The 2020 George Floyd/BLM/Police Brutality Protests Discussion Thread

[Scaff]

I'm not lying about him getting off.Clearly he got off and should have got off. I also hope he sues the city, county and State.

So he wasn't found guilty of a felony weapons charge that carries 3 to 15 years in Florida?

Again you putting words into people's comments.

No, I quoted you directly. You said he got off, he didn't.

Enough of you assuming what you think people are thinking Scaff. Your opinion is your opinion,you don't speak or type for me. I'd really appreciate if you would stop assuming what I'm thinking .

I'm not, I'm quoting you.

You claimed he got off, if you define being found guilty of a federal weapons charge that carries 3 to 15 with it as 'getting off', well then you have an odd idea of what 'getting off' entails.

I actually read the articles Scaff. Perhaps you thought this clown was out on bail had to do with the Florida case. Again your assumption was wrong. So I spaced it our for you.That was for the murderer in Wisconsin that mowed down 60 people.Perhaps the justice system needs an overhaul in the US. There is no way he should have been out on $1000 bail. That is a joke.

No I never assumed that at all (you can tell quite clearly as I didn't quote a single part relating to that). Which does make your assumption (while attempting to pass off direct quotes as assumptions) rather ironic

 

[killerjimbag]

So he wasn't found guilty of a felony weapons charge that carries 3 to 15 years in Florida?


No, I quoted you directly. You said he got off, he didn't.



I'm not, I'm quoting you.

You claimed he got off, if you define being found guilty of a federal weapons charge that carries 3 to 15 with it as 'getting off', well then you have an odd idea of what 'getting off' entails.




No I never assumed that at all (you can tell quite clearly as I didn't quote a single part relating to that). Which does make your assumption (while attempting to pass off direct quotes as assumptions) rather ironic

What part of a Convicted Felon cannot carry or own weapons don't you or him understand? That's on him.
I know a little about that. It applies in Ontario too. That's why I don't own or possess weapons.

 

[Scaff]

What part of a Convicted Felon cannot carry or own weapons don't you or him understand? That's on him.
I know a little about that. It applies in Ontario too. That's why I don't own or possess weapons.

I've not questioned that at all, nor does that in any way change the fact that he didn't 'get off' as a result. I'm not even sure why you are questioning me about it, I'm not the one who said he 'got off', that was you!

Look it's really quite simple, you said he 'got off' which strongly infers he was found not guilty and is free to go. Factually that claim is not true, he was found not guilty of the shooting-related charges, but guilty of the felony weapons possession charge. As such he did not 'get off'.

 

[Joey D]

And I cannot be the only person interpreting this post the same way.

Nah, I think most of us are picking up on what's being laid down.

 

[killerjimbag]

I've not questioned that at all, nor does that in any way change the fact that he didn't 'get off' as a result. I'm not even sure why you are questioning me about it, I'm not the one who said he 'got off', that was you!

Look it's really quite simple, you said he 'got off' which strongly infers he was found not guilty and is free to go. Factually that claim is not true, he was found not guilty of the shooting-related charges, but guilty of the felony weapons possession charge. As such he did not 'get off'.

Right. Doing 3 to 15 isn't getting off,I stand corrected. Getting 45,000 volts through you,yeah I get your point.

 

[Scaff]

Right. Doing 3 to 15 isn't getting off,I stand corrected. Getting 45,000 volts through you,yeah I get your point.

Worst case scenario he gets 30 years, best case he gets time served and still has spent four years inside and has a dead girlfriend. In no scenario does he 'get off'.

Getting off is putting ten rounds into a innocent person and being exonerated in four months without spending a day inside.

 

[McLaren]

Interesting. That's going to make it harder for people who want to use him as a symbol. The worst thing a poster child can have is a nuanced opinion.

There's been a few displays of comments already turning on him for saying that.

