The 2020 George Floyd/BLM/Police Brutality Protests Discussion Thread

[DesertPenguin]

What about the dog though? As much as he was following orders should he be able to know the difference between a docile figure and someone resisting arrest?

 

[Blood Eagle]

What about the dog though? As much as he was following orders should he be able to know the difference between a docile figure and someone resisting arrest?

Police dogs respond to command. They are not individual thinkers.

 

[DesertPenguin]

Police dogs respond to command. They are not individual thinkers.

I feel bad for the dog either way. I hope he doesn't lose his job over this. Actually serious as silly as that sounds.

 

[Blood Eagle]

I feel bad for the dog either way. I hope he doesn't lose his job over this. Actually serious as silly as that sounds.

I would agree. They are highly trained dogs who reply to commands. Dog was commanded to do something and did. Pretty cut and dry on the dog's end.

 

[McLaren]

Don't think anything bad will happen to the dog. Assuming the officer loses the dog as a partner, I'm guessing the dog is reassigned or is allowed to be adopted out of the department (as I've heard many K9s are adopted by their handlers or families suited to transition them to a quieter life).

 

[HenrySwanson]

That their economic circumstances are worse? Sure. It doesn't explain why they're more likely to be arrested and incarcerated regardless of criminality though.

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In other news, leaked documents show police knew far-right extremists were the real threat at protests, not “antifa”.

https://theintercept.com/2020/07/15/george-floyd-protests-police-far-right-antifa/

How do arrest/incarceration rates affect death statistics?

 

[UKMikey]

How do arrest/incarceration rates affect death statistics?

They don’t but I'm pretty sure their economic circumstances do. To be honest I'm not sure what point you're trying to make by bringing this up.

 

[HenrySwanson]

They don’t but I'm pretty sure their economic circumstances do. To be honest I'm not sure what point you're trying to make by bringing this up.

This all started from your objection to who was killing Chicagoans, rather than what

 

[UKMikey]

This all started from your objection to who was killing Chicagoans, rather than what

No, it didn't. My objection was about black people being more likely to be victims.

 

[Dotini]

Apparently a DOJ memo threatens to cut off federal funding to "anarchist jurisdictions" such as New York, Portland and Seattle.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loc...rk-city-as-an-anarchist-jurisdiction/2627588/

 

[Imari]

Apparently a DOJ memo threatens to cut off federal funding to "anarchist jurisdictions" such as New York, Portland and Seattle.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loc...rk-city-as-an-anarchist-jurisdiction/2627588/

It's important to have weapons in order to rise up and defend oneself against unjust government, but it's also important to remember that if the populace does rise up against a government that they claim is unjust that it's because they're anarchists.

 

[Joey D]

The SLPD released the bodycam footage of the 13-year-old boy with Asperger's who was shot a few weeks ago. I'm not going to link the video since it shows a 13-year-old being shot, repeatedly, by police. But you can see if if you follow the link to the news story, which links to the SLPD's YouTube where the footage was released.

Link to News Story

Apparently, the mother who called for crisis intervention said that her son might have a toy weapon on him, but didn't know for sure. The cops said they needed to treat it like it was a real gun and apparently they did so. The boy, Linden Cameron, was also apparently afraid of law enforcement since his grandfather had been killed back in January after an encounter with police (a shooting that appears justified), but I have to imagine that would be hard to explain to kid, let alone a kid with mental health issues.

In the video it shows Cameron walking down the sidewalk trying to get away from police. They tell him to stop and get on the ground and when he doesn't, one officer mag dumps in the boy's back and side. The boy then falls on the side walks, bleeding, and says "I don't feel so good, tell my mom I love her." The cameras shut off after that to protect the boy's privacy, but what we know is that he was handcuffed (because someone who just had an entire magazine put into them would be able to fight back...right).

The police chief and the mayor held a press conference yesterday are were, unsurprisingly, milly-mouthed about the whole thing. They called it a tragedy and an opportunity for learning. Yeah, opportunity for learning alright. Guess that's what we say when police use excessive force.

Seriously if the police thought Cameron was a threat, there was more than once during the incident they could've deployed a taser or even just tackled him. But nope, they immediately went for their service weapon.

I hope the cop that did this gets put through the wringer. I know he probably won't but he should be.

 

[Sander 001]

Looting leads to unrest, not the other way around.

 

[UKMikey]

The SLPD released the bodycam footage of the 13-year-old boy with Asperger's who was shot a few weeks ago. I'm not going to link the video since it shows a 13-year-old being shot, repeatedly, by police. But you can see if if you follow the link to the news story, which links to the SLPD's YouTube where the footage was released.

Link to News Story

Apparently, the mother who called for crisis intervention said that her son might have a toy weapon on him, but didn't know for sure. The cops said they needed to treat it like it was a real gun and apparently they did so. The boy, Linden Cameron, was also apparently afraid of law enforcement since his grandfather had been killed back in January after an encounter with police (a shooting that appears justified), but I have to imagine that would be hard to explain to kid, let alone a kid with mental health issues.

In the video it shows Cameron walking down the sidewalk trying to get away from police. They tell him to stop and get on the ground and when he doesn't, one officer mag dumps in the boy's back and side. The boy then falls on the side walks, bleeding, and says "I don't feel so good, tell my mom I love her." The cameras shut off after that to protect the boy's privacy, but what we know is that he was handcuffed (because someone who just had an entire magazine put into them would be able to fight back...right).

The police chief and the mayor held a press conference yesterday are were, unsurprisingly, milly-mouthed about the whole thing. They called it a tragedy and an opportunity for learning. Yeah, opportunity for learning alright. Guess that's what we say when police use excessive force.

