So whats your take on the possibility of a livery editor in GT5?

[IsmokeGT]

The pink Veyron is awesome! Its not like is is bright

 

[Earth]

Paint shop. It's realistic.

You do recall the pink Veyron yes?
http://www.autocult.com.au/img/gallery/TorqueOmata4669.jpg

But don't worry, add me and you won't have to see such things, I only plan to make race schemes for teams/personal use.

MY EYES! MY EYES! What an abomination! You should have put a warning on that picture! Bugatti should buy the car back ASAP and have it crushed! The owner should not only lose his license he should also be tarred and feathered for that. Money doesn't buy you brains or taste! What waste. What a freaking waste.

With private rooms, you won't have to worry about that problem, especially when racing against guys you know like me and GTP_CWR.

True, but I still don't like the idea. It's like the rewind button. You don't have to use it, but the idea that it may be there frightens me for many reasons including the above picture.

Gran Turismo is fine the way it is. Let's not forget what Gran Turismo is about. It's the real driving simulator. Modifications are made to the cars for performance, NOT bling.

I guess I'm just old school. A Ford GT90 should only be white. A Ferrari F40 should only be red. I've raced Need for Speed II with a blue Ford GT90. It looked stupid. I've raced Need for speed II with a baby blue Ferrari F50. It looked stupid.

 

[andrethaiss]

MY EYES! MY EYES! What an abomination! You should have put a warning on that picture! Bugatti should buy the car back ASAP and have it crushed! The owner should not only lose his license he should also be tarred and feathered for that. Money doesn't buy you brains or taste! What waste. What a freaking waste.



True, but I still don't like the idea. It's like the rewind button. You don't have to use it, but the idea that it may be there frightens me for many reasons including the above picture.

Gran Turismo is fine the way it is. Let's not forget what Gran Turismo is about. It's the real driving simulator. Modifications are made to the cars for performance, NOT bling.

I guess I'm just old school. A Ford GT90 should only be white. A Ferrari F40 should only be red. I've raced Need for Speed II with a blue Ford GT90. It looked stupid. I've raced Need for speed II with a baby blue Ferrari F50. It looked stupid.

Well, it would be nice if races were divided into categories, such as tuned/untuned cars and factory colors/livery edited car races. That way everyone can be happy.

 

[regnar]

A Livery Editor is a will more than likely added to the final game in some form. Its seems to be the current trend.
My own preference would be for race based livery's. Much better would be templates similar to NFS:Shift,
but editable allowing you to change for example car numbers.
Like wheel choices in previous GT's, if you don't like to mess with them, you don't have to.

 

[Devedander]

If you want to express yourself go paint a picture. Compose some music.

So creativity must be limited to what you say? Or maybe just to traditional form? Gotcha... no new creativity unless Earth gives it the ok.

Gran Turismo is a racing simulation meant to give you an accurate idea of how it feels like to race cars. If you want to show off your bling go play some game like Need for Speed, Forza 3, or Midnight Club DUB Edition.

You do realize some people race cars (especially production cars) with some crazy paint jobs right? So actually leaving out the editor would be hampering the simulation.

Custom Liveries in Gran Turismo are like a rewind button. It can be used for small good but for the most part it will be abused as the rewind button will be abused.

You know that how? How do you know it's not the exact opposite? How do you know it's not the case it will be abused in some small ways but the great creations will far outweigh it?

In fact, just like the rewind argument, it flies in the face of existing examples to say this as games with rewind generally aren't ruined by it and Forza's livery editor has been a smash hit.

Allowing someone to paint a Ferrari Hot pink is like allowing some slackers to "express" themselves by spray painting the Eiffel Tower.

Hey if you could give someone the chance to do that without damaging the original, why not?

It's called upholding the integrity of the simulation. Once you allow a livery editor that gives you the ability to do whatever you want to a Ferrari and other road cars you've not only cheapened the simulation you've just made all the real world paint schemes available for each car obsolete and worthless.

