PS3 General Discussion

[Swift]

I intended to, to a large degree but not an ultimate one. PC's are great, but for gaming it's not a viable option to purchase a new PC over a console. If however you already have a PC with a good backbone, upgrading one bit by bit isn't that expensive, over 5 years I've spent around half of what my PS2 cost me, in upgrading it, and the card it has now should easilly last a few more years.

Basically, if your going to buy eaither a gaming PC or a console, the console is by far the better choice. If you already have a good PC and just need one or two new parts, then it becomes a more even choice. If you have a PC full of dataed parts from the motherboard up, then the console will be the way to go. So in general, yes a console is the better value option, but not always.

yep, we agree on that point.

 

[tha_con]

Blue rays speed

Blu-ray drives currently in production can transfer approximately 36 Mbit/s (54 Mbit/s for BD-ROM), but 2x speed prototypes with a 108 Mbit/s transfer rate are in development. Rates of 8x or more are planned for the future.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc


At 2X it's just a little bit slower than the XBOX 360.

He was talking about noise not speed nimwit, quit trolling.

 

[Mr Deap]

He was talking about noise not speed nimwit, quit trolling.

2x vs 16X on DVD & BlueRay is different. I was defending the speed drive of the PS3.

I know my PGR3 avatar is provoking, but damn that game look good.

 

[tha_con]

2x vs 16X on DVD & BlueRay is different. I was defending the speed drive of the PS3.

I know my PGR3 avatar is provoking, but damn that game look good.

You're making absolutely no relation to the topic genius.

Look, a 12x optical disc drive is LOUDER than a 2x optical disc drive.

IT DOESN'T MATTER THE FORMAT.

The higher the speed, the faster the disc must rotate in order to accomodate the higher read speeds, thus NOISE is INCREASED.

I hope you learned something today child

 

[Omnis]

pwn.

 

[Mr Deap]

You're making absolutely no relation to the topic genius.

Look, a 12x optical disc drive is LOUDER than a 2x optical disc drive.

IT DOESN'T MATTER THE FORMAT.

The higher the speed, the faster the disc must rotate in order to accomodate the higher read speeds, thus NOISE is INCREASED.

I hope you learned something today child

So explain me how come my DVD drive on my computer do less noise than my PS2 DVD drive? (Not to mention that my DVD drive can burn at 16X )

The disk driver speed make absolutely no sense for the noise no matter what you say.

 

[German Muscle]

Blue rays speed

Blu-ray drives currently in production can transfer approximately 36 Mbit/s (54 Mbit/s for BD-ROM), but 2x speed prototypes with a 108 Mbit/s transfer rate are in development. Rates of 8x or more are planned for the future.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc


At 2X it's just a little bit slower than the XBOX 360.

The X360 DVDROM is like ~30MBps. Wiki does say 108MBps at 2x but the PS3s will be around 72MBps

 

[Dave A]

So explain me how come my DVD drive on my computer do less noise than my PS2 DVD drive? (Not to mention that my DVD drive can burn at 16X )

The disk driver speed make absolutely no sense for the noise no matter what you say.

It's a matter of sound proofing, what Tha Con said regarding the higher the speed the disk is spinning the more noise it makes however the drive on the PS2 dosen't have half as much surrounding it to muffle the sound as what your average PC drive will have.

 

[Mr Deap]

It's a matter of sound proofing, what Tha Con said regarding the higher the speed the disk is spinning the more noise it makes however the drive on the PS2 dosen't have half as much surrounding it to muffle the sound as what your average PC drive will have.

Ask, those who actually have a 16X DVD on their PC & a PS2. It depend how the disk driver is made.

BTW, My DVD Burner is a Sony DRU-800A, read the review of my burner. It's quiet.

 

[Dave A]

It may well be quiet but that's still due to sound proofing surrounding the actual drive itself, inside the drive the disk is still generating more noise than a disk in a drive that's spinning slower. The fact that a faster drive makes more noise is just a generalisation, there are faster drives with better sound proofing and there are slower drives with worse sound proofing, but that's the general trend.

 

[Sprite]

Ask, those who actually have a 16X DVD on their PC & a PS2. It depend how the disk driver is made.

BTW, My DVD Burner is a Sony DRU-800A, read the review of my burner. It's quiet.

I have Two DVD drives and a cd drive on my pc, the cd drive outguns the dvd drives for noise, due to it reading at 52x and the dvds 8x + 16x, But one of the drives has a specially designed chassi and a soundproofing system inside to keep noise to a minimum, but what tha_con said is the truth, its the laws of physics and something traveling ar a great speed produces more air noise. just get a cd and whizz it past your ear and you will see

Setting CD-ROM and DVD-ROM drive speed

Since the issues mentioned here apply to CD-ROM and DVD-ROM drives as well as to recorders for these types of media, in this document the name 'CD-ROM drive' will be used to refer to all of these drive types.

Fast CD-ROM drives have one big disadvantage over older and slower models. In order to be able to support high data transfer speeds, the CD-ROM disk must spin very quickly in the disk drive, which results in a lot of noise. This loud humming can make listening to MP3 or OGG music from CD-ROMs a very unpleasant experience and is very annoying at best for other tasks which don't require the CD-ROM to work at full speed.

