The 2012 Driver transfer discussion/speculation thread

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I'm amazed at how often people bring up that quote from Ayrton. You know, "if you think I'm fast, you should see my nephew Bruno". People actually think he was serious.

My dad is an excellent football player. Still is. When I was a kid, other kids used to come to my house and ask me to play football hoping my dad would come out and play. I can remember once, my dad said "if you think I'm good, you should see my son play" to someone. Despite being naturally quite good at football (which I actually hate), I'm no where near as good as my father who was actually a promising player until and injury stopped his career.
 
Bruno was 11 when Ayrton died.

How much promise must he have had? The point being, he would have secured a top drive or a Hamilton-esque scholarship if he had that much promise. So yeah, Aytron must have been being complimentary.

Would be somewhat interesting to see Senna & Williams together again, but I'm holding out for a Rubihno.
 
Ardius
Its a nice quote, to put it quite simply.
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Exactly, but whenever there is talk about Bruno getting a drive, someone always mentions it. As if they believe that Bruno is quicker than Ayrton.
 
No, they mention it (or rather, it gets mentioned in news articles like that BBC one) simply because its a nice quote.
I don't see anywhere in that article that suggests Andrew Benson believes it - quite the opposite really considering he also states that "its doubtful he is the next Alonso or Vettel".

Just because someone brings up that quote, doesn't mean they have an agenda. It can be simply just a nice quote to mention...as it is a nice quote. Makes writing a news article like that much easier if you stick a few nice quotes and such in.
 
F1 fan
Exactly, but whenever there is talk about Bruno getting a drive, someone always mentions it. As if they believe that Bruno is quicker than Ayrton.
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As I've mentioned before, remember Christian Fittipaldi, Emerson's Nephew? Not a good F1 Driver by any standards, 4th Place being a best finish. Just because your relative is a quick F1 driver, does not mean that you will be.
 
Tom
Just because your relative is a quick F1 driver, does not mean that you will be.
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Not sure if I missed something, but I never implied that it was the case.
 
F1 fan
Not sure if I missed something, but I never implied that it was the case.
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I wasn't implying that, I was just backing up your earlier posts about Ayrton.
 
jcm
:) I'm happy Senna is the favourite for the seat. I like Barrichello, but I don't think he needs a drive quite so much. I would rather see someone young with potential to improve take the seat at Williams.
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That's what the Maldonado seat is supposed to be; a young, upcoming driver, but obviously the sponsorship is playing a huge part there.

Barrichello has experience. Williams have a young driver, not the best one, but they have one. So I think that considering what a horrendous position Williams find themselves in, they should stick by Rubens. He can still put in a good drive, but the car he had last year was absolutely awful. Just 4 points for him. They need all the expertise and experience they can get, and with Head stepping down, perhaps they can put their spat behind them.

I look at Barrichello's time at Jordan in 1993 and Stewart in 1997. Woeful cars, but he managed to do well, all things considered. Granted, it was a long time ago now, but that experience would still come in very handy.

2012 should be his final year. I can't see him being of much more use beyond that, unless he wants to drop as low as HRT, which I highly doubt.
 
jcm
:) I'm happy Senna is the favourite for the seat. I like Barrichello, but I don't think he needs a drive quite so much. I would rather see someone young with potential to improve take the seat at Williams.
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Senna isn't young! He is 7 years older than Jaime Alguersuari.
 
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Senna isn't young! He is 7 years older than Jaime Alguersuari.
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I meant young in experience
Senna 26 races
Alguesuari 46 races
Barrichello 322 races


MazdaPrice
That's what the Maldonado seat is supposed to be; a young, upcoming driver, but obviously the sponsorship is playing a huge part there.

Barrichello has experience. Williams have a young driver, not the best one, but they have one. So I think that considering what a horrendous position Williams find themselves in, they should stick by Rubens. He can still put in a good drive, but the car he had last year was absolutely awful. Just 4 points for him. They need all the expertise and experience they can get, and with Head stepping down, perhaps they can put their spat behind them.

I look at Barrichello's time at Jordan in 1993 and Stewart in 1997. Woeful cars, but he managed to do well, all things considered. Granted, it was a long time ago now, but that experience would still come in very handy.

