Religion is contrived

[///M-Spec]

and even more precious pearls casted to swine...

Pardon me?


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[smellysocks12]

Swine are creatures made by God as well, the disrespective manner in which you mention them is pretty sad. Swine have feelings too.

 

[smellysocks12]

since when did animals have a soul?

Since when do people have a soul? People are animals with more brain activity.





As a matter of fact that swine might have more brain activity and self-awareness than that crackhead in my avatar. Does that make it that this crackhead will not be judged by God?

 

[Swift]

Since when do people have a soul? People are animals with more brain activity.





As a matter of fact that swine might have more brain activity and self-awareness than that crackhead in my avatar. Does that make it that this crackhead will not be judged by God?

Here's my challenge with what you're saying. You keep saying "God this" and "God that" But you clearly don't believe in God. So, I would suggest you go for the scientific approach like Famine.

And people are not animals with more brain activity. Humans are humans and the animal kingdom is our dominion. It doesn't mean be should just slaughter them are will. But at the same time, if I'm in the mood for some bacon, you know I'm going to be frying it up.

 

[Famine]

And people are not animals with more brain activity. Humans are humans and the animal kingdom is our dominion.

Yes they are (or, more organised brain activity at any rate). Why should we have dominion over animals anyway? Because some book said so?


Can someone PLEASE tell me if cats lived in the Garden of Eden or on Noah's Ark?

 

[vladimir]

mmmh, if life on earth is just a kind of test and then comes the judgement and an eternal life in heaven (or hell)...wouldn't it then be a good thing to kill nice poeple? that way they could skip all the hard work and test stuff here on earth and go straight into heaven!?

of course i don't believe in god, heaven, hell or whatever so i would definately not kill someone, this is entirely theoretical, i am just pondering because something does not seem to be very logial here.


i am not eating animals because someone gave me the right, i eat them because thats the way life has evolved on this planet. i am just a highly developed animal thats used to eat meat.

 

[smellysocks12]

Here's my challenge with what you're saying. You keep saying "God this" and "God that" But you clearly don't believe in God. So, I would suggest you go for the scientific approach like Famine.

Good idea! 👍

Humans are humans and the animal kingdom is our dominion.

This is a really warped view on life. So if any higher life form, aliens with even more awareness of existence than us people you'll be the first one in line to volunteerly become a human meat sandwich for this alien?


Oh wait, you don't believe any other life forums exist out there in the Universe. I guess all those galaxies spotted by astrologists are pictures drawn on the ceiling by God?


Though I'm starting to explain myself more in starwars-esque examples, your explanation of Christianity starts to resemble the empire in Starwars more than anything.

It gives a whole new meaning to this picture:

 

[smellysocks12]

I guess those fossilized bones of dinosaurs they found aren't real either. Must have been a practical joke of God while he was play-dohing our world together in 6 days.

 

[Delirious]

(could care less for the pope)

famine, i dont see why not cats could have lived in both the garden of eden and noahs ark

if a baby dies, it doesnt go to hell because it doesnt have the brain capacity to comprehend on that they are a sinner and have sinned against God and that they need a savior
would seem kind of unfair for a baby to go to hell since it could not understand how to get saved

same with animals...i dont think i could witness to my dog and try to get it saved, it wouldnt understand

thats why you really dont see evangelists at a kennel

 

[Dave A]

Smellysocks, your mis-reading or miss-understanding whats being said. We, humans are in subjection to God, animals are in subjection to us. If some aliens turn up that are more intelligent than us, good for them, were still in subjection to God.

 

[Swift]

Smellysocks, your mis-reading or miss-understanding whats being said. We, humans are in subjection to God, animals are in subjection to us. If some aliens turn up that are more intelligent than us, good for them, were still in subjection to God.

L4S, again. right on target.

(could care less for the pope)

if a baby dies, it doesnt go to hell because it doesnt have the brain capacity to comprehend on that they are a sinner and have sinned against God and that they need a savior
would seem kind of unfair for a baby to go to hell since it could not understand how to get saved

same with animals...i dont think i could witness to my dog and try to get it saved, it wouldnt understand

thats why you really dont see evangelists at a kennel

XVII: I have to disagree on one point. And it's not the Pope I'm sorry he's gone, but he was not more special then you or I.

What I disagree with is what you said about children. The salvation of children is dependent on the parents. If the parents aren't saved, the child isn't. However, once that child reaches the age of accountablity and understanding(different for every child) then it is with them. So if an infant dies and the mother is saved, that child is up in heaven waiting for its mother.

 

[Dave A]

I guess those fossilized bones of dinosaurs they found aren't real either. Must have been a practical joke of God while he was play-dohing our world together in 6 days.

