The next tuner challenge..

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mafia_boy
While that bit's true, it's not just that. If your car has similar power levels you shouldn't expect such a huge margin of victory on either side. I mean, not everyone went overkill with the PWR like yourself, Roj and the other big hp/low weight cars did Holdenboy. ;) If this was just based on sector times, I would've just brought out an Elise 190 fully worked and gone hectic like Snyp did with his Elise. :)
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I didn't go overkill. :grumpy: If you want overkill I have overkill. :mischievous:

I'd say I'm joking but I'm not, I do have an overkill NSX-R that will handle Citta. :lol:

Edit: I said overkill 3 times in that post, er, 4. :lol:
 
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maybe you would like to suggest a more, appropriate course, Mr. know-it-all..,

AND would you also suggest a power limit??
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Now now, just because Megasoft made some criticisms in your garage doesn't mean you need to arc up on other threads Mr.doriftorino. :) Personally from me to you, don't worry about what he says as it's your garage and do what the heck you want to it......paint it pokerdot's, fill the garage with 660cc Touge racers, do whatever!! Just pay attention to what Kent says at the moment as he's the one running TCv3. ;)

*added bit* Roj, you're a bit overkill. :P
 
mafia_boy
:lol: *dangles the fishing pole & bait out a bit more* BITE DAMN YOU, BITE AGAIN!! :lol: *thinks* 💡

What do Britney Spears and roj's NSX have in common?? They're both pop-tarts!! :P
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*laps Mafs' Silvia at El Capitan*

Oops, I did it again. :D
 
mafia_boy
:lol: Touche. :cool:

Although you'd want to be lapping my car, you have 100hp extra. ;)
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Yes, I must get past your Slowvia before as soon as possible, so that you dont hold me up. :P

Nah I'm kidding, slow and steady wins the race... :dunce:

Edit: Hey I just noticed my new member title, "GTP Addict". How do they know?!
 
mafia_boy
Now now, just because Megasoft made some criticisms in your garage doesn't mean you need to arc up on other threads Mr.doriftorino. :) Personally from me to you, don't worry about what he says as it's your garage and do what the heck you want to it......paint it pokerdot's, fill the garage with 660cc Touge racers, do whatever!! Just pay attention to what Kent says at the moment as he's the one running TCv3. ;)
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well, maybe if he tested one of my cars first before making criticisims OR if he didn't make any criticisims at all, my blood wouldn't have been boiling like this.., i'll be blunt, in my POV (point of view) he should've just stayed quiet in the first place, because he knows too much.., he said that "toe angles conceal the setup of the suspension" or something like that.., so is Mr.Megasoft saying that i should stop/lessen using toe angles?? it's like he's saying that i am the only one around here who uses toe angles for my cars?? how about the others??

WTH, i've had enough of this.., sorry for bringing this matter over to other threads.., i apologize..,
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm not disagreeing with your POV and you are right, you aren't the only one who's using toe angle in their tunes. I'm not going to put words in his mouth but from what I read, he said that SOME of the cars do not need the toe angle, not every single one. :)
Just going through all of your spec sheets, I can see his POV aswell. You have a very generic tune for your cars when it comes to camber/toe angle, as it's very similar for FF, FR and 4WD. Co-incidence or not I'm not too sure, but I do know from the FR view with my FD Bathurst R that you don't need the negative toe on the front. :)
 
mafia_boy
Ummm, look at the difference in time spent here. ;)

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Who's the postwhore again?? :P
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That would be me.

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As to the toe: If you feel the cars need it, use it. /discussion.
 
mafia_boy
While that bit's true, it's not just that. If your car has similar power levels you shouldn't expect such a huge margin of victory on either side. I mean, not everyone went overkill with the PWR like yourself, Roj and the other big hp/low weight cars did Holdenboy. ;) If this was just based on sector times, I would've just brought out an Elise 190 fully worked and gone hectic like Snyp did with his Elise. :)
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I haven't played the game for a while at this point, but I found that Sector 1 of Citta di Aria reverse was more suitable for several reasons:
  • it is mostly downhill, which puts more stake in stability at the driving limit than power/torque to climb gradients
  • has no straights (which is a loss), but its technicality compensates
  • it is more narrow, reducing margin for error and curbing time attack-style driving aggression (you should only be running the touge once or twice anyway; you don't get second chances to make up for errors or drive the perfect line during a heated battle)
  • has a downhill, increasing-radius hairpin which banks more influence on a car's steering character
  • more road irregularities than any other sector, which demands an accommodating suspension setup with sufficient stroke
The decision to use sector 1 in the normal (forward) layout for a touge left me scratching my head a bit.:odd:
 
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I haven't played the game for a while at this point, but I found that Sector 1 of Citta di Aria reverse was more suitable for several reasons:
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You're bit late with this..

  • it is mostly downhill, which puts more stake in stability at the driving limit than power/torque to climb gradients
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  • Whereas this is true, not all Touge tracks are downhill only...

    [*]has no straights (which is a loss), but its technicality compensates
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    Kent had his reasons, such as the judges ability to drive the track. in addition, uphill makes you pay attention to your gearing, that has to keep the revs on the powerband.
    [*]it is more narrow, reducing margin for error and curbing time attack-style driving aggression (you should only be running the touge once or twice anyway; you don't get second chances to make up for errors or drive the perfect line during a heated battle)
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    In the end, it's the judges who drive the cars. I don't doubt their skill, and since GT4 has no damage, the errors only show in the T1 time, which is why it is the ending point of the challenge.
    [*]has a downhill, increasing-radius hairpin which banks more influence on a car's steering character
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    And the T1-section has switchbacks and long sweeper that easily determine both low speed and high speed handling character.


