Shooting At Munich Shopping Centre Germany

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Sam Hyde has struck again! How do we stop him!?

Yeah why hasn't he been stopped.

As for the Munich situation it is supposedly 5 dead only right now instead of 6

 

[Johnnypenso]

Yeah why hasn't he been stopped.

As for the Munich situation it is supposedly 5 dead only right now instead of 6

Live feed confirms 5 dead and they're asking people to get off the highways in the surrounding area.

 

[Rage Racer]

Live feed confirms 5 dead and they're asking people to get off the highways in the surrounding area.

I heard, already 7.

 

[Johnnypenso]

CNN is reporting 6 with 3 gunmen on the loose:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/22/europe/germany-munich-shooting/index.html

If true, the fact that they escaped could indicate a level of organization and planning that is often missing in some of these terrorist attacks. If there are indeed three, it also indicates a worrying level of conspiracy that could be much wider and there might be something bigger at hand here.

 

[20832]

Live feed confirms 5 dead and they're asking people to get off the highways in the surrounding area.

German media reports 6 dead.

Considering the association of this day of Anders Breivik's terror attack, and being the 5th anniversary of the attack, I wouldn't necessarely jump to the conclusion that it is an terror attack by islamic extremists, but rather right-wing nationalists.

We'll see, everything is kinda rushing by and very unorginazed at the moment. Luckily, our german efficiency seems to work just fine in terms of the police work.

GSG9 from Hesse and Baden-Wüttenberg has been called to aid as well in order to more effectively track down and (potentially) neutralize the target.

 

[Johnnypenso]

German media reports 6 dead.

Considering the association of this day of Anders Breivik's terror attack, and being the 5th anniversary of the attack, I wouldn't necessarely jump to the conclusion that it is an terror attack by islamic extremists, but rather right-wing nationalists.

We'll see, everything is kinda rushing by and very unorginazed at the moment. Luckily, our german efficiency seems to work just fine in terms of the police work.

GSG9 from Hesse and Baden-Wüttenberg has been called to aid as well in order to more effectively track down and (potentially) neutralize the target.

I wasn't aware of the connection with the date of the Breivik incident. Not good news.

 

[Bo]

It's radical Islamists.

And this is why you wait instead of pretending to know what's going on.

 

[DK]

Given the probable neo-Nazi beliefs of the attackers, I'm wondering two things:

1. How it took so long (arson attacks and a failed grenade attack excepted) for them to strike since the refugee crisis began (and on a related note, why they didn't attack a refugee centre)
2. If they've risen from the ashes of the "National Socialist Underground" which was busted a few years ago.

 

[Vinylshark]

Where did our evolution go wrong that mankind is always out for blood?

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

German media reports 6 dead.

Considering the association of this day of Anders Breivik's terror attack, and being the 5th anniversary of the attack, I wouldn't necessarely jump to the conclusion that it is an terror attack by islamic extremists, but rather right-wing nationalists.

We'll see, everything is kinda rushing by and very unorginazed at the moment. Luckily, our german efficiency seems to work just fine in terms of the police work.

GSG9 from Hesse and Baden-Wüttenberg has been called to aid as well in order to more effectively track down and (potentially) neutralize the target.

Here's my thoughts, why would any group of people decide Germany is a good place to stage an attack. The damn country made a military police force that rival that of actual full on military forces of other nations alone.

The dang special unit police force was designed to deal with and be a counter terrorism hub, after the original Munich attacks. This is just lazy, people don't do their homework sometimes. Hope they quickly dispatch these shooters.

 

[mister dog]

And this is why you wait instead of pretending to know what's going on.

I haven't been proven wrong just yet, so don't jump to conclusions yourself.
Not that there weren't enough radical Islamic attacks recently, to not suspect more of the same right?

 

[Johnnypenso]

Given the probable neo-Nazi beliefs of the attackers, I'm wondering two things:

1. How it took so long (arson attacks and a failed grenade attack excepted) for them to strike since the refugee crisis began (and on a related note, why they didn't attack a refugee centre)
2. If they've risen from the ashes of the "National Socialist Underground" which was busted a few years ago.

Too early to even talk about probabilities IMO. We have no idea who these people are at this point so there is nothing to be gained by guessing.

 

[20832]

Given the probable neo-Nazi beliefs of the attackers, I'm wondering two things:

1. How it took so long (arson attacks and a failed grenade attack excepted) for them to strike since the refugee crisis began (and on a related note, why they didn't attack a refugee centre)
2. If they've risen from the ashes of the "National Socialist Underground" which was busted a few years ago.

Nationalist thinking also exists outside of the NSU here in Germany, especially in the eastern states of Germany.
Again, jumping to either conclusion is way too early at this point, but regardless if it was a political or religious crime, I think we can all agree that this act of violence (actively avoid the term terror) is completely unnecessary and people had to die because of this useless and pathetic crime.

