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You see Anderton, that's what I'm talking about
Questioning Religion
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You see Anderton, that's what I'm talking about
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The Satanic Church doesn't sound so bad after all:
The Nine Satanic Statements
I; Satan represents indulgence, instead of abstinence!
II; Satan represents vital existence, instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
III; Satan represents undefiled wisdom, instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
IV; Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates!
V; Satan represents vengeance, instead of turning the other cheek!
VI; Satan represents responsibility to the responsible, instead of concern for psychic vampires!
VII; Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all fours, who, because of his "divine spiritual and intellectual development, has become the most vicious animal of all!
VIII; Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
IX; Satan is the best friend the church has ever had, as he has kept it in business all these years!
And guess who was officially crowned "Reverend" of the Satanic Church?
The Nine Satanic Statements
I; Satan represents indulgence, instead of abstinence!
II; Satan represents vital existence, instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
III; Satan represents undefiled wisdom, instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
IV; Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates!
V; Satan represents vengeance, instead of turning the other cheek!
VI; Satan represents responsibility to the responsible, instead of concern for psychic vampires!
VII; Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all fours, who, because of his "divine spiritual and intellectual development, has become the most vicious animal of all!
VIII; Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
IX; Satan is the best friend the church has ever had, as he has kept it in business all these years!
And guess who was officially crowned "Reverend" of the Satanic Church?
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I would like more as well. As I stated in a previous post I don't have a religion butFamine
a relationship with Jesus Christ.
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If someone came up to you and told you that George Bush really wasn't the President, John Kerry was. Would you believe them. Not likely.Tacet_BlueYou see Anderton, that's what I'm talking about
Thats what I'm talking about.
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Yeah you are right, that's the exact same thing.
Or should I say something like, what makes you so sure, that you are not the one saying that John Kerry is president
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In response to how humans were created, or rather, how the church explains evolution, is that God allowed evolution to continue until a certain point until He deemed the time was right.
This is what I was told yesterday by one of the priests at my church. Personally, I think it's all a bunch of BS. That being said, I'm not going to totally leave my faith completely. Church is a time when I can reflect on the past week, and it's very peaceful.
This is what I was told yesterday by one of the priests at my church. Personally, I think it's all a bunch of BS. That being said, I'm not going to totally leave my faith completely. Church is a time when I can reflect on the past week, and it's very peaceful.
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Whoa, wait a minute. I can see the contradiction now.
In one of your posts your saying that Luke and John "fail to mention the birth of Christ at all" but in your next post you say that "In Luke and John's account Jesus was an ordinary man born like any other".
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PakoWhoa, wait a minute. I can see the contradiction now.
Oh come on, that's clutching at straws
I meant ( as you know) that they do not mention his birth (as in the stable thing with the star), as Matthew does, they start with him as a man, and briefly mention that he came from a poor family, I am assuming he was born and did not spring from a spore
Interesting as well, is Marks account of Jesus as an orthodox Jewish Rabbi.
I provided a link to 610 contradictions that are harder to argue than that one. Like, where he was born, why he was called the son of David, and how many generations were there between Him and David, what his last words were, how he was betrayed etc.
Edit: You know the Old Testament originally prophesised the messiah's name as Emanuel!
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Because I searched it out for myself and with God's help now I know.Tacet_BlueYeah you are right, that's the exact same thing.
Or should I say something like, what makes you so sure, that you are not the one saying that John Kerry is president
You will have to do the same thing. "If you search for me with your whole heart
you will find me" (God that is)
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You are exactly right, Jesus is.Flerbizky
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Well, my time here in this thread has come to an end.
To Anderton: Yes, many a time has my opinion and/or stance on a subject changed due to web forum discussion of it - be it that I was unaware of something, or admittedly put in my place when I chose to be ignorant.
To the die-hard believers of this topic, board, and earth (people such as Gil excluded): You have the right to believe what you want and pursue whatever faith it is that you have. All I ask is that you hold that same respect for myself and others like me, who put our faith in different places, such as Famine does science. He isn't slamming you and saying your God isn't real to be an ass. He's doing it because you are, as much as I hate to relate to S13drifting, in fact forcing your faith down his throat. He's stated that he doesn't care how another person leads their life - just as that person shouldn't be so hung up on how he lives his. Famine seems to be a very successful man, and a scholar to boot. Does his "lack of faith" have to hang over his head like a sentence of eternal damnation? Give the guy a break, he's defending his beliefs just as you are your own.
I like Gil. He lives by his faith, and he believes. He's cool with that, it's all he needs. He doesn't need everyone around him to wear a white collar or a habit and attend some form of service every Sunday.
No one is attacking your faith here. They're defending their own.
