that the game had a wide appeal.

Now some of the best games, movies, TV shows, etc can often find themselves with only a small audience, as quality is not always going to breed popularity... and of course, while an elitist may say all things that are popular lack quality, it just goes to show that when judging something largely based on subjective opinion, you will always see a lot of contrasting opinions.

Afterall, last time I checked, there are still people in the world that don't like Vanilla ice cream.

Okay if people owned a 360 and failed to know about Bioshock (it's not really an FPS either, I'd say it's one of those hybrid action/adventure games) I would say they're not buying games regularly/don't keep up with any sort of gaming news.

I agree, just like someone who owns a PS3 and casts judgment over the overall quality and quantity of PS3 games, yet never heard of Folklore, one of the more interesting and creative games from 2007 with some truly stunning graphics. Heck, if you download demos and video trailers from the PSN stores, it would have been next to impossible to miss it. It also was nominated and won several awards on various annual game review sites.

Also, someone who admits they haven't heard of nearly half of the games in that very trimmed down list of upcoming exclusive PS3 games, also doesn't keep up with any sort of gaming news, as you said.

Oh veey.

To me if a game is good thats all that matters. If something is better, it doesn't matter. Because no one is going to play one single player game over and over and over because other games are not as great as that one game.

👍

And on that note, I think it's time to move on...

Did any news about the PS3 come out of CES yesturday? All i can find is that they are definitly going to allow in-game XMB sometime in 2008. Although there must be more than that!!

I wouldn't expect much from CES in regards to new console related announcments, but if you check out the official developer's blog for the PS3 you'll find some coverage and videos from CES regarding the PS3.

Also, PSP Vault has some specific details and photos from CES showing how the process will work for making copies of Blu-ray movies from a PS3 to a PSP:

• Screenshots, confirmation for Blu-ray transfer (BD-Live)

 

[Kent]

I think things are becoming more and more clear but I've got to give Digital Nitrate great credit.
Those graphs you provided were great. My one point of interest would be the a comparison of Wii units to PS2 units. 👍
I'm willing to bet this new generation of games will eventually reveal a price mark where serious gamers and casual gamers are divided. Wii and PS2 sell for far less than a PS3 and X360 and now sales seem to suggest that the rate of growth is steady but the numbers of units sold will always be higher for the cheaper system.

Simply put- less expensive systems sell more.
Expensive systems like the PS3 and 360 will continue to hold a spot in the market but they will never claim market share like the very capable and far less costly systems.

All of this makes me wonder if the next generation of consoles wasn't a touch early being that the previous systems hold up so well today.
Of course, that's all coming from a guy who currently owns nothing new and enjoys RE4 on the GC, GT4, Ace Combat 5, and Black on the PS2, and DOA2U, Half Life2, and THPS4 on the Xbox. Then again, I could go even further and think about how I play Einhander and Syphony of the Night on my PS2 still and enjoy them just as much as anything else.

Maybe this all goes to show that we pay for what we get and less expensive games are still good looking and fun enough to keep people from making the giant leap to online next gen consoles with amazing graphics and incredible peripheral functions.

For now I can't make much of a decision about the future other than... Where I once planned to turn in everything but my game cube so I could buy a next gen system, now I plan to only turn in my gamecube when the day comes that I finally buy a Wii (which will not be until after a PS3).

 

[Vonie]

Some new ridiculous Heavy Rain screens:

 

[Dragonistic]

Ok, i have a question for you guys, i have enough money to buy ONE ps3 game, but ive been stuck for a while now, do i buy Assasins Creed, or wait 'til COD4 finally comes back in stock?

Now, the main thing that bugs me, is Assasins is something different, and although its aparently repetitive, I can happily repeat tasks aslong as its not to easy, or not to boring, but COD4 obviously has online. Now online is quite a big thing for me, but i cant have a particularly high connection speed due to my location, which made playing Rainbow Six Vegas in a normal team deathmatch type game or whatever, nigh on impossible. For racing games its fine, as i dont lag as ive been told, accept over long distance.

So, the main points, is Assasins a game that I could enjoy for long sessions and what is available in terms of non story related gameplay, like things to have a bit of fun with, things that can always be done in a kinda GTA fashion. Also is AC over once you finish the story, or can you always keep going with different things?. Is COD4 on a decent server which will be usable for me? ( im already aware it is a very good game, it wouldnt be sold out otherwise!) and is it worth waiting for stock to come in, it seems to be in stock nowhere!.

