Super GT/JGTC Shootout - 07/06 - Shootout Officially Finished!

[CSLACR]

Just because of the lack of downforce. If it was maxed out, I think the car would've been great.

But low down-force doesn't equal under-steer.

To each their own, I just thought this car drove so well, and typically speaking, I'm the first and last tester complaining of under-steer in these shootouts. So far both cars have exceeded my expectations.

Thanks for the test and as usual fantastic time.👍👍
Might have just been me and the rush I was in to get the car tuned and posted in time (note don't wait until the day of a tuning deadline to actually look at a car and drive it for the first time...not smart at all.) but when I was tuning it more downforce made for more understeer and less feel for th car and track. More time spent with it probably would have corrected both issues I had with a higher Aero but I'm happy with the drive of the current tune as I feel it makes it a drivers car and not just another slotcar. For me at least I feel a greater sense of accomplishment when I nail a good lap in a tune like this than in some safer tunes I've done in the past.

Make the car drive exactly the same, but with full down-force. It'll just be awesome.

GT300's are slot-cars, even with your lively setup and low down-force/grip, it's still a very easy car to push, partly for the tune, and partly because we're talking only 300HP on a race car.

 

[ugabugaz]

Sitting on a low 36 lap with GeeBaby's Takata (saved), a red time that's even quicker (not saved) and the possibility of a 35...Oh yes. I love this car. I'll continue testing tomorrow.

 

[XDesperado67]

@CSLACR yes higher downforce can equal more understeer in a tune. that's the problem with a lot of the streetcars when you put a wing at max downforce on them. they may gain a lot more stability but they also tend to get harder to turn in and hold a line through corners if you don't spend time adjusting the suspension to compensate for it. Same thing happens in race cars and the higher downforce can make a mess you just may not notice it as much because the typical racing grade tires can mask the effect to a certain extent with their greater grip. This is a simple concept that many people seem to have trouble grasping, there is no single magic bullet for making a good tune! Every tuneable part on a car has to be adjusted to work at maximum efficiency with the rest of the components to realize the maximum potential of the car or achieve the desired result. While certain things are more noticeable in their effects, all of it can and does affect the car and its behavior. Couple that with the variables of track and drivers style plus controller types and the possibilities for a quote perfect tune are nearly limitless. Anyways I might see if I can squeeze a bit moret of the "Little Red Wagon" after the Shootout with higher aero and not lose the feel I like but no guarantees on that.

 

[Motor City Hami]

I had more fun driving the GT300 cars than I did the GT500 group. These cars/tunes seemed to have more personality. I mean, the Takata Dome ’03 is fast, but the car doesn’t make for best friend material. I tested the GT300 group using the DS3 with stick extenders. When I test I don’t look at the tune until after I have driven the car. I don’t want any pre-conceived bias if someone approaches tuning differently than me. There were many good tunes in this group and the last three of the final five were tough to pick. Tune reviews listed by lap time, fastest to slowest.

CSLACR – Toyota Wedssport Celica ’03 – lap time 1:45.574
Note for all testers – you need to run CSLACR’s and Krenkme’s tunes back to back. I drove CSLACR’s car for five laps but only needed two. Killer fast tune and no flaws to report. Kremkme’s was a tiny bit better through mid-corner but CSLACR’s just jumps up off the corer. I would love to race these two cars in a one hour endure against a driver of similar skill.

Krenkme – Amemiya RX7 ’06 – lap time 1:45.820
I abused this car. It felt like driving my real world Miata on its best day. Don’t get on the brakes until you nearly pee your pants… mash the gas just after passing the apex… go balls out flat through the long left sweeper. I didn’t want to stop driving it. I have had this car in my garage for a while, but have never driven it. I am not even going to bother building my own tune for this car. I am just slapping Krenkme’s numbers on it and hitting the track. Pure awesomeness!!!

Geebaby – Toyota Wedssport Celica ’03 – lap time 1:46.061
I like the photo that you chose for your tune – a Wedssport Celica in front of a Subaru Cusco. Well, your tune beat all of them. Good tune, but you are up against CSLACR in the same ride. Your tune just doesn’t hang with his mid-corner. Everywhere else, his tune is spot on.