What do dinosaurs have to with anything? If your saw you dissagree with someone you could at least do it with SOME respect. Dinosaurs arn't mentioned in the bible, theyserve little to no relevence to the topic of religion.

 

[Swift]

This is a really warped view on life. So if any higher life form, aliens with even more awareness of existence than us people you'll be the first one in line to volunteerly become a human meat sandwich for this alien?


Oh wait, you don't believe any other life forums exist out there in the Universe. I guess all those galaxies spotted by astrologists are pictures drawn on the ceiling by God?

God talking to Adam and Eve:
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

So, there you have it. Yes, animals are below us. So what, it doesn't mean I go around beating down stray dogs and cats or mutulating someone's pet just because it's an animal.

Smellysocks, judging by your replies, I'd take it you're a strick vegetatrian?

 

[smellysocks12]

L4S, again. right on target.




XVII: I have to disagree on one point. And it's not the Pope I'm sorry he's gone, but he was not more special then you or I.

What I disagree with is what you said about children. The salvation of children is dependent on the parents. If the parents aren't saved, the child isn't. However, once that child reaches the age of accountablity and understanding(different for every child) then it is with them. So if an infant dies and the mother is saved, that child is up in heaven waiting for its mother.

So in other words, if you're a child and your mother kills you... you're practically screwed?

 

[smellysocks12]

Smellysocks, your mis-reading or miss-understanding whats being said. We, humans are in subjection to God, animals are in subjection to us. If some aliens turn up that are more intelligent than us, good for them, were still in subjection to God.

Animals don't "owe" us anything. We didn't create animals. God created us (well, at least that is what you believe) so I guess that's why we are in subjection to him (her/it). So this means animals should be in subjection to God as well. People are just like chimpansees, only taller, with less hair and slightly more brain capacity. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[smellysocks12]

Smellysocks, judging by your replies, I'd take it you're a strick vegetatrian?

I'm not a vegetarian at all, because I don't believe in heaven or hell. I don't consider eating meat to be bad. I believe in genes and evolution, the weaker get eaten. I don't believe in any type of subwhatever of animals to humans. I only believe the reason why killing a human is worse than killing an animal is because of man made laws. If there wouldn't be any laws I might as well have went out and catch me a nice gothic skater steak. Mmmmm, fried infants, yummie.

 

[Dave A]

God created everything righ, that leaves God with the right to choose what anyone car do and who has authoroty over who and what, okay. In Geneses, as Swift has pointed out, God gives us authority over animals, so animals are in subjection to us, because God gave us that right.

 

[vladimir]

So in other words, if you're a child and your mother kills you... you're practically screwed?

why screwed? all the really cool people hang around in hell, im looking forward to it. 👍

 

[Swift]

I'm not a vegetarian at all, because I don't believe in heaven or hell. I don't consider eating meat to be bad. I believe in genes and evolution, the weaker get eaten. I don't believe in any type of subwhatever of animals to humans. I only believe the reason why killing a human is worse than killing an animal is because of man made laws. If there wouldn't be any laws I might as well have went out and catch me a nice gothic skater steak. Mmmmm, fried infants, yummie.

I've got a question. Since you have no faith or belief in anything you can't put your hands on, why even argue your points. They have zero merit since they're not based in faith or science.

By the way, you may be a monkey's uncle. But I am not.

 

[Delirious]

the founders of this country were i think pretty cool people who a good deal of them were christians

 

[smellysocks12]

I've got a question. Since you have no faith or belief in anything you can't put your hands on, why even argue your points. They have zero merit since they're not based in faith or science.

By the way, you may be a monkey's uncle. But I am not.

You're related to monkeys as well, only too proud and ignorant to realize it.

 

[Swift]

You're related to monkeys as well, only too proud and ignorant to realize it.

Nope sorry, and since you CAN'T prove that to me anymore then I can prove to you that God created me in his image then you will stop telling me what I am.

 

[Dave A]

You're related to monkeys as well, only too proud and ignorant to realize it.

Stupid comment, you should have said, "I belieive your related to monkeys as well". Find proof of evolution and get back to me okay. It's called the evolution theory because it's just that, a theory and like I said it can't be proven right, neither can their be found definitive proof of God. Personally I'd rather believe in a od for two reasons, 1: the universe is so perfect especially our solar system which it would seem was designed just to sustain life on this planet. 2: because a belief in God gives you hope for the future, everlasting life in God's kingdom with your loved ones, the evolution theory doesn't.

 

[vladimir]

it is proven that we are closely related to monkeys. thats the truth, scientifically proven, not suggested by a 2000 year old novel.

 

[smellysocks12]

Nope sorry, and since you CAN'T prove that to me anymore then I can prove to you that God created me in his image then you will stop telling me what I am.