I think the kid should consider himself lucky, and disappear for a while. He's still young, he still has a lot of life to live out & time for these events to slowly fade out a bit. He probably feels doing this Tucker interview (& any other future ones) is his way of repairing his name and offering more of his side of the story, that he's not a villain. I think the youngster in him is where he finds internal conflict in what he did, and wants to promote that his original claims of wanting to help were pure, hence the "I support BLM" which may be genuine.

The issue is folks like Tucker or Madison Cawthorn offering political internship, only want this kid in their circle to groom him into accepting his actions & forget having remorse so he can be another figurehead, and that sort of statement isn't going to play well with their base. If he wants people to show some sympathy towards him & promote a more neutral tone, figures like Tucker, Madison, or even DeSantis (since Kyle was spotted in Florida) are not the way to go. There are better outlets out there that can give him a platform to "make amends" with the public.

Wow.

A comment dripping in sarcasm, strong implication from this that only blacks reoffend. Instead of questioning why the justice system or prison service released him, you jump straight to "Look what happens when black people are released from prison".

And I cannot be the only person interpreting this post the same way.

It's very Steven Crowder-esque.

 

[Blitz24]

There's been a few displays of comments already turning on him for saying that.

I think the kid should consider himself lucky, and disappear for a while. He's still young, he still has a lot of life to live out & time for these events to slowly fade out a bit. He probably feels doing this Tucker interview (& any other future ones) is his way of repairing his name and offering more of his side of the story, that he's not a villain. I think the youngster in him is where he finds internal conflict in what he did, and wants to promote that his original claims of wanting to help were pure, hence the "I support BLM" which may be genuine.

The issue is folks like Tucker or Madison Cawthorn offering political internship, only want this kid in their circle to groom him into accepting his actions & forget having remorse so he can be another figurehead, and that sort of statement isn't going to play well with their base. If he wants people to show some sympathy towards him & promote a more neutral tone, figures like Tucker, Madison, or even DeSantis (since Kyle was spotted in Florida) are not the way to go. There are better outlets out there that can give him a platform to "make amends" with the public.

It's very Steven Crowder-esque.

If he were to turn down Gaetz and Cawthorn's offers, it would show a lot of maturity.

 

[McLaren]

If he were to turn down Gaetz and Cawthorn's offers, it would show a lot of maturity.

It would show he's serious. I hate to be pulling from the Daily Mail, but it seems to be taking his words from the Tucker interview. In 2 articles, they say he told Tucker, "But how polarized it became is absolutely sickening, like, right or left, people using me for a cause that should never have been used as a cause." He's also seeking a, "quiet, stress-free life".

Interestingly enough, he's also responded back to infamous Maga-supporter, Wood:

'Lin Wood was raising money on my behalf, and he held me in jail for 87 days, disrespecting my wishes, put me on media interviews which I should never have done, which he said, 'Oh, you're going to go talk to The Washington Post,' which was not a good idea, along with John Pierce.'

I lost a lot of weight in there. But 87 days of not being with my family for defending myself and being taken advantage of, being used for a cause by these–by John Pierce and Lin Wood… trying to raise money so they can take it for their own benefit, not trying to set me free.

I have read Kyle has future law suits still pending for other things, so if he's absolutely being honest, he should definitely fade into obscurity once everything is done.

 

[killerjimbag]

Worst case scenario he gets 30 years, best case he gets time served and still has spent four years inside and has a dead girlfriend. In no scenario does he 'get off'.

Getting off is putting ten rounds into a innocent person and being exonerated in four months without spending a day inside.

I guess BLM should have bailed him out. Or you or whomever thought he was not guilty! Pitty you didn't pony up and post his bail. He wouldn't have spent 4 years in jail.
10 shots? I'm assuming your talking about Rittenhouse. Someone raised his bail. Somebody thought he was not guilty and raised his bail.You need a My Pillow. Or watch a Ricky Schroeder movie. He spent time in jail,fact check true.

