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Those are pornographic, but lets all agree, PS3Land are a bunch of douches for planting "PS3LAND.COM" all over the consoles.
Well, if you got brand new exclusive shots of the PS3, you'd do it too.
Anyway, nice find, Kenji. 👍
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I could remove that in a matter of seconds, lol. They're dumb for thinking it means anything.
even more photo's http://www.gfdata.de/archiv08-2006-gamefront/2083.html
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Beautfiful machine, aint it?
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Why PS2 Succeeded, and Why PS3 Will FailPosted by Rob Stevens
Related: Editorial, Features, Video Games
The Sony PlayStation 2 had a lot of things going for it when it launched in October of 2000. It would launch more than a year before Nintendos GameCube console, a head start that proved to extend the lifespan of the console far longer than the usual five years. Normally, launching a game console outside of that five-year cycle spelled disaster (just ask Sega), Sony managed to make it work, but it wasnt by virtue of their games. The launch lineup for the PS2 was laughable, and would not improve for the majority of that first year. No, the PS2 sold for one reason and one reason only: including DVD movie playback cheaper than a dedicated DVD player.
At the time of the PS2 launch, a home DVD player retailed for about $399. Sony was selling the PS2 for $299, taking a significant loss on the hardware and expecting to make it up on software sales (often described as the standard game industry model, despite Nintendo not following that model themselves). For the first year, Sony was taking an absolute bath on the PS2 hardware, since the initial software selection was pitiful, yet the installed user base for the machine would pay dividends in the years to come, allowing Sony to secure many exclusives.
Not only was DVD playback a huge success for Sony and the PlayStation 2, but it was one of the factors that put DVD on the map, pushing hardware prices down and forcing many of the studios not convinced about the viability of the format to bow to consumer pressure. So it came as little surprise that Sony would announce years later that they would again release a game console featuring a new movie playback format at a price significantly less than the existing hardware. This time, however, Sony is the primary player for that movie format, and has a vested interest in its future. If lightning were to strike twice, Sony would come out as an unstoppable force.
However, while all the planets were aligned with Sony the first time around, six years later the outlook is not as positive. There are several factors at work against Sony, some they are powerless to control, and it is these same factors that will likely put Sony in a losing position.
No early mover advantage. Sony was the first out of the gate with PlayStation 2 (Sega launched Dreamcast between generations), but this time theyll have been beaten to market by Microsoft and Nintendo both.
Extremely expensive. While PlayStation 2 launched at a relatively high $299, it was still at a reasonable price point compared to other console launches. Microsoft was widely criticized for launching the Xbox 360 at $399, but Sony will double their own price point for the PS3 at $599. (Im intentionally ignoring lower priced configurations for crippled hardware.) No console selling for such a high price point has ever been a success in the marketplace.
Blu-Ray has competition. When DVD was released, there was no competing high-end video format. Blu-Ray was beaten to market by HD-DVD (by just about a month), eliminating the first-mover advantage in the video space. Blu-Ray has been criticized for poor video playback compared to HD DVD (though this may just be an early hardware issue), not to mention that HD DVD discs are less expensive to produce. It seems Sony hasnt learned much from their Betamax days. Regardless, if consumers bet on HD DVD over Blu-Ray, they could go running to Microsofts Xbox 360 instead of PS3. Its possible that some consumers might see BluRay and the PS3 as a whole as a future investment (a line of thought Sony is actively encouraging), but its an incredibly risky strategy.
PS3 requires significant additional investment. While its laudable for Sony to appeal to the videophiles and technologically adept, for either video games or high-definition movie playback, youll need a significant investment in display hardware youll need an HDTV. While Microsoft has touted their HD capabilities, movie playback and even gaming looks fine on regular TVs, and still superior to existing competition. For PlayStation 3, many of the features heavily emphasized by Sony (such as 1080p) require the use of HDTV to see additional benefit. BluRay looks no better than DVD on a standard definition TV, making that price tag even more painful to deal with when substitute products are available at significantly lower prices.
No wow factor. When PS2 was first shown to the public, the excitement was palpable. PS2 was such an obvious improvement graphically that it was a no-brainer where you would go for next-generation games. When PS3 was finally revealed at the last (and I mean last) E3, the general consensus was, Meh. Graphically, its difficult to tell the difference between PS3 and Xbox 360 graphics, and in some cases, it was stated that the Xbox 360 games looked better, as developers had a year head start to work around the system. Without some other compelling feature (such as the unique controller for Nintendos Wii console), gaming does not have a visual improvement on the PS3. Every gamer knows that graphics are not the end-all, be-all of games, but they are a major factor and one that is working against Sonys favor.