 

[Solid Fro]

Rent Assassin's Creed, buy COD4.

Heavy Rain FTW.

 

[Dragonistic]

Sorry Fro, but that didnt really answer my questions fully, im aware most people say COD4 is the game to buy, but its all kinda, been there done that. Ya know? AC has this different appeal to it, and i really like the concept, and briefly played the X360 version which was fun i must say and i keep getting an urge to play it again. Im also hearing COD4 has server troubles, which means its a no go for me by the sounds, if people on high speed connections have trouble with lag issues, ill have NO chance.
Im on a 1.5mb connection i think.

 

[FoolKiller]

I agree with Solid Fro on the rent Assassins Creed thing, if just because you are unsure since it is different and seems to be a what you get out of it kind of thing.

If your Internet issues weren't there I would say rent AC to play until you can find COD4 to buy. But with your Internet issues, if online is a deal breaker for you, then rent COD4 first just to check how the online works. If online is not a deal breaker then COD4 seems to be the must-have game on any system right now.

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

My one point of interest would be the a comparison of Wii units to PS2 units. 👍

Ask and yee shall receive... I added GameCube to the mix to show the drastic turn around from Nintendo's 6th and 7th gen game console:

While Nintendo must be congratulated for their remarkable turnaround and success, it's also a mistake in my opinion to compare the Wii closely to the PS3 and 360. Nintendo took an entirely different approach this generation, and thus the games that sell well on the Wii don't sell well on the PS3 and 360, and vice versa. In other words, they really aren't competing for the same market.

I'm willing to bet this new generation of games will eventually reveal a price mark where serious gamers and casual gamers are divided. Wii and PS2 sell for far less than a PS3 and X360 and now sales seem to suggest that the rate of growth is steady but the numbers of units sold will always be higher for the cheaper system.

I agree 100%. It's also for this reason why they are for the most part already competing for a different market, although many consumers belong to both markets.

A huge indicator for that are the sales figures for games on each platform, especially when it comes to multi-platform titles. While the exclusive games for the Wii from Nintendo sell extremely well. When it comes to multi-platform games, the Wii numbers are almost always well below everyone else, even the PS2.

You can extrapolate a few reasonable ideas from this.

First is that of the 20+ million Wii's out there, many are bought by parents for their young children to use. After all, it's the least expensive console for this gen, and the vast majority of the games are VERY kid/family friendly... which is not the case with the 360 and PS3.

Secondly, for more casual, but adult market, the Wii has proven to be an excellent "party" game, and thus has really opened up a new market for Nintendo with casual social gamers who treat the Wii like a board game and have "Wii parties" with friends... although it remains to see if this is a fad, like so many board games.

Thirdly, of the adult regular to hardcore gamers, they may very well own a PS3 and or 360 as well as their Wii, so naturally when it comes to multi-platform games, they are most likely going to buy it for their 360 or PS3 so they can enjoy it in High Def, with superior surround sound, better graphics, and possibly additional features.

Simply put- less expensive systems sell more.

Except that wasn't the case with quite a few "cheap" consoles, like the Game Cube, which was also the least expensive console last gen. I think the big difference now is that while the Wii remains largely based on last gen technology, it's focus is on a very specific style of gaming, and really isn't after the same market as the other guys. Basically what Nintendo did with the Wii was create a new untapped market.

Expensive systems like the PS3 and 360 will continue to hold a spot in the market but they will never claim market share like the very capable and far less costly systems.

I don't know about this. You have to also consider the number of households that still don't have an HDTV. If you track HDTV sales over the years, and they are growing at an unbelievable pace right now, you can see the effect it has had on HD related products, like HD camcorders, HD DVR, HD subscriptions through cable and satellite providers, etc.

When someone buys their first HDTV, the first thing they want to do is watch HD stuff, if nothing more than to see what their TV is capable of, and seeing as 1080p displays are dominating the HDTV market now, many of these new buyers are going to be looking for devices that will show off each and every one of those two million pixels.

Let us not forget, the Wii can only offer less than 400,000 pixels of native resolution, six times less than the PS3 and 360.