Kyle Rittenhouse spent 87 days in jail without a shower

Kyle Rittenhouse has opened up about his time in jail before his trial.

www.news.com.au

Take it from a former fellon. I can't own or possess weapons. You know, guns. I screwed up,but I sure as hell can't legally purchase a weapon. If I get caught with one,I’m illegally in possession of an illegal fire arm as a convicted felon. Do you understand it now.Therefor I'm a felon in possession of an illegal firearm. I'm no dummy,others might think I am. But I'm going to jail for a long time. Unless I'm a gangbanger. See Chicago,Toronto,etc. You know $1000 bail and then kill someone or run over 50 people. Sorry different murder.Well it seems to me,his father was wanted on an arrest warrant,the cops did what they did,he then,a convicted felon used a illegal weapon to defend himself, which he was acquitted for. So yes if You or BLM would have raised his bail he wouldn't have been in jail for 4 years.Unfortunately people die when people start shooting guns off.Am I missing something. Yes I hope he gets time served. Pitty BLM and others never posted his bail. Shame on them.

 

[McLaren]

Someone raised his bail. Somebody thought he was not guilty and raised his bail.You need a My Pillow. Or watch a Ricky Schroeder movie. He spent time in jail,fact check true.

Those very people never actually cared about him, either.

 

[killerjimbag]

I guess BLM should have bailed him out. Or you or whomever thought he was not guilty! Pitty you didn't pony up and post his bail. He wouldn't have spent 4 years in jail.
10 shots? I'm assuming your talking about Rittenhouse. Someone raised his bail. Somebody thought he was not guilty and raised his bail.You need a My Pillow. Or watch a Ricky Schroeder movie. He spent time in jail,fact check true.

Kyle Rittenhouse spent 87 days in jail without a shower

Kyle Rittenhouse has opened up about his time in jail before his trial.

www.news.com.au

Take it from a former fellon. You have no idea what getting off a charge is. Shhh.I can't own or possess weapons. You know, guns. I screwed up,but I sure as hell can't legally purchase a weapon. If I get caught with one,I’m illegally in possession of an illegal fire arm as a convicted felon. Do you understand it now.Therefor I'm a felon in possession of an illegal firearm. I'm no dummy,others might think I am. But I'm going to jail for a long time. Unless I'm a gangbanger. See Chicago,Toronto,etc. You know $1000 bail and then kill someone or run over 50 people. Sorry different murder.Well it seems to me,his father was wanted on an arrest warrant,the cops did what they did,he then,a convicted felon used a illegal weapon to defend himself, which he was acquitted for. So yes if You or BLM would have raised his bail he wouldn't have been in jail for 4 years.Unfortunately people die when people start shooting guns off.Am I missing something. Yes I hope he gets time served. Pitty BLM and others never posted his bail. Shame on them.

 

[killerjimbag]

Those very people never actually cared about him, either. Your link doesn't show who Kyle specifically said is the reason he spent 87 days in jail....

They actually didn’t care about him. Like you would know that. 😏 No his former jackass lawyers screwed him. Jesus do any of you actually have google? This place is starting to get like Twitter.

 

[McLaren]

No his former jackass lawyers. Jesus do any of you actually have google?

You're so triggered right now, you quoted yourself and posted it, then made this post with no grammatical sense.

His former lawyers did raise money for his bail. That's the exact reason Lin Wood is suing over the $2M, and why Kyle said he would've been bailed out sooner except Lin said he should stay in jail.

Wood and Pierce argued at the time that Rittenhouse was “safer” in jail. “Along with John Pierce, they said I was safer in jail, instead of at home with my family,” Rittenhouse said.

Wood and Pierce helped the teen raise $2 million, which was used to post his bail. After Rittenhouse’s acquittal, his current attorneys filed a request for the bail money to be sent to Rittenhouse. However, another attorney — Xavier Solis — filed a request asking the bail money go back to the #FightBack Foundation.

Kyle Rittenhouse Blasts His Former Attorneys, Including Trump Lawyer Lin Wood, in Tucker Carlson Interview

Kyle Rittenhouse in an interview with Fox News' Tucker Carlson said that John Pierce Trump attorney Lin Wood took "advantage" of him.

www.rollingstone.com

 

[killerjimbag]

You're so triggered right now, you quoted yourself and posted it, then made this post with no grammatical sense.