All in all, with all of the recent happenings in the past few weeks, it's really tough to have a somewhat positive outlook on the future of our race and it seems like that we resort to more and more violence. It's just sad.

Here's my thoughts, why would any group of people decide Germany is a good place to stage an attack. The damn country made a military police force that rival that of actual full on military forces of other nations alone.

The dang special unit police force was designed to deal with and be a counter terrorism hub, after the original Munich attacks. This is just lazy, people don't do their homework sometimes. Hope they quickly dispatch these shooters.

And the GSG9 isn't even our "best" force. If everything goes to 🤬 , we still have the KSK.

Ultimately, I just feel like that, equally to an attack in the US, they just want to show that they're able to strike anywhere and anytime they please, and no country is immune to some sort of ideology. And besides the US, Germany certainly is also a very big player to hit to boast yourself in saying how powerful you are.

Not to mention that is (potentially) the second islamic terror attack in three days. But they've not only chosen a bad place in Germany, but ESPECIALLY in Bavaria, where the people generally are very nationalistic and conservative. Horst Seehofer has been very vocal against the immigration, or the general course of immigration that our gouvernment is practicing, and that'll certain give him some more tinder for his flame, if it turns out to be an islamic terror attack. The second one, after all, in Bavaria.

 

[Robin]

I know the perpetrators of these incidents usually end up dead but it would be better for once if we actually caught someone to maybe learn something about preventing further incidents an also have them face justice by spending life in a cell.

 

[Liquid]

Death count rises to 8.

An additional male body has been found and police are "investigating his involvement in the offence."

 

[Rage Racer]

Well, my thoughts - if they were an Islamist gang, they would already be shot or blow themselves up. But these are cold-blooded thugs who planned their actions well, with a getaway plan. Looks like we have at least three new Breiviks. Even the day chosen is probably not a coincedence (just 5 years after the attack in Norway). And a feeling when "Guess what's their religion lol" jokers did not guess this time.

Also, watching what's happening in Munchen, the police actions, I feel like Germany is much better prepared for things like this than France was.

UPD: Uh, 🤬, I heard 9th dead body was found.

 

[DK]

Someone has posted a transcript of what one of the suspects was caught saying on camera. Language warning.

 

[justin credible]

Someone has posted a transcript of what one of the suspects was caught saying on camera. Language warning.

Doesn't seem the lingo of a Islamic terrorist sounds more like a crazed loon (there is a difference) I can't recall Islamic terrorists in the past holding conversations they just walk in open fire keep firing until they get the chance to meet the virgins they were promised.

With it being a shopping centre any one know if cctv is used there?

 

[zzz_pt]

Doesn't seem the lingo of a Islamic terrorist sounds more like a crazed loon (there is a difference) I can't recall Islamic terrorists in the past holding conversations they just walk in open fire keep firing until they get the chance to meet the virgins they were promised.

With it being a shopping centre any one know if cctv is used there?

Yes. At least in Hamburg there's CCTV in shopping centers, airport, train stations, etc. But if they're always recording I've no idea.

From the transcript DK posted, if credible, at least this shooter might be the son of a Turkish immigrant (there's a really big Turkish community in Germany).

That doesn't mean he is an islamist but it doesn't mean he isn't. The large majority of Turkish people and their decedents are muslim so there's a chance. Everything is still unclear atm.

It doesn't sound like the usual islamic terrorist attack but they've been changing their ways of acting too.

The worse is clearly all the people who lost their lives there and the pan of their relatives. In a damn shopping center...

 

[Liquid]

If that transcript is authentic, it sounds more like this could be people frustrated with the poverty line or disillusionment with growing up in welfare web. Hartz IV, the unemployment benefit, was specifically mentioned.

 

[justin credible]

Yes. At least in Hamburg there's CCTV in shopping centers, airport, train stations, etc. But if they're always recording I've no idea.

From the transcript DK posted, if credible, at least this shooter might be the son of a Turkish immigrant (there's a really big Turkish community in Germany).

That doesn't mean he is an islamist but it doesn't mean he isn't. The large majority of Turkish people and their decedents are muslim so there's a chance. Everything is still unclear atm.

It doesn't sound like the usual islamic terrorist attack but they've been changing their ways of acting too.

The worse is clearly all the people who lost their lives there and the pan of their relatives. In a damn shopping center...

Have these Turkish immigrants had a hard time in Germany? I am thinking of the unemployment like Liquid mentions and if the guy has just lost the plot or has set out to do as much damage as possible...terror attack.