This is also why one can see a correlation between HDTV sales and Blu-ray sales, despite the format war.

In addition, with consoles like the PS3 that offer one of the best Blu-ray players on the market, and are capable of many home entertainment options besides playing video games, I suspect in the coming years, we will see a significant spike in PS3 sales among consumers who have never really been interested in gaming at all.

So while I agree that maybe the PS3 was a little ahead of its time, certainly as far as having a wide appeal like the Wiii has, I'm glad Sony didn't wait another gen to release it, as that would mean us early adopters who have been waiting for a device like this for quite some time to use with our HDTVs would be stuck with lousy upscaled video.

That said, one must also congratulate Sony for having the foresight not to drop support for the PS2, in recognition that many consumers are not ready to take full advantage of what the PS3 has to offer, and thus they continue to purchase PS2's and PS2 games.

Bottom line, I suspect the Wii will live in harmony with its big brothers, as it and the games that sell well for it, are truly unique.

 

[Dragonistic]

Well only one game has ran smoothly online for me, Motorstorm, I have already played AC, i know id enjoy it for at least a few days before id find repitition a problem. This is because im a generally patient person and can repeat tasks which i can sometimes never bore of. And when i say RSV was impossible, it really was, i would have to aim about 1-2 metres ahead of a target which was only 10-20 metres away from me in order to hit them if they were running. So i guess best thing to ask is, does anyone have RSV and COD4, if so how much better does COD run online?. If it runs worse, ill go buy AC tomorrow.

Renting is not really an option for me, there's nowhere near me to rent from! and I know no-one with a PS3 nearby that i can borrow either game from. I do hope to get AC tomorrow if this pans out that COD will not work well online for me, otherwise, im back at square 1.

 

[harrytuttle]

Has anyone noticed that you can see through Blu-Ray disks? atleast the motorstorm game?

You mean like how CD's and DVD's have always been?

While Nintendo must be congratulated for their remarkable turnaround and success, it's also a mistake in my opinion to compare the Wii closely to the PS3 and 360. Nintendo took an entirely different approach this generation, and thus the games that sell well on the Wii don't sell well on the PS3 and 360, and vice versa. In other words, they really aren't competing for the same market.

Or at all, as in the case of the most interesting Nintendo game in years: Wii Sports. It's impossible to replicate that type of interaction on any other platform, and thus pointless to port.

 

[Vasco]

I agree, just like someone who owns a PS3 and casts judgment over the overall quality and quantity of PS3 games, yet never heard of Folklore, one of the more interesting and creative games from 2007 with some truly stunning graphics. Heck, if you download demos and video trailers from the PSN stores, it would have been next to impossible to miss it. It also was nominated and won several awards on various annual game review sites.

Also, someone who admits they haven't heard of nearly half of the games in that very trimmed down list of upcoming exclusive PS3 games, also doesn't keep up with any sort of gaming news, as you said.

Oh veey.

Well actually I was kind of saying there were better games coming out for the PS3 in the future than 360, so yeah. Looking over the wiki page for Folklore I can see why I never heard of it before, I probably skipped over that news...that kind of 'fantasy' is not really my genre (btw it only got 74 on metacritic so it doesn't seem like that big a game to me, seems more like a flop). Also, the games I hadn't heard of were:
- DC Universe
- InFamous
- Eight Days
- Heavy Rain
- White Knight Chronicles
I think if you asked a few other gamers on the PS3 forum you'd find a lot of them wouldn't have heard of them either.

That said, one must also congratulate Sony for having the foresight not to drop support for the PS2, in recognition that many consumers are not ready to take full advantage of what the PS3 has to offer, and thus they continue to purchase PS2's and PS2 games.

Yeah good on Sony for getting rid of backwards compatibility in their 40GB PS3 based on customer demand! A good corporate decision sure (more monies), but it doesn't really say much to customers of the company.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

Yeah good on Sony for getting rid of backwards compatibility in their 40GB PS3 based on customer demand! A good corporate decision sure (more monies), but it doesn't really say much to customers of the company.

I think it was a pretty good idea. Get rid of some features and get a more efficient PS3 for $100 less.

