The 20 tracks issue is really bugging me

[atlop]

That's a joke, isn't it? In WRC events there are at least around 14 different Special Stages, often run twice. Sometimes even more (total number of stages is always around 20-30). Multiply it by 12 (now. Earlier it was like 16, varied year to year) and that gives you nice and neat 150+ tracks. All of them at least around 5km long, with longest ones reaching over 30 kilometers.

Now go ahead and choose only 6. It would be a joke to say that they "included" WRC in the game. Which makes me wonder how will they solve it...

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This is just what I have been thinking. And after reading this thread and the various track lists in it there are always only a couple of WRC "tracks" (they should be called stages really), how you can say WRC is "included"??? You should have at least 10 unique point to point stages. The old WRC games on PS2 had from 20 to 60+ unique stages, many of them more than 5 km long.

I would kill for the genuine Rally Finland tracks. Ouninpohja, anyone?

Yes please!

 

[Forgetful]

This 1 million is more 20+, as a mantra to hold out hope that the translation is wrong, is getting pretty hollow. No, especially in Press Releases, uses a specific number, like 20 or 60, in a generalization like that, unless they intend it to be a close estimation...like within 5 or 10.

Now I'm not saying that because of that translation, there's for sure only 20 tracks. My best theory is that that press release was leaked 'accidentally on purpose', filled with mostly accurate information, but sprinkled with some purposeful innacuracies to keep the viral internet campaign buzzing.

Practice a wait and see mentality, and wait for real, official information that has been officially translated in to your native language, with regards to every aspect of GT5.

 

[rookiebalboa]

I seriously doubt there will only be 20 tracks. in the "GT5 master Track List" https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=115188&highlight=master we already have 12 confirmed tracks, and 11 of them are 100% confirmed with trailer clips or ingame footage, only madrid is lacking footage. to those 12 tracks we can add "Toscana" and "Tokyo". coming to a total of 14 confirmed tracks.
furthermore, we can be sure of at least one more rally track, because otherwise it would be pointless to get an official license for WRC.
so already we have 15-16 tracks. should PD then only make 4 more tracks? it seems at bit too BAD to be true! imho.

 

[stickman1987]

hey not too sure if this has been mentioned but with everyone fighting about how many tracks will be in GT5, i noticed something on Prologue that may give a hint at how many tracks there will be. If you watch the ending movie you will see a heap of tracks on the left side in blueprint form. Now at first i thought it was just the tracks from Prologue but i noticed Laguna Seca in there and also a few others from Gt4. I tried counting them and i think i saw 26 tracks just in the video. So my guess is we will have quite a few more tracks than just 20.

 

[CerealKiller]

Yeah 20 tracks just doesn't make sense. They're not gonna put 60 or 80 in GTPSP and give GT5 20.

 

[jagenigma]

Well, I think we can confirm that most tracks from GT4 are going to be in GT5. It wouldn't make any sense any other way. PD wouldn't give GT5 only 20 tracks. Remember, there will also be DLC for GT5. So don't hang on to the notion of only 20 tracks will be on GT5. More tracks will come after the game is released.

 

[paulpg87]

With WRC and Nascar it's impossible to have only 20 tracks. WRC race in 12 countries so at least we are goign to have 12 stages ( there is no sense in having wrc licence and than not having wrc rallies). Nascar, i don't know how is the championship, but there must be at least 4 or 5 ovals. Surely we are going to have classic gt original tracks like high speed ring , el capitan etc. I think that 20+ refers to new tracks never seen before.. like i hope Spa, Monza, Silverstone.

 

[regnar]

This 1 million is more 20+, as a mantra to hold out hope that the translation is wrong, is getting pretty hollow. No, especially in Press Releases, uses a specific number, like 20 or 60, in a generalization like that, unless they intend it to be a close estimation...like within 5 or 10.

Now I'm not saying that because of that translation, there's for sure only 20 tracks. My best theory is that that press release was leaked 'accidentally on purpose', filled with mostly accurate information, but sprinkled with some purposeful innacuracies to keep the viral internet campaign buzzing.

Practice a wait and see mentality, and wait for real, official information that has been officially translated in to your native language, with regards to every aspect of GT5.

After about a week to aborb this, going from multiple translations, moving onto focusing on the specifics detailed in the fact sheet, it appears that there is a little bit of fact & fiction going on.

I for one now expect that we are more than likley going to see a lot more course than 20

 

[Devedander]

GT2 cars: 650.
GT3 cars: over 150 (according to wiki)

GT4 cars: over 700.
GT5 cars: over 1000.

BUSTED.

Why are you quoting car counts when he is talking about track counts? And what exactly is busted, those numbers show car count dropping as the game moved hardware?

 

[Tenacious D]

Deve... you can't be serious. ZOMG... anyway...

Will we have Nascar and WRC championships in the game or just the cars?
KY: "There will be real Nascar races in the game. Nascar had (it) necessary to be included in the game. Regarding WRC championship we have been trying to add it to series since long ago. Now we got it."