Ugabugaz – Subaru Cusco – lap time 1:46.326
Another good GT300 tune. Good entry and exit, but I found a good bit of mid-corner push that had to be compensated for using the DS3. Do you tune with a wheel? I tune with DS3 for these competitions because most of the testers still use DS3. When I tune with my G27 wheel, I find that I have to settle the tunes down a bit vs. the DS3. Maybe that’s why we differ so much on mid-corner likes/dislikes? Only other issue I had with this tune was the gearbox. It’s a good gearbox, but it is not a “Fuji” box. In turns 12-16 I found the need for lots of shifting up or down, mid-corner. This is not the optimal place to be shifting.

Jackthelad – Amemiya RX7 ’06 – lap time 1:46.344
Another really good GT300 tune. This group is going to be difficult to pick favorites. This tune is a little tamer than Krenkme’s and just a hair slower. Jackthelad has built a nicely balanced fun tune. Only one wish – taller 3rd and 4th gears. I needed a little more drive to carry speed down into many corners but the rev limiter was kicking in for a triple bounce.

VTiRoj – Subaru Cusco – lap time 1:46.878
This car is a mid-corner monster. On lap one I learned to carry lots of speed down into the corner because the car had such good mid-corner grip. I never knew that a 4wd car could turn so well. Great tune. Only one issue – 5th and 6th gears have more to give. Second half of your review written under Trackripper123.

X-Desperado67 – Autobacks Arta ’03 – lap time 1:47.347
A good little red wagon. Well behaved… excellent corner balance… very good under braking… perfect gearbox for the turn 12-16 section. Only one bad habit – corner exit outside wheel spin. LSD accel at 20 is too high for this tune. I want a bit more coming off the corner on power.

Trackripper123 - Subaru Cusco – lap time 1:47.350
The best “Fuji” gearbox of the whole competition; GT300 and GT500. I hit redline just at each and every breaking zone. We can all take a lesson about track specific gearboxes from this tune. Trackripper’s tune is half a second slower than Roj’s tune for this car. This tune was really well balanced. Roj’s car had this odd Spiderman grip mid-corner that must have been the half second. Great tune! The only real issue with this tune is that the engine is not fully broken in and it gained 1 hp by the end five laps. My fastest lap was on lap three so it wasn’t an issue for me. I was called out for this in previous competitions so I had to mention it. 200 miles for break in.

Onboy – Autobacs Arta ’03 – lap time 1:47.976
A pretty good tune and identical feedback that I gave for your GT500 car. Getting back on throttle in 2nd gear is a problem. There are quite a few of these corners at Fuji so your tune is losing lots of time there. I cannot be aggressive off the corners so it kills my confidence. LSD accel at 30 is too much, in my opinion. In your response to my GT500 feedback you indicated that you didn’t want to lower the LSD accel in fear of hurting mid-corner. I have not found LSD accel to affect mid-corner; only on throttle, mostly corner exit. LSD decel has more effect on mid-corner. Also, 6th gear has more to give.

MrGrado – Lexus Wedssport IS350 ’08 – lap time 1:48.620
This car is better looking that the Celica version. I found the tune a little tight in and a little loose out. I just couldn’t get this car to turn down to the apex. Mid-corner was then pretty good, but on exit it was easy to get outside wheel spin. My opinion is that the LSD settings for both accel and decel need to be lower.

Favorites – This competition is not about lap times, but these are race cars and they should feel and be fast. My top five is mostly about feel and a bit about speed.
1. Kremkme – I love this tune!
2. CSLACR - speed
3. Jackthelad - feel
4. VtiRoj – 4wd Spiderman grip
5. Trackripper 123 – props for the “Fuji” gearbox

 

[Niop]

But low down-force doesn't equal under-steer.

To each their own, I just thought this car drove so well, and typically speaking, I'm the first and last tester complaining of under-steer in these shootouts. So far both cars have exceeded my expectations.

I should have chose my words better, what I meant was a lack of aerodynamic grip. When I'm expecting a certain speed through some corners and the car pushes wide compared to the other cars, I just naturally jumped to the term under-steer, when technically it's not under-steer(is that right?)

 

[Motor City Hami]

Updated my GT500 reviews with the top five list.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=7107757#post7107757

 

[GeeBaby]

Sitting on a low 36 lap with GeeBaby's Takata (saved), a red time that's even quicker (not saved) and the possibility of a 35...Oh yes. I love this car. I'll continue testing tomorrow.

Hey Ugabugaz, I put my loctite Mugen NSX on Share. I did the setup a bit different from the Takata where one is engine and the other is turbo, so if possible give it shot and let me know which is better in your opinion. It's has a bit more torque but I did beat my Takata with it.

