The next tuner challenge..

[mafia_boy]

I'm posting my results today if I can, and Mafs, your car does not beat the Touge Monster, not in my hands.

38.0 my foot!! You've got to be kidding me on that time. 38.0 were my slow times to T1!! It was faster than the S2K head to head.

*shakes head* Alright, whatever. You want to downgrade it do it as this is starting to be BS to me with both my entries in the bottom 1/4 so far. I know the Silvia's got pace as I've won the El Capitan enduro with it in that exact spec!!

Atleast I know the CZ-3 has the power and pace to keep up with anything, 11sec 1/4 miles make sure of that.

 

[VTiRoj]

Just noticed the times and scores. My NSX-R is 2nd fastest losing only to Snyp's Elise (is that thing powered by rocket fuel?) and .1 faster than the Garaiya. Although I'm 3rd score-wise because the Garaiya has 1 more point.

Mafs, winning the El Capitan endurance is impressive, and shows your car can run consistantly fast, but endurance races aren't won by hotlapping, which is what these sector times basically are, hotlaps.

 

[mafia_boy]

I'm just waiting for Kent to actually put his 5c into the judging.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

38.0 my foot!! You've got to be kidding me on that time. 38.0 were my slow times to T1!! It was faster than the S2K head to head.

*shakes head* Alright, whatever. You want to downgrade it do it as this is starting to be BS to me with both my entries in the bottom 1/4 so far. I know the Silvia's got pace as I've won the El Capitan enduro with it in that exact spec!!

Atleast I know the CZ-3 has the power and pace to keep up with anything, 11sec 1/4 miles make sure of that.

Alright just calm down, I'll re-drive your car in case I made a typo on my written sheet. I know I have the power level right, I checked that.

I'm seriously considering dropping my Garaiya back 1pt, to a tie with Roj, because the only reason I gave that point was because my ASL seems easier to use, especially the brakes. Someone help me out here

Edit: The best I got your car to was a 37.792 Mafs, I'm sorry but I can't drive it faster than that. I'll give you 2 extra points and if that puts you up a spot I'm not sure. 2 points extra coming up. What times were you getting if I may ask, in both your car and the Touge Monster?

Edit 2: Check my judges post again guys, and check post #28 as well for clarification. That should please Mafs and Roj, not that I did it for them. Just some reflection.

Edit 3: So when the understeer was cured through different driving in Maf's car it jumped up to 8th. I've now posted all the reviews no worries guys. And before anyone complains about where I ranked you I'll say one more time there is some heavy and heated competition in here.......maybe you should try driving the cars ranked above you before criticising me.

 

[Skygrasper550]

is my AE86 the slowest of the bunch?? i thought speed & lap times weren't that much important.., N4HS, maybe you just got used to fast cars..,

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

is my AE86 the slowest of the bunch?? i thought speed & lap times weren't that much important.., N4HS, maybe you just got used to fast cars..,

It is the slowest, but you didn't come last in case you haven't noticed. But speed still plays a role. 4th fastest came last. Your car was good, just the others were better.

I'll make this clear people. Everyone entered excellent cars IMO, just some are more excellent than others.

 

[VTiRoj]

Edit 2: Check my judges post again guys, and check post #28 as well for clarification. That should please Mafs and Roj, not that I did it for them. Just some reflection.
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I wasn't complaining actually. But okay, I understand your reasons. 👍

 

[mafia_boy]

Edit: The best I got your car to was a 37.792 Mafs, I'm sorry but I can't drive it faster than that. I'll give you 2 extra points and if that puts you up a spot I'm not sure. 2 points extra coming up. What times were you getting if I may ask, in both your car and the Touge Monster?

Edit 2: Check my judges post again guys, and check post #28 as well for clarification. That should please Mafs and Roj, not that I did it for them. Just some reflection.

Edit 3: So when the understeer was cured through different driving in Maf's car it jumped up to 8th. I've now posted all the reviews no worries guys. And before anyone complains about where I ranked you I'll say one more time there is some heavy and heated competition in here.......maybe you should try driving the cars ranked above you before criticising me.

