Since Porsche is excluded from Gran Turismo 5, which tuner should be added?

[Dave A]

It makes me wonder if Kazunori has tried to get some type of Porsche "tuner" manufacturer (Gemballa/TechArt) in the case of Porsche being excluded. I mean, who wouldn't take this?

He already has, Ruf. I don't think he'd opt fior several Porsche-a-like manufacturers in the game. Ruf are arguably the purest in thier connecion to Porsche and how thier cars avoid the extremes the other companies tend to aim for. That's probably why Kazunori picked them.

 

[SrRd RacinG]

He already has, Ruf. I don't think he'd opt fior several Porsche-a-like manufacturers in the game. Ruf are arguably the purest in thier connecion to Porsche and how thier cars avoid the extremes the other companies tend to aim for. That's probably why Kazunori picked them.

Yes, we have RUF, but another manufacturer wouldn't hurt. Gemballa would fit pretty well. They have quite a few models that could represent the manufacturer well.

Anyways, if the possibility of having RUF and Porsche still exists, then having RUF and another manufacturer isn't out of the question either, especially as it seems Porsche has said "no".

 

[Dave A]

You've got to think that PD doesn't have time or resources to include everyone so when it comes to creating whole new car models and new licences the chances are they will go for something different other than another manufacturer that does what Ruf (who they already have) does. It would be nice to get everyone but it's not going to happen.

 

[Forgetful]

You've got to think that PD doesn't have time or resources to include everyone so when it comes to creating whole new car models and new licences the chances are they will go for something different other than another manufacturer that does what Ruf (who they already have) does. It would be nice to get everyone but it's not going to happen.

That's probably what people said about Lamborghini and Ferrari. We're down to only one of the worlds major automakers not being included, but we're contemplating any number of 'tuners' potentially replacing them. Sure, every last one of them might not make it, but there was a proliferation of Japanese tuners added throughout the franchise, so it might be the right time to start including other, globally respected tuners, for cars of all makes... considering we have all of the other car makes now!

 

[Maggot666PL]

^
Couldn't agree more. We're not talking about Mahindra here, it's Porsche after all. Look how many Nissan/Honda/Toyota types and tastes are here, it wouldn't hurt to stick a few tuners of those curvaceous cars into the mix.

 

[sumbrownkid]

^Novitec Rosso for Ferrari anyone? They'll be a nice addition to tuner's village if that's how GT5 separates its cars.

 

[aaron?]

well it seems like porsche is huffing and taking a rip on nissan because of the Ring controversy???

 

[sumbrownkid]

^No it's not that, it's probably a money issue that PD don't want to pay.

 

[Northstar]

well it seems like porsche is huffing and taking a rip on nissan because of the Ring controversy???

It has nothing to do with that, both cars are in Need for Speed games so that argument is invalid.

 

[Forgetful]

It has nothing to do with that, both cars are in Need for Speed games so that argument is invalid.

You can't say it's invalid. EA has long had Porsche licensed, so they wouldn't be able to back out once the 'Ring fiasco happened, or once EA signed Nissan for the GT-R, depending on which happened first.

And no one has confirmed that there's a stock GT-R and stock 911 in Shift, which is the bone of contention.Aren't the all race cars in that game?

This is the third time I've made this point. It's valid, and it validates the theory that the 'Ring fiasco is a factor. Maybe not the only reason, but potentially a factor.

Sure it could be a money factor, but I'm pretty sure PD can afford it. Prologue sold 4 million copies! If anything, it's a money thing based on principal. That principal being that they won't pay one major company far more than they did the others.

None of us know for sure, so none of us can confirm or deny anything.

 

[SrRd RacinG]

http://www.askmen.com/entertainment/gaming/ps2/Gran-Turismo-5-Ps3/news-8-1.html

Speaking of cars, Kazunori wasn't willing to let the total number of cars slip just yet, but there were a few other points of interest to hold us over. First, Porsche will very likelynotappear in Gran Turismo 5. Kazunori was disappointed by this fact, but according to our interview, Porsche already signed an exclusive deal for a different game and it's highly unlikely the brand will appear in Polyphony Digital's upcoming hit.