Thanks in advance

 

[trackripper123]

Trackripper123 - Subaru Cusco – lap time 1:47.350
The best “Fuji” gearbox of the whole competition; GT300 and GT500. I hit redline just at each and every breaking zone. We can all take a lesson about track specific gearboxes from this tune. Trackripper’s tune is half a second slower than Roj’s tune for this car. This tune was really well balanced. Roj’s car had this odd Spiderman grip mid-corner that must have been the half second. Great tune! The only real issue with this tune is that the engine is not fully broken in and it gained 1 hp by the end five laps. My fastest lap was on lap three so it wasn’t an issue for me. I was called out for this in previous competitions so I had to mention it. 200 miles for break in.

I have to say its bizzare since the Impreza in question is a Standard car, not the premium '08 version that Roj tuned, so why does it need breaking in? Apologies for that, I'll try and deal with it as soon as I can.
Thanks for the review though, I took a bit of a risk with the gearbox and it appears to have paid off

I'll get back to the other reviews later, quoting and editing posts on the phone is a nightmare...

 

[krenkme]

GT300​

Krenkme RE Amemyia AsparaDrink RX-7 '06: This car is very easy to drive, very stable, and naturally does what you want it to. I was able to run very consistent laps with this car. This is the best RX-7 of the group.
Time: 1:44.662

Thanks for the test and the great lap time 👍

3) krenkme's Diablo
Fuji F Time: 1:38.599

Feedback: Things just seem to be getting better and better. This is a very pleasant car to drive. Wonderful all around from braking to cornering to putting power down. My only slight nitpick is that it feels a bit understeery in spots. I'm going to save this tune for my own use - Unless I like another Diablo more though that seems unlikely. Great job krenkme.

Thank you for the kind words. I know it is not the fastest, but easy to drive, and I'm glad you enjoyed it.

I had more fun driving the GT300 cars than I did the GT500 group. These cars/tunes seemed to have more personality. I mean, the Takata Dome ’03 is fast, but the car doesn’t make for best friend material. I tested the GT300 group using the DS3 with stick extenders. When I test I don’t look at the tune until after I have driven the car. I don’t want any pre-conceived bias if someone approaches tuning differently than me. There were many good tunes in this group and the last three of the final five were tough to pick. Tune reviews listed by lap time, fastest to slowest.

Krenkme – Amemiya RX7 ’06 – lap time 1:45.820
I abused this car. It felt like driving my real world Miata on its best day. Don’t get on the brakes until you nearly pee your pants… mash the gas just after passing the apex… go balls out flat through the long left sweeper. I didn’t want to stop driving it. I have had this car in my garage for a while, but have never driven it. I am not even going to bother building my own tune for this car. I am just slapping Krenkme’s numbers on it and hitting the track. Pure awesomeness!!!

Favorites – This competition is not about lap times, but these are race cars and they should feel and be fast. My top five is mostly about feel and a bit about speed.
1. Kremkme – I love this tune!
2. CSLACR - speed
3. Jackthelad - feel
4. VtiRoj – 4wd Spiderman grip
5. Trackripper 123 – props for the “Fuji” gearbox

WOW! Thanks so much for the kind words. So glad you enjoyed driving it, and thank you for testing it 👍 ..... now how much do I owe you for saying these nice things?

 

[ugabugaz]

Hey Ugabugaz, I put my loctite Mugen NSX on Share. I did the setup a bit different from the Takata where one is engine and the other is turbo, so if possible give it shot and let me know which is better in your opinion. It's has a bit more torque but I did beat my Takata with it.

Thanks in advance

Yup absolutely, I'll give it a go tomorrow.

Hami - I actually test and tune with a DS3, don't have a wheel just yet. We're just different drivers I guess. I always tune and test with an automatic transmission as well (Unless a manual is a must).

 

[trackripper123]

GT300​

Trackripper123 Subaru Cusco Impreza '03: This is how a setup should be! Awesome work Trackripper. This car is a blast to drive, and competitive as well. Handles like a dream. The trans gearing was spot on as well.
Time: 1:44.914

POINTS

1st - Trackripper123
2nd - GeeBaby/praiano63
3rd - Krenkme
4th - CSLACR
5th - VTiRoj

Thanks for the review! Great to see it worked for you 👍 I was much more satisfied with this GT300 entry than my GT500 entry

TrackRipper123 - Castorl Tom's Supra '00 - lap time: 140.493
This tune is difficult to describe. It's pretty good everywhere, but not superb anywhere. It's good at entry and mid-corner, but just short of spot on. It's good on exit, but just a hint of outside rear wheel spin if overdone. The gearbox is good, but it doesn't feel jumpin' fast like some of the others. I liked the tune and think I'd be fine taking her to dinner again, but I'm not looking for something long term. Does that make sense? I think it's less about the tune and more about what PD has done to this car since GT3. Why PD, why... why did you have to neuter such a cool car?