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

Looking over the wiki page for Folklore I can see why I never heard of it before, I probably skipped over that news...that kind of 'fantasy' is not really my genre (btw it only got 74 on metacritic so it doesn't seem like that big a game to me, seems more like a flop).

Well you said you never heard of it before, so in order to skip over it you'd also have to have known what it was. You also must rarely ever download things from the PSN stores, as there have been at least a dozen add-ons and videos, as well as two different demos added to the stores over several months.

As far as ratings go, have you ever liked a game or movie that has scored less than 75 on Metacritic? Do you allow the opinions of a handful of people you don't even know judge the quality of a game or movie for you? Reviews are almost always subjective opinions, and from a very limited pool of people as well... Vanilla or chocolate?

In addition, there are plenty of reviews that have given Folklore a 90, and even IGN awarded it with the Editor’s top pick. Also, you conveniently left out the fact that the average user rating on Metacritic for Folklore was 85. In addition, it's received many other awards from other sites... so no, those are hardly indications of the game being a flop, at least in terms of its quality. More positive indications are the popularity of it's add-ons on the PSN stores.

Sure, I can understand why some people, like yourself might not like that type of game, or at least unwilling to try it. However, if I was going to make public my personal opinion and judgment over the general quality of PS3 games, I would personally do my best to familiarize myself with all those games, or else be willing to admit my opinion is based on a limited amount of information, and possibly biased based on my unwillingness to play a game, try its demo, watch trailers of it, or even just read up on it... but maybe that's just me.

Besides, not only will your opinion mean more if you are more familiar with the games you lump together in your judgments, but who knows, you might discover a game that you like despite being a style or genre you normally don't have any interest in. I suspect a lot of people who don't like FPS games, like me, who would really like Bioshock if they gave it a try.

I think if you asked a few other gamers on the PS3 forum you'd find a lot of them wouldn't have heard of them either.

If they go around making public their opinions and judgments of future PS3 games in general, I would hope and suspect they would. If not, I would think less of their opinion, as the information on these games are readily available to anyone willing to take a few minutes to read up on them.

Yeah good on Sony for getting rid of backwards compatibility in their 40GB PS3 based on customer demand! A good corporate decision sure (more monies), but it doesn't really say much to customers of the company.

Based on your response I think you misunderstood or misread my remark. The point is many people are not ready to buy a "next gen" console, and thus are still buying PS2 at a surprisingly high rate for a seven year old console. In fact, PS2's have outsold even 360s for several months over the last two years since the 360 was released.

As far as backward capability, unless I'm mistaken, there have always been, and continues to be PS3 models that have BC support. The purpose of the lower priced PS3 is to give those prospective customers who don't care about having the PS3 play PS2 games, and want to save $100 in the process that opportunity. I'm not sure why you would find fault in that, but that's here nor there.

I respect the fact that you feel the PS3's future is bright, but to be frank, your assessment on the current slate of PS3 games does seem somewhat biased. It's here nor there though, after all, so far much of what you've shared is subjective opinion, and thus one will always find disagreements as it's only human for us all to have different criteria for what we consider appealing.

Unless you feel more needs to be said, I'll gladly buy the first round of drinks, and toast at least our mutual appreciation for quality games, even if they might have different titles.

 

[Vasco]

Well you said you never heard of it before, so in order to skip over it you'd also have to have known what it was. You also must rarely ever download things from the PSN stores, as there have been at least a dozen add-ons and videos, as well as two different demos added to the stores over several months.

As far as ratings go, have you ever liked a game or movie that has scored less than 75 on Metacritic? Do you allow the opinions of a handful of people you don't even know judge the quality of a game or movie for you? Reviews are almost always subjective opinions, and from a very limited pool of people as well... Vanilla or chocolate?

In addition, there are plenty of reviews that have given Folklore a 90, and even IGN awarded it with the Editor’s top pick. Also, you conveniently left out the fact that the average user rating on Metacritic for Folklore was 85. In addition, it's received many other awards from other sites... so no, those are hardly indications of the game being a flop, at least in terms of its quality. More positive indications are the popularity of it's add-ons on the PSN stores.

Yeah I don't really get much stuff from the PSN store, my download quota (or rather lack of one) would probably be the main contributor towards that. I like using metacritic as a reference for many games (if I can't try them) since it represents a good average (as compared to user ratings which tend to be over or under representative of the game's quality) since it has a lot more than just 'a handful' of reviews compiled within the average...but I guess like you said, different people prefer different things.