Really? Did this happen in Forza? Does this happen in real life where you have paintshops that can do almost any paintjob you want?

Cars coming in a limited amount of colors is, again, realistic and a proper simulation.

Sold new from the factory? I suppose, but after that? Again, you are aware paint shops exist in the real world right?

If you add a livery editor that can be used on road cars you might as well not give factory colors as an option when buying a car.

Really? Better tell Toyota and Honda to just sell all their cars in primer grey since a body shop can paint it almost any color.

You really think factory colors will just go completely away? Most of my garage in Forza is factory... only a select few have some nice custom jobs... from what I recall online races were mostly against people with stock looking cars.

You might as well have a color wheel that allows you to choose any color under the sun which of course threatens the integrity of the game and simulation aspect.

Again, it's actually more accurate, as a paintshop can literally paint your car any color on the wheel.

For example, a Ferrrari F40 should NEVER be any color other then red.

Because why, because you say so? Sorry... a car should be whatever color the owner wants it to be.

When racing online I don't want to race a lime green Ferrari F40.

OK well don't, if it bothers you so much change rooms. The people who DO want to race a lime green Ferrari or who want to race with one have just as much right to what they want as you do.

The moment that happens I won't be able to take GT5 seriously anymore just as I dont take Forza seriously

OK. Some people could never take a game labled as a sim but with invincible bumper cars seriously... your point?

If, for some odd reason Kaz gives in to the casuals and includes a livery editor I hope there is some option to make all the cars online look like their original selves. I dont want to see poke-cars or halo posters on cadilacs. They can keep that to themselves.

That is about the only reasonable thing you said. An option to not see other peoples custom paint jobs is a very reasonable thing to ask for.

The whole rewind thing and now this are bringing out some really interesting characters... it's almost like listening to churches rally agianst gay people or racists against interacial marriages... they pick the most outlandish thing you can think of that might happen somewhere once or twic and then say it will happen everywhere all the time.

 

[TeamStig]

I guess I'm just old school. A Ford GT90 should only be white. A Ferrari F40 should only be red. I've raced Need for Speed II with a blue Ford GT90. It looked stupid. I've raced Need for speed II with a baby blue Ferrari F50. It looked stupid.

Right there with you. Except I'm a bit more lenient. Red or yellow for a Ferrari. TOCA Race Driver 2 is a perfect example of how you should never screw up a Ford GT90.

By the way, I love NFS II

 

[Tenacious D]

For online team and league building, a livery editor is just about essential. Actual race cars have custom liveries and decals. It identifies them for the sponsors and their fans.

I know this may come as a surprise to some of you, but they actually have to create these from scratch with a livery designer. God doesn't just zap it onto their car.

And by the way, if you don't want to see any custom liveries, you can undoubtedly filter them out in the online options. Heck, maybe you can strip painting from all cars, even race cars, to bare metal or synthetic shell, so all cars will look exactly the same.

 

[McLaren]

I guess I'm just old school. A Ford GT90 should only be white. A Ferrari F40 should only be red. I've raced Need for Speed II with a blue Ford GT90. It looked stupid. I've raced Need for speed II with a baby blue Ferrari F50. It looked stupid.

You're not old school, you're just ignorant, and acting like GT should conform to your views & that no one should have any creativity unless you like it.

And FYI, there are F40s in other colors but red & there was a "baby blue" F50 in real life at one point.

 

[zlo2]

I think instead of giving people absolute freedom with customization like Forza 3 is doing, they should have sets of pre-designed livery kits, 2-3 per car and maybe 2-3 color options for every set. Which would result in enough variations to distinguish yourself from other cars on the road without making a circus out of every race.

 

[Devedander]

I think instead of giving people absolute freedom with customization like Forza 3 is doing, they should have sets of pre-designed livery kits, 2-3 per car and maybe 2-3 color options for every set. Which would result in enough variations to distinguish yourself from other cars on the road without making a circus out of every race.

Considering the thousands of players out there online, probably not.

