Shooting At Munich Shopping Centre Germany

[Touring Mars]

I feel very sorry for the victims of this incident, but I'm getting seriously hacked off by the way the media are reporting this.... it's not the final round of the Masters here - we don't need rolling coverage and live analysis... not least because that is exactly what most of these nutjobs want to achieve out of it, regardless of their motives. BBC are 'reporting' (live, no less!) that, at this point in time, it is not yet clear if this is terrorist-related or not.... well thanks for that crucial update 👍 Seriously, this media coverage overload has to stop...

 

[justin credible]

I feel very sorry for the victims of this incident, but I'm getting seriously hacked off by the way the media are reporting this.... it's not the final round of the Masters here - we don't need rolling coverage and live analysis... not least because that is exactly what most of these nutjobs want to achieve out of it, regardless of their motives. BBC are 'reporting' (live, no less!) that, at this point in time, it is not yet clear if this is terrorist-related or not.... well thanks for that crucial update 👍 Seriously, this media coverage overload has to stop...

As much as I agree with you it is human nature to want to know the facts and as we all know bad news out sells/views good news hence the tv channels going overkill on these attacks.

Sad world we live in really full of loads of sad people.

 

[Bo]

BBC are 'reporting' (live, no less!) that, at this point in time, it is not yet clear if this is terrorist-related or not.... well thanks for that crucial update 👍

Slightly off topic, but the BBC has slipped a lot recently. It's the new ITV. Everything's reported in such a cheap, tabloid-y fashion, and most of the journalism is beyond cringe-worthy. Sky tend to provide the necessary updates without going overboard on the drama.

 

[mister dog]

You didn't just jump to a conclusion, you posted it it as a statement of fact. There was no "I think" or "I presume". You really do just want to jump at every opportunity to lay blame.

Let me guess....

Can't resist taking a jab at me when the opportunity arises no?
Actually a reaction like yours, and of the others who try to reprimand me for guessing this was another radical Islamic attack, shows, 'in my opinion' the lengths to which people can go and try to sugarcoat and minimalize the problem of Islamic terrorism we are currently facing in our societies.

10 ISIS inspired attacks happen with hundreds of deaths and you don't see or hear them, but as soon as it's evident that for once the blame of an attack doesn't fit the profile, they appear from the shadows and prove their moral high ground.

I find that pretty disgusting really, but as stated before that is just my honest opinion.

 

[1241Penguin]

'in my opinion' the lengths to which people can go and try to sugarcoat and minimalize the problem of Islamic terrorism we are currently facing in our societies.

You've got to spell out for me how waiting for solid evidence equals sugarcoating or "political correctness."

 

[TenEightyOne]

try to reprimand me for guessing this was another radical Islamic attack

In fairness your words "Let me guess" were in a separate post to your statement that it was an Islamic attack.

It may still turn out that it was an Islamic attack, of course. One might say that it's more sensible to wait. The alternative is to show exactly the kind of knee-jerk generalised reactions that people like ISIS are trying to trade on right now. Don't play their game.

 

[Dotini]

Apparently a lone gunman shot children in a McDonald's and ran away shooting others. Ten dead? And the gunman is dead.

 

[mister dog]

You've got to spell out for me how waiting for solid evidence equals sugarcoating or "political correctness."

When you say nothing during a string of attacks inspired by radical islam (maybe that's just a very long waiting period?), but you jump at the opportunity when a similar attack happens that isn't inspired by it.

Do you understand it now?

In fairness your words "Let me guess" were in a separate post to your statement that it was an Islamic attack.

It may still turn out that it was an Islamic attack, of course. One might say that it's more sensible to wait. The alternative is to show exactly the kind of knee-jerk generalised reactions that people like ISIS are trying to trade on right now. Don't play their game.

Yes but what is the alternative, sit it all out and do nothing?

 

[Liquid]

One might say that it's more sensible to wait.

Yeah. Let's do that. It's almost like jumping to conclusions before the facts are made clear is a bad thing.

Yes but what is the alternative, sit it all out and do nothing?

Yeah. Why not? This is an internet forum not a rolling ticker. Getting sidetracked over the same issues time and time again detracts from other posts.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Yes but what is the alternative, sit it all out and do nothing?

Even if we knew every single fact about every event in history you might say that all we can do here is nothing. Do you see yourself as a crusader?

