The Logitech Driving Force Pro Thread.

[Minnesota01R6]

I'm wondering if there's going to be a newer, better wheel out by the time GT4 finally does come out. Who knows, maybe it will come out on PS3.

All I know is that I have a $150 plastic doorstop untill GT4 comes out.

 

[nickmp0wer]

well i was very disappointed with it in gt3 but i just played prologue and even though its pal on my ntsc computer it was one probably the best video driving experiences i have had. The steering ratio is proportional to real life and the feedback is too

now, how do i get the m5?

 

[GTXLR]

Another DFP convert!

Goes from this

i thought this was gunna be a lot more realistic. It unwinds the at the same pace no matter what speed even when stopped.


im hoping gt4 is much better for it. How is it with the bmw demo?

and how did u guys get the "paddles" to work?

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well i was very disappointed with it in gt3 but i just played prologue and even though its pal on my ntsc computer it was one probably the best video driving experiences i have had. The steering ratio is proportional to real life and the feedback is too

now, how do i get the m5??

In just 3 hours 👍

 

[Buggy Boy]

Question:
If you weave from left to right to left, is the zero resitance zone still prevelant when you go through the central position?

Im feeling that there is something wrong with your wheel, I went back and tested out the wheel again today, and can only report that through all my different test manouvers, different levels of resistance are felt at different times right across the central zone, except during loss of grip, the resistance is different dependant on circumstances but is prevelant non the less to some degree.

Have you tried a feint motion into a turn, is the feed back resistance there through the central zone as you move the wheel as you make the turn?

The zone of no resistance is not always in the center, during a feint motion I found it hard however to find out if there's FF where it should be. If there's something wrong, it is in the low FF-zone only, and that zone is hard to find during such manoeuvers! Certainly with a wheel that does not simulate low FF well!

It could be that my wheel is OK, don't feel sure however. I guess the only way is to check another wheel. Logitec didn't answer the question if it was possible to try a demo set-up with GT4 Prologue somewhere.

If by accident someone lives in the East of Belgium, or not too far over the Dutch or German border, and is willing to let me try out his wheel, please give me a sign

 

[k2racer]

The zone of no resistance is not always in the center, during a feint motion I found it hard however to find out if there's FF where it should be. If there's something wrong, it is in the low FF-zone only, and that zone is hard to find during such manoeuvers! Certainly with a wheel that does not simulate low FF well!

It could be that my wheel is OK, don't feel sure however. I guess the only way is to check another wheel. Logitec didn't answer the question if it was possible to try a demo set-up with GT4 Prologue somewhere.

If by accident someone lives in the East of Belgium, or not too far over the Dutch or German border, and is willing to let me try out his wheel, please give me a sign

I probably live close (B 3920) PM me if you're interested

 

[guimauve]

Here are pics of my setup.
Not quite as fancy as some of the setups Ive seen on here, but its a comfy couch, and does the job

And yes...the second TV has a use. Its hooked up to a PS1 & Gran Turismo 2. So I can do a race in GT3, turn, lay down, do a race in GT2, etc.

http://www.pbase.com/guimauve

 

[maxter]

Well, it's not much, but I have fun in it. I installed the Logitech 5.1 surround sound system today and it is awesome. The road rumble from the sub-woofer is brilliant and for the first time, the engine noise is comming from the right place.

The seating position is good for me, although I would like to get a proper race seat.

As always, constructive critisism is welcome.

Cheers,

My DFP/GT car (Pic 1)

My DFP/GT car (PS2 setup)

My DFP/GT car (Sub woofer setup)

My DFP/GT car (DFP setup - experimenting with a few different pedal locations))

 

[ppith]