Look, we're getting at least two licensed keagues in GT5 with championships. This means a series of races on tracks that are either licensed or in addition to fantasy versions of real courses to flesh out a championship. But whether all tracks are licensed or most, this means a number of courses which should easily total up more than 20, and most likely have never been in a Gran Turismo game. You sure as heck aren't going to run a WRC race on either an oval or Trial Mountain, though you might on Grindelwald... woo, I want to see that.

Anyway, this guarantees more than 20 race locations, so you guys really need to forget about this 20 track issue.

 

[Northstar]

I think there is a good chance at the following tracks being in the game as they are essentially owned by NASCAR.
Auto Club Speedway (California)
Chicagoland
Darlington
Daytona(confirmed)
Homestead-Miami
Kansas
Martinsville
Michigan
Phoenix
Richmond
Talladega
Watkins Glen

Follwing that we also have one confirmed track(Infineon) from the other major track owner Speedway Motorsports. Here are the rest.
Atlanta
Bristol
Las Vegas
Charlotte Speedway (Formerly Lowe's)
New Hampshire
Texas

Now add Indy and you have 20 right there (The other 2 tracks the Cup series races on are Dover & Pocono)

 

[paulpg87]

Deve... you can't be serious. ZOMG... anyway...


Look, we're getting at least two licensed keagues in GT5 with championships. This means a series of races on tracks that are either licensed or in addition to fantasy versions of real courses to flesh out a championship. But whether all tracks are licensed or most, this means a number of courses which should easily total up more than 20, and most likely have never been in a Gran Turismo game. You sure as heck aren't going to run a WRC race on either an oval or Trial Mountain, though you might on Grindelwald... woo, I want to see that.

Anyway, this guarantees more than 20 race locations, so you guys really need to forget about this 20 track issue.

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[zazaza]

That's a joke, isn't it? In WRC events there are at least around 14 different Special Stages, often run twice. Sometimes even more (total number of stages is always around 20-30). Multiply it by 12 (now. Earlier it was like 16, varied year to year) and that gives you nice and neat 150+ tracks. All of them at least around 5km long, with longest ones reaching over 30 kilometers.

Now go ahead and choose only 6. It would be a joke to say that they "included" WRC in the game. Which makes me wonder how will they solve it...

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I'm totally agree. 👍

 

[Tenacious D]

I think this is what most of us are pondering, not the silly 20 track thing. A NASCAR championship as Justin lists above covers a good number of racecourses, and as Kaz said in his interview, NASCAR insisted on a good representation of the series in order for Polyphony to get the license, and the same for WRC. Are we getting 30 to 40 tracks just in those two series? And with all the tracks which have been in past GT games and, at least with the fantasy tracks, should be easy to upgrade for GT5, we could be looking at more than 60 tracks, and then their variations totaling over 100. Remember, there were only two or three of us thinking there would be 1000 cars in GT5, so the track count could be very high.

 

[Tapey]

Well it's what, 3 weeks (maybe a bit more) until Tokyo Game Show now?

The wait is agonizing

 

[Tenacious D]

Three weeks from... Thursday is it? I agree, time is beginning to crawl! The question of what news we're going to get is burning in my mind...

 

[Schmo]

Look, we're getting at least two licensed keagues in GT5 with championships. This means a series of races on tracks that are either licensed or in addition to fantasy versions of real courses to flesh out a championship. But whether all tracks are licensed or most, this means a number of courses which should easily total up more than 20, and most likely have never been in a Gran Turismo game. You sure as heck aren't going to run a WRC race on either an oval or Trial Mountain, though you might on Grindelwald... woo, I want to see that.

Anyway, this guarantees more than 20 race locations, so you guys really need to forget about this 20 track issue.

Somebody with sense of mind. This what I've been preaching the whole time.

I think there is a good chance at the following tracks being in the game as they are essentially owned by NASCAR.
Auto Club Speedway (California)
Chicagoland
Darlington
Daytona(confirmed)
Homestead-Miami
Kansas
Martinsville
Michigan
Phoenix
Richmond
Talladega
Watkins Glen

Follwing that we also have one confirmed track(Infineon) from the other major track owner Speedway Motorsports. Here are the rest.
Atlanta
Bristol
Las Vegas
Charlotte Speedway (Formerly Lowe's)
New Hampshire
Texas

Now add Indy and you have 20 right there (The other 2 tracks the Cup series races on are Dover & Pocono)

Thats a good list of what they should have in there. I want Dega to be #1 priority. That track would be insane for speed testing. Way better then the test track with its tight bank turns.

 

[WolfRacer543]

There's always the possibility that, even though they have NASCAR and WRC, they dont have many tracks for them. It would suck if that's the case, but it is a possibility.

 

[regnar]

Looking back at the GT Series, PD has never had a complete series, JGTC always ran on mixed tracks. The most likely scenario for WRC & Nascar is going to be a mix of real world tracks & fantasy tracks.

 

[Schmo]

There's always the possibility that, even though they have NASCAR and WRC, they dont have many tracks for them. It would suck if that's the case, but it is a possibility.