Sure, I can understand why some people, like yourself might not like that type of game, or at least unwilling to try it. However, if I was going to make public my personal opinion and judgment over the general quality of PS3 games, I would personally do my best to familiarize myself with all those games, or else be willing to admit my opinion is based on a limited amount of information, and possibly biased based on my unwillingness to play a game, try its demo, watch trailers of it, or even just read up on it... but maybe that's just me.

Yeah not really my style...besides I wasn't making a comment on its quality when I first posted about it, I was merely saying that I just hadn't heard of it. Then I researched it a little bit.

Besides, not only will your opinion mean more if you are more familiar with the games you lump together in your judgments, but who knows, you might discover a game that you like despite being a style or genre you normally don't have any interest in. I suspect a lot of people who don't like FPS games, like me, who would really like Bioshock if they gave it a try.

Bioshock isn't really referred to as an FPS by most places, most say it is an action/adventure game(e.g. metacritic). I think it does fall into that rather newly created genre, as it has a lot more elements within it than the simple point and shoot.

Based on your response I think you misunderstood or misread my remark. The point is many people are not ready to buy a "next gen" console, and thus are still buying PS2 at a surprisingly high rate for a seven year old console. In fact, PS2's have outsold even 360s for several months over the last two years since the 360 was released.

As far as backward capability, unless I'm mistaken, there have always been, and continues to be PS3 models that have BC support. The purpose of the lower priced PS3 is to give those prospective customers who don't care about having the PS3 play PS2 games, and want to save $100 in the process that opportunity. I'm not sure why you would find fault in that, but that's here nor there.

Not in Australia (and other PAL territories I think), they've completely axed the 60gb and there has never been an 80gb. :\

I respect the fact that you feel the PS3's future is bright, but to be frank, your assessment on the current slate of PS3 games does seem somewhat biased. It's here nor there though, after all, so far much of what you've shared is subjective opinion, and thus one will always find disagreements as it's only human for us all to have different criteria for what we consider appealing.

Unless you feel more needs to be said, I'll gladly buy the first round of drinks, and toast at least our mutual appreciation for quality games, even if they might have different titles.

Yeah okay, let's agree to disagree?

 

[Solid Fro]

Bioshock isn't really referred to as an FPS by most places, most say it is an action/adventure game(e.g. metacritic). I think it does fall into that rather newly created genre, as it has a lot more elements within it than the simple point and shoot.

Dude, it's a FPS. Just like how Metroid Prime 3 is also a FPS (I'm lookin' at you, Fils-Aime.)

 

[Small_Fryz]

But the 360 does have an advantage with their controller.

because we love to buy batteries, or spend half of the price of the controller to buy recharge batteries.

PS3 controllers have built in recharble batteries with a cable that comes standard.

PS3 has so many features included that 360 users have to pay extra for, its simply a no brainer choice between PS3 and 360 these days. Especially with the price so close.

Built in wifi,
recharble controller
blue-ray
40gb vs 20gb
etc etc

And with the PS3 games list growing rapidly AS well as blu-ray kicking arse its looking like a good year for PS3.

More and more customers are understanding what blu-ray is and thus are already leaning towards PS3.

In our store in december we sold 71 PS3's vs 35 360's vs 30 wii's. Once i explained the logic to the customers they nealry always bought the ps3. Only customers who bought 360 were the ones who came in and asked for it, rather than the ones who are undecided. I didnt bother to cross sell the 360 customers since it was a garunteed sell.

Plus if xbox release a new console too soon they will loose customers, consoles are suppose to stay around for a while and have a good life, not be updated every few years. If this was the case they people would just update their PC's.

 

[Vasco]

because we love to buy batteries, or spend half of the price of the controller to buy recharge batteries.

PS3 controllers have built in recharble batteries with a cable that comes standard.

To be fair you can buy a play and charge kit with a wireless 360 controller and it'll come to the current price of a Dualshock 3.

PS3 has so many features included that 360 users have to pay extra for, its simply a no brainer choice between PS3 and 360 these days. Especially with the price so close.

