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[Jimlaad43]

Di Resta was more of a moaner than an Arrogant Dick

 

[TRGTspecialist]

The weird thing about Di Resta is when he became a pundit for Sky, from the get go he was very positive and upbeat, and actually came across as a really pleasant person. So I have no idea why he was such a miserable eejit as a driver! Hopefully this reserve role doesn't make him revert back.......

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Meanwhile, Renault have signed Nicholas Latifi as a reserve driver. They are developing a programme so that he can get his superlicence, and he will take part in at least one FP1 session this year as they prepare him for a future in Formula One. It's curious that they're already shying away from Esteban Ocon, even moreso when Frederic Vasseur is running the team; he had an eye for talent when he was calling the shots at ART Grand Prix. And since it's the Renault works twam, I can't imagine that they're already strapped for cash.

Di Resta was more of a moaner than an Arrogant Dick

At the end he was pretty horrible, openly shopping around for a bigger and better team than Force India. I remember him explaining away his poor performance in Austin by paying himself a massive compliment; he couldn't get heat into the tyres because he had such a smooth driving style. Meanwhile, he's busy bashing the team on an open radio during practice. Apparently he never got along with the mechanics or engineers.

 

[Jimlaad43]

Meanwhile, Renault have signed Nicholas Latifi as a reserve driver. They are developing a programme so that he can get his superlicence, and he will take part in at least one FP1 session this year as they prepare him for a future in Formula One. It's curious that they're already shying away from Esteban Ocon, even moreso when Frederic Vasseur is running the team; he had an eye for talent when he was calling the shots at ART Grand Prix. And since it's the Renault works twam, I can't imagine that they're already strapped for cash.


At the end he was pretty horrible, openly shopping around for a bigger and better team than Force India. I remember him explaining away his poor performance in Austin by paying himself a massive compliment; he couldn't get heat into the tyres because he had such a smooth driving style. Meanwhile, he's busy bashing the team on an open radio during practice. Apparently he never got along with the mechanics or engineers.

His worst moment was when he bottled it and just crashed out of a good result at the end of Singapore. Rather than admitting it, his excuse was that "the car did something in the wake of another car it had never done before". Yeah right...

 

[Sureboss]

An interesting look at the rookies this year.

 

[Tired Tyres]

The weird thing about Di Resta is when he became a pundit for Sky, from the get go he was very positive and upbeat, and actually came across as a really pleasant person. So I have no idea why he was such a miserable eejit as a driver! Hopefully this reserve role doesn't make him revert back.......

Probably because Force india kept using interesting strategy calls like not doing Q3 to save a set of tyres for the race and then not using them in the race.... Both drivers suffered from that though and only one of them moaned about it...

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Meanwhile, Alan Jones is already set for the 2017 silly season, calling on Ferrari to drop Räikkönen in favour of Ricciardo.

 

[Tired Tyres]

I'm guessing that Vettel will have a veto on that.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I'm guessing that Vettel will have a veto on that.

I think Vettel's dislike of Ricciardo was exaggerated by the media looking for another round of Vettel-vs.-Webber. If there was any discontent on Vettel's part, it was probably because he stayed with Res Bull a little too long.

 

[RX-7_FD3S]

I think Vettel's dislike of Ricciardo was exaggerated by the media looking for another round of Vettel-vs.-Webber. If there was any discontent on Vettel's part, it was probably because he stayed with Res Bull a little too long.

I dont think it was exagerated, just put yourself in Vettel shoes, you're 4 times world champions and a rookie is coming from your junior team and kick your ass more time than you were expecting.

It personnaly would annoy me, even more since rumour were saying that you werent that good of a driver. And he's also very cool from the outside and takes lots of people that were only at you before he came. There's definitely a reason to hate that guy, maybe not hate him but dislike him and obviously having him as a teammate again is a big no.

 

[mustafur]

The only time Ferrari have shown to give equal treatment was in the Massa/kimi era, so I'm still unsure if they will go that way, but it sure as hell would be interesting to watch.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Ricciardo is under contract to drive for Red Bull in 2017, so Jones' comments amount to his usual bluster and blather:

http://www.speedcafe.com/2016/03/19/ricciardo-2/

That said, Ferrari seems to be giving Räikkönen the Massa treatment - rolling one-year extensions until something better comes along. Even if he has a good season, I can't imagine that they will keep him around in 2017.

