Several explosions on London Underground

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What Do You Think Of The Situation?

  • Terrorist Actions Are Wrong

    Votes: 80 92.0%
  • Terrorist Actions Can Be Justified

    Votes: 7 8.0%

  • Total voters
    87
Famine
Okay. Maybe it's my weird sense of humour that raised a smile from me when I realised this, but bear with me.

This is just how good at being evil Al Qai'da are.

Six separate devices planted and detonated at rush hour, including one on a bus. Total death toll from these deliberate acts of malice - 35 (to be adjusted)

One man chucks away a cigarette. It catches alight some rubbish. Total death toll from this one accident?

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THAT'S how much you've worried London. The rest of Britain is even less impressed. By the end of the weekend, the transport system will be back to normal, and by week Friday everyone will be complaining about the Tube again and laughing their arses off at Adam Kay & Suman Biswas's song.

Al Qa'ida - you aren't even on the scale.

Wow. How to pwn a terrorist in one easy lesson.
 
It doesn't say how much they know of the bombs.

From what I have heard they are blowing up anything that looks mildly suspicious.
 
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My school (CLSB) is the most central london school, on the way to school today my bus was evacuated.
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I am lucky I live within 2 miles of my school, I could walk home. Many live 20 or 40 miles away. They are staying the night.
Glad to hear you're okay.
 
We need to do a better job at tracking down these scum bags and killing them . They want to be martyrs so lets give them a helping bullet . Our governments need to get crackin at trackin . Its past time to stop being nice about it . You are either going to help put then out of business or you need to take cover while we do it . This is bull ...let the friggin hunt begin .
 
Famine
Okay. Maybe it's my weird sense of humour that raised a smile from me when I realised this, but bear with me.

This is just how good at being evil Al Qai'da are.

Six separate devices planted and detonated at rush hour, including one on a bus. Total death toll from these deliberate acts of malice - 35 (to be adjusted)

One man chucks away a cigarette. It catches alight some rubbish. Total death toll from this one accident?

_31728_memory.JPG


THAT'S how much you've worried London. The rest of Britain is even less impressed. By the end of the weekend, the transport system will be back to normal, and by week Friday everyone will be complaining about the Tube again and laughing their arses off at Adam Kay & Suman Biswas's song.

Al Qa'ida - you aren't even on the scale.

That is mildly amusing in a stange way, if whoever's organised the bombings could see this and realise that after the months and months of preparation, plenty of funding and the equipment and the effort, he's only just done more than a cigarette.
 
Wow, this is the first time I´m reading about this, how could I miss it all day? Pretty sad what happened. 👎
 
Thanks everyone for your support,

I am suprised that I seem to be the only GTPer who was involved in the blasts, it seems odd to think that I am the only active central London member.

And Famine, you need to adjust your amount dead (it should read 37.) it is funny that the terorists managed only 6 more dead than the smoker however if that incident had happened after 2002 I would be surprised if more than 1 person was killed.

It is testament to our excellent safety procedures that and effectiveness in evacuating the tube that 60 or 70 were not killed.
 
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It is testament to our excellent safety procedures that and effectiveness in evacuating the tube that 60 or 70 were not killed.

Indeed... London is better equiped and better trained to deal with such an atrocity (and that is what it was yesterday) than just about anywhere in the world... the fact is, numbers of dead and comparisons to other incidents are irrelevant - one murder is one murder too many - 37 murders is an atrocity - but thankfully, it seems even with months of planning, and enough explosives, that these terrorists can do no more than affect 0.01% of the London population (700 people)... 99.99% of us were totally unscathed, despite the best efforts of a well-organised bunch of murderous fundamentalists who have no right to call themselves 'Islamic'...
 
I think if this happened a week ago, we would be seeing Paris 2012.

Yea i would also like to say how well the emergency services coped and am sure saved many lives because of their quick response.
 
Not much left to say that hasn't been said about this, so I'll chime in with one thought.

The day after 9/11, I saw a powerful image of solidarity. A picture of a little girl (could have been a boy, I'm just not sure) who held a sign at a candlelight vigil somewhere in Europe (Paris, perhaps?) which read: We are all Americans.

Today, I'd like to express that we are all Britons.


