Sick with no new DLC cars.....

[Azura]

What I'm sick of is people who truly don't appreciate this game for what it is and constant crying about how there's no new DLC. GT4 had no DLC, and everybody (well not everyone) loved it. This game isn't even 2 years old yet.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

What I'm sick of is people who truly don't appreciate this game for what it is and constant crying about how there's no new DLC. GT4 had no DLC, and everybody (well not everyone) loved it. This game isn't even 2 years old yet.

Yet you find it perfectly okay to voluntarily come into a thread filled with the things you're sick of to complain about them. Seems like a contradiction to me.

I want to see a qq subforum, then I will never have to see any of these threads.

Here's a suggestion: learn how to identify obvious complaint threads (the title for this one is a dead giveaway) then you won't have to see them and come in to complain about people complaining. 💡

 

[MXH]

Adding Spa didn't make the game better? Really? It did for me.

I don't understand why you wouldn't see Spa as an improvement for GT5 but for me, to improve the game, the ability to speed up fuel use and tyre wear would add some interest to all races.
There are loads of great cars and a few more tracks and options to force pitstops sooner would be great.

Don't get me wrong, it was a great addition. But GT5 is lacking so much more than great real-life tracks.

 

[another_jakhole]

Don't get me wrong, it was a great addition. But GT5 is lacking so much more than great real-life tracks.

An easier, better, and more expansive online experience. That's THE aspect of GT5 that needs the most help, imo.

 

[cuco33]

An easier, better, and more expansive online experience. That's THE aspect of GT5 that needs the most help, imo.

I would say consistency in car quality and features is what GT needs the most. Everything else can be improved a bit, including the online, and the next GT game would be great but another standard vs premium debacle or damage online in certain modes, or the like, and it'll be another black eye.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

What I'm sick of is people who truly don't appreciate this game for what it is and constant crying about how there's no new DLC. GT4 had no DLC, and everybody (well not everyone) loved it. This game isn't even 2 years old yet.

What does two years old have to do with this? What people don't appreciate it, please quote them instead of blowing hot air. GT4 was also a game that was made during the era before console DLC and online play, so using that as an example is a nice fallacy to your argument and is not remotely the same as GT5. This is 2012 not 2004, that obvious time difference shows why people want DLC.

People are going to complain, because PD has a number of things that could have gone better. Fans will and should be able to criticize because they want to see a better game for the future. This has been said several times over, but since you have a small post count it's obvious you may be more than unware of it.

 

[TomBrady]

It will be a letdown if only Twin Ring Motegi is made available. It would be awesome if it turns out that the final rounds of GT Academy consist of only new tracks and the one custom track. Then again, Motegi was one of the top real world/tracks that I wanted to come. ehhh

I'm a little jealous then to be honest I'm not the biggest fan of motegi. It's relatively flat, not a lot of corners for it's size, a lot of straighaways. I am excited about the oval though, I don't do a lot of NASCAR but GT5 seriously needs more ovals.

I really hope motegi isn't the only new addition, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was. I think though, if motegi is the only track, they may not actually charge us for it, that would be possible. But I'd much rather spend 20 bucks, and get 2/3 tracks, and 6 cars than one track for free. I'm not one of those people that expects them to give us things for free, and complains about paying for DLC. I think they deserve our money.

 

[JDMKING13]

I'm a little jealous then to be honest I'm not the biggest fan of motegi. It's relatively flat, not a lot of corners for it's size, a lot of straighaways. I am excited about the oval though, I don't do a lot of NASCAR but GT5 seriously needs more ovals.

I really hope motegi isn't the only new addition, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was. I think though, if motegi is the only track, they may not actually charge us for it, that would be possible. But I'd much rather spend 20 bucks, and get 2/3 tracks, and 6 cars than one track for free. I'm not one of those people that expects them to give us things for free, and complains about paying for DLC. I think they deserve our money.

Brady you are on a roll dude! 👍

 

[Samus]

What I'm sick of is people who truly don't appreciate this game for what it is and constant crying about how there's no new DLC. GT4 had no DLC, and everybody (well not everyone) loved it. This game isn't even 2 years old yet.

