The GTP Unofficial 2020 US Elections Thread

GTPlanet Exit Poll - Which Presidential Ticket Did You Vote For?

  • Trump/Pence

    Votes: 16 27.1%

  • Biden/Harris

    Votes: 20 33.9%

  • Jorgensen/Cohen

    Votes: 7 11.9%

  • Hawkins/Walker

    Votes: 1 1.7%

  • La Riva/Freeman

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • De La Fuente/Richardson

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Blankenship/Mohr

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Carroll/Patel

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Simmons/Roze

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Charles/Wallace

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 15 25.4%
  • Total voters
    59
  • Poll closed .
I think you can't take Fox News comments too seriously. While some are surely genuine, many others are likely trolling or just over the top incendiary for the likes. Comment sections in news publications are just race-to-the-bottom cesspools of nonsense and just shouldn't exist. I live in a fairly moderate area with not much political activism - essentially the stakes around where I live never feel particularly high. And yet, the comments I see under local news stories are unbelievable. I think it goes like this: If you read a news story and have a moderate reaction (good or bad) to it, you simply accept it and move along. If you have an emotional reaction, particularly negative, you'll naturally want to express that reaction if there is an opportunity to do so. This may not be an issue in a true public forum, as these persons could see whether they are in the minority or not. With the anonymity of the internet, that doesn't work. So comment sections, I believe, are enormously skewed towards the extreme emotionally negative responses. The problem is that its a self-encouraging loop - people who are prejudiced to respond negatively will go down, see negative comments, and want to escalate the negativity - etc. You wouldn't believe the vitriol that gets tossed around in comment sections of articles about adding bike lanes in Marin county. Like murder - seriously, murder.
 
Danoff
Trump's current round of nonsense is helping. The more absurd he looks, and the more society turns away from him, the fewer of them will be able to maintain the faith. Don't get me wrong, the ones posting on the Fox website are not likely to be turned.
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It would be nice to think that's true, but I'm skeptical: 4 years of nonsense doesn't seem to have persuaded many Republicans - 71 million still voted for Trump. I had imagined the vote for Biden would be much more decisive ... I was wrong.
 
Eunos_Cosmo
You wouldn't believe the vitriol that gets tossed around in comment sections of articles about adding bike lanes in Marin county. Like murder - seriously, murder.
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Isn't the bike manufacturer actually named for it? I would have thought it a cycling community or at least cyclist friendly community based on that.
 
Eunos_Cosmo
I think you can't take Fox News comments too seriously. While some are surely genuine, many others are likely trolling or just over the top incendiary for the likes. Comment sections in news publications are just race-to-the-bottom cesspools of nonsense and just shouldn't exist. I live in a fairly moderate area with not much political activism - essentially the stakes around where I live never feel particularly high. And yet, the comments I see under local news stories are unbelievable. I think it goes like this: If you read a news story and have a moderate reaction (good or bad) to it, you simply accept it and move along. If you have an emotional reaction, particularly negative, you'll naturally want to express that reaction if there is an opportunity to do so. This may not be an issue in a true public forum, as these persons could see whether they are in the minority or not. With the anonymity of the internet, that doesn't work. So comment sections, I believe, are enormously skewed towards the extreme emotionally negative responses. The problem is that its a self-encouraging loop - people who are prejudiced to respond negatively will go down, see negative comments, and want to escalate the negativity - etc. You wouldn't believe the vitriol that gets tossed around in comment sections of articles about adding bike lanes in Marin county. Like murder - seriously, murder.
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It's hard to say. CNN did away with their public commentary a few years ago, so it's hard to know how nutty they would be. I assume Fox stuck with theirs because it's a great way to pull eye balls to their site & therefore a money-maker for them. This last election seems to have been a choice between a milquetoast Democrat & an extremist authoritarian Republican ... & at the end of the day, more people voted for the authoritarian Republican than have ever voted Republican before. It's hard to see that in a positive light. :indiff:
 
If you really want to see the utter bottom of the barrel that society produces, check out KSL. It's Utah's NBC affiliate and wholly owned by the Mormon Church. The stuff in those comments sections is about as deranged as it gets and what makes it worse is that every single comment is moderate. So when someone posts that more people should walk around spreading COVID because God and Jesus will protect them, that was actually approved by a real person who thought that was exquisite information that needed to be shared. Others on there think Trump was too liberal if you can imagine that.
 