I know exactly what you mean, it's the way I feel about the car + tune too. I don't think its finished 100%, perhaps 85-90% right now.
Thanks for the feedback though 👍

 

[Onboy123]

Onboy – Autobacs Arta ’03 – lap time 1:47.976
A pretty good tune and identical feedback that I gave for your GT500 car. Getting back on throttle in 2nd gear is a problem. There are quite a few of these corners at Fuji so your tune is losing lots of time there. I cannot be aggressive off the corners so it kills my confidence. LSD accel at 30 is too much, in my opinion. In your response to my GT500 feedback you indicated that you didn’t want to lower the LSD accel in fear of hurting mid-corner. I have not found LSD accel to affect mid-corner; only on throttle, mostly corner exit. LSD decel has more effect on mid-corner. Also, 6th gear has more to give.

Well, to be fair, they are identical in setup, so identical feedback is expected. What can I say, I have lead thumbs and I short shift a lot. I see…the diff still screws me over then, as usual.

It's worth remembering (ok, maybe not. ) that I've not tuned for extreme power limiting before, so the gearbox and such are all hit and miss. I just short shift to use the low end pull and to keep the back in check.

Thanks mate 👍

GT300​

Onboy Autobacs Garayia '03: This car is fast and has more potential than I was able to show for it, but for me the understeer mid corner transferring to power-on oversteer caused this car to be a handful for me and very inconsistent.

Power-on oversteer again, eh? Bad Gary, bad! Stop biting testers. It's a handful, yes. I've fed it one too many steroids, it seems. Thanks for the test, and don't worry about the lap times…though I am slower than Krenkme…so something's definitely wrong this round.

2) Onboy123's Raybrig NSX (P)
Fuji F Time: 1:37.330

Feedback: A welcome change from Hami's Takata. Very smooth car, fantastic brakes (Great for rotating), pretty good at putting the power down. The stock Raybrig is a great car as is, so what this tune does is enhance an already solid package. I was surprised at the lack of a turbo on the car - was this intentional? The lap I secured can be improved by as much as .220 in the first half of the lap. I tried and tried to string together a fast lap but I just couldn't nail a fast second half with a quick first half. I might give the car a go a bit later to see if I can push my best composite into one lap.

Yup, N/A ftw. It's a V8 engine, but a Honda at heart, and Hondas don't do turbos. Or…I just prefer a car to run as close to 100% of its potential rather than castrate it, hence the mild limiting and lack of turbos. 'Sides, the thing was a bit of a murderer to begin with, a turbo would upset the balance even more, wouldn't it?

Good luck with that. Do bring me some good news.

 

[VTiRoj]

VTiRoj – Subaru Cusco – lap time 1:46.878
This car is a mid-corner monster. On lap one I learned to carry lots of speed down into the corner because the car had such good mid-corner grip. I never knew that a 4wd car could turn so well. Great tune. Only one issue – 5th and 6th gears have more to give. Second half of your review written under Trackripper123.

Trackripper123 - Subaru Cusco – lap time 1:47.350
The best “Fuji” gearbox of the whole competition; GT300 and GT500. I hit redline just at each and every breaking zone. We can all take a lesson about track specific gearboxes from this tune. Trackripper’s tune is half a second slower than Roj’s tune for this car. This tune was really well balanced. Roj’s car had this odd Spiderman grip mid-corner that must have been the half second. Great tune! The only real issue with this tune is that the engine is not fully broken in and it gained 1 hp by the end five laps. My fastest lap was on lap three so it wasn’t an issue for me. I was called out for this in previous competitions so I had to mention it. 200 miles for break in.

Favorites – This competition is not about lap times, but these are race cars and they should feel and be fast. My top five is mostly about feel and a bit about speed.
1. Kremkme – I love this tune!
2. CSLACR - speed
3. Jackthelad - feel
4. VtiRoj – 4wd Spiderman grip
5. Trackripper 123 – props for the “Fuji” gearbox

Spiderman grip? Best description ever!