The loss of exclusives. Already, word is coming out that developers are hedging their bets and releasing what were supposed to be exclusive PS3 launch titles on Xbox 360 and/or Wii. Microsoft made significant waves at E3 when Peter Moore announced Grand Theft Auto 4 would be on Xbox 360 with episodic content (through Xbox Live). It seems that every month, more titles are added to the list of PlayStation 3 games that are cancelled, usually in favor of an Xbox 360 version.
No innovation. Another major criticism of Sonys E3 announcements were the apparent me too attitude, showing off a motion-sensitive controller in a cheap attempt to steal some thunder from Nintendos Wii (which went on to win Best in Show), and the revelation that they will have a similar system to Xbox Lives Achievements called Entitlements (apparently oblivious to the connotation that moniker elicits).
Sony is clearly behind the eight-ball, and its very tough to see why analysts are predicting Sony to be the winner in this console race. With a deck stacked so clearly against it, Sony is relying on backwards compatability and desirability to drive sales, seemingly oblivious to complaints about the price. While stranger things have happened, its highly unlikely that Sony will be able to fend off Xbox 360 and Wii without significant advantages that simply dont exist this generation. You know that the outlook is less than stellar when the editor of the Official PlayStation Magazine comes out on her blog to address these very same issues, stating that she wont be buying a PS3 of her own.
http://www.gearlive.com/index.php/news/article/why-ps2-succeeded-and-why-ps3-will-fail-823140/
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New worries over much-delayed Playstation 3 project
By Elizabeth Judge and Leo Lewis
SONYs Playstation 3 was back in the spotlight yesterday. The latest round of internet gossip, speculation and fevered blogging was sparked by the admission from Kaz Hirai, president of Sony Computer Entertainment America, that production on the long-awaited games console had not yet begun.
The console is scheduled to launch in North America, Japan and Europe in November, with 6 million boxes due on the market by the end of March 2007. While Sony insisted yesterday that such short lead-times were usual and that its timetable had not slipped the tight timeframe left some industry onlookers jittery.
The Playstation 3 project has already been delayed once, allowing Microsofts rival XBox 360 to steal a march on Sony by launching almost a year ago.
The high price of Sonys offering the Playstation 3 will retail from $499 in America and up to £425 in the UK could deter some consumers.
Sonys pre-launch marketing has not been helped either by a deluge of grumbles from gamers and experts on internet sites. David Cole, of DFC Intelligence, recently declared on the Red Herring website that Sony is being attacked from all angles over the console.
Despite all this, however, experts yesterday remained confident that the product would be a winner, attracting huge demand. Sony, they argue, simply cannot afford to lose the initiative in gaming, where it has dominated for two previous generations with its PlayStation 1 and 2, while it attempts a turnaround under the Welshman Howard Stringer.
Although the price of Playstation 3 looks high, it has the potential to be a complete home entertainment system and the first affordable way for consumers to buy Sonys high-definition Blu-ray DVD player.
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8210-2326251,00.html
Related: Editorial, Features, Video Games
The Sony PlayStation 2 had a lot of things going for it when it launched in October of 2000. It would launch more than a year before Nintendos GameCube console, a head start that proved to extend the lifespan of the console far longer than the usual five years. Normally, launching a game console outside of that five-year cycle spelled disaster (just ask Sega), Sony managed to make it work, but it wasnt by virtue of their games. The launch lineup for the PS2 was laughable, and would not improve for the majority of that first year. No, the PS2 sold for one reason and one reason only: including DVD movie playback cheaper than a dedicated DVD player.
At the time of the PS2 launch, a home DVD player retailed for about $399. Sony was selling the PS2 for $299, taking a significant loss on the hardware and expecting to make it up on software sales (often described as the standard game industry model, despite Nintendo not following that model themselves). For the first year, Sony was taking an absolute bath on the PS2 hardware, since the initial software selection was pitiful, yet the installed user base for the machine would pay dividends in the years to come, allowing Sony to secure many exclusives.