You're sick of people that don't share the same opinion as you, you mean?

 

[TomBrady]

What I'm sick of is people who truly don't appreciate this game for what it is and constant crying about how there's no new DLC. GT4 had no DLC, and everybody (well not everyone) loved it. This game isn't even 2 years old yet.

You couldn't be more wrong. It's the people who do appreciate this game, that really want DLC. If you love this game, how is new content a bad thing really?

GT4 has nothing to do with it because we ARE in an age where DLC is not only possible but expected. If other franchises can do it, so can GT. There's really no other franchise (racing) with as much success or devoted fans as GT, DLC has always proven to make the hardcore fans happy, and GT5 has TONS of hardcore fans.

I would actually ask whether you appreciate this game, if you really don't want additions as much as we do?

The point is, we love this game, and we want to buy anything they can give us. They should've never said "every 2 months"

The first DLC was so successful, I don't understand why they wouldn't keep em coming, we have every right to complain.

 

[Santos i7]

Honestly, it just seems like you guys are looking for things to criticize PD about. As someone pointed out already, none of the other games had DLC, or an online mode like this one has, so I'm not sure I see why this is all of a sudden an issue for everyone. I've had this game since a month after release when it came with my PS3, and I've never had a problem with any of these. It has much bigger problems then not having enough DLC or not having a good enough online mode. Considering it's the first time they've had these both in the game, I think they did alright. But they don't. They still update the game on a regular basis to make it better, and you STILL find things to complain about. I just don't get it.

 

[another_jakhole]

Honestly, it just seems like you guys are looking for things to criticize PD about. As someone pointed out already, none of the other games had DLC, or an online mode like this one has, so I'm not sure I see why this is all of a sudden an issue for everyone. I've had this game since a month after release when it came with my PS3, and I've never had a problem with any of these. It has much bigger problems then not having enough DLC or not having a good enough online mode. Considering it's the first time they've had these both in the game, I think they did alright. But they don't. They still update the game on a regular basis to make it better, and you STILL find things to complain about. I just don't get it.

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The same goes for the "too many duplicates" problem. GT4 was just as bad.

 

[Samus]

So because it was a problem in older games as well we can't air our problems with it? With that logic we could have standard cars in the next 10 games but still can't complain because all the previous games were the same.

About the DLC specifically we didn't criticize PD about that with GT4 and earlier games because DLC didn't exist, nor did online gaming! That argument makes no sense. Now those two things are huge in gaming (whether you like it or not) people are well within their right to question PDs activity regarding them.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Honestly, it just seems like you guys are looking for things to criticize PD about. As someone pointed out already, none of the other games had DLC, or an online mode like this one has, so I'm not sure I see why this is all of a sudden an issue for everyone. I've had this game since a month after release when it came with my PS3, and I've never had a problem with any of these. It has much bigger problems then not having enough DLC or not having a good enough online mode. Considering it's the first time they've had these both in the game, I think they did alright. But they don't. They still update the game on a regular basis to make it better, and you STILL find things to complain about. I just don't get it.

We are now in a new age of technology that previous GTs weren't in. Games are different than from back then and have different standards now. Since online gaming is common now and developers have the ability to update games once they're released, DLC and an online mode are seen in a lot of games nowadays. And when you have other racing games like Forza coming out with DLC every month, people are going to want to see what PD has in store as well.

 

[JDMKING13]

We are now in a new age of technology that previous GTs weren't in. Games are different than from back then and have different standards now. Since online gaming is common now and developers have the ability to update games once they're released, DLC and an online mode are seen in a lot of games nowadays. And when you have other racing games like Forza coming out with DLC every month, people are going to want to see what PD has in store as well.

Thats the problem though FM is FM and GT is GT. In my opinion some people judge GT very harshly but at the same time with FM its ok when something is wrong, it's nothing like when something is wrong with GT5. Take night racing for example FM had night racing on the original Xbox since then they have upgraded to Xbox 360 with 3 FM produced. How come Night racing is not in FM4? They had it in FM1? I asked and even though I understood the answer everybody was so cool about it. With GT5 when something is wrong or they not implementd people go crazy. Calling PD lazy stuck in the 90's etc. It's not fair In my opinion to keep on saying who has what and who doesn't, just starts up fights.