This is getting funnier and more tricky now. Why? Well, for one, the car count DID slip. Obviously Kazunori didn't want us to know this and that's why the list was taken down. One game? Shouldn't it be two (NFS: Shift + FM3?)Hm....It makes sense why he would lie about Porsche then, especially when he just protected the car count. Read my post in the other Porsche topic.

 

[McLaren]

You can't say it's invalid. EA has long had Porsche licensed, so they wouldn't be able to back out once the 'Ring fiasco happened, or once EA signed Nissan for the GT-R, depending on which happened first.

If Porsche was really that much of a baby, they would have revoked their agreement from EA once they learned of the GT-R. But they haven't because the GT-R has been in NFS since ProStreet.

And no one has confirmed that there's a stock GT-R and stock 911 in Shift, which is the bone of contention.Aren't the all race cars in that game?

Every car in Shift starts out stock. It's up to the player to build a race car out of it, if they choose to do so.

This is the third time I've made this point. It's valid, and it validates the theory that the 'Ring fiasco is a factor. Maybe not the only reason, but potentially a factor.

It's not valid because it makes no sense. Porsche would not have agreed to continue appearing next to the GT-R if they were really upset over the time.

 

[Forgetful]

Binding contracts are binding.

Being cranky about something isn't grounds to break a contract, but it could be grounds not to sign one. If the ink on their contracts was dry before Nissan hit the track with the GT-R, then there would be nothing Porsche could do about it (unless the language in their contract granted them some sort of creative veto right, or option to back out). And besides, it's not like EA is in bed with Nissan, the same way PD is. It could be about more than just the 'Ring time.

Since the 'Ring fiasco, have you seen Porsche and the GT-R added to the same game, that you know for sure they signed up for after the fact? I would wager a guess that both Nissan and Porsche were already on board for Shift, or that Porsche was already bound by their contract, and helpless to influence the developers with which they already had contracts... which would make them more apprehensive to signing any further agreements.

Maybe EA didn't buy Nissan's 'Ring claims, and the GT-R in their game is more representative of what Porsche and the rest of the automotive world have achieved with the stock GT-R, and what their physics engine says a car with that weight, power and grip, should accomplish. Whereas we know from Kaz's interview with the GT-R's test driver, that PD used their Nurburgring demo model to run a near-perfect lap, since he had mentioned a wet part of the track that may have cost him time, which means the GT-R in GT is capable of the time that Nissan claims the real stock car is capable of.

Maybe Porsche doesn't see EA, and the NFS brand as serious a sim as GT.

It's all valid. Why? Because we are all speculating. None of us work for Porsche or PD, and neither company is saying much. To be a fly on the wall...

Like I said, it could be a factor. I'm not here to convince anyone that it's gospel, just opening up some possibilities.

I can't believe it would be just about the money when it comes to the premiere racing game, and one of the Playstations all time best selling franchises. How much money can they want? And why haven't they asked me if I'll chip in? Though some vocal few will protest DLC, most of us will pay if we have to, to get a brand as significant as Porsche. Many other games have proven that DLC and micro transactions are immensely popular, and Porsche and PD would be stupid not to get in on a gold mine like that... unless of course there were some petty differences they couldn't overcome... Maybe they're just buttering us up for exactly that...

 

[SrRd RacinG]

So much speculation. I await TGS.

 

[SrRd RacinG]

bump for the recent discussion or Porsche and its tuners.

 

[pay2021]

IMO there gona be RUF in GT5, like previous tittles, but personally i like more Gemballa, BUT, as far as i know Gemballa is in bankupt.

Sorry my english.

 

[analog]

As mentioned before Ruf is a manufacturer on its own using Porsche as a basis just like Alpina is for BMW, these companies are rare exceptions from regular tuners because they are legally acknowledged by German law as seperate manufacturers, the ins and outs to why exactly i cannot give you although both practically ( re ) build their cars from scratch.

For this reason we cannot hope to see any tuned Porsches appear, because they're still basically or legally Porsches.
What i haven't heard so far is the possibility for including replica's if Porsche insists on excluding their cars from the GT-franchise.

These are also manufacturers on their own, i know of a British replica of the 550 spyder using Beetle parts and a 956/962 Le Mans racer replica using real Porsche parts from Koenig i believe.
It might be sacrilige to many to use replica's and i myself also always prefer the original, but i'd rather see the classic shape of the 550 appear than some hideously modified 911.

