The GTP Unofficial 2020 US Elections Thread

GTPlanet Exit Poll - Which Presidential Ticket Did You Vote For?

  • Trump/Pence

    Votes: 16 27.1%
  • Biden/Harris

    Votes: 20 33.9%
  • Jorgensen/Cohen

    Votes: 7 11.9%
  • Hawkins/Walker

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • La Riva/Freeman

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • De La Fuente/Richardson

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Blankenship/Mohr

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Carroll/Patel

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Simmons/Roze

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Charles/Wallace

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 15 25.4%

  • Total voters
    59
  • Poll closed .
Just heard a black woman from Georgia on the CBC this evening who recounted how she waited in line for 10 HOURS to cast her ballot. There is apparently a big difference in the wait times in affluent neighbourhoods & poorer African American neighbourhoods which are underserved with voting facilities.
 
What do you think of this, @Chrunch Houston ? You can condemn specific actions of your party while still thinking that they're overall the best choice to run the country, and this seems like exactly the sort of specifically undemocratic thing that nobody should be supporting. It's not an us vs. them thing, it's a "we'd like a country where elections are actually a meaningful reflection of the will of the people" thing. I'm no expert as I'm a filthy Ocker, but it seems like something the US Constitution is pretty clear about.
Ballot harvesting is legal in California. It probably shouldn't be, but it is.

I am going to assume that the ballots that are collected in these drop boxes are sealed and party affiliation or the vote contained within are not visible.

If the law allows third parties to collect ballots from voters, I don't see much difference between setting up a box, or going door to door.
 
Ballot harvesting is legal in California. It probably shouldn't be, but it is.

I am going to assume that the ballots that are collected in these drop boxes are sealed and party affiliation or the vote contained within are not visible.

If the law allows third parties to collect ballots from voters, I don't see much difference between setting up a box, or going door to door.

The difference is that they were not clear about being a third party dropping your vote off for you. The ballot boxes were made to look like they were official boxes collected by state election officials. For someone who has been concerned about fraud in this election, you seem amazingly ready to dismiss actual fraud.

 
The difference is that they were not clear about being a third party dropping your vote off for you. The ballot boxes were made to look like they were official boxes collected by state election officials. For someone who has been concerned about fraud in this election, you seem amazingly ready to dismiss actual fraud.


Ballot harvesting in California is legal. Tim seems to think these boxes are illegal, and apparently you agree with him. As does the AG of California. I guess we will have to wait and see what a judge says.

I don't see what the problem is though. Democrats also collect ballots. What do you think the evil Republicans planned on doing with those ballots?
 
Ballot harvesting in California is legal. Tim seems to think these boxes are illegal, and apparently you agree with him. As does the AG of California. I guess we will have to wait and see what a judge says.

I don't see what the problem is though. Democrats also collect ballots. What do you think the evil Republicans planned on doing with those ballots?

You ignored what I wrote. Obviously intentionally.
 
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I am going to assume that the ballots that are collected in these drop boxes are sealed and party affiliation or the vote contained within are not visible.
I'm obviously not 100% on California voting law but get the impression the rules are more likely to apply to real boxes than fake boxes.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/12/republicans-election-2020-unauthorized-ballot-boxes

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Hector Barajas, a spokesman for the party, pointed to a state law that allows a third party to collect voters’ ballots. Republicans have long decried the law.

“In California, where you can have convicted felons and individuals with a criminal history go door to door and collect ballots from voters, Democrats are now upset because organizations, individuals and groups are offering an opportunity for their friends, family, and patrons to drop off their ballot with someone they know and trust,” Barajas said in the statement.

“The Democrat anger is overblown when state law allows organizations, volunteers or campaign workers to collect completed ballots and drop them off at polling places or election offices.”

But reliance on the law is misleading. The provision says the voter must authorize the person who returns the ballot and that the third party must sign the return envelope. People who collect ballots cannot be compensated based on the number of ballots they return and must bring a ballot to the elections office shortly after receiving it.

Jessica Levinson, a Loyola Law School professor, noted that voters had a right to choose how they delivered their ballots, and that the unauthorized boxes were misleading voters.

“Republicans have been saying, ‘You can’t trust the system, there is fraud,’ and then they engage in arguably fraudulent behavior and create the problems they are complaining about,” she said, adding she feared a chilling effect, even if few people were directly impacted.

It sounds like "the voter must authorize the person who returns the ballot" for the vote to count. I'm not sure how many Democrat voters would authorise the Republican party to collect and deliver their votes safely.

If the GOP genuinely want to help voters from both parties then why are they misleading people about the boxes? They're all "don't trust convicted felons to deliver your votes, trust us instead even though we're pretending to be authorized when we aren't".

Smells like something’s rotten in the Golden State. How can anyone be sure the intention isn't to lower overall confidence in the voting system so Trump can call the whole thing a fake?
 
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IMO in-person voting at an official polling location has traditionally been a trusted if not sacred institution in the US, part of the bedrock of our democracy.

Once you deviate and start letting every state and local jurisdiction invent its own rules and processes, chaos and mistrust is invited into the system.

Woe betide those who toss aside the proven and reliable then use novelty and confusion to their competitive advantage. Once it has begun, it becomes a new battleground, another permanent war gnawing at the foundation of what we have left of truth, justice and order.
 
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IMO in-person voting at an official polling location has traditionally been a trusted if not sacred institution in the US., the bedrock of democracy.

Once you deviate and start letting every state and local jurisdiction invent its own rules and processes, chaos and mistrust is invited into the system.