Not only was DVD playback a huge success for Sony and the PlayStation 2, but it was one of the factors that put DVD on the map, pushing hardware prices down and forcing many of the studios not convinced about the viability of the format to bow to consumer pressure. So it came as little surprise that Sony would announce years later that they would again release a game console featuring a new movie playback format at a price significantly less than the existing hardware. This time, however, Sony is the primary player for that movie format, and has a vested interest in its future. If lightning were to strike twice, Sony would come out as an unstoppable force.
However, while all the planets were aligned with Sony the first time around, six years later the outlook is not as positive. There are several factors at work against Sony, some they are powerless to control, and it is these same factors that will likely put Sony in a losing position.
No early mover advantage. Sony was the first out of the gate with PlayStation 2 (Sega launched Dreamcast between generations), but this time theyll have been beaten to market by Microsoft and Nintendo both.
Extremely expensive. While PlayStation 2 launched at a relatively high $299, it was still at a reasonable price point compared to other console launches. Microsoft was widely criticized for launching the Xbox 360 at $399, but Sony will double their own price point for the PS3 at $599. (Im intentionally ignoring lower priced configurations for crippled hardware.) No console selling for such a high price point has ever been a success in the marketplace.
Blu-Ray has competition. When DVD was released, there was no competing high-end video format. Blu-Ray was beaten to market by HD-DVD (by just about a month), eliminating the first-mover advantage in the video space. Blu-Ray has been criticized for poor video playback compared to HD DVD (though this may just be an early hardware issue), not to mention that HD DVD discs are less expensive to produce. It seems Sony hasnt learned much from their Betamax days. Regardless, if consumers bet on HD DVD over Blu-Ray, they could go running to Microsofts Xbox 360 instead of PS3. Its possible that some consumers might see BluRay and the PS3 as a whole as a future investment (a line of thought Sony is actively encouraging), but its an incredibly risky strategy.
PS3 requires significant additional investment. While its laudable for Sony to appeal to the videophiles and technologically adept, for either video games or high-definition movie playback, youll need a significant investment in display hardware youll need an HDTV. While Microsoft has touted their HD capabilities, movie playback and even gaming looks fine on regular TVs, and still superior to existing competition. For PlayStation 3, many of the features heavily emphasized by Sony (such as 1080p) require the use of HDTV to see additional benefit. BluRay looks no better than DVD on a standard definition TV, making that price tag even more painful to deal with when substitute products are available at significantly lower prices.
No wow factor. When PS2 was first shown to the public, the excitement was palpable. PS2 was such an obvious improvement graphically that it was a no-brainer where you would go for next-generation games. When PS3 was finally revealed at the last (and I mean last) E3, the general consensus was, Meh. Graphically, its difficult to tell the difference between PS3 and Xbox 360 graphics, and in some cases, it was stated that the Xbox 360 games looked better, as developers had a year head start to work around the system. Without some other compelling feature (such as the unique controller for Nintendos Wii console), gaming does not have a visual improvement on the PS3. Every gamer knows that graphics are not the end-all, be-all of games, but they are a major factor and one that is working against Sonys favor.
The loss of exclusives. Already, word is coming out that developers are hedging their bets and releasing what were supposed to be exclusive PS3 launch titles on Xbox 360 and/or Wii. Microsoft made significant waves at E3 when Peter Moore announced Grand Theft Auto 4 would be on Xbox 360 with episodic content (through Xbox Live). It seems that every month, more titles are added to the list of PlayStation 3 games that are cancelled, usually in favor of an Xbox 360 version.
No innovation. Another major criticism of Sonys E3 announcements were the apparent me too attitude, showing off a motion-sensitive controller in a cheap attempt to steal some thunder from Nintendos Wii (which went on to win Best in Show), and the revelation that they will have a similar system to Xbox Lives Achievements called Entitlements (apparently oblivious to the connotation that moniker elicits).
Sony is clearly behind the eight-ball, and its very tough to see why analysts are predicting Sony to be the winner in this console race. With a deck stacked so clearly against it, Sony is relying on backwards compatability and desirability to drive sales, seemingly oblivious to complaints about the price. While stranger things have happened, its highly unlikely that Sony will be able to fend off Xbox 360 and Wii without significant advantages that simply dont exist this generation. You know that the outlook is less than stellar when the editor of the Official PlayStation Magazine comes out on her blog to address these very same issues, stating that she wont be buying a PS3 of her own.
http://www.gearlive.com/index.php/news/article/why-ps2-succeeded-and-why-ps3-will-fail-823140/
===========================================
New worries over much-delayed Playstation 3 project
By Elizabeth Judge and Leo Lewis
SONYs Playstation 3 was back in the spotlight yesterday. The latest round of internet gossip, speculation and fevered blogging was sparked by the admission from Kaz Hirai, president of Sony Computer Entertainment America, that production on the long-awaited games console had not yet begun.