M
 
kikie
Who's the one who voted: Terrorist Actions Can Be Justified
I am just glad to see that many of our valued members have reported in. Savage killing can never be justified, but the civilized world will continue to face such atrocities until it comes to grips with what motivates extremists. It is no longer a world of black versus white, red versus white and them against us. By all means we must bring the perpetrators to justice, but at the same time we must put down our pitchforks and torches. Incidents like this could so easily conflagurate into a race war, which would play right into the hands of the anarchists. We must seek a way to end the violence, to share the limited resources of the world we all must live in together.
I don't want my son to die in some god forsaken desert because all the hawk's call for more death and bullets, has any of these warmongers ever compaired numbers?
I once read a study that said if all the able bodied warriors of the Arab nations combined against all the forces of NATO, it would be a 10,000 to one ratio. Can each soldier be confident that his smart bomb will kill 10,000 enemies?
Attacks like yesterday are leveraging events, designed to pitch our societies into a series of escalations that surely would qualify as armageddon, are we so blind as to walk right down the laid out path?
Let us instead avenge the deaths with life, life for all peoples, not just the ones that look like us or smell like us. I close with a quote and response that I believe supports my position.
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I dont beleive that this was a serious attack, the amount of explosives used could have taken down a building, I think it was a warning...

Now I know I am about to make myself hugely unpopular,
but,

I blame bob geldof. Here is my reasoning, Bob Geldof encouraged thousands to march on Scotland, far more than Gleneagles can hold.

Fearing a riot a much larger amount of armed police were required, these police were Met Police policing the square mile.

With the armed police in short supply the visable and physical deterent was gone, aloowing multiple bombs to be planted.

I beleive that Bob Geldof's poor judgement is partially responsible for these attacks.
While I don't necessarily blame the man (although I thank my God that I wasn't and will never be in his shoes), it is commonly known, at least in this part of the world, that bank robberies increase during parades and other social events. Apparently it is common knowlege that nefarious things can be accomplished when the police are otherwise occupied. Anyone remember the L.A. riots and the Sublime song written about them?
Please let's fight the hate instead of each other.
 
rk
I am just glad to see that many of our valued members have reported in. Savage killing can never be justified, but the civilized world will continue to face such atrocities until it comes to grips with what motivates extremists. It is no longer a world of black versus white, red versus white and them against us. By all means we must bring the perpetrators to justice, but at the same time we must put down our pitchforks and torches. Incidents like this could so easily conflagurate into a race war, which would play right into the hands of the anarchists. We must seek a way to end the violence, to share the limited resources of the world we all must live in together.
I don't want my son to die in some god forsaken desert because all the hawk's call for more death and bullets, has any of these warmongers ever compaired numbers?
I once read a study that said if all the able bodied warriors of the Arab nations combined against all the forces of NATO, it would be a 10,000 to one ratio. Can each soldier be confident that his smart bomb will kill 10,000 enemies?
Attacks like yesterday are leveraging events, designed to pitch our societies into a series of escalations that surely would qualify as armageddon, are we so blind as to walk right down the laid out path?
Let us instead avenge the deaths with life, life for all peoples, not just the ones that look like us or smell like us. I close with a quote and response that I believe supports my position.

You didn't actually say if you voted for that or not. And if you did and are trying to explain why or why someone else did you failed. You merely explained that we shouldn't try to attack them in return. You did not justify their actions, which I do not believe can be done. You can never justify the targetting of innocent civilians on their way to work.

Also you said that you don't want your son to die in a desert. You live in the USA which means he won't unless he volunteers to go and fight. Every man and woman in Iraq and Afghanistan right now volunteered to join the armed forces. Would I send my son? No, because it is not my choice but his and I would support his decision. I did want to join the Air force but was turned down due to a medical condition.

As for your Arabs versus NATO statistic. All able-bodied warriors of Arab countries means any male over 12 and NATO forces means those already enlisted in NATO and does not count the meber countries' armed forces. The number difference has been skewed by poor datya analysis. And this would all truly depend on having some horrid situation that led to all of the Middle East going to war with all the countries of NATO. But just like Iraqis are working with Americans not every Arabian person would be against the NATO countries. Every person on this board can agree that not all men of Arabian descent are terrorists or even support terrorists. In fact more are against them than with them. Your statistics are a case of careful wording to create propaganda.
 
Terrorist Actions Can't Be Justified !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just like I think it is completely wrong of the western civilization to occupy and attack other countries (Iraq, Afghanistan).
I am not an agressive person. The attacks agains Iraq and Afghanistan are also some kind of terrorisme (legal terrorisme), I am against all kind of violence. As long there are crazy people like Bin Laden, Sadam, Bush, Blair etc... there always be war. As long there are religions, there will be war.As long there is the hunger for power, there will be war.
You can't change that unless you change the human nature.
If my country goes to war, I refuse to go and fight. I am not going to kill another human being.
But still I say: Terrorist Actions Can't Be Justified !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
///M-Spec
Not much left to say that hasn't been said about this, so I'll chime in with one thought.

The day after 9/11, I saw a powerful image of solidarity. A picture of a little girl (could have been a boy, I'm just not sure) who held a sign at a candlelight vigil somewhere in Europe (Paris, perhaps?) which read: We are all Americans.

Today, I'd like to express that we are all Britons.


M



Thankyou M :)👍
 
Famine
He's only after a passport...

