The GTP Rolex Sports Car Series S4! Polar And Mustard Champs!

[cnd01]

This weekend at Le Mans-

18 laps

25% weather, 8 Changeability

We may have a modified start procedure, pace car until start of musallane (sorry for spelling) with both classes together.

Nothing set in stone, just some points to discuss.

Mulsanne?

 

[anirishnirvana]

EDIT: I disagree with the lack of laps on Nurburgring GP/D. It is the DTM one that one is short.

It's still longer than SSR5. Only the American tracks are meant to be aiming for 90 mins or more (hence the NAEC championship).

 

[polarbear345]

It's still longer than SSR5. Only the American tracks are meant to be aiming for 90 mins or more (hence the NAEC championship).

This is correct

Anyone have times at Le Mans for both GT and DP?

 

[quade420]

Just GT for me, running 4:13-4:15's pretty consistently. Best was like a 4:12.9

 

[R0ssingt0n]

Ill get a few laps in tomorrow and let you lot know how i get on. 👍

 

[Com Fox]

I think you made the cars too fast.
On the 2013 24 hours of Daytona the highest time for DP was 1:40 and the GT was 1:47.
Unless if we are now too good.

 

[Com Fox]

It's still longer than SSR5. Only the American tracks are meant to be aiming for 90 mins or more (hence the NAEC championship).

I thought the first race was meant to be 2 hours.

 

[I Am Yellow]

I thought the first race was meant to be 2 hours.

That's why he said "or more".

 

[quade420]

I think you made the cars too fast.
On the 2013 24 hours of Daytona the highest time for DP was 1:40 and the GT was 1:47.
Unless if we are now too good.

I think they got it pretty close.

 

[cnd01]

I think you made the cars too fast.
On the 2013 24 hours of Daytona the highest time for DP was 1:40 and the GT was 1:47.
Unless if we are now too good.

We've been too fast at Daytona every season actually The chicane on the back stretch isn't as tight as the one used irl. Trust me, I've watched the Rolex 24 from the back stretch grandstands to know. The real drivers crash almost as much as we do there

 

[polarbear345]

I think you made the cars too fast.
On the 2013 24 hours of Daytona the highest time for DP was 1:40 and the GT was 1:47.
Unless if we are now too good.

Thing is, if the cars made the real times (I've made them do that) the feel quite sluggish.

Believe me, it's more fun this way!

 

[Com Fox]

Ok.
Anyway I've decided to do a race report for this pre-season race.

 

[anirishnirvana]

I think you made the cars too fast.
On the 2013 24 hours of Daytona the highest time for DP was 1:40 and the GT was 1:47.
Unless if we are now too good.

Well, DP maybe (they expect 1:37/1:38 pole I think). Last I checked GT expects 1:48/1:49 pole. Maybe without fuel. I personally think DP have too much bhp. If it gets cut down enough, they will corner so much better that the time difference would be negligible, except at Daytona with the ridiculously amount of straight time.

Basically, we needed to make sure GT weren't close on the straights to DP; the trade of is GT corners better, mainly noticeable at Indy's double hairpin.

Monaco is our main hope for breaking into DP fights, and wet races. It was an aim for me towards the back end of the last season

 

[freshseth83]

I feel the same way. The DP's are too fast. I think 560hp is plenty enough and they do ~1:40 at Daytona. They're a little more manageable out of the really tight turns as well. It doesn't matter to me either way. I'll be cooking the rear tires with my DS3.

 

[cnd01]

We were doing 1.37s last year with 100 less horsepower and nobody complained then. We were even quicker the year before that on soft tires. It's not the car; it's the track that is making the lap differences. Isn't 560 horsepower the uscc spec Seth? We don't want to copy.

 

[anirishnirvana]

We were doing 1.37s last year with 100 less horsepower and nobody complained then. We were even quicker the year before that on soft tires. It's not the car; it's the track that is making the lap differences. Isn't 560 horsepower the uscc spec Seth? We don't want to copy.

Season 2: Got gastric flu during preseason.
Season 3: Computer issues during preseason, so I didn't bother with preseason.

As for now, it's only something to consider for next season, as it's too little too late I feel.

 

[R0ssingt0n]

I say keep the specs how they are, If you make DP to slow passing GT will be a nightmare.