His former lawyers did raise money for his bail. That's the exact reason Lin Wood is suing over the $2M, and why Kyle said he would've been bailed out sooner except Lin said he should stay in jail.

Kyle Rittenhouse Blasts His Former Attorneys, Including Trump Lawyer Lin Wood, in Tucker Carlson Interview

Kyle Rittenhouse in an interview with Fox News' Tucker Carlson said that John Pierce Trump attorney Lin Wood took "advantage" of him.

www.rollingstone.com

Yeah I'm triggered. Somehow I double posted while editting a post. My bad. I guess the post I made of the 2 jackass lawyers must have been? Again use Google and figure it out.

 

[Joey D]

This place is starting to get like Twitter.

Yes, but not for the reasons you seem to think.

 

[McLaren]

Yeah I'm triggered. Somehow I double posted while editting a post. My bad. I guess the post I made of the 2 jackass lawyers must have been? Again use Google and figure it out.

LOL, my post literally displaying the source.

The point you missed is this:

Someone raised his bail. Somebody thought he was not guilty and raised his bail.You need a My Pillow. Or watch a Ricky Schroeder movie. He spent time in jail,fact check true.

Didn't mean a thing because people who thought he was not guilty didn't care about him to begin with. They raised his bail amount and told him to stay in jail, anyways.

Which seems to lend support to Scaff's point about not spending any time in jail. Yeah, he spent 87 days in, but Kyle's own words said he would've spent even less had he ignored Lin.

 

[Scaff]

I guess BLM should have bailed him out. Or you or whomever thought he was not guilty! Pitty you didn't pony up and post his bail. He wouldn't have spent 4 years in jail.

I should time travel and bail out people I've only just heard of?

Grasping, it's what your doing now.

10 shots? I'm assuming your talking about Rittenhouse. Someone raised his bail. Somebody thought he was not guilty and raised his bail.You need a My Pillow. Or watch a Ricky Schroeder movie. He spent time in jail,fact check true.

Kyle Rittenhouse spent 87 days in jail without a shower

Kyle Rittenhouse has opened up about his time in jail before his trial.

www.news.com.au

No, I'm not talking about Rittenhouse at all, quite how you got to that is beyond me.

"When the gunfire ended, Coffee's girlfriend, 21-year-old Alteria Woods, was found dead. She had been caught in the crossfire, shot 10 times by deputies."

From your source!

Take it from a former fellon. I can't own or possess weapons. You know, guns. I screwed up,but I sure as hell can't legally purchase a weapon. If I get caught with one,I’m illegally in possession of an illegal fire arm as a convicted felon. Do you understand it now.Therefor I'm a felon in possession of an illegal firearm. I'm no dummy,others might think I am. But I'm going to jail for a long time. Unless I'm a gangbanger. See Chicago,Toronto,etc. You know $1000 bail and then kill someone or run over 50 people. Sorry different murder.Well it seems to me,his father was wanted on an arrest warrant,the cops did what they did,he then,a convicted felon used a illegal weapon to defend himself, which he was acquitted for. So yes if You or BLM would have raised his bail he wouldn't have been in jail for 4 years.Unfortunately people die when people start shooting guns off.Am I missing something. Yes I hope he gets time served. Pitty BLM and others never posted his bail. Shame on them.

Once again for the cheap seats, I've known this all along.

I wasn't the one claiming he 'got off', that's was you.

So quit with the strawman.

 

[killerjimbag]

I should time travel and bail out people I've only just heard of?

Grasping, it's what your doing now.


No, I'm not talking about Rittenhouse at all, quite how you got to that is beyond me.

"When the gunfire ended, Coffee's girlfriend, 21-year-old Alteria Woods, was found dead. She had been caught in the crossfire, shot 10 times by deputies."

From your source!


Once again for the cheap seats, I've known this all along.

I wasn't the one claiming he 'got off', that's was you.

So quit with the strawman.

I'm sure BLM didn't just hear about this now. Please. Well that's what happens when people start shooting guns.