In closing, be good to one another, no matter what god you pray to. Or don't. 👍
To Anderton: Yes, many a time has my opinion and/or stance on a subject changed due to web forum discussion of it - be it that I was unaware of something, or admittedly put in my place when I chose to be ignorant.
To the die-hard believers of this topic, board, and earth (people such as Gil excluded): You have the right to believe what you want and pursue whatever faith it is that you have. All I ask is that you hold that same respect for myself and others like me, who put our faith in different places, such as Famine does science. He isn't slamming you and saying your God isn't real to be an ass. He's doing it because you are, as much as I hate to relate to S13drifting, in fact forcing your faith down his throat. He's stated that he doesn't care how another person leads their life - just as that person shouldn't be so hung up on how he lives his. Famine seems to be a very successful man, and a scholar to boot. Does his "lack of faith" have to hang over his head like a sentence of eternal damnation? Give the guy a break, he's defending his beliefs just as you are your own.
I like Gil. He lives by his faith, and he believes. He's cool with that, it's all he needs. He doesn't need everyone around him to wear a white collar or a habit and attend some form of service every Sunday.
No one is attacking your faith here. They're defending their own.
In closing, be good to one another, no matter what god you pray to. Or don't. 👍
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It's an interesting analogy. However:
People have met both Bush and Kerry. They've been up to them and shaken them by the hand and gone around putting marks on a bit of paper to choose one of them.
Bush has never sent his Son to the godless (one would assume Iraq), only to have him nailed to a tree and subsequently resurrected. Although Bush senior tried - but Dubya stayed home.
The role of "President of the United States" is a tangible, elected position, whereas the role of "God" is not. No-one had an election for God or Allah (or the third party Ross "Brahma/Vishnu/Shiva" Perot) for the role of Supreme Lord of the Universe - and there certainly hadn't been a vote 4 years earlier, where, but for a recount in Florida, Zeus almost got into office.
Bush doesn't rule as a trinity with his son and an ineffable spirit who goes around impregnating Jewish virgins. Although Colin Powell did have a few character flaws, I'm sure that wasn't one of them.
Actually, you're trying to compare a position of power held by many people on a rotational basis - and who occasionally get shot (I'd have loved to see the Metatron assassinated by Asmodeus from the 6th floor of the Texas Book Repository) - but whom we can all meet to a mythical "Creator" whom you know exists, without any empirical evidence to show the existence of the position, let alone conflict between deities jockeying for the crucial Ohio vote.
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you guys are simply too hung up on religion. its not the books, the leaders, the church, or any supreme being (if you believe in one). its simply about the actions and reactions we have to things. a good person is a good person none the less. If you want to be part of a church then go for it. if you don't want to, then do just that. either way all that matters is happiness of all people. if you don't like religion then don't bother people who do and vice versa <8- P forums are a funny thing, they are never the same as real life. if you want to know more about a religion i would recommend going to that church or place and having a discussion with a person there. don't judge anything until you know both arguments. i wish we could set up a nice big teamspeak server just to discuss things.
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Enjoyed your comments. Come on stick around, its just starting to get interesting.
In response to Anderton's question, I believe for most of us its a resounding yes,
although we propably woudn't admit it.
Enjoyed your comments. Come on stick around, its just starting to get interesting.
In response to Anderton's question, I believe for most of us its a resounding yes,
although we propably woudn't admit it.
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It's late but that's what I've been trying to say.blargonator
Its not about what religion you believe in, it's about (IMO) understanding what it is that religion is trying to teach you.Me
Respect, tolerance, forgiveness, charity and empathy.
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i voted yes, i was sorta a christian, but i belive a mix between yes theres a god "supreme being" but yes some of the scientist theory is right also, Im never the one for belive it because we say so with no questions asked.
The bible is peoples opoinin veiws on what happend. its not jesus's writing
The bible is peoples opoinin veiws on what happend. its not jesus's writing
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Great comment but not exactly what I meant.Famine
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It's very similar to Christianity, they believe in the same God, the main difference being that they don't believe in the Saint Trinity as Christians do, for them Jesus is God. Also the only valid words of God comes from the [font=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica]interpretations issued by the [/font]Watchtower Bible and Tract Society (WBTS), founded in 1884 by Charles Taze Russel. Any other religions (including christianity) is considered "demonic" and led by "antichrists". All Jehovahs witnesses must also collect and send donations to the headquarters in NY.
All that doesn't bother me much, really... with the exception of childrens that are forbidden required blood transfusions by parents, or when someone knocks at my door saturday 9 am with all his family to enlighten me on how I should interpret the Bible (which gladly hasn't happened for a while).
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It's stated in the Bible that the heavens and earth will one point be no longer inexistence, BUT then a new heavens and new earth will emerge...I didn't say it, the Bible does...so if it does offend someone...sorry
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Let's say there was an creator, who's to say it was the Christian God?