Biggles
It would be nice to think that's true, but I'm skeptical: 4 years of nonsense doesn't seem to have persuaded many Republicans - 71 million still voted for Trump. I had imagined the vote for Biden would be much more decisive ... I was wrong.
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My take is this. At the moment, for the vast majority of Republican voters, Trump >IS< the Republican party. And every body from Mitch McConnell to Suzanne Collins knows it. And right now, it's a matter of party over country. There is a run off race to be run in Georgia. And the entire country will be watching. Because that senate race will decide majority control of the Senate and it will either clear the way for Joe Biden and the Democrats to have an open field to push through almost anything they want (within reason) or it will allow the Republicans to continue with the same obstructionist policy they've been riding on for years. In which case, Joe Biden is effectively a lame duck President. And for the moment, the Republicans are going to do whatever they can to keep a united front, under the current President in the hopes of keeping the base energized. At least in Georgia.

After that, Trump's importance declines.
 
Keef
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Edit: Which brings up another conundrum. Electoral votes are based on population, but not voting population. Currently, PA is recording 6.6 million votes, but IL only 5.4 million. They're both worth 20 electoral votes. Seems like a weird choice.
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The number of electoral votes each state gets is based on # senators plus # representatives (plus 3 for DC). The size of the House has been capped by Congress at 435 since the 1930s if memory serves me right. The Constitution doesn’t prescribe a limit in the number of representatives; it’s all set by Congress.

I think removing the 435 representative limit and giving each state at least two representatives (so, Wyoming would get two and all the other states get districts that represent about as many people as half of Wyoming’s population) would go a long way in addressing the system’s current imbalances. Obviously there are issues (such as the logistical issues in getting much more than 435 people on the House floor). But I think House expansion is something that the next Congress should consider regardless.
 
I'm surprised Twitter is still bothering to flag his tweets. He doesn't matter anymore. Dead and bloated.
 
Of course, the company that took no money from the government only made the vaccine because of Trump. Never mind that getting the vaccine is probably one of the most important things society needs right now and that the potential for making an absolute crap ton is incredibly high to boot.
 
jjaisli
My take is this. At the moment, for the vast majority of Republican voters, Trump >IS< the Republican party.
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That's the disturbing part. At this point I would have expected (hoped) that the majority of Republicans would have rejected Trumpism & the US could move on. That clearly isn't the case. Winning the Senate seats in Georgia would help ... but I'm not sure that's all that likely to happen. I could imagine Republicans being more effective at turning out the vote in Georgia for the Senate race than Democrats.
 
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x3ra
https://www.bitchute.com/video/3PUpbMyrOtjF/

Election fraud is fairly certain. It's only about the quantities. How many electronic voting machines are there?

https://www.bitchute.com/video/zV14YgV4ojDx/

The question is, do we just deny it, or find out if it's true.
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That's not evidence of fraud. As explained in the video, these numbers are a feed from a database. All this is evidence of is that the votes logged in the database changed. Why, we don't know, but "fraud" would be among the various reasons that we can't prove. Other reasons we can't prove are common and logical: things like some ballots were tabulated but later flagged for errors which is rather common. Any small error on ballots causes it to be set aside for later review. Sometimes they're actually thrown out because the errors can't be verified.

As for observers in Philly, the reason a judge stopped the count is not because Republican obvservers "weren't allowed to observe", it was because they weren't allowed to observe from the distance they wanted to observe. The count was stopped to rearrange the floor so observers could stand 6 feet from the counting tables, rather than the usual 20 feet. Obviously Republicans spun this to "we're not allowed to observe" but that's incomplete information. They were allowed to observe...from 20 feet, just like everybody else. Nobody else complained about the distance except Republicans, who wanted to observe from 6 feet. Obviously they immediately got up in arms saying that they "weren't allowed to observe" [from the distance they wanted] and a judge had to hear the argument and stop the count to rearrange the floor. Note that the judge's decision allowed all observers to now observe from 6 feet, but only one group of observers ever complained about this.

So again, this is not evidence of anything other than Republicans tend not to understand how their own system works, which says more about them than it does voter fraud. In fact, in my opinion, it suggests that if anybody were to commit voter fraud, accidentally or purposely, it would be the people who have displayed a lack of knowledge of how the system actually works. They would be the ones most likely to make mistakes.
 