And besides the point it would stifle a lot of the creativity out there... look at the Forza custom car pictures out there, a lot of them are just stunning and would be a shame to not have let those people create what amounts to a work of art.

 

[Earth]

Right there with you. Except I'm a bit more lenient. Red or yellow for a Ferrari. TOCA Race Driver 2 is a perfect example of how you should never screw up a Ford GT90.

By the way, I love NFS II

I said only red because the F40 only came in red.

I know the F430 comes in yellow, white, black, red, blue, alot of colors.

The Ferrari 599 came in around a dozen colors. The Ferrari factory did say they could paint it any color you wanted but that's not the case with the majority of the manufacturers.

BTW I love NFS too! Still have it on my PC. My favorite NFS of all time.

A Livery Editor is a will more than likely added to the final game in some form. Its seems to be the current trend.
My own preference would be for race based livery's. Much better would be templates similar to NFS:Shift,
but editable allowing you to change for example car numbers.
Like wheel choices in previous GT's, if you don't like to mess with them, you don't have to.

The current trend...the current trend also includes the rewind button which doesn't belong in games especially anything that calls itself a simulation.

You do realize some people race cars (especially production cars) with some crazy paint jobs right? So actually leaving out the editor would be hampering the simulation.

Sold new from the factory? I suppose, but after that? Again, you are aware paint shops exist in the real world right?

This is not a life simulation, this is a racing simulation so no, infinite colors that do not promote or enhance driving simulation do not belong in a racing simulation.

You know that how? How do you know it's not the exact opposite? How do you know it's not the case it will be abused in some small ways but the great creations will far outweigh it?

That's like saying atomic bombs make the world better. Sure, they've probably saved alot of lives by making countries less willing to go to war with others, but at the same time they've threatened humanity in a similiar way that a livery editor threatens the realism and integrity of the racing simulation.

Really? Did this happen in Forza? Does this happen in real life where you have paintshops that can do almost any paintjob you want?

You really think factory colors will just go completely away? Most of my garage in Forza is factory... only a select few have some nice custom jobs... from what I recall online races were mostly against people with stock looking cars.

Why is the marketplace so popular with millions of cars being traded? Again, if you want to turn a car into a canvas there are plenty of games out there to do it with. Forza is one of them. Gran Turismo is not.

Because why, because you say so? Sorry... a car should be whatever color the owner wants it to be.

In Need for speed, Forza, Motorstorm, midnight club DUB edition and Juice, yeah sure why not. But Gran Turismo? no.

OK well don't, if it bothers you so much change rooms. The people who DO want to race a lime green Ferrari or who want to race with one have just as much right to what they want as you do.

I shouldn't have to change rooms. When I go online to race in a serious racing simulation I shouldn't have to bother with trash like that.

OK. Some people could never take a game labled as a sim but with invincible bumper cars seriously... your point?

Damage does not make a sim. You think those $50,000 hydraulic simulators factory racing teams use have ultra real damage and real crash physics. I'm not sure myself but if it didn't it wouldn't question the quality of the simulation.

That is about the only reasonable thing you said. An option to not see other peoples custom paint jobs is a very reasonable thing to ask for.

Please tell me Forza 2 had this feature. My goodness, online must have been a nightmare if not.

The whole rewind thing and now this are bringing out some really interesting characters... it's almost like listening to churches rally agianst gay people or racists against interacial marriages... they pick the most outlandish thing you can think of that might happen somewhere once or twic and then say it will happen everywhere all the time.

Say what you want, but I'm not promoting pink Ferraris and built in cheats like rewind.

You're not old school, you're just ignorant, and acting like GT should conform to your views & that no one should have any creativity unless you like it.

And FYI, there are F40s in other colors but red & there was a "baby blue" F50 in real life at one point.

So GT should conform to your views?

I never said I was 100% against it, I just dont like what it means and the possibilities. I've said I'd be OK with it in as long as it was regulated and controlled according to specific measures.