 

[Santos i7]

so because it was a problem in older games as well we can't air our problems with it? With that logic we could have standard cars in the next 10 games but still can't complain because all the previous games were the same.

About the dlc specifically we didn't criticize pd about that with gt4 and earlier games because dlc didn't exist, nor did online gaming! That argument makes no sense. Now those two things are huge in gaming (whether you like it or not) people are well within their right to question pds activity regarding them.

we are now in a new age of technology that previous gts weren't in. Games are different than from back then and have different standards now. Since online gaming is common now and developers have the ability to update games once they're released, dlc and an online mode are seen in a lot of games nowadays. And when you have other racing games like forza coming out with dlc every month, people are going to want to see what pd has in store as well.

I understand this is a new age of technology and whatnot, but you have to understand that this is PD's first go at multiplayer and DLC and all the things that are expected now, so of course they aren't going to be as good as companies like T10, who have much more experience with it. I think you're expecting too much because other companies have had time and experience to set the bar as high they have. Give PD some breathing room. PS2 to PS3 was a big jump, so GT5 isn't going to be perfect. I'm sure there will be a vast improvement come GT6.

 

[Samus]

Thats the problem though FM is FM and GT is GT. In my opinion some people judge GT very harshly but at the same time with FM its ok when something is wrong, it's nothing like when something is wrong with GT5. Take night racing for example FM had night racing on the original Xbox since then they have upgraded to Xbox 360 with 3 FM produced. How come Night racing is not in FM4? They had it in FM1? I asked and even though I understood the answer everybody was so cool about it. With GT5 when something is wrong or they not implementd people go crazy. Calling PD lazy stuck in the 90's etc. It's not fair In my opinion to keep on saying who has what and who doesn't, just starts up fights.

Trust me, there was plenty of disappointment and anger at the official forums when all three 360 games were released without night and weather. There still is every now and again. It seems pretty obvious to me that most of the criticism for either game will be on their official forums. I know GTP isn't the official forum for GT but it might as well be.

Oh and the reason people are maybe more casual is for the fact that T10 at least told people why. There didn't have to be theories and ideas by the fans, T10 came out and said why it wasn't something they were doing, as with a lot of things. Meanwhile in PD world they don't tell the fans why certain things are like they are so fans start guessing and making up their own excuses, which people get annoyed at.

I understand this is a new age of technology and whatnot, but you have to understand that this is PD's first go at multiplayer and DLC and all the things that are expected now, so of course they aren't going to be as good as companies like T10, who have much more experience with it. I think you're expecting too much because other companies have had time and experience to set the bar as high they have. Give PD some breathing room. PS2 to PS3 was a big jump, so GT5 isn't going to be perfect. I'm sure there will be a vast improvement come GT6.

Online in general I will give you is a big step, although they did nearly have it in GT4. DLC on the other hand is easy, in terms of actually putting it out. Creating the content is no different to a time when DLC didn't exist, they just kept it for the next game. Putting it out is easy and once you've done it once, there is no reason it can't be done over and over. The only factor slowing them down is creating the content but again that's nothing new for DLC.

 

[JDMKING13]

I understand this is a new age of technology and whatnot, but you have to understand that this is PD's first go at multiplayer and DLC and all the things that are expected now, so of course they aren't going to be as good as companies like T10, who have much more experience with it. I think you're expecting too much because other companies have had time and experience to set the bar as high they have. Give PD some breathing room. PS2 to PS3 was a big jump, so GT5 isn't going to be perfect. I'm sure there will be a vast improvement come GT6.

Exactly dude! 👍 As I said before FM is FM and GT is GT.

Trust me, there was plenty of disappointment and anger at the official forums when all three 360 games were released without night and weather. There still is every now and again. It seems pretty obvious to me that most of the criticism for either game will be on their official forums. I know GTP isn't the official forum for GT but it might as well be.