Fortunately, it is easy to temporarily decrease the drive's speed which can reduce the noise to nil (and probably also increase the drive's longevity). Using this command:

eject -x N /dev/cdrom

one can set the drive's speed to N (N should be a number which represents a speed setting supported by the drive, e.g. 4, 8, 32, 48 etc.). Using N equal to 0 resets the speed to maximum value supported by the drive. Ejecting the disk also has the effect of resetting drive speed to the default value.

Some speeds which are especially useful include:

* 4 — for many drives, this is the lowest speed supported. No or very little audible noise is produced. This speed is enough for listening to MP3 or OGG files, viewing text documents or small images etc.
* 12 — very little noise can be heard. This speed is adequate for viewing movies and large compressed images as well as almost any other task.
* 0 (maximum speed) — this usually means 48 or a similar value, depending on the CD-ROM drive. Produces a lot of noise. Recommended only for copying large files from CD-ROM to hard disk or for very demanding multimedia applications.

You can create shortcuts to the above command with different values of N in your Desktop Environment's menu or on the desktop in order to always have them handy. You can also use Set CD-ROM Speed, a graphical application for KDE to perform the same actions using a GUI.

As for PS3 being made quiet, it actually ways 15kg so that must mean that the PSU is inside the box, thus increasing temp, I hope they have sorted the overheating, we dont need an episode like the 360 had

 

[KENJIusa]

Some nice info about 20G and 60G versions:
http://www.ps3land.com/article-371.php

 

[LaBounti]

Its $499 because they cant make it any cheaper. The 60GB version is about $300+ cheaper than it should be.

 

[tha_con]

So explain me how come my DVD drive on my computer do less noise than my PS2 DVD drive? (Not to mention that my DVD drive can burn at 16X )

The disk driver speed make absolutely no sense for the noise no matter what you say.

Man, you just don't learn anything do you? You just keep pressing on to keep getting proven wrong.

It's okay though, I'm used to it, plenty of members here are lke that.

The only reason, as stated many times before, that your DVD drive in your computer is quiter is because of the technology used to make it quit. Basically, the manufacturer uses a thin layer of something extremely similar to Dynomat, it's a rubbery / foam like meterial that absorbs sound, and VERY much of it I might add.

Now, with consoles, there is no such sound proofing. The PS2 doesn't have it, the Xbox doesn't have it, and guess waht!? The 360 doesn't have it. Neither will the PS3.

So, with that said, I really hope that you can relax for a moment and *think* about what you are going to type, and then ask if it makes sense.

 

[Mr Deap]

Man, you just don't learn anything do you? You just keep pressing on to keep getting proven wrong.

It's okay though, I'm used to it, plenty of members here are lke that.

The only reason, as stated many times before, that your DVD drive in your computer is quiter is because of the technology used to make it quit. Basically, the manufacturer uses a thin layer of something extremely similar to Dynomat, it's a rubbery / foam like meterial that absorbs sound, and VERY much of it I might add.

Now, with consoles, there is no such sound proofing. The PS2 doesn't have it, the Xbox doesn't have it, and guess waht!? The 360 doesn't have it. Neither will the PS3.

So, with that said, I really hope that you can relax for a moment and *think* about what you are going to type, and then ask if it makes sense.

Wow!!!

That does make sense. So a 2X disk driver is quiet?

>_>
<_<

 

[German Muscle]

found something today

 

[Omnis]

Mr. Deap, are you stupid or something? What don't you get? The faster something spins, regardless of what it is, the more turbulent it makes the air around it. This turbulence generates noise. More speed, more turbulence, more noise.

 

[Swift]

Mr. Deap, are you stupid or something? What don't you get? The faster something spins, regardless of what it is, the more turbulent it makes the air around it. This turbulence generates noise. More speed, more turbulence, more noise.

Omnis, while you're quite right and Mr Deap has listed that he's a computer/network engineer So that he doesn't understand that concept makes no sense at all to me...

Let's refrain from direct personal attacks, OK

 

[Mr Deap]

found something today

That picture bug me all lot. As you can see, there's a lot of input on the PS3; Including the Hard Drive, the BlueRay player, the GPU & CPU, the fans & the power supply...

Will they keep the PS3 appearance that way?

Omnis, while you're quite right and Mr Deap has listed that he's a computer/network engineer So that he doesn't understand that concept makes no sense at all to me...

Let's refrain from direct personal attacks, OK

 

[Dave A]

They haven't said they will change it, so I don't think the design will change, at least not much.

 

[Mr Deap]

They haven't said they will change it, so I don't think the design will change, at least not much.

Yeah, but does that bug you?

If you measure how big is the PS3 & the length of the input inside the machine, all the stuff that I mentioned plus the infrared sensor for the wireless controller. It's a puzzle for sure...

 

[Dave A]

Not really with current technology, the PS3 isn't a tiny box, it's big enough to fit all that in, most of thoes things hardly take up any space inside.