Built in wifi,
recharble controller
blue-ray
40gb vs 20gb
etc etc

And with the PS3 games list growing rapidly AS well as blu-ray kicking arse its looking like a good year for PS3.

More and more customers are understanding what blu-ray is and thus are already leaning towards PS3.

Yeah I can see that starting to happen, I can't believe the 360 doesn't have built in wifi (and it's over $100 to buy the little wireless adapter!). Microsoft probably would've helped the HD-DVD cause if the 360 came with one in the first place (although that would've made it similar in price to the PS3).

 

[Small_Fryz]

Indeed.

Wireless adapter is $160
HD-DVD drive is $249
Xbox Premium is $529 with forza2 and viva pinata

PS3 40gb is $687 with a free game
Motorstorm or Resistance or Genji or F1.

throw in the blu-ray speal and its not a hard cross sell.

 

[G.T]

Indeed.

Wireless adapter is $160
HD-DVD drive is $249
Xbox Premium is $529 with forza2 and viva pinata

PS3 40gb is $687 with a free game
Motorstorm or Resistance or Genji or F1.

throw in the blu-ray speal and its not a hard cross sell.

I was having this exact argument with someone the other day. A friend is still complaining about the current price of a PS3 (which is £300 retail, £20 off some retailers). An Xbox Premium console is still £280 retail (£30 off in some retailers), and as you say, to get wireless you have to pay for the pricy adaptor, then there's the HD-DVD drive, and 20GB less hard drive space...

And he still thinks it's expensive.

 

[Small_Fryz]

Then you have the elite which is $700, MORE expensive than the PS3, yet the elite doesnt come with any game and the PS3 does.

Only realy difference with elite over premium is the 120gb vs 20gb?? Elites just dont sell.

 

[WallRunner]

You mean like how CD's and DVD's have always been?

Really? I've never noticed you can see the front label from the back of a DVD

 

[Famine]

Really? I've never noticed you can see the front label from the back of a DVD

You've always been able to see through discs. They have a hole in the middle...


I use DVDs for direct solar observations - the material is a polarising filter and really, really good for this application. Jesting aside, during the last total Solar eclipse in the UK (August 1999) this sort of information was propogated and some people misinterpreted it as "look through the hole in the middle". Just how they though the hole in the middle of a DVD would protect their eyes I don't know.

 

[KENJIusa]

You've always been able to see through discs. They have a hole in the middle...

What the.....?

 

[Robin]

Really? I've never noticed you can see the front label from the back of a DVD

You can't on a DVD but you can on a Blu Ray disc...

Robin

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

I was having this exact argument with someone the other day. A friend is still complaining about the current price of a PS3 (which is £300 retail, £20 off some retailers). An Xbox Premium console is still £280 retail (£30 off in some retailers), and as you say, to get wireless you have to pay for the pricy adaptor, then there's the HD-DVD drive, and 20GB less hard drive space...

And he still thinks it's expensive.

And don't forget online play with the 360, or even access to some content on XBL. That's another £70 or $50 a year. After just four years, that's already an additional £280 or $200 added to the cost. Basically with the 360 you have an a la carte menu, which while initially can be less expensive. Even without any add-ons, and just a subscription to Gold to play online for only a few years takes the 360 price above and beyond the PS3.

And those "Microsoft Points" pricing is also a clever way Microsoft uses to disguise the actual cost of content that on the PS3 is often free, like themes, wallpapers, and many game add-ons.

Keep in mind, I'm not a critic of Microsoft's decision to charge for much of their online service, even when they don't provide their own servers, and have a lot of product placement ads, or the use of their clever "MS Points" payment system. The fact is they are smart to do it, as the customers have clearly been willing to use it and pay for it.

These companies are not non-profits, and if the market is willing to pay, it's actually their responsibility, especially to the stock holders to get that money! It's the responsibility of the consumer to properly and accurately asses the value they get from a service, and if they feel it's not worth it, then vote with your wallets by not paying for it.

Granted, I understand why so many 360 owners begrudgingly pony up the cash for XBL, as I'm sure many have no other choice. They already spent quite a bit on the console and games, so justifying another $50 a year to play online is probably an easy choice to make.

Personally though, seeing as I myself use nearly a dozen different PSN accounts, I'm glad I'm not using XBL, as it would be costing me over $500 a year just to have them.