37.792 is a bit more respectable. I was getting consistently in the 37.3 range personally due to me knowing where to turn in the car and NOT going over the bump. Touge monster was only just behind, I was getting the 37.5-37.6 range all day with it.

Also, you said you're getting wheelspin in the low speed corner....are you taking this corner in 1st or 2nd??

*added bit* I also drove a couple of other cars, Roj's NSX and the GTS-t of r34ben. Compared to the NSX my car felt better but his destroyed me in speed, and the GTS-t was wheelspinning too much for my liking.

 

[EA11R]

I've decided: I want to judge the AWD division. It's got an R34 N1 duel, a Ford RS200, a different 3000GT, a Nismo R32, a normal R32, a CZ-3, and a Storia (and a few, less interesting others). It sounds like a very diverse field, full of cars that I like! As an added bonus, there are two less entrants in AWD than in RWD, so I'll be able to do it more thoroughly than if I judged RWD. It sounds ideal to me.

Though, I'm saddened that someone replaced the CZ-3's seamless stock tranny with an FC unit. I can't remember who it is, and I don't really want to remember until I've evaluated all the cars. If I don't know whose car is whose, I can avoid any sort of bias.

Anyway, I'll probably do this this weekend.

Grrr, double 'this'...

 

[TheBook]

May as well bring this out into the open now.... As I entered a car into the AWD division, I think I'm going to judge it, too. To me, it'll be quite an experience, driving cars built by highly experienced tuners who REALLY know what they're doing and have the time to build them, too.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

37.792 is a bit more respectable. I was getting consistently in the 37.3 range personally due to me knowing where to turn in the car and NOT going over the bump. Touge monster was only just behind, I was getting the 37.5-37.6 range all day with it.

Also, you said you're getting wheelspin in the low speed corner....are you taking this corner in 1st or 2nd??

*added bit* I also drove a couple of other cars, Roj's NSX and the GTS-t of r34ben. Compared to the NSX my car felt better but his destroyed me in speed, and the GTS-t was wheelspinning too much for my liking.

Not wheelspin- oversteer. Oversteer at the hairpin. The GTS-t felt like it handled extremely well, but yeah no LSD and the wheels spun too much. I think you'll find Roj's NSX is a bit more wild but can corner faster.

 

[mafia_boy]

Well, it IS a drifter turned touge Holdenboy. But you should've been able to overcome it very easily, it was meant to oversteer into the corner but not out of it.

Atleast you got into the 37's with it, that's the 1st and foremost thing. Give it to Pyrelli, I reckon he'd get 36's with his driving prowess!!

 

[VTiRoj]

I think you'll find Roj's NSX is a bit more wild but can corner faster.

Its all about the cornering speed.

I might drive a few cars when I get home, I have 3 or 4 of them built up already.

Imagine Pyrelli in my NSX-R, the Garaiya or the Elise... ...34, maybe 33seconds?

 

[Skygrasper550]

Its all about the cornering speed.

I might drive a few cars when I get home, I have 3 or 4 of them built up already.

Imagine Pyrelli in my NSX-R, the Garaiya or the Elise... ...34, maybe 33seconds?

you're exaggerating way too much.., about 35 will do 👍.., man, if only i knew the Mugen S2000 had a CF hood, i would have entered it instead of the 86..,

 

[VTiRoj]

you're exaggerating way too much.., about 35 will do 👍.., man, if only i knew the Mugen S2000 had a CF hood, i would have entered it instead of the 86..,

Simply taking the 3 fastest cars from holden's testing here:

Holden did 35.0 in my NSX-R, 35.1 in his own Garaiya, and 34.2 in the Elise, no offence to holden at all (heck, he drives my own car faster than I can in Citta ), but Pyrelli could probably knock a couple of tenths off all 3 looking at how he handled our FFs. Again, no offence meant to holden. 👍

The Mugen S2000 would of been one of the front runners I reckon, looking at how it performs, shame you didn't enter one indeed.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

I'm angry I didn't enter my NSX-R Zero. (1997 NSX Type S Zero with 358hp)

Bah, next time I'll do better. I hold out a bit of hope for the GT-R to do well, but I doubt anyone will care that it started life as the base GT-R.

