The WTC 600 in Tokyo done without exploits is genuinely one of the hardest races in single player in gt7 - share your setups, tips, and cars

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Wow, okay lots of cars are totally broken for this race now. Some are still around but need tweaks. The Celica still works, the WRX Sti still works and I made some tweaks to my Ford GT '06 build to give that a run. Still a winner, but you aren't setting any lap records with it. Fortunately it is frugal with fuel and laughs at 25x tire wear. Pitted after lap 8, got 4 laps of fuel, didn't bother to change tires. Hardly any wear on them. Ran a 27:12 with a fastest lap in the 2:10's. The new physics are... interesting and will take some time to learn.

Wide body
Type B front and side aero
Custom wing
Wide wheels with wide offset

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I'm a Ferrari fan, and I've always loved the Testarossa. I played GT7 for several months before it finally showed up in the UCD about a month ago. So far I had only raced it at 700p on LeMans, but I saw @Old_Richard post yesterday about running it on Tokyo 600pp.

I couldn't modify my 700pp tune reasonably down to 600pp, so I bought a new one since thankfully it's still in the UCD, and applied his 600pp tune to it.

I don't know what it drove like at this pp before the physics update, but this was a pleasure to drive, and a fairly easy win. I went ahead and applied a few minor tweaks including a downforce adjustment, adding a Racing transmission, street suspension (I know this is not common, but made a difference in handling and didn't sacrifice too much pp) as well as custom rims with offset wide and was able to shave 30 seconds off my overall race time. I really enjoy how it feels, and I feel there is more time to be shaved off with some more minor tweaking.

My modified tune is below for all you Tokyo 600 enthusiasts in case you want to try it. My fastest lap was in the high 2:08s. @Tommy_D I'm curious to see if you can post 2:07s with it

You need to add custom rims with offset wide as well as a Custom Wing

Also, not shown - after setting the transmission max to 300 kph, I set final gear to 3.032

One other note. This car chews up the rear tires. I pit for new tires and about a half a tank of fuel after lap 7.

Enjoy!
 

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luv2drive
My fastest lap was in the high 2:08s. @Tommy_D I'm curious to see if you can post 2:07s with it
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I'll give it a shot tonight. I have never driven this car. I own it, but haven't driven it so it's good to know it's a contender for this race.

Regarding this track, have you all got gold in the circuit experience for this track? I finally got gold last night on Sector 2. It took hundreds of miles on this one sector alone to finally get gold. The rest of the sectors and the one lap attack were simple by comparison.
 
luv2drive
I'm a Ferrari fan, and I've always loved the Testarossa. I played GT7 for several months before it finally showed up in the UCD about a month ago. So far I had only raced it at 700p on LeMans, but I saw @Old_Richard post yesterday about running it on Tokyo 600pp.

I couldn't modify my 700pp tune reasonably down to 600pp, so I bought a new one since thankfully it's still in the UCD, and applied his 600pp tune to it.

I don't know what it drove like at this pp before the physics update, but this was a pleasure to drive, and a fairly easy win. I went ahead and applied a few minor tweaks including a downforce adjustment, adding a Racing transmission, street suspension (I know this is not common, but made a difference in handling and didn't sacrifice too much pp) as well as custom rims with offset wide and was able to shave 30 seconds off my overall race time. I really enjoy how it feels, and I feel there is more time to be shaved off with some more minor tweaking.

My modified tune is below for all you Tokyo 600 enthusiasts in case you want to try it. My fastest lap was in the high 2:08s. @Tommy_D I'm curious to see if you can post 2:07s with it

You need to add custom rims with offset wide as well as a Custom Wing

Also, not shown - after setting the transmission max to 300 kph, I set final gear to 3.032

One other note. This car chews up the rear tires. I pit for new tires and about a half a tank of fuel after lap 7.

Enjoy!
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Hey luv2drive... I thought I'd try going back to sport hard tyres since the update has improved traction.
This was the result.....

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luv2drive
My modified tune is below for all you Tokyo 600 enthusiasts in case you want to try it. My fastest lap was in the high 2:08s. @Tommy_D I'm curious to see if you can post 2:07s with it
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Your setup on one run, fastest lap into low 2.08, optimal time would be 2.07 for me.
Though I didnt like how the car drives, I made it into what I prefer: a no stop car - but with pits it was faster by 6 seconds in the total run in comparison. Tyres werent as much of a problem (used sports medium) but it needs too much fuel to pull a bit of speed.
Pits run ~ 26m40s (missed crb, because I didnt expect the sports brake to be this much weaker than racing brakes on the very first turn)
no pits run ~ 26m46s (accidently including crb)
 
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The engine swapped Focus RS detuned and with SM is still a leisurely no pit win even with FM1 on the new patch. I can manage low 2:10s for a ~27min total.
 