Well, thats what me and Tenacious D have been saying. Say at the minimum they have 5 tracks for each series. Thats 10 tracks right there. So 20 was always a BS number.

 

[petter mo]

well its now comfirmed by PD that the list wicth stated 20+ tracks was true

 

[the_fatadder]

well its now comfirmed by PD that the list wicth stated 20+ tracks was true

Still dosn't really tell us anything though, I know logically 20+ is probably somewhere within the 20 - 29 range (as anything else would be described as 30+) but that still dosnt say if that is in total across all series, just for the core GT mode or whatever...

 

[Schmo]

well its now comfirmed by PD that the list wicth stated 20+ tracks was true

Still dosn't really tell us anything though, I know logically 20+ is probably somewhere within the 20 - 29 range (as anything else would be described as 30+) but that still dosnt say if that is in total across all series, just for the core GT mode or whatever...

Thats right. Still could mean 20+ International tracks just for WRC and NASCAR. Which is where I'm putting my money on.

 

[Tenacious D]

Actually, the number quoted in the interviews was 80.

MultiPlayer:What about the game features that were published on the official japanese site, 1000 cars, 80 tracks and YouTube download? (should be UPload)

KY: ”We would like to wait to publish them, but what you read on the site is true.”

That may sound confusing, but don't forget that GT Mobile has more than 35 track locations, like GT4 did.

 

[Sturdy]

Actually, the number quoted in the interviews was 80.

That may sound confusing, but don't forget that GT Mobile has more than 35 track locations, like GT4 did.

Yes, but KY replied that what we read on the website is true, not what the interviewer asked...

The website said more than 20 courses, more than 60 layouts and until we get another official release of information from PD stating otherwise, that's all we can expect.

Of course 20 tracks seems ridiculous, but they have not said anything about track numbers other than what was on the webpage, so as much as we'd all like 80 to be true, there's no genuine evidence to back that up, only people hoping and reasoning...

 

[Schmo]

Yes, but KY replied that what we read on the website is true, not what the interviewer asked...

The website said more than 20 courses, more than 60 layouts and until we get another official release of information from PD stating otherwise, that's all we can expect.

Of course 20 tracks seems ridiculous, but they have not said anything about track numbers other than what was on the webpage, so as much as we'd all like 80 to be true, there's no genuine evidence to back that up, only people hoping and reasoning...

Yes but we still dont know what the 20 was referring to. I like I said above, it can be just related to certain track types or series.

 

[C-ZETA]

well its now comfirmed by PD that the list wicth stated 20+ tracks was true

How'd you know exactly?

 

[regnar]

Quote:
MultiPlayer:What about the game features that were published on the official japanese site, 1000 cars, 80 tracks and YouTube download? (should be UPload)

KY: ”We would like to wait to publish them, but what you read on the site is true.”


This is where you have to be cautious how you read into things, KY never specifically addressed the reporters numbers, but referred to the info on the web site as correct. The reporter is either adding up 20 courses & 60 Layouts, which you can't do, or refers to the earlier translation of the list (which is all over the web) that listed 60 confirmed & 20 or more to be revealed. Simply if he was agreeing with the reporter, then he would be disagreeing with his web site, which from our own Japanese members translation reads "* More than 20 courses. * Layout of more than 60". Also as of note the reporter throws several things at him, tracks being in the mix. So really didn't specifically answer him.


Refering to the "* More than 20 courses. * Layout of more than 60" has it's own problems, when you take out the approx 12 known courses, seen in GT5p, Demos & E3 & approx 19 layouts to those courses, leaves us with 41 layouts to be divided among 8 courses. Thats about 5 layouts per each course.


All that said, I think some of the info on the web site is inaccurate. Personally expect the course numbers to be higher that GT4.

 

[magicalgin]

I think there is a good chance at the following tracks being in the game as they are essentially owned by NASCAR.
Auto Club Speedway (California)
Chicagoland
Darlington
Daytona(confirmed)
Homestead-Miami
Kansas
Martinsville
Michigan
Phoenix
Richmond
Talladega
Watkins Glen

Follwing that we also have one confirmed track(Infineon) from the other major track owner Speedway Motorsports. Here are the rest.
Atlanta
Bristol
Las Vegas
Charlotte Speedway (Formerly Lowe's)
New Hampshire
Texas

Now add Indy and you have 20 right there (The other 2 tracks the Cup series races on are Dover & Pocono)

you forgot that these confirmed circuits are also in it:
Nurnburgring
Motegi
Tsukuba
Suzuka
Monaco
and some more but can't think of them atm

 

[Dave A]

We're still none the wiser. There's no way 20 tracks will create over 60 variations. Many of the real world tracks will only have 1 layout and no reverse layouts. You're looking at an average of 3 layouts per track for 20 to make 60. There's something missing in translation. I'm not saying the translations wern't accurate, but direct translations don't always make the right point. What they understand as 20+ tracks and over 60 layouts in Japan might not mean what we are assuming it means through a direct translation.

We will just have to wait and see, I can't realistically see it being only 20 tracks but none of us really know or can come to any accurate conclusion with the information we ave at this time.