 

[Skygrasper550]

The Mugen S2000 would of been one of the front runners I reckon, looking at how it performs, shame you didn't enter one indeed.

yeah, that was my biggest mistake.., *sigh*

 

[VTiRoj]

I'm angry I didn't enter my NSX-R Zero. (1997 NSX Type S Zero with 358hp)

Bah, next time I'll do better. I hold out a bit of hope for the GT-R to do well, but I doubt anyone will care that it started life as the base GT-R.

As am I, I was looking forward to the NSX battle.

My Evo8 will suck flat out, its way slower than most of the other cars in its class.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Simply taking the 3 fastest cars from holden's testing here:

Holden did 35.0 in my NSX-R, 35.1 in his own Garaiya, and 34.2 in the Elise, no offence to holden at all (heck, he drives my own car faster than I can in Citta ), but Pyrelli could probably knock a couple of tenths off all 3 looking at how he handled our FFs. Again, no offence meant to holden. 👍

The Mugen S2000 would of been one of the front runners I reckon, looking at how it performs, shame you didn't enter one indeed.

I think, and this is scary, that the Elise was the one with more potential left in it. Pyrelli was mostly quicker than me in FWD because he took a different, stranger, but better line to the hairpin. Now I've seen his secret in his videos but some cars just seem to take different lines faster meaning you really have to know how to pick a car's strengths and weaknesses, which I bet Pyrelli will. I think a 34.0/33.9 for the Elise, a 34.8/9 for the NSX and a 35.0 for my ASL from Pyrelli.

 

[Spec M]

OMG @#$% The PS2 unit they sent me doesnt work disc read error (SMH.., sigh). Uuugh the trials and tributes of ebay sellers

 

[wrcsti]

I'm angry I didn't enter my NSX-R Zero. (1997 NSX Type S Zero with 358hp)

Bah, next time I'll do better. I hold out a bit of hope for the GT-R to do well, but I doubt anyone will care that it started life as the base GT-R.

yeah, 1/2 hour before the setups were locked i remembered I had a very nice 330i which I could have entered instead of the BTR.

 

[Kent]

Pyrelli was mostly quicker than me in FWD because he took a different, stranger, but better line to the hairpin.

I just want to let you know that staying to the inside of a long turn is the proper racing line. Nothing strange about it, in fact, it's simple. The inside line of a long turn is less distance than the outside line, the shorter distance equals less time.

I think they took the skidpad test out of GT4 (though I could be wrong) so I can understand you not knowing the proper line on a long turn like the one leading up to the U-turn.

None the less, remember, the proper racing line isn't always as simple as going from the far outside to the tight inside and back to the far outside. Sometimes you've got to look back on all you've learned (or haven't learned) and think about it. 👍

Bottom line:
The "strange" line you mention is actually the proper racing line. 👍


Now that I've said that, I've got to go make sure the line I think is being used is what was actually used.

Edit:
Watched the DC5 replay... He got it right, that's the proper line (IMO). Same line I use (more or less).

 

[Rotary Junkie]

yeah, 1/2 hour before the setups were locked i remembered I had a very nice 330i which I could have entered instead of the BTR.

No, what makes it really bad is that I HAD THE CAR DONE in time...

 

[Leonidae]

this is exactly why I focused on those three cars I had chosen for the challenge way before it actually started. no regrets, no moaning "why oh why didn't I take xxxx instead of xxxxx.." also, I find it bit disturbing that some of the tuners change their reviews/points in some occasions when under pressure. in the end, it's the judges and Kent who solve outcome, but I'm still bit disappointed.

 

[Kent]

this is exactly why I focused on those three cars I had chosen for the challenge way before it actually started. no regrets, no moaning "why oh why didn't I take xxxx instead of xxxxx.." also, I find it bit disturbing that some of the tuners change their reviews/points in some occasions when under pressure. in the end, it's the judges and Kent who solve outcome, but I'm still bit disappointed.

Feel free to elaborate on your disappointment.
I've found this challenge to flow much like past challenges with the minor difference that we've seen videos. 👍
The use of replay video is a great tool.
Further, the video shows me not only what the car did but also what the driver was doing. That gives great weight to the opinion of the driver as a judge.
I suggest everyone takes a good look at pyrelli's evaluation. 👍

Beyond that, I also feel like the testing and judges' thread is being under-used. I don't feel like there has been a good debate/ discussion on the entries.