The console is scheduled to launch in North America, Japan and Europe in November, with 6 million boxes due on the market by the end of March 2007. While Sony insisted yesterday that such short lead-times were usual and that its timetable had not slipped the tight timeframe left some industry onlookers jittery.
The Playstation 3 project has already been delayed once, allowing Microsofts rival XBox 360 to steal a march on Sony by launching almost a year ago.
The high price of Sonys offering the Playstation 3 will retail from $499 in America and up to £425 in the UK could deter some consumers.
Sonys pre-launch marketing has not been helped either by a deluge of grumbles from gamers and experts on internet sites. David Cole, of DFC Intelligence, recently declared on the Red Herring website that Sony is being attacked from all angles over the console.
Despite all this, however, experts yesterday remained confident that the product would be a winner, attracting huge demand. Sony, they argue, simply cannot afford to lose the initiative in gaming, where it has dominated for two previous generations with its PlayStation 1 and 2, while it attempts a turnaround under the Welshman Howard Stringer.
Although the price of Playstation 3 looks high, it has the potential to be a complete home entertainment system and the first affordable way for consumers to buy Sonys high-definition Blu-ray DVD player.
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8210-2326251,00.html
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Yeah, I completely agree. But, I'm concerned over the Blu-ray movie issue. It seems Blu-ray currently features no decent movies and I don't think it will for quite some time. I believe Sony, at this point, are more concerned about getting the PS3 out than any other Sony business.
Like my new HDTV set, for example. It does not have many features compared to previous XBR2 sets. I feel it was rushed for the sake of the PS3. The set was not supposed to be released for at least a month when I purchased it meaning it was rushed and it shows with the lack of key features like POP/PIP and channel indexing. I feel, Sony either faced a long delay with proper features or an early release with missing features.
I think Sony have overlooked the importance of having a decent lineup of QUALITY BD movie discs. This concerns me because I planned on getting more movies than games, plus I planned on only supporting Blu-ray as the next generation media player. Now, I'm not to sure about that. Sony have put doubts into me.
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I really don't think POP and PIP are important features when it comes to TV functionality, because most users, though they say they "use them" really only use them once in a blue moon. Are we really so short on our attention span as a culture that we need TWO forms of entertainment going at the same time?
I don't know, personally I always felt PiP was a gimmick to sell TV sets.
I don't know, personally I always felt PiP was a gimmick to sell TV sets.
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I like to watch TV and use the internet at the same time. Cannot do both on the same HDTV set without POP. It's just something I got use to doing on my old set.
Plus, channel indexing was a great way of seeing what was on the other channels without missing what you were currently watching.
Two great features I loved on my old set that I miss now.
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Mine is a side by side, so that's picture-outside-picture right? I think I went about a year, when I completely forgot that my TV had this feature. It was the coolest thing when I re-discovered it, but forgot all about it until you just mentioned it.
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Edit:
Ahhh. Good point. When I'm on the internet, I do have my TV on. When you see me logged in for like two hours without a post, I'm probably watching a movie or something. Then again, I've gone to work while I'm still logged in.
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Mine is a side by side, so that's picture-outside-picture right? I think I went about a year, when I completely forgot that my TV had this feature. It was the coolest thing when I re-discovered it, but forgot all about it until you just mentioned it.
Edit:
Ahhh. Good point. When I'm on the internet, I do have my TV on. When you see me logged in for like two hours without a post, I'm probably watching a movie or something. Then again, I've gone to work while I'm still logged in.
Yeah, side-by-side picture is sometimes referred as POP (Picture Opposite Picture). I loved mine a lot. I miss it.
I can go eight or nine hours here without making a post. Heh. I always have my computer on, ready to go.
fasj6418 said: GT HD IS GT4, so there´s no point of showing an old game in high res
I'd have to not agree entirely. To show at a gameing show, perhaps not the best idea. But to release (re release as it were) a game thats not that old.. but with some great additions so users can benifit from a new console and higher power... then i am all for it. I havnt finished GT4, and anyone that has a life (read: isnt in school or has the perfect girlfriend/partner
)will be the same.