And a Euro spec E36 M3 on the side.

Have they finished getting the bodies out of the Russel square/Kings cross tunnel yet. That tunnel is some deep tunnel.
 
No, apparently there is a fear that the tunnel is unsafe. There are an "unknown" amount of bodies still in there :(
 
kikie
Terrorist Actions Can't Be Justified !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just like I think it is completely wrong of the western civilization to occupy and attack other countries (Iraq, Afghanistan).
I am not an agressive person. The attacks agains Iraq and Afghanistan are also some kind of terrorisme (legal terrorisme), I am against all kind of violence. As long there are crazy people like Bin Laden, Sadam, Bush, Blair etc... there always be war. As long there are religions, there will be war.As long there is the hunger for power, there will be war.
You can't change that unless you change the human nature.
If my country goes to war, I refuse to go and fight. I am not going to kill another human being.
But still I say: Terrorist Actions Can't Be Justified !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know why they are terrorist. I know why they think blowing up civilians is justified . I know the world is not always a fair place .

Now lets find the scumbags and kill them . I know why they need to be put down .
Love and peace and understanding will not stop them .
A bullet in the head WILL without a doubt .
 
ledhed
I know why they are terrorist.
I wish I knew. They all got a sick mind, blowing up innocent people, all in the name of God!!! This is sick. I don't understand how they can live with what they did.
Sorry to say this, i don't want to insult anybody but I can't even understand, how soldiers can live with what they did ==> bombing innocent people (sitting in their aeroplanes). This is as bad as those evil terrorists. Even though I find the bombing (like in London or Spain or WTC towers, the worst thing anybody can do)

ledhed
I know why they think blowing up civilians is justified.
Tell me, but I think there is no justification (I can accept).
I want to know what is going on in their sick mind.
 
foolkiller79
You didn't actually say if you voted for that or not. And if you did and are trying to explain why or why someone else did you failed. You merely explained that we shouldn't try to attack them in return.
Also you said that you don't want your son to die in a desert. You live in the USA which means he won't unless he volunteers to go and fight.

As for your Arabs versus NATO statistic. All able-bodied warriors of Arab countries means any male over 12 and NATO forces means those already enlisted in NATO and does not count the meber countries' armed forces. Your statistics are a case of careful wording to create propaganda.
I didn't vote because there was no third option. I believe terrorists' actions can be understood, mitigated and eventually eliminated, but yes, it will take a change in basic human conduct if not nature. I never even implied that we shouldn't attack "them". It is this "them" attitude that will blind us and play into the hands of the deathmongers. I am very confident that one of the agendas of "The Deathmongers" is to re-instate the draft, my fears are very real and valid. What war didn't have a draft? All this president has to do is convince the people that his war is coming to American soil and he will have his draft, the selective service even now prepares for the day.
Please become informed of the statistics before you call my figures propaganda. it is also known, based on census data, that Muslims will outnumber Christians by the year 2025, you think hardliners are going to sit idly and watch it happen? There are those among us who are very frightened by Muslim ideologies, I would say mainly their abhorrance of usury, which western commerce DEPENDS on.
Put that in yer pipe and smoke it (which means: think about the implications).
Does anyone remember the story about Jesus and the moneylenders? He entered the temple and turned over their tables in anger...
ledhed
I know why they are terrorist. I know why they think blowing up civilians is justified . I know the world is not always a fair place .

Now lets find the scumbags and kill them . I know why they need to be put down .
Love and peace and understanding will not stop them .
A bullet in the head WILL without a doubt .
Will you be the one to fire the first bullet? Can you look St. Peter (he's the guy at the desk outside the Pearly Gates who decides if you get into Heaven) in the eye and say what you did was in God's name?
Personally, I would rather die a thousand deaths than shame my creator, but that's just me.
This is not a position to argue, it is a perspective that might somehow spare bloodshed, if those that read it are not already blinded by those who profit off of misery.
 
kikie
Sorry to say this, i don't want to insult anybody but I can't even understand, how soldiers can live with what they did ==> bombing innocent people (sitting in their aeroplanes). This is as bad as those evil terrorists. Even though I find the bombing (like in London or Spain or WTC towers, the worst thing anybody can do)

WHOA!!! What soldiers are purposely bombing innocent people? See that is the difference between the terrorists and a soldier. A soldier does not target innocent civilians, a terrorist does. When soldiers find out they missed a target or had bad information and that they killed innocent people, or even children they sometimes need years of therapy to overcome the guilt, and some are immediately sent home because they are no longer able to go into battle.