Oh and the reason people are maybe more casual is for the fact that T10 at least told people why. There didn't have to be theories and ideas by the fans, T10 came out and said why it wasn't something they were doing, as with a lot of things. Meanwhile in PD world they don't tell the fans why certain things are like they are so fans start guessing and making up their own excuses, which people get annoyed at.

That is their own fault though In my opinion, and I am sure KAZ had said many times we ran our of time/ we could not implement the feature in GT5. Still people go crazy so In my opinion it's is deeper than that.

 

[Santos i7]

Online in general I will give you is a big step, although they did nearly have it in GT4. DLC on the other hand is easy, in terms of actually putting it out. Creating the content is no different to a time when DLC didn't exist, they just kept it for the next game. Putting it out is easy and once you've done it once, there is no reason it can't be done over and over. The only factor slowing them down is creating the content but again that's nothing new for DLC.

To be fair, PD does have alot on it's plate. They have GT6 in the works, they have seasonals to plan out every week, they have constant fixes to the GT5 they're working on, GT Academy, and now they have to worry about DLC that everybody is demanding. That's quite a bit for any company, and PD isn't exactly the largest one out there.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

I understand this is a new age of technology and whatnot, but you have to understand that this is PD's first go at multiplayer and DLC and all the things that are expected now, so of course they aren't going to be as good as companies like T10, who have much more experience with it. I think you're expecting too much because other companies have had time and experience to set the bar as high they have. Give PD some breathing room. PS2 to PS3 was a big jump, so GT5 isn't going to be perfect. I'm sure there will be a vast improvement come GT6.

I just want to say that I don't think saying it's PD's first time at DLC is a good excuse.

Here's T10's first attempt at DLC for Forza 2:

I understand this is a new age of technology and whatnot, but you have to understand that this is PD's first go at multiplayer and DLC and all the things that are expected now, so of course they aren't going to be as good as companies like T10, who have much more experience with it. I think you're expecting too much because other companies have had time and experience to set the bar as high they have. Give PD some breathing room. PS2 to PS3 was a big jump, so GT5 isn't going to be perfect. I'm sure there will be a vast improvement come GT6.

Sorry but I don't think saying it's PD's "first time" at DLC is a good excuse.

Here's what T10 managed to on their first attempt at doing DLC for Forza 2:

The Nissan Tournament Pack - Released August 1st 2007 - Price: FREE
2007 Nissan 350Z Grand Touring Coupe [pic]
2007 Nissan Altima 3.5 SE [pic]
2007 Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V [pic]

#8 Peugeot 908 - Released August 1st 2007 - Price: 50 MS Points / FREE with Codecard from the French FM2 LCE
2007 Peugeot #8 Team Peugeot Total 908 HDi FAP [pic]

The September Car Pack - Released September 21st 2007 - Price: 400 MS Points
2006 Audi #8 Audi Sport Team Joest R10 TDI [pic]
1970 Dodge Challenger R/T Hemi [pic]
2006 Dodge Challenger Concept [pic]
2006 Honda Civic Si Coupe [pic]
2007 Honda Civic Type-R [pic]
1967 Lamborghini Miura P400 [pic]
2006 Lamborghini Miura Concept [pic]
2007 Porsche 911 GT3 RS (997) [pic]
2007 Saturn Sky Red Line [pic]
2007 SEAT Leon Cupra (part of the pack but also FREE as a standalone) [pic]
2007 SEAT Leon Supercup [pic]

The December Car Pack - Released December 7th 2007 - Price: 400 MS Points
2008 Audi R8 Road Car [pic]
1983 Audi Sport quattro [pic]
1991 BMW Motorsport M3 E30 [pic]
2007 Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano [pic]
2006 Ferrari FXX [pic]
2008 Koenigsegg CCGT [pic]
2007 Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera [pic]
1973 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am SD-455 [pic]
1998 Porsche 911 GT1 Evo (996) 'Street Version' [pic]
1980 Renault 5 Turbo [pic]
2007 Renault Clio RenaultSport 197 (part of the pack but also FREE as a standalone) [pic]