I saw your picture in the user pics topic and I do see resemblances when holding it next to this one.

 

[smellysocks12]

Stupid comment, you should have said, "I belieive your related to monkeys as well". Find proof of evolution and get back to me okay. It's called the evolution theory because it's just that, a theory and like I said it can't be proven right, neither can their be found definitive proof of God. Personally I'd rather believe in a od for two reasons, 1: the universe is so perfect especially our solar system which it would seem was designed just to sustain life on this planet. 2: because a belief in God gives you hope for the future, everlasting life in God's kingdom with your loved ones, the evolution theory doesn't.

I never said that there isn't a God, as a matter of fact, I don't rule out that there is one. All I know is that the whole story of jesus and the creation theory are complete bogus, made up by a bunch of near-cavemen who were in need of an explanation of existence and this is the best they came up with.


It's obvious to me why some religious people don't believe in the evolution theory, since when looking at their mindstate they haven't evaluated much since 2000 years ago.


Your 2nd point clearly describes it, it gives hope. Looking at the future as an empty hole while you're rotting away isn't a pretty sight to look forward to. I don't, but I guess I'm too down to earth to fool myself with a story which I would like the afterlife to be like.

 

[Famine]

famine, i dont see why not cats could have lived in both the garden of eden and noahs ark

In the Garden there was no bloodshed, according to your earlier words. The Ark carried two of every species of cat - from Felis domesticus up through to Felis leo - for 40 days and 40 nights. And only 7 "clean" animals to feed them all - and Noah, his wife, his three sons and their wives.


The cat family have a peculiar imbalance in amino acids. They require certain amino acids to be ingested - arginine and taurine - or they die. A domestic cat cannot survive for more than three days without taurine. Taurine and arginine are found exclusively in meat. So, where did the cats in the bloodless Garden of Eden get their taurine and arginine and how did Noah manage to get sufficient taurine and arginine into the hundreds of feline species with just 7 cows on board?


Answers on a postcard.


live4speed - GO back and read everything I've posted in the Creation vs Evolution thread. Then find if your educational institution can get a subscription to BIDS/ISI or WoS and find the papers yourself.

 

[vladimir]

Stupid comment, you should have said, "I belieive your related to monkeys as well". Find proof of evolution and get back to me okay. It's called the evolution theory because it's just that, a theory and like I said it can't be proven right, neither can their be found definitive proof of God. Personally I'd rather believe in a od for two reasons, 1: the universe is so perfect especially our solar system which it would seem was designed just to sustain life on this planet. 2: because a belief in God gives you hope for the future, everlasting life in God's kingdom with your loved ones, the evolution theory doesn't.

thanks to bones mankind has found and examined we know how humans, monkeys and other animals looked like in the past. so we can recreate the process of evolution.
furthermore the DNA shows that we are almost identical to many other species.

1. the universe is perfect? sorry, but there are so many planets and nobody can live on most of them. and we all know that our solar system is not eternal. one day the sun will go out, or we might be hit by a huge asteroid. i would not call this exactly perfect, it just shows how unimportant we are. we could easily be extinguished and it would not matter at all to the universe. the earth is one unimportant small planet somewhere in that huge universe. thats science again...

2. thats exactly the point. you create your god, mankind created god, out of fear. most people can't stand the truth, they need a god to feel save and find hope.

of course the evolution theory does not give anybody hope, because its not supposed to give us hope, its supposed to explain reality. if you need a lie to stay alive, thats your problem.

 

[Dave A]

Maybe, just maybe that balance of arganine and taurine was altered by God, their creator after the Flood in Noah's day. Thats when animals started eating meat, so in terms of beliefe in God, it's logical to think that God changed the balances needed to sustain the animals after that point in time.

It's as logical as thinking everything was created by chance and that a fish grew legs and decided it liked dry land more than the water.

 

[Dave A]

I never said that there isn't a God, as a matter of fact, I don't rule out that there is one. All I know is that the whole story of jesus and the creation theory are complete bogus, made up by a bunch of near-cavemen who were in need of an explanation of existence and this is the best they came up with.


It's obvious to me why some religious people don't believe in the evolution theory, since when looking at their mindstate they haven't evaluated much since 2000 years ago.


Your 2nd point clearly describes it, it gives hope. Looking at the future as an empty hole while you're rotting away isn't a pretty sight to look forward to. I don't, but I guess I'm too down to earth to fool myself with a story which I would like the afterlife to be like.

Since your so determind to push your idea's onto everyone else that doesn't agree with you, I'm going to ask you now, PROVE ME WRONG. Beliefe that life came from a life is far more believable than the idea the universe happened by chance.