Ran a 26:54 with a fastest lap of 2:08.415. I really wish this car had an option for front aero. The front end feel is so vague in this car and I tried so many different suspension settings, tire changes, weight placement, etc. It's all very vague. But that 2:08.4 was very close to my PB in testing which was a 2:08.2 so I'm happy about that. I do like that pitting after lap 7 leaves the last 5 laps completely open with no one ever getting in your way. For a first try it's not bad. I still am getting used to this new driving physics and my braking points are not consistent just quite yet.

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Ran the Porsche 904 and it's a heck of a fun car to drive. It dances and slides around the turns. Chucking it in to the chicane as it is right at the edge of grip then rotating it back over and somehow managing to maintain a perfect race line is a thing of beauty.

Ran a 26:54 no stopper on FM1. Fastest lap of 2:09.518. Aero front and rear with 18" wide/wide wheels.

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Meythia
I was going for "less weight, less power" but stayed on the mediums.
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What were your suspension settings? It looks like you kept your tires in really good shape and still carried a good amount of speed through the turns.
 
Tommy_D
Ran the Porsche 904 and it's a heck of a fun car to drive. It dances and slides around the turns. Chucking it in to the chicane as it is right at the edge of grip then rotating it back over and somehow managing to maintain a perfect race line is a thing of beauty.

Ran a 26:54 no stopper on FM1. Fastest lap of 2:09.518. Aero front and rear with 18" wide/wide wheels.

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Now I know what I'm doing when I wake up! Also gonna try the 959 at Tokyo. Had fun running it around GV tonight.
Tommy_D
Ran a 26:54 with a fastest lap of 2:08.415. I really wish this car had an option for front aero. The front end feel is so vague in this car and I tried so many different suspension settings, tire changes, weight placement, etc. It's all very vague. But that 2:08.4 was very close to my PB in testing which was a 2:08.2 so I'm happy about that. I do like that pitting after lap 7 leaves the last 5 laps completely open with no one ever getting in your way. For a first try it's not bad. I still am getting used to this new driving physics and my braking points are not consistent just quite yet.

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So I tried out your Testarossa tune on SH. Ran a 26:56 but my fastest lap was in the 2:10s.

But then I tried something. I took my tune that I posted earlier with the SM tires and applied your gearing to it. I ran a 26:43, with a couple of laps in the 2:08s. Ironically, and to your point earlier about trying to find the "right" suspension, this is why I stuck with "Sport Suspension". With any suspension you have to get used to it, and now that I've driven several laps with that tune I find it really smooth, responsive, and controllable overall. By not using custom suspension, I don't get the PP penalty and I'm able to get more power. I think that accounts for the difference in time.

I'd be willing to bet if you tried the same setup you'd improve your time as well - plus, the SM tune is definitely less squirrelly in the wet - at least for me. Less risk of putting it into the wall if you get a little aggressive. But who knows? At some point it comes down to driving style as well :)

I will say this as well with regard to the new physics. I do find them more realistic, and definitely easier to recover when you start to lose traction. Others have mentioned this in the physics thread.

Now... on to have some fun with the new Porsches!
 
Tommy_D
Ran the Porsche 904 and it's a heck of a fun car to drive. It dances and slides around the turns. Chucking it in to the chicane as it is right at the edge of grip then rotating it back over and somehow managing to maintain a perfect race line is a thing of beauty.

Ran a 26:54 no stopper on FM1. Fastest lap of 2:09.518. Aero front and rear with 18" wide/wide wheels.

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Hmm nice, gonna have to give it a go later. I'd also recommend to not to not try and put race tires on this car for the WTC700 Le Mans race. Car just spins off way too easily, I think it being lightweight, even the max aero can't handle it. But it will probably be a good choice for Tokyo, which gives you more room to balance the car out with front ballast too 🧐
 
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Have they re-instated the guaranteed clean race bonus for this race, or do you still lose it if the AI brake checks you and you go into the back of them?
 
breeminator
Have they re-instated the guaranteed clean race bonus for this race, or do you still lose it if the AI brake checks you and you go into the back of them?
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Same CRB rules apply as before. Just don't touch the AI and don't cross the white lines at the hairpin. Supposedly call cars that came after the v1.27 update aren't allowed to wall ride, but I'm not a wall rider so I haven't tested that personally.