The March Car Pack - Released March 19th 2008 - Price: 400 MS Points
2008 Audi S5 [pic]
2007 Audi TT Coupé 3.2 quattro S-Line [pic]
1971 BMW Motorsport 3.0 CSL E09 [pic]
2008 BMW Motorsport M3 E92 Coupé [pic]
2007 Ferrari 430 Scuderia [pic]
1989 Ferrari F40 Competizione [pic]
1996 Ferrari F50 GT [pic]
2007 Lamborghini Murciélago LP640 [pic]
2007 Maserati GranTurismo [pic]
2006 Maserati MC12 Corsa [pic]
2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X GSR [pic]
2007 Peugeot #1 Peugeot 207 Super 2000 (Xbox liveried 2007 IRC Championship Winner) (part of the pack but also FREE as a standalone) [pic]
2008 Porsche 911 GT2 (997) [pic]



TRACKS:

Motegi Track Pack - Released October 26th 2007 - Price: 400 MS Points
Twin Ring Motegi [pic1] [pic2]

Tracks:
Twin Ring Motegi Road Course
Twin Ring Motegi East Course
Twin Ring Motegi West Course
Twin Ring Motegi Super Speedway

Road America Track - Released December 7th 2007 - Price: 100 MS Points
Road America [pic]

Tracks:
Road America[\QUOTE]

 

[Santos i7]

But like I said before, they have been pretty pre-ocuppied and with not as much staff. I know I'm probably giving them more credit then they deserve. If they would simply hire more people to get the help they need this probably wouldn't be as big an issue, but I doubt that's going to happen. At least they gave us SOME DLC. Might not not be much, but it's better than nothing.

 

[Samus]

[/B] Exactly dude! 👍 As I said before FM is FM and GT is GT.

That is their own fault though In my opinion, and I am sure KAZ had said many times we ran our of time/ we could not implement the feature in GT5. Still people go crazy so In my opinion it's is deeper than that.

What do you mean it's their own fault? If PD talked to the fans we wouldn't need to second guess them. Yes for a lot of things time is the usual problem but it's not the case for everything.

Anyway like I said I don't think there are any differences, there is plenty of moaning on a daily basis at the official Forza forums and they have arguably less to moan about.

To be fair, PD does have alot on it's plate. They have GT6 in the works, they have seasonals to plan out every week, they have constant fixes to the GT5 they're working on, GT Academy, and now they have to worry about DLC that everybody is demanding. That's quite a bit for any company, and PD isn't exactly the largest one out there.

That's what they do though! That's their job, so it's hardly a fair excuse that they're busy, which design studio isn't? Personally I don't care one bit about DLC cars in GT5, I wouldn't buy them but what would be nice is to know what their status is with cars. Do they have 100 cars modeled that they could put out as DLC given the time or is what they've put out so far all they've got? I know Kaz did say at the time they had a 'pool' of material and that some of it would be saved for GT6 which is fine, but expanding a bit more on a 'pool' would be nice.

As for planning out seasonals each week, don't make me laugh. One person could plan out a years worth of the current seasonal format in an hour.

 

[another_jakhole]

But like I said before, they have been pretty pre-ocuppied and with not as much staff. I know I'm probably giving them more credit then they deserve. If they would simply hire more people to get the help they need this probably wouldn't be as big an issue, but I doubt that's going to happen. At least they gave us SOME DLC. Might not not be much, but it's better than nothing.

That's one thing that seems can be easily helped. Simply having more people modelling the cars and tracks would save time.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

That is their own fault though In my opinion, and I am sure KAZ had said many times we ran our of time/ we could not implement the feature in GT5. Still people go crazy so In my opinion it's is deeper than that.

Uh he said a number of things back and forth one thing that I remember is...well let me provide you with the evidence.

https://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-5-march-2010-in-japan/

That shows that Kaz has said many things, so why pick and choose what he's said and use certain parts that only help your argument?