Good lord.

Woe betide those who toss aside the proven and reliable then use novelty and confusion to their competitive advantage. Once it has begun, it becomes a new battleground, another permanent war gnawing at the foundation of what we have left of truth, justice and order.

You could listen to people like Danoff and JoeyD who have told us that mail-in voting has been working just fine for years in their states.

While we're on the topic of voting "battlegrounds", do you have any similar fears about Trump telling his supports to loiter around polling places and intimidate people? Seems to me that mail-in voting has the advantage by letting you avoid any cretins who choose to obey that nonsense.
 
This looks an awful lot like precedent.

IMO in-person voting at an official polling location has traditionally been a trusted if not sacred institution in the US, part of the bedrock of our democracy.

Once you deviate and start letting every state and local jurisdiction invent its own rules and processes, chaos and mistrust is invited into the system.

Woe betide those who toss aside the proven and reliable then use novelty and confusion to their competitive advantage. Once it has begun, it becomes a new battleground, another permanent war gnawing at the foundation of what we have left of truth, justice and order.
This looks an awful lot like obfuscation.
 
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IMO in-person voting at an official polling location has traditionally been a trusted if not sacred institution in the US, part of the bedrock of our democracy.

You make it sound like voting by mail is some new fangled technology that's come to steal our jobs, kick our pets and suck our brains dry of delicious intellectual juices.

You're not possibly unaware that voting by mail has been around since well before your own birth. So what fringe conspiracy theory are you out to push this time?
 
Once you deviate and start letting every state and local jurisdiction invent its own rules and processes, chaos and mistrust is invited into the system.
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I'm thinking mistrust of the 2020 election is going to add to existing social unrest due to pandemic, economic collapse, police brutality and inequality issues.

Tell me I'm wrong.
 
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So I'm correct. Again.

Your pattern is to make a statement that is demonstrably wrong, re-write it to be less wrong and more vague, re-write to to be less wrong and more vague, and then re-write it to a platitude that is not really easy to disagree with but also meaningless.

Rinse, repeat. Somehow this justifies the initial wrong statements in your mind.
 
Your pattern is to make a statement that is demonstrably wrong, re-write it to be less wrong and more vague, re-write to to be less wrong and more vague, and then re-write it to a platitude that is not really easy to disagree with but also meaningless.

Rinse, repeat. Somehow this justifies the initial wrong statements in your mind.
Nope. I stated an opinion on the status of the 2020 election and it's novel problems with voting. I made a prediction that further social unrest will ensue, and nobody has contradicted that.

Note: My state has had mail-in voting for many years with no notable problems. This is only 1 of about 6 states with such experience. But now that number multiplies, adding new variables and new consequences.
 
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So I'm correct. Again.
If so, then it's because of unfounded mistrust being manufactured by those with a vested interest in hiding the truth.

Who wants to be right about that?

But now that number multiplies, adding new variables and new consequences.
Citation needed.

The Civil War didn't stop people voting (by mail, nonetheless). World War II didn't stop them voting. What's special about 2020? You have the technological means to circumvent any obstacles that are brought about by the pandemic. All that's lacking is the political will by the so-called "bodyguard of western civilisation".
 
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If so, then it's because of unfounded mistrust being manufactured by those with a vested interest in hiding the truth.

Who wants to be right about that?
Who wants to face reality in all its ugliness?
 
Your pattern is to make a statement that is demonstrably wrong, re-write it to be less wrong and more vague, re-write to to be less wrong and more vague, and then re-write it to a platitude that is not really easy to disagree with but also meaningless.

Rinse, repeat. Somehow this justifies the initial wrong statements in your mind.
Or simply edit in an at this point completely worthless "IMHO" at the front of it instead of responding in any meaningful way to solicitations.
 
Nope. I stated an opinion on the status of the 2020 election and it's novel problems with voting. I made a prediction that further social unrest will ensue, and nobody has contradicted that.

Note: My state has had mail-in voting for many years with no notable problems. This is only 1 of about 6 states with such experience. But now that number multiplies, adding new variables and new consequences.

...apparently this is how incorrect statements get validated by vague nebulous platitudes. Everyone take note, here are the gymnastics required to do it.

You made a statement about novel problems with voting that was directly contradicted immediately by over a century of mail-in voting throughout the US. Somehow you still think that (easily) demonstrably wrong statement was correct.
 
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Nope. I stated an opinion on the status of the 2020 election and it's novel problems with voting. I made a prediction that further social unrest will ensue, and nobody has contradicted that.
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But you started it here.

IMO in-person voting at an official polling location has traditionally been a trusted if not sacred institution in the US, part of the bedrock of our democracy.

Once you deviate and start letting every state and local jurisdiction invent its own rules and processes, chaos and mistrust is invited into the system.

Woe betide those who toss aside the proven and reliable then use novelty and confusion to their competitive advantage. Once it has begun, it becomes a new battleground, another permanent war gnawing at the foundation of what we have left of truth, justice and order.

Which to me you're saying the entire process of mail in voting has always been flawed which isn't the case as many others have pointed out.

Then you spun it into this singling out the 2020 Election.

Nope. I stated an opinion on the status of the 2020 election and it's novel problems with voting. I made a prediction that further social unrest will ensue, and nobody has contradicted that.

Note: My state has had mail-in voting for many years with no notable problems. This is only 1 of about 6 states with such experience. But now that number multiplies, adding new variables and new consequences.

So to me, no you were not correct with your first assumption.
 
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