 

[Scaff]

I'm sure BLM didn't just hear about this now.

You would need to ask them, rather than using bad-faith and strawmen arguments.

 

[Blitz24]

It would show he's serious. I hate to be pulling from the Daily Mail, but it seems to be taking his words from the Tucker interview. In 2 articles, they say he told Tucker, "But how polarized it became is absolutely sickening, like, right or left, people using me for a cause that should never have been used as a cause." He's also seeking a, "quiet, stress-free life".

Interestingly enough, he's also responded back to infamous Maga-supporter, Wood:


I have read Kyle has future law suits still pending for other things, so if he's absolutely being honest, he should definitely fade into obscurity once everything is done.

This sadly MIGHT NOT show he's serious.

 

[Scaff]

Good

Ahmaud Arbery verdict: all three white men found guilty of murdering Black man as he jogged – as it happened

Father and son Greg and Travis McMichael and William ‘Roddie’ Bryan, all white, pursued 25-year-old Black man in Georgia neighborhood

www.theguardian.com

 

[Blitz24]

Good

Ahmaud Arbery verdict: all three white men found guilty of murdering Black man as he jogged – as it happened

Father and son Greg and Travis McMichael and William ‘Roddie’ Bryan, all white, pursued 25-year-old Black man in Georgia neighborhood

www.theguardian.com

Unlike the Rittenhouse case, this one looked worse and worse for the defense, especially after the last defense lawyer said Arbery deserved to be stopped and interrogated due to "poor dress" and "dirty toe nails".

 

[Scaff]

Unlike the Rittenhouse case, this one looked worse and worse for the defense, especially after the last defense lawyer said Arbery deserved to be stopped and interrogated due to "poor dress" and "dirty toe nails".

Yep, being pretty much openly racist didn't help them either

 

[Blitz24]

Yep, being pretty much openly racist didn't help them either

And I just realized this. The guy filming the entire shooting essentially incriminated himself. Just like the Floyd case, a recorded video provided evidence. Unfortunately for William Bryan, he exposed everyone to how racist they are and got all of them convicted.

 

[killerjimbag]

You would need to ask them, rather than using bad-faith

So your telling me CNN,NBC,ABC,FOX and every newspaper outlet didn't know about this?
Nobody reported about this? Please.

 

[Scaff]

So your telling me CNN,NBC,ABC,FOX and every newspaper outlet didn't know about this?
Nobody reported about this? Please.

Quote me saying so or drop the idiotic strawman arguments.

 

[UKMikey]

Unlike the Rittenhouse case, this one looked worse and worse for the defense, especially after the last defense lawyer said Arbery deserved to be stopped and interrogated due to "poor dress" and "dirty toe nails".

Or Kevin Gough saying they needed more Bubbas and Joe Sixpacks on the jury and fewer black pastors, then accusing protestors outside the courthouse of holding a "public lynching" of the white defendants when some started to wear "black pastors matter" t-shirts. 💩 Seemed like he was more interested in pushing people's buttons than ensuring any kind of fair trial.

 

[Scaff]

Or Kevin Gough saying they needed more Bubbas and Joe Sixpacks on the jury and fewer black pastors, then accusing protestors outside the courthouse of holding a "public lynching" of the white defendants when some started to wear "black pastors matter" t-shirts. 💩 Seemed like he was more interested in pushing people's buttons than ensuring any kind of fair trial.

Trying to claim it was biased to get a miss-trial, odd way to go about it, but given how much evidence his clients provided that incriminated themselves it was the only real option they had (well aside from saying 'yes we are racists *****' and pleading guilty).

 

[DK]

Or Kevin Gough saying they needed more Bubbas and Joe Sixpacks on the jury and fewer black pastors, then accusing protestors outside the courthouse of holding a "public lynching" of the white defendants when some started to wear "black pastors matter" t-shirts. 💩 Seemed like he was more interested in pushing people's buttons than ensuring any kind of fair trial.

It reminds me of these charming gentlemen's actions on the stand in their own trial.