I may have set 5th and 6th a bit too long for Fuji. I was happy with the pull in those gears so I kept them as they were.

 

[Motor City Hami]

More like this...

 

[smrtb0mb]

GT500 tests done, results posted along with my top 5 picks.

 

[CSLACR]

@CSLACR yes higher downforce can equal more understeer in a tune. that's the problem with a lot of the streetcars when you put a wing at max downforce on them. they may gain a lot more stability but they also tend to get harder to turn in and hold a line through corners if you don't spend time adjusting the suspension to compensate for it. Same thing happens in race cars and the higher downforce can make a mess you just may not notice it as much because the typical racing grade tires can mask the effect to a certain extent with their greater grip. This is a simple concept that many people seem to have trouble grasping, there is no single magic bullet for making a good tune! Every tuneable part on a car has to be adjusted to work at maximum efficiency with the rest of the components to realize the maximum potential of the car or achieve the desired result. While certain things are more noticeable in their effects, all of it can and does affect the car and its behavior. Couple that with the variables of track and drivers style plus controller types and the possibilities for a quote perfect tune are nearly limitless. Anyways I might see if I can squeeze a bit moret of the "Little Red Wagon" after the Shootout with higher aero and not lose the feel I like but no guarantees on that.

I have to disagree when it comes to down-force. I've just tested so many variables over the years, through all the GT games (including 5) and I've never seen a hint of anything wandering from the ordinary.
Slapping rear-only aero isn't the same ballpark really, but even still, I've seen strong hints that if PP is not a factor, max is still always the way to go, even on street cars, it's just harder to make it rotate that way is all.

I should have chose my words better, what I meant was a lack of aerodynamic grip. When I'm expecting a certain speed through some corners and the car pushes wide compared to the other cars, I just naturally jumped to the term under-steer, when technically it's not under-steer(is that right?)

Under-steer is defined by having to increase steering angle when speed increases.
Over-steer is defined as having to dial the wheel back when you increase speed.
The common idea is whichever end slides first, which is also pretty much the case, because if you have to turn the wheel more the faster you go, it means the front is sliding first, vice versa for the rear.

The one easy(common) way to defy the common idea is to drive too fast and turn the wheel too abruptly that the front tires immediately lose grip, which will create under-steer even on cars with over-steering characteristics. This is made easier when you're downgrading tires or lowering down-force and you expect the car to be able to corner faster than it can.

 

[XDesperado67]

GT500 tests done, results posted along with my top 5 picks.

Whoo Hoo I got a drivers choice vote from someone
Very surprised but much appreciated.👍👍

@CSLACR your last line in the above is the key to the conversation. You said it makes it harder to rotate and that was my main point, not that higher/max aero wasn't ultimately faster generally if not limited by PP but that to achieve the desired result in handling can be much more difficult with, at least for me, the difficulty being on a curve generally. This then comes down to a matter of time for me and how much of it I have available to tune and how interested I am in getting that last little bit out of it.
As an example I spent an insane amount of time on my "Phantom" tune for your 600PP Indy Shootout to try and get the fastest Oval car possible there. It worked on that one track and under the Shootout conditions but the car really wasn't good for anything else. Most times I'm just not that motivated by a car and given situation to put in that much time and effort. It's a deal of if I spend a day to get ninety some percent out of a car for a given situation do I really want to spend the next week or two trying to get that last bit out of it? Will the results justify the effort? If a car or situation motivates me enough then yeah I'll put in that extra time but most times I'm just not that dedicated.
That's the reason someone like Adrenaline has such uniformly great tunes. He'll spend weeks or months fine tuning a given car before he ever thinks about publishing it. Props to him and others like that but I'm just not OCD enough nor a good enough driver to do that for the majority of my cars and tunes.

 

[ugabugaz]

GeeBaby - I tested your Loctite Mugen and after a couple of laps I posted a 1:36.479 (Which is a tad slower than the Takata). I could probably go even faster but not by all that much and since I have lots of cars left to go I'll leave the Loctite for now. Now as far as the car compares to the Takata, well it's a bit more wild under throttle though it seems to enter corners much easier which is a major plus. If you could transplant the quick corner entry into the Takata I think you'll make a really superbly quick car. I'd love to try a hybrid Takata . As far as chassis and other things I think the Takata is faster though the Loctite has better suspension tuning.