I am very pleased with the DFP. This is the first PS2 racing wheel I've ever owned. The forced feedback is excellent, though I do wish the steering wheel was the size of a "regular" steering wheel. I am pleased with the accelerator pedal and brake pedals though I do wish the accelerator pedal offered just a little more resistance (and perhaps rubber coated or aluminum cross drilled). Now for those of you out there who own or have driven sports cars, I wish the brake pedal relied on pressure rather than distance to modulate braking power. I don't have a mod chip so I can't comment on its 900 degrees of rotation. I only hope that PD considers different cars have different steering ratios and resistance someday. Either that, or make every car steer like a sports car (sensitive and quick ratios). Anyone who has driven a non-sports car vs a sports car knows what I'm talking about when it comes to how many turns lock to lock and steering sensitivity for slow speed high degree turning. I really like how the DFP lightens up the steering when the rear end breaks loose. This is similar to what happens in real life except you don't feel the oversteer by the seat of your pants. I did observe a "bug" where the wheel somehow turned off resistance. But I think that was me accidentally turning off force feedback when I was really trying to deactivate 900 degree mode (feels really weird in GT3, every car turns like a Dodge Stratus coupe SXT rental I had a few weeks ago in Washington state!). FYI, I am comparing DFP steering feel to my daily driver which is a Porsche Boxster.

I high recommend this wheel. I just have a table+couch setup for now, but I have seen some great online kits for around $300. I also hoped that there would be some kind of floor support for those of us who don't have carpet in our living rooms (wood floors). I can't wait for the next iteration of this wheel.

 

[Nevsky]

will it work with PS1

 

[GTXLR]

will it work with PS1

No
WHY?

 

[SimRaceDriver]

The forced feedback is excellent, though I do wish the steering wheel was the size of a "regular" steering wheel.

You could always replace the steering wheel with a Momo or a Sparco wheel from Frex ...as seen here or here if it really starts to bother you...which is what I'll be doing shortly.

I wish the brake pedal relied on pressure rather than distance to modulate braking power

Then you should definitely checkout the Frex line of pedals as well!
Here's a great review of the pedals that you should find the time to read, as it outlines many of the benefits users get from the feel of the pedals!

And in case you were wondering, they've designed their products specifically for the PS2! :-)

 

[londor]

If you want the best pedals check out the ECCI ones.

 

[ppith]

I continue to be amazed at the amount of AFTERMARKET parts people are making for racing sims! I've always wanted a chasis setup (adjustable rake/height wheel and seat position) and the Frex pedals and wheels are the next logical step! Since I will be getting rid of the Boxster next year hopefully my girlfriend won't mind if I indulge myself in a few of the goodies from their website. I am definitely not hardcore enough to assemble this kit myself so I'd probably pay them to do it. Thanks for the link!

 

[FC3S5]

im considering buying the DFP sometime soon, before GT4 comes out so i can custom make a table and chair before. i have some questions that are holding me back though...

its 900 degree rotation, like a real car. but how does that work in the game, because with the analog, if your driving 200mph, it recalibrates the joystick for you so when you turn it all the way to one side, its not like the front wheels are actually turning as far as they can go. so with the DFP, is it calibrated right so that when you are driving 200mph, you dont have to turn it all the way just to turn the front wheels a little?

i found the diameter of the wheel somewhere and converted to mm and it was like 350 if i remember right or something. thats pretty close to a real race wheel, but is it measured right? it looks like its kinda small in the pictures.

how easy is the stick shift to use? are the paddles any good?

is it easy to drive with the pedals (i find myself using gas and brake at the same time in low gears in high hp cars so the drive wheels dont brake too hard)? does two foot driving work ok with them?

sorry if some of these questions have alreayd been answered. i started going throug hte pages and by page 6 i got tired (noticed there were 18+ pages)

 

[Touge]

Anyone know where I can find a Right Hand Drive version (shifter on the left) of this wheel, if one exists at all?

 

[maxter]

its 900 degree rotation, like a real car. but how does that work in the game, because with the analog, if your driving 200mph, it recalibrates the joystick for you so when you turn it all the way to one side, its not like the front wheels are actually turning as far as they can go. so with the DFP, is it calibrated right so that when you are driving 200mph, you dont have to turn it all the way just to turn the front wheels a little?)