 

[Dotini]

CNN reports, with video
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/22/europe/germany-munich-shooting/index.html

 

[Johnnypenso]

CNN reports, with video
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/22/europe/germany-munich-shooting/index.html

Uh oh:

A witness who will only be identified as Lauretta told CNN her son was in a bathroom with a shooter at the McDonald's. "That's where he loaded his weapon," she said. "I hear like an alarm and boom, boom, boom... And he's still killing the children. The children were sitting to eat. They can't run." Lauretta said she heard the gunman say, "Allahu Akbar," or God is great. "I know this because I'm Muslim. I hear this and I only cry."

You'll only find that in the text of the article. Accompanying CNN video has the Allahu Akbar part edited out, just like CNN edited out the joke Obama made when speaking about this latest terrorist attack.

 

[Crumpet]

It was an 18 year old German citizen of Iranian descent.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Yes but what is the alternative, sit it all out and do nothing?

To wait.

If and when it is revealed that the perpetrator is an extremist, then by all means, discuss at length. Nobody is criticising you for your views on radicalisation; most of us feel similar, if not exactly the same. We're criticising you because you jumped to the conclusion without a shred of evidence. This is the five-year anniversary of Anders Behring Breivik's massacre, and there were reports that the shooters here were shouting anti-immigration slogans. You never even considered the possibility that the attack could have been carried out by ultra-nationalists; you just went straight to radical Islam.

 

[mister dog]

Even if we knew every single fact about every event in history you might say that all we can do here is nothing. Do you see yourself as a crusader?

It just bothers me to see people slaughtered in our streets every couple of weeks in the name of a wicked ideology (ISIS), and we just continue as if there's nothing to worry about, and it will sort itself out.

Since the Paris attacks last year it has been one thing after the other, either with a lot of casualties like last week in Nice, or with a couple of unfortunate bystanders (also last week for example when people got knifed on the train).

You never even considered the possibility that the attack could have been carried out by ultra-nationalists; you just went straight to radical Islam.

Well after recent events, can you blame me for doing so? Again next time i will re write 'i guess' so i can avoid this.

 

[Dotini]

Uh oh:
You'll only find that in the text of the article. Accompanying CNN video has the Muslim part edited out, just like CNN edited out the joke Obama made when speaking about this latest terrorist attack.

CNN has a political agenda. So does Fox but its changing to liberal apparently. I know of no truly objective news reporting agency. They try to play the public like a fiddle.

 

[Liquid]

And facts thou shallt have:

- 9 people were killed before the shooter killed himself.

- 20 people are injured, three critically.

- This was the work of a lone gunman; an 18-year old Iranian-German living in Munich.

- His dead body was found half a mile northwest of the shopping centre.

- The earlier reports of 'three suspects' was based on witness reports of a car with two people speeding off at considerable speed; this is most likely just people trying to flee and they are not connected with the shooting.

- The earlier reports about another shooter Karlsplatz did indeed turn out to be false alarms.

- Right now, given that fewer than 9 hours have passed since the incident started, the police do not know what the motive or background was.

That's what we've been told, at least.

 

[H20HYBRID_GT]

What's crazy about all this is the reaction of the whole city, they stopped basically all public transport there were 2300 policemen in action - because 1 guy ran amok. Yes, it's understandable, but a couple of years ago this would not have happened like this, the whole city was in panic, restaurants and other establishments closed etc.
I know it's really tragic what happened, but it doesn't warrant all this, the false reports were all over the place which surely didn't help either.

I'm just perplexed, I live in a small town now, we don't really have this fear here, but I can totally see people in a big city like munich basically live in fear daily and when really something happens... well, they panic. Crazy.

Also weird that the news talked about several attackers when it really was only one - especially on the background of this transcript that emerged (I wonder how btw) it was pretty clear it's just one guy with a gun (which isn't really so rare as one might think in this city) going nuts.

Police said he was specifically aiming at the heads of his victims, I guess that's normal nowadays, too, though, that's what people learn nowadays , headshot, instant kill, right.

Anyways sad news and really strange, too, because it all happened where I used to live, I know the area very well and and also can imagine the the social background of this all.

 

[1241Penguin]

When you say nothing during a string of attacks inspired by radical islam (maybe that's just a very long waiting period?), but you jump at the opportunity when a similar attack happens that isn't inspired by it.

Do you understand it now?

No, because that hasn't been happening.