Saved replay if you like to see it too, I can upload a video of it.

 

[smrtb0mb]

Whoo Hoo I got a drivers choice vote from someone
Very surprised but much appreciated.👍👍

Yup, as I said in the comments, it made me think outside the box and came away learning some things about the track I can apply to non-JGTC cars. 👍

 

[GeeBaby]

GeeBaby - I tested your Loctite Mugen and after a couple of laps I posted a 1:36.479 (Which is a tad slower than the Takata). I could probably go even faster but not by all that much and since I have lots of cars left to go I'll leave the Loctite for now. Now as far as the car compares to the Takata, well it's a bit more wild under throttle though it seems to enter corners much easier which is a major plus. If you could transplant the quick corner entry into the Takata I think you'll make a really superbly quick car. I'd love to try a hybrid Takata . As far as chassis and other things I think the Takata is faster though the Loctite has better suspension tuning.

Saved replay if you like to see it too, I can upload a video of it.

Yeah I would love to see the replay. I did tune the suspension different just to see if it might be a better way to go. I think I have something similar saved on the Takata under setting A. When you finish testing you can give it a try if you want.

The wild = mid turbo. It just gives the car instant response. I just wanted to see if the turbo setup on an NSX works which I have never done before. As someone stated before, NSX are suppose to be engine in my book as well.

Thanks for the feedback. Much appreciated

 

[CSLACR]

Regulations in GT500 are considerably looser than most GT classifications, and teams are free to change engines with other models made by the manufacturer, change the alignment of the engine, or add forced-induction systems to models which do not normally have it, however from 2010 onwards all GT500 cars run V8 engines displacing 3.4 liters.

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[ugabugaz]

Yeah I would love to see the replay. I did tune the suspension different just to see if it might be a better way to go. I think I have something similar saved on the Takata under setting A. When you finish testing you can give it a try if you want.

The wild = mid turbo. It just gives the car instant response. I just wanted to see if the turbo setup on an NSX works which I have never done before. As someone stated before, NSX are suppose to be engine in my book as well.

Thanks for the feedback. Much appreciated

Finished up with your Takata, Settled on a time of 1:36.305 (Replay Saved).

Here's the Loctite Mugen video 1:36.479 - Bit messy here and there but eh...

 

[CSLACR]

Nice lap, solid lines. Swing a bit wider (all the way out there) for the final turn and it's pretty well set.

 

[GeeBaby]

Yeah def a nice line you have there ugabugaz. That run didn't look messy at all. It may have been more the car.

Thanks for the video man.

 

[CSLACR]

Before I get through all the cars,(and don't have any saved replays) does anyone want a downloadable replay for their tune/car?

There will be 35's. It's already happened in a non-Takata ( ) NSX. If the Takata is significantly quicker, 34 may be a very slight possibility.
I have never driven the Takata Dome '03 in GT5 to date.

 

[smrtb0mb]

I'd watch a 34. Or a 35 for that matter.

 

[Onboy123]

Eh, ugabugaz, mind uploading the replay for my car?

 

[CSLACR]

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=7113518#post7113518

A link in the OP would help me update this.
Added Onboy and krenkme GT300 entries. Very nice.👍

 

[Onboy123]

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=7113518#post7113518

A link in the OP would help me update this.
Added Onboy and krenkme GT300 entries. Very nice.👍

*I told you so*

Onboy123 - '03 Garaiya: 1:43.838
TOO MUCH POWER *301* - I fixed it for my run, but...

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it. I know it has that, but when you take it down, it becomes 299 in the menu? Ah well, I'll fix it when I get back. Great time as well…however…

krenkme - '06 Asparadrink RX-7: 1:43.825

WHYY?!??!?! WHY, WHY, WHY, WHY, WHY, WHY?!?!??!!??! Y U SO FAST THIS TIME?!!

 

[ugabugaz]

Before I get through all the cars,(and don't have any saved replays) does anyone want a downloadable replay for their tune/car?

There will be 35's. It's already happened in a non-Takata ( ) NSX. If the Takata is significantly quicker, 34 may be a very slight possibility.
I have never driven the Takata Dome '03 in GT5 to date.

Sure! Anything of mine you test, I'd take the replays


Onboy, I'll put your NSX lap up in 30 minutes or so..

I think I'm burned out for today, I was doing Adrenaline's Takata and I was really quick but then started being really slow so..more tomorrow.