Face it, you want it in the game because you thought it was some great feature in Forza 3

Heads up, everything that's in Forza 3, including that foolish rewind button doesnt need to be in Gran Turismo 5 by default

 

[zlo2]

Considering the thousands of players out there online, probably not.

And besides the point it would stifle a lot of the creativity out there... look at the Forza custom car pictures out there, a lot of them are just stunning and would be a shame to not have let those people create what amounts to a work of art.

I meant within a single race, not overall of course.
And you also have to understand that for every work of art, you get about a hundred pieces of crap, as the case always is with user generated content (look at Little Big Planet).

 

[ploopsy]

Now that online play is involved I would want to make my car stand out from any other player with the same car.

 

[Terronium-12]

if you want to express yourself go paint a picture. Compose some music. Gran turismo is a racing simulation meant to give you an accurate idea of how it feels like to race cars. If you want to show off your bling go play some game like need for speed, forza 3, or midnight club dub edition.

Not only do you negate your own logic but you veer off into several different paths at the same time. By your logic you should never listen to a remix, or even share the slightest interest in a retro concept

Custom liveries in gran turismo are like a rewind button. It can be used for small good but for the most part it will be abused as the rewind button will be abused.
Allowing someone to paint a ferrari hot pink is like allowing some slackers to "express" themselves by spray painting the eiffel tower.

So what if someone is going to use the rewind feature over and over again that's why it's there - not everyone has the attention span to study every line and bump on a track, some people actually want to have fun; you have heard of fun before, right?

It's called upholding the integrity of the simulation. Once you allow a livery editor that gives you the ability to do whatever you want to a ferrari and other road cars you've not only cheapened the simulation you've just made all the real world paint schemes available for each car obsolete and worthless.

I just don't even know how to respond to that, that's not even an opinion, it's just blatant ignorance.

Gtr2 is 100% racecars. As is gt legends and rfactor. Notice in my original post i had no problem with a livery editor for pure racecar only simulations.

Uhm....no. GTR2 is not 100% racecars, there are mods are for the Ferrari Enzo and F40, the E92 M3 and the Porsche 911 GT2...just to name a few.

Cars coming in a limited amount of colors is, again, realistic and a proper simulation. If you add a livery editor that can be used on road cars you might as well not give factory colors as an option when buying a car. You might as well have a color wheel that allows you to choose any color under the sun which of course threatens the integrity of the game and simulation aspect. For example, a ferrrari f40 should never be any color other then red. When racing online i don't want to race a lime green ferrari f40. The moment that happens i won't be able to take gt5 seriously anymore just as i dont take forza seriously

if, for some odd reason kaz gives in to the casuals and includes a livery editor i hope there is some option to make all the cars online look like their original selves. I dont want to see poke-cars or halo posters on cadilacs. They can keep that to themselves.

I'm still wondering how a color or a customized livery "threatens" the integrity of the game, and if you don't want to race against any car which by your elusive standards is deemed as threatening then don't, but again don't profess whatever it is that's going on in your head as the absolute truth or the end all statement.

That's like saying atomic bombs make the world better. Sure, they've probably saved alot of lives by making countries less willing to go to war with others, but at the same time they've threatened humanity in a similiar way that a livery editor threatens the realism and integrity of the racing simulation.

Did you really just compare a livery editor to an...atom bomb - did that really just happen?

 

[Joey D]

Wow, this thread has just beaten out the "rewind threads" as being the most daft discussion on these boards. Seriously if you don't want to paint up you cars with a custom livery then don't.

However, a livery editor would add a ton of replay value to the game and allow you to make your vehicles all the more personal. I still enjoy making cars in Forza 2 and that game has been out for ages. No doubt I'll enjoy doing the same thing in Forza 3.

 

[Devedander]

This is not a life simulation, this is a racing simulation so no, infinite colors that do not promote or enhance driving simulation do not belong in a racing simulation.

Selling cars is not part of racing, buying cars is not part of racing. If you could never buy or sell a car, the racing would be just as accurate. Would you like that part removed?