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Biggles
No worries:

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That should be terrifying to anybody who cares at all about preserving American democracy. Also, I've never wanted to punch anything as badly as the smirk on his face after he said "There will be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration."
 
huskeR32
That should be terrifying to anybody who cares at all about preserving American democracy. Also, I've never wanted to punch anything as badly as the smirk on his face after he said "There will be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration."
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I take it he was:

a) being a smartass, while ...
b) still sucking up to Trump

I take the results of the election to prove that while Americans as a whole are not happy with Trump & Trumpism, enough of them remain enthusiastically Trumpist to ensure that Trump still has his foot in the door. And failure to mobilize the reasonable 52% of Americans in any upcoming election will allow Trump back in.
 
x3ra
https://www.bitchute.com/video/3PUpbMyrOtjF/

Election fraud is fairly certain. It's only about the quantities. How many electronic voting machines are there?

https://www.bitchute.com/video/zV14YgV4ojDx/

The question is, do we just deny it, or find out if it's true.
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We know it's true. I've pointed it out before:

https://www.kmov.com/news/report-ar...cle_12ee5e77-a724-5633-9c52-6bc3ae91a28b.html

(CNN/KMOV) -- Two armed Virginia men who were arrested Thursday outside the Philadelphia Convention Center were "coming to deliver a truck full of fake ballots" to the city, CNN affiliate KYWreported, citing prosecutors.

I'm sure there is more of it out there. But at this point, in the swing states, Biden is ahead by a commanding lead. And by almost 5 million votes in total (popular vote). There would have to be such an overwhelming case of voter fraud, on a scale almost unimaginable to make up for the differences we're seeing. Ballots have to be certified. Each state has their own process. There have been observers watching everything through the vote count, there have been several incidents which were brought up and addressed and corrected. But no wide scale fraud cases have been reported. Or even suspected. I think if it's down to just a few thousand votes, a recount is in order. But otherwise, it's done. It's just a formality at this point.

Biggles
That's the disturbing part. At this point I would have expected (hoped) that the majority of Republicans would have rejected Trumpism & the US could move on. That clearly isn't the case. Winning the Senate seats in Georgia would help ... but I'm not sure that's all that likely to happen. I could imagine Republicans being more effective at turning out the vote in Georgia for the Senate race than Democrats.
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I have a few friends who are hard core, traditional Republicans, at least four of whom voted for Biden, all of whom were big fans of the Lincoln Project and several of whom, like George Conaway himself, have come to the conclusion that the Republican party as we knew it, is dead and buried.



It may survive but at this point, it's become the party of Trump and Trumpism. And in many ways the defacto blue-collar, rural party. If Joe Biden, being the centrist he is, continues to reach across the aisle, we may see a lot of affiliation changes over the next two years. But I don't think it will ever go back to the party of Reagan.
 
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Joey D
Do you have a source that isn't from a far-right conspiracy website? Bit Chute isn't worth the webspace it's hosted on it.
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I think that mainstream discussion is impossible. The mainstream is propaganda, as I think you will be well aware. If you can find the information which is shown in the mainstream then I will concede.
 
jjaisli
My take is this. At the moment, for the vast majority of Republican voters, Trump >IS< the Republican party. And every body from Mitch McConnell to Suzanne Collins knows it. And right now, it's a matter of party over country. There is a run off race to be run in Georgia. And the entire country will be watching. Because that senate race will decide majority control of the Senate and it will either clear the way for Joe Biden and the Democrats to have an open field to push through almost anything they want (within reason) or it will allow the Republicans to continue with the same obstructionist policy they've been riding on for years. In which case, Joe Biden is effectively a lame duck President. And for the moment, the Republicans are going to do whatever they can to keep a united front, under the current President in the hopes of keeping the base energized. At least in Georgia.

After that, Trump's importance declines.
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I was watching Axios on HBO last night and they interviewed House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy. He was asked if he thought it was possible that Trump would run again in 2024. After tap dancing around saying this election isn't over yet and Trump still has a chance, yadda yadda, he basically said he believes Trump will run again in 2024. Which is what I've been saying from the beginning. Forget little Donnie Jr. or anyone else, as long as Trump is alive and breathing in 2024, he's running again. If Biden is sworn in on January 20th I can guarantee you will start seeing Trump 2024 flags.

McCarthy was also asked about the Trump freeloaders, I mean kids. McCarthy said he thought Don Jr. would probably run for a congressional seat somewhere in the midwest. When asked where he thought Eric would be working, he said the drive thru window at Chik-Fil-A. (I'm kidding about that last part McCarthy was never asked about Eric).

But you're right Trump is going to be the Republican party as long as he lives.
 
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gnomefromnome
http://www.loser.com/

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Right? I love it.

The domain has gone through some pretty big redirect swings.

The loser.com domain name was registered in 1995 by Brian Connelly.

It redirected to the website of the 2000 presidential campaign of Al Gore; a website opposing former Governor of South Carolina Jim Hodges in much of 2002; the presidential campaign of Barack Obama in 2008; WikiLeaks in 2010; an article about American politician Sean Duffy in 2011; and the Reddit website in 2012. According to Connelly, the website sometimes redirects to topics he considers positive to increase their traffic.