 

[EvolutionWRX]

I really do hope that that PD entice other Porsche tuners to temporarily replace that said brand. I sick and tired of EA's endless 🤬 blocking and 🤬.

 

[Antti-san]

As mentioned before Ruf is a manufacturer on its own using Porsche as a basis just like Alpina is for BMW, these companies are rare exceptions from regular tuners because they are legally acknowledged by German law as seperate manufacturers, the ins and outs to why exactly i cannot give you although both practically ( re ) build their cars from scratch.

For this reason we cannot hope to see any tuned Porsches appear, because they're still basically or legally Porsches.

Hit the nail on the head there! And in any case I'd still pick RUF any day over all the other tuners - the Yellow Bird alone is already a damn good reason.

 

[Emu76]

I'm quite happy to see RUF in the game, I'm not a massive Porsche fan anyway, they come way behind Maserati, Lamborghini and Ferrari for me. Only problem is I can't tell which Porsche cars the RUF models are based on, not that it really matters I suppose. I think there are supercar fans, and there are Porsche fans. The 911 is a supercar sure, but I think it takes a different kind of person to be interest in Porsches.

EDIT: I wonder if we will see this:

Kaz has spoken a lot about electric cars, and the ERUF Model A is fairly recent, as well as an exciting sports car. I would like to see this in GT5, and I think there's a fairly good chance we will.

 

[DC9990]

To be honest I cant say I'm too bothered about Porsche.
If it werent for me wanting to 100% previous games I would never have touched the RUFs.
As for the poll, I'd say RUF should stay in just so porsche lovers have their porsche cars (kinda)
Ferrari & Lambo are now in (not that I like either of those) so if PD could get porsche in it would only help strengthen the GT brand I guess.
All the top super/hypercar brands in the game would be cool.
There are still other cars I'd rather see in GT before porsche but thats just me.

 

[analog]

I'm quite happy to see RUF in the game, I'm not a massive Porsche fan anyway, they come way behind Maserati, Lamborghini and Ferrari for me. Only problem is I can't tell which Porsche cars the RUF models are based on, not that it really matters I suppose. I think there are supercar fans, and there are Porsche fans. The 911 is a supercar sure, but I think it takes a different kind of person to be interest in Porsches.

Although I share your preference for Maserati, Lamborghini and Ferrari I do also love Porsche precisely for being everything those Italian cars aren't and vice versa.
It doesn't take a different person to appreciate either of these brands, it just requires a different mindset to appreciate the specific charm of each car.

 

[Nero9]

RUF. Nuff said.

 

[Stevisiov]

Gambella is pretty tacky IMO. Ideally Porsche would be in, but RUF cars have their place in the game either way.

 

[RickNU]

If we dont have Porsche we need more Ruf's

RUF 3400S ‘00
RUF BTR ‘86
RUF CTR “Yellow Bird” ‘87
RUF CTR2 ‘96
RUF RGT ‘00

RUF CTR3 '08
RUF Turbo R
RUF R Kompressor
RUF RTurbo
RUF RT12 '04
RUF 3600S '99
RUF RK Coupe Spyder

 

[drivatar]

we need more Premium RUFs

Much better

 

[amit916]

I read through the entire thread...but can someone explain how EA has an exclusive contract, yet T10 can have Porsche's and PD can't?

 

[eSZee]

I read through the entire thread...but can someone explain how EA has an exclusive contract, yet T10 can have Porsche's and PD can't?

Microsoft asked EA for the license, upon agreement a huge amount of money flooded the EA offices. Money that SONY doesn't want to pay. Now, however, that Microsoft is close with Activision which forced EA to get comfier with SONY, the amount might come down.

 

[drivatar]

We don't know. EA has the right to give out sublicenses.
PD didn't want to pay (enough) money?
T10 payed even more to not see Porsche in GT?

It's pure guesswork.

 

[toni_cro]

If we dont have Porsche we need more Ruf's

RUF 3400S ‘00
RUF BTR ‘86
RUF CTR “Yellow Bird” ‘87
RUF CTR2 ‘96
RUF RGT ‘00

RUF CTR3 '08
RUF Turbo R
RUF R Kompressor
RUF RTurbo
RUF RT12 '04
RUF 3600S '99
RUF RK Coupe Spyder

i want this one more than any other rufs