 

[CinnamonOD]

One part of me wants Raikkonen to stay, he proved that he can give a fight, but on the other side, there's Verstappen...

Not to mention I'd still like to see Perez/Grosjean/Hulkenberg getting a top seat, not specifically at Ferrari though.

 

[GTPorsche]

If Raikkonen doesn't do much this year, he should just back out of F1. This isn't the same Raikkonen from 2008 and before.

 

[IforceV8]

I guess this goes here since it is about driver. http://motorsports.nbcsports.com/20...rivers-association-slams-f1s-decision-makers/

 

[Peter.]

The better question is how many of them have a bulletproof self belief and can back it up with on track performance? Sutil, Palmer and di Resta sure can't.

Bit harsh there on Sutil. There have definitely been worse drivers in the sport than him in the past few years, including di Resta who you couldn't go a week without hearing about that one time he beat Vetted in F3.

Sutils career would probably have turned out very differently if he didn't glass Eric Lux. From then on it was only going downhill.

 

[GTPorsche]

 

[Brutaka]

Yet he won't admit that he himself is also a part of the problem.

 

[GTPorsche]

I just find it interesting that he's taking the side of the drivers over their complaints about series leadership.. as if he's not part of the series leadership...

 

[Dennisch]

I wonder how long it will take before Bernie decides that his flesh body is no longer up to the task and he will go full Cyborg on the world.

 

[Brutaka]

I wonder how long it will take before Bernie decides that his flesh body is no longer up to the task and he will go full Cyborg on the world.

Terror of Mecha-Bernie.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I wonder how long it will take before Bernie decides that his flesh body is no longer up to the task and he will go full Cyborg on the world.

He's 192 years old already, I think.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

James Allen tips Verstappen for a 2017 Red Bull seat, despite overtures towards Ferrari:

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2016/...errari-but-red-bull-future-looks-more-likely/

Mercedes appear to have passed on him, as they're currently spoiled for choice between Wehrlein and Ocon - and promoting him would mean releasing Rosberg or Hamilton, and they don't seem to be ready to do that just yet; at least with Wehrlein and Ocon, they can justify keeping them in a Manor or a Force India for a year or two.

Allen also suggests that Fiat are quite serious about getting Alfa Romeo back into Formula One, though he suggests that they have shifted their attention from Toro Rosso to Sauber.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Bit harsh there on Sutil. There have definitely been worse drivers in the sport than him in the past few years, including di Resta who you couldn't go a week without hearing about that one time he beat Vetted in F3.

Sutils career would probably have turned out very differently if he didn't glass Eric Lux. From then on it was only going downhill.

How so, he was a journeyman driver, and would always be such. Long gone are the days where such drivers can one day expect to have luck fall on their lap like some Riccardo Patrese. He wasn't ever going any higher than mid field.

 

[Peter.]

How so, he was a journeyman driver, and would always be such. Long gone are the days where such drivers can one day expect to have luck fall on their lap like some Riccardo Patrese. He wasn't ever going any higher than mid field.

At the time, he was a solid, consistent driver with reasonable pace, every bit of Hulkenberg that he is now, with much less fuss over forcing himself into a better seat. If I remember correctly he was in serious contention for the Lotus seat, but glassing your potential boss doesn't really work these days. There was Ferrari talk too on the gounds that Massa had a pretty terrible season for them and was lucky to com back in 2012.

He was never quite special but he would have made a good second driver at Ferrari who probably wanted someone better than Massa but still worse than Alonso, or at Lotus who probably would have preferred a consistent, experienced driver over Grosjean. The glassing incident even made him lose his FI seat despite beating England's next world champion di Resta.

 

[TenEightyOne]

The glassing incident even made him lose his FI seat...

It didn't, he drove for them for all of the 2011 season (the incident happened in April 2011), sat out 2012, returned to FI for 2013.