 

[cnd01]

I say keep the specs how they are, If you make DP to slow passing GT will be a nightmare.

Which is kinda the case in season 2 and 3. I would've liked it to stay at 611, but 601 is ok. No reason to drop the power anymore which would cause a GT passing nightmare.

 

[unrealanthony]

I keep thinking the difference between GT and DP class is too big, we did 2 races, one with 611hp and other with 601hp and was practically the same...; make gt class faster is to difficult, actually seems the cars are very very close between each other, so we shouldn't change nothing in GT class, maybe we will try deduct 20hp to DP class....one more time, the difference between clases is not on the corner, is on the straight. I don't think the difference between cars, in the real life, be too much!

* I love fast cars, but, we have to do something with this difference!!

 

[cnd01]

I keep thinking the difference between GT and DP class is too big, we did 2 races, one with 611hp and other with 601hp and was practically the same...; make gt class faster is to difficult, actually seems the cars are very very close between each other, so we shouldn't change nothing in GT class, maybe we will try deduct 20hp to DP class....one more time, the difference between clases is not on the corner, is on the straight. I don't think the difference between cars, in the real life, be too much!

* I love fast cars, but, we have to do something with this difference!!

Let's for sure wait until after the Le Mans preseason race to cut anything. I love fast cars. Is it close to possible now that we're back to the old PP system for Storm and damu to give GT more power/less weight?

 

[Com Fox]

PP doesn't do anything don't change anything just because of PP.

 

[cnd01]

PP doesn't do anything don't change anything just because of PP.

What I'm trying to say is that it could be possible to give GT a boost to make it faster rather than slowing DP down.

 

[Com Fox]

PP don't make cars go faster, it is only to (wrongly) judge cars for PP races.

 

[cnd01]

PP don't make cars go faster, it is only to (wrongly) judge cars for PP races.

I agree there. It's not all to do with PP, but I know that we were used to the old system which might make the cars easier to balance now while making them all equally faster.

 

[Com Fox]

Don't think giving GT boost is a good idea.

 

[Storm_SP17]

If you're on about overall in GT, I honestly don't know. The cars are between 536 and 546 PP, Things are pretty close right now, I mean, three separate cars could've won on the final lap in GT last week, which doesn't really happen often. I don't really want to say it, but I didn't expect it to be as difficult as that. If it's going to be like that every week, I don't really feel like changing GT is good for competition there.

As a reference to the Ferrari, which I am seriously aware is El Rapido, a 410 bhp / 1340 kg should be considerably quicker than a 4:11.2 at Le Mans. I know because I hit that time using 400 bhp and 1350 kg in one. I reckon 4:10 puts you on the front row.

 

[anirishnirvana]

What I'm trying to say is that it could be possible to give GT a boost to make it faster rather than slowing DP down.

• This means having to balance boosts throughout 4 cars, as opposed to an equal loss throughout the whole field without question as there's only 1 car. This is highly impractical especially with all 4 cars being near on par (if anything for me Camaro and Audi are the fastest), and Le Mans being the last planned preseason event.
• The point which originally was raised is that our DP are too quick at Daytona (2 seconds faster at least); whereas GT is if anything slower than the real life version.

If anything, DP nerf as opposed to GT boost

 

[polarbear345]

[*]This means having to balance boosts throughout 4 cars, as opposed to an equal loss throughout the whole field without question as there's only 1 car. This is highly impractical especially with all 4 cars being near on par (if anything for me Camaro and Audi are the fastest).
[*]The point which originally was raised is that our DP are too quick at Daytona (2 seconds faster at least); whereas GT is if anything slower than the real life version.

GT will be staying the same.

 

[freshseth83]

We were doing 1.37s last year with 100 less horsepower and nobody complained then. We were even quicker the year before that on soft tires. It's not the car; it's the track that is making the lap differences. Isn't 560 horsepower the uscc spec Seth? We don't want to copy.

USCC car weighs over 100kg more. He runs soft tires too. The reason the Group C cars were so quick is because they're group C cars! Plus they weighed less and were actual race cars. The R390 we use is still a street car albeit a very fast one.

 

[anirishnirvana]

I wonder how DP would cope with 500bhp. Can you imagine the handling?