 

[fasj6418]

its big and it weights 5kg... that must be the heaviest console ever... not that i´m sure of that, but 5kg is a lot of material... all dev kits shown so far are way bigger than the prototype PS3, but then again, i don´t think they will change the design without making a big splash about it... they would have shown at E3... btw, i though there were some PS3 running in their final design at E3, right? if that´s the case, it should aswer the question...

 

[fasj6418]

Not really with current technology, the PS3 isn't a tiny box, it's big enough to fit all that in, most of thoes things hardly take up any space inside.

oh yes, the cell chip is very, very small... i just wonder with all that size, how they are going to develop a slim PSthree in 3 or 4 years down the road... will be interesting...

 

[Dave A]

There was smoe running, but no one stated that they were final designs or anything, but I'd expect them to be with the launch looming closer and closer.

 

[Mr Deap]

oh yes, the cell chip is very, very small... i just wonder with all that size, how they are going to develop a slim PSthree in 3 or 4 years down the road... will be interesting...

The current PC technology is uber big fan with tri-video card(Each card take 2 pci-e slot, etc...). Every PC run hot now. The clock rate is so fast that you remove the fan & the rig doesn't work at all.

 

[tha_con]

The current PC technology is uber big fan with tri-video card(Each card take 2 pci-e slot, etc...). Every PC run hot now. The clock rate is so fast that you remove the fan & the rig doesn't work at all.

I'm not even sure anyone really understand anything that you've been saying the last 8 posts, I'm not one to be excluded from that group.

It's like this. I can buy a multi card reader that's no bigger than a mouse. That's with all of them stacked on top of eachother. Put it horizontally and viola, you have the PS3 arrangement of readers.

Then you've got Blu-Ray, no bigger than a standard disc drive, and doesn't generate anymore heat than a standard disc drive (and you keep saying driver, please correct yourself, it's a disc drive).

Then there's the Cell Processor, which is small, low power, and best of all, is produced using Silicon Straining, a production method that effectively increases it's effeciency, and reduces it's power consumption, thus, lowering it's heat output.

Then you've got the RSX, which is one of the two components that will generate heat in the PS3. It will surely be equipped with a nice sized fan.

Next up is the Power Supply. This is where all the major heat will be generated. This is how Sony has planned to deal with this from the start.

Convex console design.

For those of you who don't know what that means, it's a curve that moves *outward* from the center. THis will allow maximum airflow and headspace for fresh cooler air to be brought in by the PS3 fans and vents, in order to assist in keeping the unit tempurature down as a whole, and thus, the heatsinks will have fresh air in which to dissapate their heat.

The 360, which I think has a terrible design as far as effeciency, uses a Concave case, which in effect, lowers the amount of air space inside of the console, which is the reason for the power brick, and also the reason for the higher temperatures inside the machine itself.

Once again, I hope you all learned something interesting form my rants.

 

[Mr Deap]

I'm not even sure anyone really understand anything that you've been saying the last 8 posts, I'm not one to be excluded from that group.

It's like this. I can buy a multi card reader that's no bigger than a mouse. That's with all of them stacked on top of eachother. Put it horizontally and viola, you have the PS3 arrangement of readers.

Then you've got Blu-Ray, no bigger than a standard disc drive, and doesn't generate anymore heat than a standard disc drive (and you keep saying driver, please correct yourself, it's a disc drive).

Then there's the Cell Processor, which is small, low power, and best of all, is produced using Silicon Straining, a production method that effectively increases it's effeciency, and reduces it's power consumption, thus, lowering it's heat output.

Then you've got the RSX, which is one of the two components that will generate heat in the PS3. It will surely be equipped with a nice sized fan.

Next up is the Power Supply. This is where all the major heat will be generated. This is how Sony has planned to deal with this from the start.

Convex console design.

For those of you who don't know what that means, it's a curve that moves *outward* from the center. THis will allow maximum airflow and headspace for fresh cooler air to be brought in by the PS3 fans and vents, in order to assist in keeping the unit tempurature down as a whole, and thus, the heatsinks will have fresh air in which to dissapate their heat.

The 360, which I think has a terrible design as far as effeciency, uses a Concave case, which in effect, lowers the amount of air space inside of the console, which is the reason for the power brick, and also the reason for the higher temperatures inside the machine itself.

Once again, I hope you all learned something interesting form my rants.

Can you draw all the component that goes inside the PS3?

 

[tha_con]

Can you draw all the component that goes inside the PS3?

Can you learn the english language? 23 years should have served you well so far, but it seems you still have trouble with the concept of "plural".

Anyway, you're on my ignore list now, you're posts are nothing more than filled with nonsense, and you don't even provide a good debate. Most of the members here, (Solid Lifters, live4speed, code_kev, KENJI, am65, LaBounti, etc) all provide excellent information and good debate, you are worthless to the psots, and input in this thread, so it's of no use for me to read your posts anymore.

 

[Dave A]

No, but it'll be less than you think, like Tha Con said, multi-card readers arn't big, I've gont one on my PC and it is smaller than a mouse, on the front of the PC it takes up as much space a floppy disk drive, but inside the PC it only goes in a couple of inches. The Cell is small, I don't know what the size of the RSX is, but that's only a single card, the blue ray drive will probably be the biggest piece of hardware in there.