The domain name gained mainstream coverage in March 2015, when it redirected to the English Wikipedia entry for American rapper Kanye West; Marlow Stern of The Daily Beast suggested that the redirect was done in response to West's reactions to American singer Beck's album Morning Phase winning Album of the Year at the 57th Annual Grammy Awards. Ryan Gajewski of The Hollywood Reporter and Christopher Hooton of The Independent both suggested that the domain name was a Beck reference because "Loser" is one of Beck's most notable songs. In an interview with Stern on March 5, Connelly admitted that he had a negative impression of West and intended the redirection as a troll attempt on the rapper.

In February 2016, the website redirected to the English Wikipedia entry for then-US presidential candidate Donald Trump after he placed second in the Iowa caucus. Defending the move, Connelly described Trump as "a man who attacks Muslims, who attacks Muslim Americans, who pushes fear and doubt" and "the definition of a loser". In 2017, loser.com became a news website that published articles opposing President Trump.

As of 20 April 2020, it redirected to a FactCheck.org page about Donald Trump's statements concerning the COVID-19 pandemic.

When asked about his motives with his redirects, Connelly said the year 2000 redirect to losing Tennessee gubernatorial candidate Bill Daley's website was because “I think he was anti-gay”. He had "no comment" about the 2002 redirect to an opposition site targeting South Carolina Governor Jim Hodges.

As of May 23, 2020, it redirected to a Twitter post showing Senator Lindsey Graham's swap from opposition to support of Donald Trump.

As of June 27, 2020, it redirected to a video of Lindsey Graham praising Joe Biden in an ad created by Republican Voters Against Trump.

As of November 8, 2020, it again redirects to the English Wikipedia entry for Donald Trump as Trump refuses to concede the 2020 United States presidential election.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loser.com
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jjaisli
I'm sure there is more of it out there. But at this point, in the swing states, Biden is ahead by a commanding lead. And by almost 5 million votes in total (popular vote). There would have to be such an overwhelming case of voter fraud, on a scale almost unimaginable to make up for the differences we're seeing. Ballots have to be certified. Each state has their own process. There have been observers watching everything through the vote count, there have been several incidents which were brought up and addressed and corrected. But no wide scale fraud cases have been reported. Or even suspected. I think if it's down to just a few thousand votes, a recount is in order. But otherwise, it's done. It's just a formality at this point.
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I managed to put myself into the perspective, I think, of a Trumpist with respect to the election. I think it's like this - to them, votes are not individually discrete things, rather the vote is a single element broken into two parts - for Trump, and against Trump. This means that any instances of fraud or even irregularity are indicative that the entire vote against Trump is illegitimate and the entire result must be discarded. That's how pervasive Trumpism's "us against them" mantra has become. I also see this as Trump's angle for this hail mary. He'll cite whatever he can and then extrapolate that the entire election result is illegitimate. That scares me.
 
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jjaisli
I have a few friends who are hard core, traditional Republicans, at least four of whom voted for Biden, all of whom were big fans of the Lincoln Project and several of whom, like George Conaway himself, have come to the conclusion that the Republican party as we knew it, is dead and buried.
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But how many people like that are there actually? I would have expected more, & that they would have swung the election more decisively against Trump. If people voted for Trump this time, after 4 years of chaos, how likely is it that they will vote against him next time? The danger I see is that Biden will lose support from "Lincoln Project Republicans" - especially if he moves too far to the left - & from left wing Democrats - especially if he moves to far to the right, but why would anyone who voted for Trump in 2020 not vote for him again?
 
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x3ra
I think that mainstream discussion is impossible. The mainstream is propaganda, as I think you will be well aware. If you can find the information which is shown in the mainstream then I will concede.
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In other words, if we can find actual sources, legitimate sources, registered news sites, ones that have editors and ombudsman and fact checkers and journalists and a code of ethics...those can't be trusted. But if we can dig up some garbage site with NO credible sources or no first hand accounts and no vetting of sources, you'll believe it.

Makes sense.
 
x3ra
I think that mainstream discussion is impossible. The mainstream is propaganda, as I think you will be well aware. If you can find the information which is shown in the mainstream then I will concede.
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I don't quite understand. What information do you want us to find for you again? Are you saying that the fact that there has been no evidence of widespread voter fraud in the mainstream is proof that there's been widespread voter fraud?

[EDIT] Dumb people believe that dead people voted in their masses because Trump lied to them that this was so. They think that Republicans were barred from observing the count when Republicans have been present at every state vote count. We know this because there have been live feeds on the web where anyone can observe the count.

This is why election fraud lawsuits keep getting thrown out by judges. It's because the evidence presented for them is about as solid as saying I saw Goody Proctor dancing with the devil.

(Tree'd by @jjaisli)
 
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