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It's good to hear that you can accept that. ( a Christian with an open mind )
open mind?! main streamlined christianity is that there is only one God and one Creator of the universe...not much you can do about that
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You know the Old Testament originally prophesised the messiah's name as Emanuel!
Emmanuel (meaning God with us) is another name for Jesus Christ, aka The Messiah, the Son of God, etc. It's a rendering of His name
http://www.carm.org/bible_difficulties.htm good website with explaining the acclaimed bible contradictions for how they SHOULD be explained, in context...if you do just a little studying, you will find there is usually a very simple and easy answer as to why a passage may be a small problem to read
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Let's say there was an creator, who's to say it was the Christian God?
(In response to above)
It's good to hear that you can accept that. ( a Christian with an open mind )
open mind?! main streamlined christianity is that there is only one God and one Creator of the universe...not much you can do about that
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You know the Old Testament originally prophesised the messiah's name as Emanuel!
Emmanuel (meaning God with us) is another name for Jesus Christ, aka The Messiah, the Son of God, etc. It's a rendering of His name
http://www.carm.org/bible_difficulties.htm good website with explaining the acclaimed bible contradictions for how they SHOULD be explained, in context...if you do just a little studying, you will find there is usually a very simple and easy answer as to why a passage may be a small problem to read
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To get back at the initial question of this thread, I answered yes. I was raised as a catholic, went to church every sunday as a kid, and truly believed. Then, as I grew up and realized how much of this simply defy logic and relies on having blind faith in stories from centuries ago, transmitted by mens who were often far from practicing what it preaches (just do a little research on the glorious legacy of popes, such as Pie II, Paul II or Jules II or Leon X, for example).
The initial message was great, but it has been so much misused to gain power and control, that I don't see in any way why I should have unquestioning faith in any part of this. I often see the church as something that has lost sight of its core values, focusing on the messenger rather than the message.
The initial message was great, but it has been so much misused to gain power and control, that I don't see in any way why I should have unquestioning faith in any part of this. I often see the church as something that has lost sight of its core values, focusing on the messenger rather than the message.
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I agree with everything jpmontoya said, but I'd like to get into the details in following:jpmontoya
My mom is an Jehovah's Witness, so I know a lot of them, but I've never heard one refer to other religion as "demonic" or accuse them of "being led by antichrists". However, they do believe that Satan is real, and he's trying to bring down the world with him.jpmontoya
That is fully optional, and I think I've seen it done once(so long ago, I can't remember), and I've never heard about the donations being collected, sent, or given. They do have an headquarter in N.Y., but from what I understand, it's members donating times & their skills to keep the cost minimum(even construction). I've been to their service many times, they don't even collect donations there.jpmontoya
It's kinda funny, me talking for the Witnesses, but I know about them a little, and most of them are really nice people. I understand how annoying they can be, if they show up at your door or something, but please be patient with them. They are just trying to spread the word, as told in the Bible. If you decline, they won't "shove it down your throat" and if they do, report them!
jpmontoya: I'm pretty impressed that you know so much about the JWs. Most people start describing the Witnesses by saying, that JWs don't accept Jesus Christ, which is not true. Also, blood transfusions thing bothers me a little to. I don't see the merit in them refusing it. Anyways, it's nice to see yet, another GTP member with an open-mind. 👍
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dont JW belive only so many people can be in heaven at once?
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Very nice story, and a story at that not unlike the "Life of Brian" which must be true or the "Holy Grail" which was a nice story as well and true.
"I'll get me coat"
God told me to say this............. now prove my wrong............or I'm just mad!
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Thanks for the precisions, a6m5. The parents of a good friend of mine in high school were JWs, and they were quite nice people. I also remember having a small Bible for childrens from them as a kid because my mother let them in once to chat with them As for contributions, perhaps I should say that here they're strongly suggested here, instead of mandatory. It isn't anywhere near Scientology in terms of reaching deep in followers pockets though. But saturday morning door-to-door walks, often with the whole family, were mandatory a few years ago around here (which doesn't seem to be the case anymore - either that or I'm on some sort of black list 
). I guess all this may vary from different locations, and it's been a few years since I had contacts with one of them, so things may also have evolved.
For the demonic and antichrist parts, I know it's there, it is perhaps toned down for rather obvious reasons. Catholic priests I know that have a bit of common sense also don't preach against contraceptive methods, despite Vatican's official stand on the issue.
). I guess all this may vary from different locations, and it's been a few years since I had contacts with one of them, so things may also have evolved.For the demonic and antichrist parts, I know it's there, it is perhaps toned down for rather obvious reasons. Catholic priests I know that have a bit of common sense also don't preach against contraceptive methods, despite Vatican's official stand on the issue.