...England's next world champion di Resta.

Umm, not English

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

At the time, he was a solid, consistent driver with reasonable pace, every bit of Hulkenberg that he is now, with much less fuss over forcing himself into a better seat. If I remember correctly he was in serious contention for the Lotus seat, but glassing your potential boss doesn't really work these days. There was Ferrari talk too on the gounds that Massa had a pretty terrible season for them and was lucky to com back in 2012.

Eh no, he wasn't and on the level of Hulkenberg...I don't even. Simple break downs, PdR and Gutierrez were both easily beat by Hulkenberg. More so the rookie Esteban. However, the key here is Adrian didn't easily beat these drivers. PdR lost to him in his rookie year but beat him on his return back to F1 so there is a bit of give and take on the argument side to that. However, Adrian a seasoned driver only matched Esteban when both drove for Sauber.

He was never quite special but he would have made a good second driver at Ferrari who probably wanted someone better than Massa but still worse than Alonso, or at Lotus who probably would have preferred a consistent, experienced driver over Grosjean. The glassing incident even made him lose his FI seat despite beating England's next world champion di Resta.

He would have made about as good of a second driver as Fischella during the fill in of 2009. Sutil isn't even Massa good, he's decent on a good day and mediocre most other days. Grosjean even during his worst times was better than Sutil as well, also he didn't lose his seat because he glassed someone. He lost it cause he had to actually be in a Shanghai and then Munich court over various periods of that year thus not being a critical part of the F1 circus like a driver needs to be during a race season.

 

[Peter.]

Eh no, he wasn't and on the level of Hulkenberg...I don't even. Simple break downs, PdR and Gutierrez were both easily beat by Hulkenberg. More so the rookie Esteban. However, the key here is Adrian didn't easily beat these drivers. PdR lost to him in his rookie year but beat him on his return back to F1 so there is a bit of give and take on the argument side to that. However, Adrian a seasoned driver only matched Esteban when both drove for Sauber.

I think he had bigger issues affecting his pacd in 2014 than most other drivers, what with him being pressured to lose weight to minimize the competitive disadvantage of his height in a time where weight became even more crucial. It didn't help either that the Sauber was already considerably overweight that year.

He would have made about as good of a second driver as Fischella during the fill in of 2009. Sutil isn't even Massa good, he's decent on a good day and mediocre most other days. Grosjean even during his worst times was better than Sutil as well, also he didn't lose his seat because he glassed someone. He lost it cause he had to actually be in a Shanghai and then Munich court over various periods of that year thus not being a critical part of the F1 circus like a driver needs to be during a race season.

I disagree that he would have been on the level of a past it driver switching mid season to a car he knew nothing about with no mid season testing. That's very harsh. Also harsh to put him below 2011 Massa who had one of the worst individual performances for a Ferrari driver in ages. Also Grosjean didn't even do anything impressive in an F1 car until 2012 in a pretty good Lotus car, which he would either be quick in or very dangerous, as we saw for ourselves in Belgium where he almost killed Alonso.

 

[mustafur]

Even in that year when he was dangerous he still got multiple podiums, all of which Sutil never got at any stage.
Sutil had his chance, and when he got out of F1 it was proven all his potential was fizzled out.

I would give Kobayashi more of a rap then Sutil tbh, his career was basically ruined by not having money at the right time, His 2012 season was truly impressive and he completely outperformed Perez in the 2nd half of the season, however getting the Caterham drive wasn't going to save his career no matter what he did.

 

[RazorSharkz]

Even in that year when he was dangerous he still got multiple podiums, all of which Sutil never got at any stage.
Sutil had his chance, and when he got out of F1 it was proven all his potential was fizzled out.

I would give Kobayashi more of a rap then Sutil tbh, his career was basically ruined by not having money at the right time, His 2012 season was truly impressive and he completely outperformed Perez in the 2nd half of the season, however getting the Caterham drive wasn't going to save his career no matter what he did.

Anytime I watch Valencia 2010 where he passed Alonso and Sebastian Buemi on the last lap after staying out until the final lap on one set of tires. I was really surprised no one picked him up after that.