Literally all that I'm saying is that you should wait until you have evidence about the background on the attacker and their motives before we jump to conclusions. That's about as simple as I can explain it. There's no "white-knighting for Islam" involved here. If anything, I'm "white-knighting" for due process. I mean, do you honestly think that I'm not afraid of terrorist attacks perpetuated in the name of Islam (or otherwise)? Of course I am, and I want to see those involved to disappear off the face of the Earth someday, but jumping to conclusions certainly doesn't help anything.

You are honestly looking too much into it. And if you think that I'm not aware of radical Islam and what it has done before, then you're flat out wrong.

 

[CarBastard]

What's gonna happen next friday? Perhaps another coup d'etat? Or how about a Russian invasion of some little country we're still referring to by it's previous name?

The world is coming to 🤬 one friday at the time

 

[TenEightyOne]

What's crazy about all this is the reaction of the whole city, they stopped basically all public transport there were 2300 policemen in action - because 1 guy ran amok. Yes, it's understandable, but a couple of years ago this would not have happened like this, the whole city was in panic, restaurants and other establishments closed etc.

At the time the police thought that there may have been three gunmen - as it stands the two people seen "leaving the scene at speed" have been accounted for and dismissed from the enquiry. This now appears to have been a lone wolf but during the shutdown the police could only respond to the information that they had.

 

[mister dog]

What's gonna happen next friday? Perhaps another coup d'etat? Or how about a Russian invasion of some little country we're still referring to by it's previous name?

The world is coming to 🤬 one friday at the time

Earth people must be under the influence of Mars or something.

 

[Johnnypenso]

And facts thou shallt have:

- 9 people were killed before the shooter killed himself.

- 20 people are injured, three critically.

- This was the work of a lone gunman; an 18-year old Iranian living in Munich.

- His dead body was found half a mile northwest of the shopping centre.

- The earlier reports of 'three suspects' was based on witness reports of a car with two people speeding off at considerable speed; this is most likely just people trying to flee and they are not connected with the shooting.

- The earlier reports about another shooter Karlsplatz did indeed turn out to be false alarms.

- Right now, given that fewer than 9 hours have passed since the incident started, the police do not know what the motive or background was.

That's what we've been told, at least.

I've seen video online of people arguing and yelling at the shooter from a balcony. Twice I've seen it translated by the poster and in both of them he purportedly says, "I was born here, I am German"

 

[Liquid]

I've seen video online of people arguing and yelling at the shooter from a balcony. Twice I've seen it translated by the poster and in both of them he purportedly says, "I was born here, I am German"

Fair enough. Haven't watched videos. Police and German media are calling him "an 18 year old with German and Iranian citizenship" so... Iranian-German?

 

[A2K78]

Another failure of gun control.

 

[FoRiZon]

Another failure of gun control.

So does law as a whole because there still crime going on.

Yeah why not abolish the law. That'll do it. /s

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Keep telling yourself that free, open and completely unregulated gun ownership would somehow make the world a safer place.

Of course, the whole thing is built on a fallacy - the idea that if guns are freely available, only responsible people will own them.

 

[20832]

Fair enough. Haven't watched videos. Police and German media are calling him "an 18 year old with German and Iranian citizenship" so... Iranian-German?

Yes. He was born and raised here in Germany and lived in Munich for the better part of 2 years.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I feel very sorry for the victims of this incident, but I'm getting seriously hacked off by the way the media are reporting this.... it's not the final round of the Masters here - we don't need rolling coverage and live analysis... not least because that is exactly what most of these nutjobs want to achieve out of it, regardless of their motives. BBC are 'reporting' (live, no less!) that, at this point in time, it is not yet clear if this is terrorist-related or not.... well thanks for that crucial update 👍 Seriously, this media coverage overload has to stop...

It's what happens when you get an active situation that allows media to line up and do this sort of thing, when it's the aftermath it's bad but not nearly wall to wall. This is a media groups wet dream sadly, and yeah it does have to stop. I don't agree that we as humans are so enamored with seeing the same bits of news for 2-3 hours before another sliver comes in.

I myself usually tune in for 10 minutes and then after that wait until the end of the day or next day to see what else is known. Sometime I come back a few days later when all the facts or most are finally in.

 

[Zenith]

Keep telling yourself that free, open and completely unregulated gun ownership would somehow make the world a safer place.

Of course, the whole thing is built on a fallacy - the idea that if guns are freely available, only responsible people will own them.

Let's pretend for a moment that mass killings and attacks are never stopped by guns... (Even in shopping malls)

Obviously banning guns hasnt worked. Hundreds of dead Frenchmen in Paris and Nice can attest to that. What is the point of banning them?