    [*]more road irregularities than any other sector, which demands an accommodating suspension setup with sufficient stroke
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the beginning before the start line covers that part.. your point is..?

The decision to use sector 1 in the normal (forward) layout for a touge left me scratching my head a bit.:odd:
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Why don't you ask Kent for his reasoning. He will probably point you to post he made about this matter before the challenge started.
 
First corner you get to on the forward track (timed) is a 70-80mph right followed by a 35-50mph tight, no-room-for-error left, a short stretch around a mild right, followed by a high-speed left, dropping away into a decreasing radius right hairpin, which exits to a short chute into a mid-speed left followed by WOT right. It's nearly all corners and is not as aggravating to drive a car with annoying characteristics around.

That, and constant downhill masks understeer and overpronounces oversteer.

EDIT: Leo done gone tree'd me...
 
VTiRoj
I predicted as much. When it comes to RWD warfare, Midship rules. :sly: Suprised by the Elise though, over a second? Dayum. :ill:

How much faster was the NSX-R over the ASL?
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At the moment, the NSX is 0.1sec quicker, but I think the NSX can go a little faster.

mafia_boy
If your car has similar power levels you shouldn't expect such a huge margin of victory on either side. I mean, not everyone went overkill with the PWR like yourself, Roj and the other big hp/low weight cars did Holdenboy. ;) If this was just based on sector times, I would've just brought out an Elise 190 fully worked and gone hectic like Snyp did with his Elise. :)
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but very race in the world is based on who can go the fastest. You should have gone the K's Mafs, it would have been better. Did I mention that your Slowvia Silvia sounds more like a rotary than RJ's rotary does? :odd: It's not about choosing a car to win though, it's about choosing a car you like and making it win. Otherwise I'm sure everyone would be in Caterhams an we'd all look like knobs :lol:
 
mafia_boy
While that bit's true, it's not just that. If your car has similar power levels you shouldn't expect such a huge margin of victory on either side. I mean, not everyone went overkill with the PWR like yourself, Roj and the other big hp/low weight cars did Holdenboy. ;) If this was just based on sector times, I would've just brought out an Elise 190 fully worked and gone hectic like Snyp did with his Elise. :)
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Yea Kent said sector times wont be the most important factor. He also will be the only person that will be making a judgement thats relevant and he'll know what to look for better than anyone else. Im pretty sure hes not impressed by raw horse power or sector times.
 
RAW horsepower? My car has only got 300hp, it makes up in weight, which I chose for handling rather than straight line speed. The only car using raw horsepower here is the BTR, the others are all rather weak on horsepower in comparation to most normal track cars. And oh yeah, if the race was won in a straight line, the Elise wouldn't be more than a second quicker than the BTR and RX-8, or almost a second quicker than the NSX. My car was the slowest accelerating out of the top 4, and it certainly holds it's own. Of course the Elise beats me in corners and a straight line, it just hammers :)
 
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RAW horsepower? My car has only got 300hp, it makes up in weight, which I chose for handling rather than straight line speed. The only car using raw horsepower here is the BTR, the others are all rather weak on horsepower in comparation to most normal track cars. And oh yeah, if the race was won in a straight line, the Elise wouldn't be more than a second quicker than the BTR and RX-8, or almost a second quicker than the NSX. My car was the slowest accelerating out of the top 4, and it certainly holds it's own. Of course the Elise beats me in corners and a straight line, it just hammers :)
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No one said you had lots of power. I was referring to know one. Just simply making a statement to maf.
 
OK :)

Despite some not being fast enough, each car is simply awesome to drive, good work everyone. 👍 I'm having a ball.:dopey:
 
Awesome may be a stretch, some have proven to be a handful when you really dig into 'em, and I mean really dig at them, not just chip at the potential, but they are all relatively fast, to say the least

But I do agree with what you said earlier, that some could of been better, and some just needed a slight tweak too, I've also found that the ones I didn't think would be impressive, are, and vise-virsa with other's :odd:
 
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At the moment, the NSX is 0.1sec quicker, but I think the NSX can go a little faster.



Correct me if I'm wrong, but very race in the world is based on who can go the fastest. You should have gone the K's Mafs, it would have been better.
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Tried it with K's with same specs. If you like wheelspin everywhere on Citta then that was the car to drive. I wanted a decent ride, so I chose the Q's. ;)

Did I mention that your Slowvia Silvia sounds more like a rotary than RJ's rotary does? :odd: It's not about choosing a car to win though, it's about choosing a car you like and making it win. Otherwise I'm sure everyone would be in Caterhams an we'd all look like knobs :lol:
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Compared to Touge Monster S2K, my car beats it, that's what mattered. :cool: My car is on par with the S2K when it came to PWR, so I think my car did well. ;)
 
Eventually I will, I'm still working on finalizing scores, typing up the reviews, up by Friday maybe if things go smooth
 
all this negative talk to my BTR is scaring me now :(
I donmt think its overpowered at all, I can use the power to move the car in the corners very well. It does however have the worse brakes ever.
 
I'm posting my results today if I can, and Mafs, your car does not beat the Touge Monster, not in my hands.
 

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