I find the calibration pretty good... It's not like a 200 degree wheel, but it's not like a speed sensitive power steering either. You will not have a problem getting used to it as there is nothing really to get used to. As someone else said previously, one of the best things is how the FFB works when you get on to different surfaces and the corresponding lack of grip is evident by the wheel going loose on you.

i found the diameter of the wheel somewhere and converted to mm and it was like 350 if i remember right or something. thats pretty close to a real race wheel, but is it measured right? it looks like its kinda small in the pictures.)

The wheel is 250mm dia with a reasonably pliant grip. I don't have any problems with it... Here is my poor attempt at creating something that would remind me of a previous life in competitive driving I can't afford a decent seat, but it is on the horizon. I set the seat position more to that of a normal everyday passenger car. As with everything, it's a compromise. A widescreen LCD TV is also on the agenda for the future, one that I can mount on the hood.

how easy is the stick shift to use? are the paddles any good?)

I find the paddles to be a bit of a disappointment as there is little feel/feedback from them. There is no action as such so I don't use them much.

is it easy to drive with the pedals (i find myself using gas and brake at the same time in low gears in high hp cars so the drive wheels dont brake too hard)? does two foot driving work ok with them?)

This is the fun part... Having driven openwheelers in the past, I found left foot braking an absolute must to maintain rythym and keep revs up. This I can do with ease with these pedals. One criticism is that there is inadequate feedback from the brake given it's a simple spring/pot setup. A set of ECCI Trackstar 6000 replacement pedals will also appear on the impossibly long wishlist

For me these are the best set of middle end wheel/pedal sets on the market. I don't think you can go wrong.

 

[Buggy Boy]

Yesterday I had the opportunity to test k2racers DFP! It turned out to give exactly the same FF as my steering wheel, so I guess this is the way it is supposed to work and there is nothing wrong with mine ...

Now I'm sorry : probably by my fault, some of you suddenly started to feel strange things in their wheel

Thanks GTXLR, Minnesota01R6, Arwin, Werner Winkels and RedOak for all the help! It was very appreciated.
Special thanks to k2racer for inviting a complete stranger in your large living room, tastefully equipped with 2 hypermodern design seats, a racing cockpit and a TV . I'm looking forward to the I-link race!

 

[SimRaceDriver]

The pedals from ECCI are, without a doubt, one of the better aftermarket sets out there, simply based on their construction and their Progressive Modulated Brake Pedal technology, which I think Frex tries to attempt as best they can in their line of pedals...

In either case, these pedals, as well as the ones offered by Ball Racing Developement are all top notch quality products and the real determining factor in which ones to purchase come down to not only cost, but also which ones are more logical for your particular driving setup.

I for one, would be hard pressed to use ECCI's pedals because of the cockpit I have which, based soley on space and the need to have them anchored in such a way that they won't move while in use,
would make using them a tad difficult.

However, at least the pedals from ECCI & Frex are direct plug N play with the current Logitech DFP, where as my Speed7 Pedlas require an adapter, which the company has yet to put out and probably won't be doing until sometime after the 1st of the year!...<seriously considering buying the Frex pedals until such a time >


Bottom line...all of the aftermarket products that are available right now are much better improvements over the stock logitech parts, so it won't really matter which ones you purchase!

 

[GTXLR]

Yesterday I had the opportunity to test k2racers DFP! It turned out to give exactly the same FF as my steering wheel, so I guess this is the way it is supposed to work and there is nothing wrong with mine ...

Now I'm sorry : probably by my fault, some of you suddenly started to feel strange things in their wheel

Thanks GTXLR, Minnesota01R6, Arwin, Werner Winkels and RedOak for all the help! It was very appreciated.
Special thanks to k2racer for inviting a complete stranger in your large living room, tastefully equipped with 2 hypermodern design seats, a racing cockpit and a TV . I'm looking forward to the I-link race!