Being able to finish GT4 & 1080p50 would rule. Hell i'd go for 720p50 with Anti Aliasing and higher poly counts (seeing poly's is so last generation, especially on car models!).
But yeah.. paying full game price for it would not get them on my good side. Perhaps for far less then a full price game, but not a big price!
Pics of the PS3 are nice. Shame on logo. lol. I'd have to say though, that the console doesnt really impress me. Where the hell are the good designers? So many cool looking devices out there. So alltho i'll accept its look. i still think they bumed out and could have done a far better job. I gotta look at this thing for 5 or more years dammit!
I'd have to not agree entirely. To show at a gameing show, perhaps not the best idea. But to release (re release as it were) a game thats not that old.. but with some great additions so users can benifit from a new console and higher power... then i am all for it. I havnt finished GT4, and anyone that has a life (read: isnt in school or has the perfect girlfriend/partner
)will be the same.Being able to finish GT4 & 1080p50 would rule. Hell i'd go for 720p50 with Anti Aliasing and higher poly counts (seeing poly's is so last generation, especially on car models!).
But yeah.. paying full game price for it would not get them on my good side. Perhaps for far less then a full price game, but not a big price!
Pics of the PS3 are nice. Shame on logo. lol. I'd have to say though, that the console doesnt really impress me. Where the hell are the good designers? So many cool looking devices out there. So alltho i'll accept its look. i still think they bumed out and could have done a far better job. I gotta look at this thing for 5 or more years dammit!
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I'm uncertain if the differences in quality between Blu-ray and HD-DVD will be apparent on screens below 50". Or do you mean the actual film titles being sold on Blu-ray? In that case I kinda agree. Of the inital bunch shown for sale I'd probably only get one, maybe two and possibly rent one or two.
I don't know how much influence Sony has on which movie gets released, I'm sure the studios can flex their muscles and say yay or nay. However this looked interesting -
Link
Maybe some big titles will be announced soon?
One thing though Universal are HD DVD only, yeah? The '82 re-make of 'The Thing' (one of my favourite movies) is coming out soon. If it is HD-DVD only I may have to get the 360's HD DVD drive...
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as a journalist i learned to hate microsoft ad the years gone by.
they are trying to plant bad stories, fake stories about the ps3, and that´s just disgusting because many people believe and go like "oh sony is doomed, the ps3 sucks".
i don´t think that by acting like a kid gates and his company will go that far. that article that SL posted is just a great example of this kind of fanboy atitute...
they are trying to plant bad stories, fake stories about the ps3, and that´s just disgusting because many people believe and go like "oh sony is doomed, the ps3 sucks".
i don´t think that by acting like a kid gates and his company will go that far. that article that SL posted is just a great example of this kind of fanboy atitute...
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Gah! Not with the rumble again!In anything other than a racing game, the rumble is pretty much pointless. I get hit in a fighting game and my hands buzz? What's up with that?
And the point is : being able to chose. I mean, you are free to turn off the rumble mode any time you want. But I can't turn it on, if...well it is not existant. This is pretty much a standart, like analog sticks and buttons you know.
I always play with rumble effect, but Shutokou Battle 10 ( Tokyo Highway Battle / Xreme Racer ) has no rumble effect and after 10 min I forgot about it... so I guess it is not as bad as I would have thought, but still imo it would be a silly move of Sony... you know, why I should I buy a crossplatform game on PS3 if I can have rumble on 360 ? "Motion sense" you migth answer, well maybe, gotta try it first....
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Basicly it uses your PS3 and connects to all other PS3's in your team together to make one big Super computer, and then uses it to make scientific calculations for medical research, so they can come up with cures faster, so you would be using your PS3 to cure cancer
. Doing good for the world is only a good thing, im glad Sony have done this.You are able to do it on your PC now.
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Assassins Creed demo due out before release:
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3153114
Some multi-platform games looking better on PS3 (see virtua tennis article)
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/727/727917p1.html
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3153114
Some multi-platform games looking better on PS3 (see virtua tennis article)
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/727/727917p1.html
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Basicly it uses your PS3 and connects to all other PS3's in your team together to make one big Super computer, and then uses it to make scientific calculations for medical research, so they can come up with cures faster, so you would be using your PS3 to cure cancer
You are able to do it on your PC now.
Thanx:tup:
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