What I'd like to see more of is replays to support debate points. T times are also valued for their indication of what the car can do (though simply being fastest isn't enough to win the competition).

Any way, I'm headed out for now, more school work to do but I'll be around this weekend.
I'll also try to pull together a list of the entries for RWD and AWD (also, count yourself having all the time in the world for reviews and debate!).

 

[Kurei]

Ok, I've got some good news (or bad news, depending on how you look at it, addicts I'm looking to you )

I'm close to finishing the testing for FR class, so don't fret about that, but the news involves the 4WD class and weither or not I'll be able to judge it

I recently got a job offer from a local landscaping company for work through about mid-june for good money before I leave for college, and as it stands now, there's a good chance I'll be working all of my spring break next week, and most of the days after that, meaning I probably won't have the necessary time to devote towards testing the 4WD class throughly

However, If its Ok with Kent, I wouldn't mind taking a position along the lines of "Special guest Driver" or something, simply just taking the cars out for a drive or two and then reporting my initial impression of each, just no T1 times or review reports, If that's something you guys are up for 👍

Let me know what you think

 

[VTiRoj]

I wouldn't mind if you just put up initial impressions of each car, even without T1 times, at leasts its something to us to read.

Its all up to Kent though really.

Good luck with your job Kurei! :tup:

 

[Kent]

Ok, I've got some good news (or bad news, depending on how you look at it, addicts I'm looking to you )

I'm close to finishing the testing for FR class, so don't fret about that, but the news involves the 4WD class and weither or not I'll be able to judge it

I recently got a job offer from a local landscaping company for work through about mid-june for good money before I leave for college, and as it stands now, there's a good chance I'll be working all of my spring break next week, and most of the days after that, meaning I probably won't have the necessary time to devote towards testing the 4WD class throughly

However, If its Ok with Kent, I wouldn't mind taking a position along the lines of "Special guest Driver" or something, simply just taking the cars out for a drive or two and then reporting my initial impression of each, just no T1 times or review reports, If that's something you guys are up for 👍

Let me know what you think

That's perfectly fine. Good luck with the new work!

 

[mafia_boy]

So when are you actually putting your 5c into the judging Kent??

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

I just want to let you know that staying to the inside of a long turn is the proper racing line. Nothing strange about it, in fact, it's simple. The inside line of a long turn is less distance than the outside line, the shorter distance equals less time.

I think they took the skidpad test out of GT4 (though I could be wrong) so I can understand you not knowing the proper line on a long turn like the one leading up to the U-turn.

None the less, remember, the proper racing line isn't always as simple as going from the far outside to the tight inside and back to the far outside. Sometimes you've got to look back on all you've learned (or haven't learned) and think about it. 👍

Bottom line:
The "strange" line you mention is actually the proper racing line. 👍


Now that I've said that, I've got to go make sure the line I think is being used is what was actually used.

Edit:
Watched the DC5 replay... He got it right, that's the proper line (IMO). Same line I use (more or less).

I always thought of it more as a corner with tightening radius than just another long corner. On those corners you do start out a little wide and then cut into the apex. I understand racing lines, but I mis-judged the corner in Cita for something else.

this is exactly why I focused on those three cars I had chosen for the challenge way before it actually started. no regrets, no moaning "why oh why didn't I take xxxx instead of xxxxx.." also, I find it bit disturbing that some of the tuners change their reviews/points in some occasions when under pressure. in the end, it's the judges and Kent who solve outcome, but I'm still bit disappointed.

I wasn't under pressure, I just realised I made a mistake, what's the problem with that?

Feel free to elaborate on your disappointment.
I've found this challenge to flow much like past challenges with the minor difference that we've seen videos. 👍
The use of replay video is a great tool.
Further, the video shows me not only what the car did but also what the driver was doing. That gives great weight to the opinion of the driver as a judge.
I suggest everyone takes a good look at pyrelli's evaluation. 👍

All well and good if you actually have the equipment to upload replays.

Opinion Time: It seems people hate my judging even though I normaly get similar results to many others. So how many people would rather I did not judge?