Glad to see your wheel is functioning properly.
Now just learn to live with its annomolies(sp?), and forget them and enjoy the wheel with GT4(soon) 👍

 

[FC3S5]

i have another quesiton. usually when playing video games i like to be relaxed. it shouldnt be all that physical. with the wheel and pedals do your arms ever get tired, or do you rest them on something. and are the pedals evenly spaced so if you want to use 2 foot driving your legs wont cramp up from being so close?

im just having a hard time figuring if i want to buy it or not, it is kinda expensive. i really want to test it out before i buy it too.

 

[GTXLR]

i have another quesiton. usually when playing video games i like to be relaxed. it shouldnt be all that physical. with the wheel and pedals do your arms ever get tired, or do you rest them on something. and are the pedals evenly spaced so if you want to use 2 foot driving your legs wont cramp up from being so close?

im just having a hard time figuring if i want to buy it or not, it is kinda expensive. i really want to test it out before i buy it too.

You really need to have free movements of the arm, when using 900 degree mode, I find armrest unpracticle for this.
2 foot driving is the way i play and its perfectly acceptable.

As for tiring arms it depends how long you race.

I recently had a five hour session, of pretty much constant intense driving in TOCA RD2 online, only using 180 mode, and when i finished I was sweating like mad and my arms ached for a while.

In moderation it shouldnt be so bad, and you can always turn down the level of feedback, to make it lighter.

 

[RedOak]

One way not to get too tired is to lower the position of the wheel, in relation to your shoulders. And place it so you have about a 30degree angle at your elbows. That way, your arms are not stretched when going straight. All these little things will have you relaxe a little more and save your energy and stamina for a longer driving experience.

 

[Minnesota01R6]

I drive in an office chair with my DFP bolted to my desk and a 20" lcd screen about 2' behind the DFP. My arms don't get tired, but my back sure hurts after an endurance race. Like anything, it is getting better as my body gets used to it, but it takes a while to get used to it!

 

[JohnBM01]

You know, while GT4 won't be out this year, I'm considering getting the Logitech Driving Force Pro. As I read before, the GT3 wheel can be used with GT4.

I would surely like to play with this wheel in my PS2 racing. I still don't think a lot of my PS1 games that have steering wheel support will successfully work with my games. The reason why I asked about reverse-compatibility with this device is that I haven't seen anything in the sense of a standard PS2 port AND/OR a USB port. But thanks for the post on November 15, Arwin (https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1311211&postcount=315).

 

[FC3S5]

say your going 200mph and you crank the wheel all the way to the right (or left). do the wheels actually turn all the way which puts you out of control, or do they just turn as far as they would if you were using the regular ps controller while turning the joystick all hte way to one side? if the wheels do only turn as far as they would with the controller, is it easy to tell when turning the wheel where it stops turning?

 

[GTXLR]

say your going 200mph and you crank the wheel all the way to the right (or left). do the wheels actually turn all the way which puts you out of control, or do they just turn as far as they would if you were using the regular ps controller while turning the joystick all hte way to one side? if the wheels do only turn as far as they would with the controller, is it easy to tell when turning the wheel where it stops turning?

The wheel gives constant direct input and the wheels turn relative to the position of the wheel at all times, well at least in the 900 degree mode anyway.

 

[Buggy Boy]

The wheel gives constant direct input and the wheels turn relative to the position of the wheel at all times, well at least in the 900 degree mode anyway.

That's correct, and the same happens in 180° mode.

 

[FC3S5]

The wheel gives constant direct input and the wheels turn relative to the position of the wheel at all times, well at least in the 900 degree mode anyway.

so what happens when you turn the wheel all the way when going 200mph? cause the only time gt3 allows the wheels to turn all the way is when your going really slow

 

[GTXLR]

so what happens when you turn the wheel all the way when going 200mph? cause the only time gt3 allows the wheels to turn all the way is when your going really slow

you'd lose control, you couldnt rotate the wheel all the way before spinning out.

 

[FC3S5]

you'd lose control, you couldnt rotate the wheel all the way before spinning out.

ok good. so basically its the real thing, and you should actually be more in control of the car with the wheel since you can turn the wheels however much you want regardless of your speed.

im gonna go tomarow to buy the wheel.