Spa Endurance VS race June 3rd. Scuderia VS Gallardo
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XPOWER180
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What times have you guys been getting? When I did a time trial earlier on before the practice session today, I was getting 2:36.xxx on Sports Hard tyres.
(Maybe I'm the next Ayrton Senna?)
I don't think you have anything to worry about, you was very fast and it's us who need to be concerned about your pace!
My averages in the Lamborghini after oil change and with SM's were 2:35~36 so I think you're right on the ball, especially with a few more laps under your belt.
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I think I can take about 4-5 seconds off. Just getting used to the car is a good idea. Get the right line and perfect lap and you can do some great times.
I did a whole 1.5 seconds better qualifying lap a few championships ago on the Nurburgring GP/F track in my Lotus Evora.
Plus getting 150 odd miles on the car and an oil change will theoretically gain me 3-4 seconds.
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Crikey, well I think we're all going to have a tough time if that's what lap times you will be producing; fastest I managed was a low 2:33 on saturdays qualifying session which gave me pole on the last race and I never hit that pace again despite staying in first from pole to finish against what I class as some very, very good drivers!
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Ha, yeah I know that feeling! I tried later to get a 2:33 again and I just couldn't achieve it! I think this will shape up to be a good, competetive event if Saturdays trials were anything to go by. Like you mention though, tyre wear is going to be a critical factor and as someone pointed out on Saturday - I was drifting a bit too much and it wasn't intentional. I've nearly ironed it all out now so although my times havn't changed, it should give my tyres a bit more life!
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You CAN'T drift with a 4WD car! It's a simple matter of your car having a ton of grip, and trying to produce way too much power for the wheels to handle. Thus you're just burning tire away for no good reason. I do the same thing, mainly because I can't keep track of my speed using the speedometer.
I don't think I'll be able to produce consistant lap times in the Gallardo, without a HUD. While the speedometer isn't horrible, it doesn't really allow for quick reading.
I don't think I'll be able to produce consistant lap times in the Gallardo, without a HUD. While the speedometer isn't horrible, it doesn't really allow for quick reading.
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Well whatever you want to call it (I don't care to be honest!!) the car was sliding too much for my liking! And although I use the HUD, I never use it - I just go by instinct and track markings, something as small as a tyre mark will be my pin point!
Somebody didn't get the memo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUcKXykXVaM
Somebody didn't get the memo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUcKXykXVaM
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Jawehawk
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That's powersliding. Not drifting. Drifting is maintaining control while letting the rear end slip out. Powersliding is just using your traction to do 100% controlled sliding.
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I love debating. 
It's obvious that we aren't going to agree on this, but I'm going to try anyway.
If you look at the video, it's obvious that he isn't drifting. He's just using the traction provided by the 4WD to power himself out of any turn. Had he been in a RWD car, this technique would not have worked.
With a RWD car, you have to be careful with your throttle and steering input when drifting. With a 4WD car, the driver can just turn into the corner by applying a little braking or E-brake, and the go full throttle. This will of course give smoke, as the car struggles to maintain traction.
In RWD cars you have to fight to maintain control. In 4WD cars you still have control. You're just producing too much throttle for the wheels to handle. Hence you're powersliding. I ain't good at explaining such things, but I'm sure I made some point along the way.
It's obvious that we aren't going to agree on this, but I'm going to try anyway.
If you look at the video, it's obvious that he isn't drifting. He's just using the traction provided by the 4WD to power himself out of any turn. Had he been in a RWD car, this technique would not have worked.
With a RWD car, you have to be careful with your throttle and steering input when drifting. With a 4WD car, the driver can just turn into the corner by applying a little braking or E-brake, and the go full throttle. This will of course give smoke, as the car struggles to maintain traction.
In RWD cars you have to fight to maintain control. In 4WD cars you still have control. You're just producing too much throttle for the wheels to handle. Hence you're powersliding. I ain't good at explaining such things, but I'm sure I made some point along the way.
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XPOWER180
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Without a doubt you have made a lot of very valid points, all of which I appreciate as you are clearly a knowledgable man. However, as much as I do agree with what you say about powersliding, which Ken is clearly doing, their are some (if few) genuine drifts within that video. Bare in mind we don't know his torque bias and general set up of the car, the compliancy of the suspension for one thing will be a massive decider on just how much slide can be achieved before it's classed as a drift. Whilst technicaly your explanations are correct, on this occasion I truly believe there's a bit more depth to it than just he is or isn't and another viewing of that video may highlight a couple of genuine drifts to you, 2:31 has a good example
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Aye, that's true.
btw, I hope I've not said anything to indicate that I don't think these drivers are extremely skilled. I've seen quite a few of Ken Block's videos, and the precision utilised in both his and the guy in the video you posted, is nothing short of amazing. Nice debating with you mate.
As you might have noticed, i'm quite stubborn.
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Aye, that's true.
btw, I hope I've not said anything to indicate that I don't think these drivers are extremely skilled. I've seen quite a few of Ken Block's videos, and the precision utilised in both his and the guy in the video you posted, is nothing short of amazing. Nice debating with you mate.
As you might have noticed, i'm quite stubborn.
The guy in the video I posted is Ken Block!
And no, you havn't said anything against the drivers, you've just highlighted the differences between the breaking points of traction of a 4WD and a RWD. Always admired Kens style but thought it was a shame he never translated that skill so succesfuly in the world of rallying. And yeah, good debating too and likewise -I'm a stubborn old git!!
I might have a few practice laps later, if you want to join feel free
I love the mclaren F1 and racing on Sports Hards 
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Sorry I would have liked to take part, but Im busy from Fri to Sun this weekend
Let me know when you have another event lined up
Let me know when you have another event lined up
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Well since I can get 2:36 on Sports Hard tyres, then I guess I could keep up with you guys. And since I have longer endurance on Sports Hard tyres, then that means I can stay out longer. The only problem is getting off the line quickly and wheelspin on corner exits.
Well you won't be going anywhere since I ran over your pad 👍 .It is pretty much go or stop with a Pad