That's like saying atomic bombs make the world better. Sure, they've probably saved alot of lives by making countries less willing to go to war with others, but at the same time they've threatened humanity in a similiar way that a livery editor threatens the realism and integrity of the racing simulation.

Really? Atomic bombs threaten to destroy all of humanity, an atomic bomb makes it impossible to live. Cars with paint jobs you don't like will make it impossible to race? Will the physics engine suddnely choke? Will throttle response somehow cease to function? Will cars get glued to the track?

In what way exactly will a livery editor damage or ruin the simulation portion of the game? I was unaware that the accuracy of the simulation algorythms could be compromised by car color or paint job.

Why is the marketplace so popular with millions of cars being traded? Again, if you want to turn a car into a canvas there are plenty of games out there to do it with. Forza is one of them. Gran Turismo is not.

Maybe becuase there is a lot of positive to be offered with it? A livery editor doesn't ruin stock paint jobs, peoples desires to own something else... well that's up to them. It sounds to me like you wouldn't want custom paint jobs, so you wouldn't buy them even if you had access to them. So if having access wouldn't ruin it for you, it's not the livery that's the problem, it's the people. And if people aren't how you like them... well it's not really fair for you to enforce what you want on them at the cost of what they want is it?

As for what is and isn't a canvas... GT hasn't previously been a canvas, but just because it wasn't before doesn't seem like a legit reason it should never be. GT was never a WRC or NASCAR racing game... perhaps we should insist those be taken back out?

In Need for speed, Forza, Motorstorm, midnight club DUB edition and Juice, yeah sure why not. But Gran Turismo? no.

Well if why not in those, why not in GT? Just becuase it hasn't been before? Because you don't like it? Why?

I shouldn't have to change rooms. When I go online to race in a serious racing simulation I shouldn't have to bother with trash like that.

Because you are the only one who shouldn't be put out? So others shouldn't be able to have what they want because you shouldn't have to risk encountering something you don't want?

Damage does not make a sim. You think those $50,000 hydraulic simulators factory racing teams use have ultra real damage and real crash physics. I'm not sure myself but if it didn't it wouldn't question the quality of the simulation.

Damage doesn't make a sim, but lack of a core mechanic of racing like damage does sort of preclude being taken seriously as a sim.

Please tell me Forza 2 had this feature. My goodness, online must have been a nightmare if not.

There was a way, although I don't recall exactly where as I never had a need to use it.

BTW for someone who categorizes Forza so strongly as a certain game, you don't seem to have had a lot of experience with it.

I mean obviously custom paint jobs would have pissed you off so much you would have immediately looked to turn them off right? So you didn't even play long enough to do that... had to believe you played long enough to really fairly categorize the whole game...

Say what you want, but I'm not promoting pink Ferraris and built in cheats like rewind.

Well I am not promoting rampant, unsafe, brutal man on man sex, but I am also not going to rally against gay people because of it.

And I have yet to have someone explain to me how rewind is a cheat other than saying it ruins the game (which isn't an explanation).

 

[Devedander]

I meant within a single race, not overall of course.
And you also have to understand that for every work of art, you get about a hundred pieces of crap, as the case always is with user generated content (look at Little Big Planet).

Well I actually look at Forza, and there was a lot of crap out there, but just like with anything else, the crap settles and the cream comes to the top (that sounds so gross).

The point is in anything there is a lot of crap between the good stuff... music, art, literature... the solution isn't to block it all, but rather to reward the quality and ignore the crap. It will probably never go entirely away, but the ratio is kept much more acceptable.

Again, for an example just look at what's happening out there... I mean we don't even have to speculate... there is a racing game with a livery editor already in it and it's doing great, so great it's getting added to and included in each iteration of the series... if it was so horrible, surely it would have gotten a bad name and not be included anymore?

This is like the argument that legalizing and regulating pot will lead to crime and violence... well we can speculate all we like, or we can look at countries in which it is already legalized and regulated and see... hey that doens't actually happen.