Yes the families of the deceased must come first and they have my heart felt sorrow. Exactly a shopping centre visit and they don't come home is ridiculous and unacceptable.

 

[zzz_pt]

Have these Turkish immigrants had a hard time in Germany? I am thinking of the unemployment like Liquid mentions and if the guy has just lost the plot or has set out to do as much damage as possible...terror attack.

Yes the families of the deceased must come first and they have my heart felt sorrow. Exactly a shopping centre visit and they don't come home is ridiculous and unacceptable.

Well, some have, others have not. I see plenty of turskish here and they're doing quiete Ok. But of course, there are others that don't do so well and part of them have only themselves to blame. One of my favorite places to have lunch during the week is a turkish "donner" where all the employees and the owner are turskish and really nice people (CNN turkey always on lol). A girl that works next to me is a daughter of a turkish emmigrant and they're doing quite OK too. Last monday I went to play football in a public place and 2 turkish guys joined me and my mates to have fun.

That being said, I still think is less probable that a poor fundamentalist jain or poor fundamentalist buhddist to go to a mall and shoot random people than a poor fundamentalist muslim from the middle east or turkey to do the same. And this is not a preconcieved judgement but a conclusion taken from what happens around the world.

 

[DK]

If the shooter actually is German-born with Turkish ancestry, I just wonder what would prompt him to shout "🤬 foreigners!" Coupled with him mentioning the 4th phase of the Hartz welfare reforms, I wonder if he resents the million or so refugees that came to Germany over the last c.18 months.

 

[zzz_pt]

^ He didn't. According to your link, the Balcony man shouted that to the shooter, not the other way around.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Anyhow i find it unbelievable that you guys still don't want to make said conclusion.

Just this week, a man drove a flaming car into a Sydney police station. It had all the hallmarks of a terrorist attack, except for the part where it wasn't carried out by a terrorist.

If jumping to conclusions was an Olympic sport, you'd win the gold medal.

 

[mister dog]

Just this week, a man drove a flaming car into a Sydney police station. It had all the hallmarks of a terrorist attack, except for the part where it wasn't carried out by a terrorist.

If jumping to conclusions was an Olympic sport, you'd win the gold medal.

Yeah silly me, how could i dare to jump to a conclusion this was an Islamic attack. Way too far fetched and delusional i know.

As stated before, hereby i want to apologize to all radical Islamist's for unjustifiably blaming them for this attack.

 

[dxm8975]

I've seen about this news just now... so tragic and it's really a spine-chilling thing to realize that at the moment I don't get so overly surprised myself to overhear such a deplorable and nauseating news as it has been happening on almost a week basis recently(!).

BBC says one(or some?) of the at the least three perpetrators purportedly exclaiming "Allah Akbar !" in trying to randomly fire at those around the shopping mall where the gun shooting took place yesterday evening in Munich.

We are yet to be on to who the perpetrator is actually or if he was ISIL (or other Islamic extremist groups) affiliated, but if that was the case and if the claim is right then is it perhaps possible to count him as the one who has got some connection with one of those extremist groups(most likely ISIL, obviously) or a German home-grown terrorist heavily instilled by the Islamic doctrines ?

Well if that's so, **** the Islam. and I never get what the hell that God they consider to be "ideal" in their outright crooked sense of value is. The trite phrase that they use whenever they commit such a gruesome attack / gun-shooting / suicide bombing or whatever, "Allah Akbar" is already starting to drive me into an utter 🤬-up.

 

[Danoff]

As stated before, hereby i want to apologize to all radical Islamist's for unjustifiably blaming them for this attack.

Somehow I think they're ok with it. It is kinda the point of terror attacks to instill that kind of reaction. If they could take credit for it, I'm sure they would.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

We are yet to be on to who the perpetrator is actually or if he was ISIL (or other Islamic extremist groups) affiliated, but if that was the case and if the claim is right then is it perhaps possible to count him as the one who has got some connection with one of those extremist groups(most likely ISIL, obviously) or a German home-grown terrorist heavily instilled by the Islamic doctrines ?

Or a Brevik-style ultra-nationalist trying to stir up anti-Muslim sentiment.

The point is that we simply don't know - and as we saw during the Turkey coup, the early reports can be confusing and contradictory because nobody bothers to verify them.

 

[Bo]

Well if that's so, **** the Islam.

I've felt like posting this for a while, but if you believe this from the start then I presume it'll be falling upon deaf ears.

Islam is a religion.

Islamic State/ISIS/Jihadis are not representing a religion.

Terrorism is not a religion.

It's not hard.

Yeah silly me, how could i dare to jump to a conclusion this was an Islamic attack.

You didn't just jump to a conclusion, you posted it it as a statement of fact. There was no "I think" or "I presume". You really do just want to jump at every opportunity to lay blame.