2012 should be his final year. I can't see him being of much more use beyond that, unless he wants to drop as low as HRT, which I highly doubt.
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I do agree that Barrichello is a good driver, I don't believe he's better then Senna. I believe their aurond equal. Also, I don't think Barrichello's experience will help develop the car as much as Senna's extra sponsership money...


(I've read Senna has more sponsership then Barrichello, although I don't actually know what either of their sponserships are...)
 
Maldonado has the backing of an entire Government, he brings enough cash.

Barrichello develops the car from the technical side. Testing, on track and so on. He's driven some impressive cars. The Jordan 194, Stewart SF3, those fantastic Ferraris and the Brawn BGP01.
 
Experience -> Knowing what upgrades to make

Money -> Being able to make those upgrades

It's often a difficult balance for those midfield teams.
 
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Yeah, it's a hard decision to make. As a fan of the sport who isn't employed by any of the teams it's hard to know how much impact that experience has compared to money. All I know is that there might be a Brazillian driving for Williams.
 
Nothing paid off for them last season, it was Williams' worst point scoring season in history. Only their debut season, where they scored zero, is statistically worse.

Had they opted for a hypothetical Senna/Maldonado combination for 2011, I doubt they would have gotten any more than the 5 points they got in reality.
 
To be fair though, they were on for some good points at Monaco courtesy of Maldonado. He would have outscored Barrichello had Hamilton not had a case of brain fade.

I'm interested to see how Pastor will do at Monaco this year. He is known to be a bit of a Monaco specialist.
 
Maldonado is very fast in qualifying, but he needs to improve a bit his race pace. I would keep Barrichello and Maldonado in Williams and Senna in Lotus as third driver.

But money goes first...
 
Without meaning to be too hard on Rubens, the BrawnGP car was the championship winning car because it was the best design at the start of the new regulations, he just happened to be there (and didn't beat Jenson in the process). And the 1999 Stewart that he raced was a good car beset by reliability woes, unlike the Ferrari/McLaren of the time. I don't think by any means he's not an excellent driver, just don't think that he is due one more season. I mean, what is he going to prove? Give the seat to Senna, someone who has shown promise in a few brief moments and who is hungry for success after many wasted years.
 
peter_vod69
Without meaning to be too hard on Rubens, the BrawnGP car was the championship winning car because it was the best design at the start of the new regulations, he just happened to be there (and didn't beat Jenson in the process). And the 1999 Stewart that he raced was a good car beset by reliability woes, unlike the Ferrari/McLaren of the time. I don't think by any means he's not an excellent driver, just don't think that he is due one more season. I mean, what is he going to prove? Give the seat to Senna, someone who has shown promise in a few brief moments and who is hungry for success after many wasted years.
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Exactly my thoughts

This would've been so easy if he'd retired...
 
Rubens was always on the pace with Button. And by mid season, when he finally got his rear braking issues sorted, was getting the better of Button in 2009. Shame for his bad luck in Brazil, otherwise he could have won the championship. And yes, I am serious.
 
Peter.
Rubens was always on the pace with Button. And by mid season, when he finally got his rear braking issues sorted, was getting the better of Button in 2009. Shame for his bad luck in Brazil, otherwise he could have won the championship. And yes, I am serious.
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You could say 'x' driver had bad luck and if it wasn't for 'x' race he could have won the championship for most seasons.
 
Peter.
Rubens was always on the pace with Button. And by mid season, when he finally got his rear braking issues sorted, was getting the better of Button in 2009. Shame for his bad luck in Brazil, otherwise he could have won the championship. And yes, I am serious.
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What?

Okay, after the Japanese Grand Prix, Button had 85 points to Barrichello's 71. If Barrichello had won in Brazil (pushing Button down to sixth), he would have had 81 points, while Button would have been on 88. And after Abu Dhabi, Jenson Button (who finished third) would have had 94 points, while Rubens Barrichello (in fourth) would have had 93. Button would have won the title by a single point.
 
I'm a huge fan of Barrichello, but even I can admit he wasn't on the pace all year in 2009. When he did come good he did very well indeed but it was a case of too little, too late..
 
maybe Rubens was just trying to get a solid 20 years into F1 and then retire...he cant possibly offer any more than what he already has esp with Williams right now unless they offer a competitive car, but as much of a nice guy he is...niceness dont win you races
 
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