When a terrorist kills innocent civilians, as they did in Oklahoma City, New York City, Washington DC, Madrid, London, and daily in Iraq they run around in the streets having a party shooting thier guns into the air while grinning and laughing. When I saw that on the news on September 11th I could barely contain my anger. They celebrated the death of the innocent. On a side note: the footage of street celebrations on CNN came from one of the cities hit by the tsunami, but American soldiers were the first on the ground with supplies and the United States gave the most aid.

And many American soldiers are not in airplanes. Soldiers are dying everyday on the ground. Yes, we have air support but the main fighting is now being done from the ground. I suggest you watch "Black Hawk Down" and tell me about the soldiers killing innocent civilians from their airplanes.

Not being for war is one thing. I can accept someone just seeing it as bad in general and no war ever being good. My wife is that way. If she had her way all of Europe would now be called Germany. Yes, she even says we should have stayed out of World War II. I can shake my head at that, but someone accusing soldiers of attacking and targeting innocent civilians is the same as accusing them of murder. You would probably be better off just calling them a terrorist.

I am sorry I went on a rant, but I have friends overseas and they never tell me about shooting the women and children, only about dodging RPGs and roadside bombs, which DO kill innocent people.

rk
I didn't vote because there was no third option. I believe terrorists' actions can be understood, mitigated and eventually eliminated, but yes, it will take a change in basic human conduct if not nature. I never even implied that we shouldn't attack "them". It is this "them" attitude that will blind us and play into the hands of the deathmongers. I am very confident that one of the agendas of "The Deathmongers" is to re-instate the draft, my fears are very real and valid. What war didn't have a draft? All this president has to do is convince the people that his war is coming to American soil and he will have his draft, the selective service even now prepares for the day.
Please become informed of the statistics before you call my figures propaganda. it is also known, based on census data, that Muslims will outnumber Christians by the year 2025, you think hardliners are going to sit idly and watch it happen? There are those among us who are very frightened by Muslim ideologies, I would say mainly their abhorrance of usury, which western commerce DEPENDS on.
Put that in yer pipe and smoke it (which means: think about the implications).
Does anyone remember the story about Jesus and the moneylenders? He entered the temple and turned over their tables in anger...
Will you be the one to fire the first bullet? Can you look St. Peter (he's the guy at the desk outside the Pearly Gates who decides if you get into Heaven) in the eye and say what you did was in God's name?
Personally, I would rather die a thousand deaths than shame my creator, but that's just me.
This is not a position to argue, it is a perspective that might somehow spare bloodshed, if those that read it are not already blinded by those who profit off of misery.

Are you then saying that ALL Muslims are terrorists? There are many peaceful Muslims and Islam, when not twisted by fanatics, is a peaceful religion. Mohammed himself even had peaceful relationships with Christian kings. So Muslims outnumbering Christians means nothing, unless you want to assume that they are all fanatics.

Where have you heard that there is going to be a draft? Outside of liberal commentators and John Kerry's accusations of a "backdoor draft" I have not heard any credible evidence for a draft. And yes other wars have used drafts but their death tolls were much, much higher than this war. In order to reach teh death toll numbers of Vietname we would have to continue for another 20 years. I believe we can voluntarily recruit enough soldiers at that rate.

Your language alone shows a bias against President Bush, unless you mean someone else when you say "deathmongers." Don't forget that Democrats have sent people into battle and President Clinton himself launched more missiles into Iraq than we used in the entire first Iraq War. And President Bush doesn't need to convince me that this war is coming to American soil, I saw it on TV and have a picture of Lower Manhattan pre 9/11 on my desk now with a quote from Ayn Rand that says, "When I see the city...I feel that if a war came to threaten this, I would like to throw myself into space, over the city, and protect these buildings with my body."
 
foolkiller79
WHOA!!! What soldiers are purposely bombing innocent people?
No soldier does that on purpose.
foolkiller79
When soldiers find out they missed a target or had bad information and that they killed innocent people, or even children they sometimes need years of therapy to overcome the guilt, and some are immediately sent home because they are no longer able to go into battle.
Don't become a soldier. They know the possibilty exist that they have to go to war and can kill innocent people (not on purpose). I am sorry but this is my opinion ==> Soldier who go to war (they have to obey orders, I know) they know that, they know that they are targetting place where innocent people live. Don't become a soldier, you don't have to go to therapy to overcome the guilt. It is their choice to become a soldier.
foolkiller79
They celebrated the death of the innocent.
I know, that is sick

foolkiller79
I am sorry I went on a rant, but I have friends overseas and they never tell me about shooting the women and children, only about dodging RPGs and roadside bombs, which DO kill innocent people.
Everybody has their own opinion about things. You're right, soldiers do not target innocent people but these people can be victims of the attacks and that is what I am saying. Terrorist are doing this out of hate and killing innocent people on purpose, soldier do kill but not on purpose but still it is the same result ==> these people are death.
I really appreciate what the Americans did during WOII for Europe 👍 👍 👍


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