 

[cudadude2]

http://www.autoblog.com/gallery/g37-anniversary-art-project-vehicle/

heres your realism.

and i'm very PRO livery editor

b

 

[Joey D]

http://www.autoblog.com/gallery/g37-anniversary-art-project-vehicle/

heres your realism.

and i'm very PRO livery editor

b

And for further realism enhancement, show up at an autocross or drag strip any given weekend. You'll see all sorts of cars, that are driven to work during the week, with very basic liveries on them...even if it's just some numbers and their class.

 

[RACECAR]

I am so lost in this discussion, between all the atom bombs and the Man on Man sex.

just like with anything else, the crap settles and the cream comes to the top

 

[McLaren]

So GT should conform to your views?

Did I say that? No, I didn't. You however, act like it should conform to yours.

I never said I was 100% against it, I just dont like what it means and the possibilities. I've said I'd be OK with it in as long as it was regulated and controlled according to specific measures.

No, you don't like it because you think it means every single person will be painting something you don't like.

Face it, you want it in the game because you thought it was some great feature in Forza 3

That's funny because not once have I stated being for or against the feature. What I have done though, is read your ignorant posts acting like you know what's best for GT.

Heads up, everything that's in Forza 3, including that foolish rewind button doesnt need to be in Gran Turismo 5 by default

Fortunately, that's your opinion & isn't a view shared by everyone.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I voted don't really care. I'd use it if it was in the game, but I'm not going to lose any sleep if it's not.

 

[El Drifto]

I NEED a livery editor.
It pisses me off that I can't at least change the colour of my damn car.
Full race mod with custom livery FTW!

 

[Organ-Donor]

Now that online play is involved I would want to make my car stand out from any other player with the same car.

Yes, it adds variety and makes your car more personal like its your baby, and really adds to the online aspect. Showing off your unique custom designs would be nice... Seeing 5 of the same exact plain red ferarri's online shows no character. It would add alot to the online experience in my opinion.

 

[SIGUEL]

A basic livery editor couldn't hurt but I'm not gonna trash the game if it doesn't have it, but I want a Paint booth with all the colors from the cars available in GT.

Change your car color - YES
Racing Stripes, Carbon Fiber look, paint wheels... - It could be nice
Painting Pokemon and grotesque stupid stuff - HELL NO

 

[Lucas]

Yes, it adds variety and makes your car more personal like its your baby, and really adds to the online aspect. Showing off your unique custom designs would be nice... Seeing 5 of the same exact plain red ferarri's online shows no character. It would add alot to the online experience in my opinion.

I agree with this. I'm up for livery editor in GT5! 👍

 

[Slurm]

A basic livery editor couldn't hurt but I'm not gonna trash the game if it doesn't have it, but I want a Paint booth with all the colors from the cars available in GT.

Change your car color - YES
Racing Stripes, Carbon Fiber look, paint wheels... - It could be nice
Painting Pokemon and grotesque stupid stuff - HELL NO

This 👍

I think a basic livery editor would add a very nice touch to the game. A white stripe, a few decals etc...

I'd really love painting my cars in a tasteful, classy way, but I share the concerns of those who'd be heartbroken to see the game flooded with trashy, pimp rubbish. I feel torn about the idea.

 

[El Drifto]

A simple livery editor that makes it VERY HARD for people to do Pokeballs and Halo liveries would be great.
Numbers, lines, and basic shapes would be awesome for recreating real racing liveries.
I need a yellow JDM S2000 with black wheels and a CF bonnet and trunk.

 

[Joey D]

I'm still trying to figure out, what is wrong with people wanting to be artistic with their cars?

 

[seraphaze]

Joey D I'm still trying to figure out, what is wrong with people wanting to be artistic with their cars?

There's nothing wrong with it at all.. But personally i think there are other things that need to be improved first, like physics and damage. If they can perfect those two aspects of the game first, then id be more than happy to see them develop a vehicle cosmetic appearance editor. For instance, id rather see them add tire pressure to the physics model first before developing a cosmetics editor.