 

[Samus]

Uh he said a number of things back and forth one thing that I remember is...well let me provide you with the evidence.

https://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-5-march-2010-in-japan/

That shows that Kaz has said many things, so why pick and choose what he's said and use certain parts that only help your argument?

There is also an interesting quote in one of those links which goes against what a lot of people say when defending the 5 year development for GT5 and that games like GT PSP slowed them down:

Yamauchi also addressed questions about GT PSP’s extended development time, and how the game has affected Gran Turismo 5:

“I don’t think there was a direct effect [on Gran Turismo 5], but I do believe that the development team really gained experience in streamlining displaying graphics on a very small space and also how to manage memory when the amount of memory available is very small. That sort of experience is something that was gained by the team. And you know, this is the first time we’ve developed a portable game, and I think there is an effect on how we see games, and how we understand videogames.”

So according to Kaz GT PSP didn't have a direct effect on GT5 development. Humble pie anyone?

 

[trk29]

There is also an interesting quote in one of those links which goes against what a lot of people say when defending the 5 year development for GT5 and that games like GT PSP slowed them down:



So according to Kaz GT PSP didn't have a direct effect on GT5 development. Humble pie anyone?

PD was working on GTPSP. So resources that would have worked on GT5 weren't so it took up time from GT5. Kaz also said GT5 was close to being done when it wasn't. Sorry I don't really believe anything the man as to say anymore.

 

[DEATHSARTHE]

PD was working on GTPSP. So resources that would have worked on GT5 weren't so it took up time from GT5. Kaz also said GT5 was close to being done when it wasn't. Sorry I don't really believe anything the man as to say anymore.

Kaz plays with the fans a lot actually.

Ohhhh yes, I thoroughly remember the hype train chugging away for 5 freakin years as we all sucked it up and played GT4 on our new PS3s counting down the days (well at least I did because my PS3 plays PS2 games )... and all the while, Kaz would say something here and there along the the lines of "GT5 is ready."

And then remember that little stunt they pulled RIGHT before it was supposed to release originally which delayed the game for another friggin month... I took the day off, PD! Blah... I don't expect them to read this, they seem far too out of touch these days.

But I mean how much effort does it rreally take to make a new wheel set or how about some new areos? Or wings? I would LOVE more wings! I mean GT5 could offer so much more. My playstation hasn't been powered on since about early March because I just started not caring anymore. Along with that were movies and TV shows I used to watch on Netflix and movies/DLC/games I used to DL off PSN.

Of course I wanted more cars and tracks, and GT5 seemed like a great platform for major DLC like that... but as time went on I pretty much saw what was happening. So my expectations grew less... I'll settle for smaller things now. Just give me something more to look at than the same wheel selection with the same wing selection with the same paint selection with the same aero selection with the same tuning selections.

 

[Samus]

PD was working on GTPSP. So resources that would have worked on GT5 weren't so it took up time from GT5. Kaz also said GT5 was close to being done when it wasn't. Sorry I don't really believe anything the man as to say anymore.

So people can go around posting quotes from Kaz when it supports their argument and they're correct statements but when it doesn't then what Kaz said was wrong and they know better? Unbelieveable.

 

[trk29]

So people can go around posting quotes from Kaz when it supports their argument and they're correct statements but when it doesn't then what Kaz said was wrong and they know better? Unbelieveable.

I mostly agree with what you have been saying.

But for him to say that it took no time "directly" away from GT5 is something I expect him to say. It is Kaz's typical BS, what the hell does directly mean anyway in that context? What would it mean if Kaz said it took time away from GT5 indirectly? His smoke screen and mirrors of the way he indirectly informs fans. The best thing for me and people alike is to not even listen. Everything he says has no truth to it. DLC every month or so? GT Drivers Club? Leader boards And so on and so on. I know I know beating a dead horse.

The only reason we are not getting the DLC that we were told we would get is because if they release it than there won't be anything left to surprise us for GT6. This is so evident. Look how long it takes them to model a car.

What Kaz should say "Dear GT fans please be patient with us sorry for giving so much false information we need to find a better way to communicate with our user base.

 

[XzMiKEzXzCANZEz]

hopefully get some DLC soon