Seriously if the police thought Cameron was a threat, there was more than once during the incident they could've deployed a taser or even just tackled him. But nope, they immediately went for their service weapon.

I hope the cop that did this gets put through the wringer. I know he probably won't but he should be.

Thank god he's still alive.

 

[TexRex]

"I'm tired of giving chase. This will stop him running."

 

[UKMikey]

"I'm tired of giving chase. This will stop him running."

Hey, #bluelivesmatter and that kid could've shot them with the gun his mum already told them was a toy. What gets me is how hard she tried to stop this happening and yet the incident seemed to occur with shocking inevitability.

https://kutv.com/news/local/mother-...icer-speaks-out-why-didnt-you-just-tackle-him

We don't even know the name of the trigger-happy cop who let loose on the kid because SLCPD have closed ranks.

Waiting for some idiot to say "where's the outrage?" because he's white.

 

[killerjimbag]

Read this article. This is the Court system in Chicago at its finest. How was this guy not in jail? Now 2 people are dead.
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/chicago...rder-in-mass-shooting-at-west-side-party/amp/

You can also read this article too.
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local...al&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share

 

[TexRex]

What gets me is how hard she tried to stop this happening and yet the incident seemed to occur with shocking inevitability.

Listening to her talk, I got the sense that she knew how inevitable it was and she was doing her best to prevent it. The sad thing is that every word she said went in one ear and the only word that didn't go out the other was "gun."

Waiting for some idiot to say "where's the outrage?" because he's white.

I was thinking exactly that, so I will.

Come on, "All Lives Matter" crowd. Linden Cameron was white. He was just thirteen years old. He didn't have the easiest of times and his life wasn't of his own making, rather he was dealt a difficult hand. Where's the outrage?

Oh, I know, "All Lives Matter" is only useful as a rebuttal to "Black Lives Matter."

Now 2 people are dead.

Lots of people are dead.

 

[killerjimbag]

Listening to her talk, I got the sense that she knew how inevitable it was and she was doing her best to prevent it. The sad thing is that every word she said went in one ear and the only word that didn't go out the other was "gun."


I was thinking exactly that, so I will.

Come on, "All Lives Matter" crowd. Linden Cameron was white. He was just thirteen years old. He didn't have the easiest of times and his life wasn't of his own making, rather he was dealt a difficult hand. Where's the outrage?

Oh, I know, "All Lives Matter" is only useful as a rebuttal to "Black Lives Matter."


Lots of people are dead.

Explain how he was allowed out of jail? Seeing his past record?
Explain how he was able to get a weapon again?
Explain why there is no protests going on there yet again by BLM?
Where is Lebron condemning this?
Not the narrative !

 

[TexRex]

Explain how he was allowed out of jail? Seeing his past record?
Explain how he was able to get a weapon again?
Explain why there is no protests going on there yet again by BLM?
Where is Lebron condemning this?
Not the narrative !

What?

 

[Joey D]

Explain how he was allowed out of jail? Seeing his past record?

In America, you're allowed out on bond if you can post it. This is being done more and more right now because of COVID.

Explain how he was able to get a weapon again?

I would wager a majority of illegal weapons are obtained through illegal means.

Where is Lebron condemning this?

I assume he's trying to win a championship right now.

 

[novcze]

I hope the cop that did this gets put through the wringer. I know he probably won't but he should be.

"Multiple investigations into the shooting — by the police department, the Salt Lake County DA's Office, and the city's Civilian Review Board — are ongoing."

Do we wait until the investigations are done or we throw him into the wringer right away?

We don't even know the name of the trigger-happy cop who let loose on the kid because SLCPD have closed ranks.

Why do you want to know, good ol' doxing?

Come on, "All Lives Matter" crowd. Linden Cameron was white. He was just thirteen years old. He didn't have the easiest of times and his life wasn't of his own making, rather he was dealt a difficult hand. Where's the outrage?

"Multiple investigations into the shooting — by the police department, the Salt Lake County DA's Office, and the city's Civilian Review Board — are ongoing."

I don't want to sound heartless but he is being investigated and I hope that justice will be served. Is this reasonable reaction or should I go and protest/riot?

 

[Joey D]

"Multiple investigations into the shooting — by the police department, the Salt Lake County DA's Office, and the city's Civilian Review Board — are ongoing."

Do we wait until the investigations are done or we throw him into the wringer right away?

Did you watch the video? The officer mag dumped into a 13-year-old's back and side. In what universe is that acceptable? I have no idea what it's like in the Czech Republic, but in America, it's typically not kosher to shoot an unarmed juvenile who's in need of medical care.

 

[NotThePrez]

Explain how he was allowed out of jail? Seeing his past record?
Explain how he was able to get a weapon again?
Explain why there is no protests going on there yet again by BLM?
Where is Lebron condemning this?
Not the narrative !

Reply moved to actually relevant thread.

 

[novcze]

Did you watch the video? The officer mag dumped into a 13-year-old's back and side. In what universe is that acceptable?

I didn't watch it and I never said that it's acceptable.

 

[Joey D]

I didn't watch it and I never said that it's acceptable.

And that's why I think the officer should be put through the wringer, what the officer did isn't acceptable.

 

[VBR]

 

[UKMikey]

^^

Kyle seems to have no shortage of YouTube lawyers willing to step up and plead his case.

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Why do you want to know, good ol' doxing?

Why should he remain anonymous? If the positions were reversed and someone shot a cop they'd release his name as soon as he was arrested, not wait until after the trial. Thanks for the ridiculous accusation though.

 

[Tornado]

Officers in the Breonna Taylor case have pretty much completely skated charges. I suspect Louisville is going to go up in flames tonight.

 

[Dennisch]

Any livestreams available?