With all the cars that I have posted in the past few days, it's super easy to avoid the AI. They barely are in the race for you and you just aren't fast enough to be lapping them.
 
Ran a tune for the Ford GT '17. 27:01 with a fastest lap of 2:09.169. It's an okay car. 27 minutes isn't anything special. I'll post the tune if anyone is interested, but I really want to find some cars that can run low 2 minute lap times. See if we can get in to the low 26 minute or high 25 minute range without wall riding.
 
Mazda RX500
17" wide/wide wheels
No aero available

26:26 No stop FM1 (ran out of fuel 50m before the finish). Fastest lap 2:08.695. Ran in to lapped traffic at the hairpin on lap 11. Slippery car like the Porsche 904 but slightly less stable because no downforce.
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Tommy_D
Ran the Porsche 904 and it's a heck of a fun car to drive. It dances and slides around the turns. Chucking it in to the chicane as it is right at the edge of grip then rotating it back over and somehow managing to maintain a perfect race line is a thing of beauty.

Ran a 26:54 no stopper on FM1. Fastest lap of 2:09.518. Aero front and rear with 18" wide/wide wheels.

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Great car, totally agree with your assessment! It's great that the car is so light there's no need for a pit.

I followed the same pattern as the Testarossa. SM tires with high downforce give plenty of grip, then "Street Suspension" so I didn't need to add any ballast, and as a result the car is lighter and faster on the straights (0.7 sec faster 0-0.62 miles). Ended up with a 26.45,

samppa_944
Hmm nice, gonna have to give it a go later. I'd also recommend to not to not try and put race tires on this car for the WTC700 Le Mans race. Car just spins off way too easily, I think it being lightweight, even the max aero can't handle it. But it will probably be a good choice for Tokyo, which gives you more room to balance the car out with front ballast too 🧐
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I don't think it's possible to get this car up to 700pp, is it? (Maybe with Racing tires - did you try it?)

Anyway, time to switch gears and try out the RS5 on Sardegna and Spa
 
luv2drive
Great car, totally agree with your assessment! It's great that the car is so light there's no need for a pit.

I followed the same pattern as the Testarossa. SM tires with high downforce give plenty of grip, then "Street Suspension" so I didn't need to add any ballast, and as a result the car is lighter and faster on the straights (0.7 sec faster 0-0.62 miles). Ended up with a 26.45,



I don't think it's possible to get this car up to 700pp, is it? (Maybe with Racing tires - did you try it?)

Anyway, time to switch gears and try out the RS5 on Sardegna and Spa
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No, you only get it up to 665-670pp or so.
 
Tommy_D
26:26 No stop FM1 (ran out of fuel 50m before the finish). Fastest lap 2:08.695. Ran in to lapped traffic at the hairpin on lap 11. Slippery car like the Porsche 904 but slightly less stable because no downforce.
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Not far off, was running on mediums and is doing without pits, maybe can be faster on hards if there is potential for more power, havent checked that yet.
Car feels like "an octopus" to use some famous words.
 
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Ugg, been trying the Porsche 959 and it's the most infuriating car I've ever ran at this track. Finally managed a measly 27:04 out of it with a best lap at 2:08.685. The back end of this car weighs so damn much that it oversteers as you trail brake through those fast esses after the chicane. You have to be both on the gas and the brake to not upset the car's suspension too much or else you understeer your way into a wall. Notice how I mentioned both understeer and oversteer when describing this car's handling characteristics? Yeah, it's a handful.

What is sad is that I thought this car had promise. My early testing had it hit 213mph on the straight but that was with sport hard tires. It massively understeers with those tires. Sport mediums are required and you have to do full weight reduction them add full ballast to the front to even remotely come close to a 50/50 weight distribution. This helps a lot with the ass coming out on you under braking, but this requires you to lower overall engine output and messes with your straight line speed.

So far I have not found a car that can come even remotely close to a 2 minute lap time. My best was the 959 in testing with a 2:07.
 
The 959 is fast, but the rear stepping out on braking is the Achilles' Heel. SM tires and stock aero, I even copied the specs of the 959S and it sits within 600 pp.

2:08 is possible, but it eats the rear tires because of that braking issue.

The DP-100 can get into 2:04s now because the new PP adjustments allowed me to increase power, but it still is frugal and no-stop.

The tire wear ramps up the challenge for sure. Lightweight cars on SMs are still safe to use.
 
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The engine swapped Cupachino is still fast without wall riding but requires multiple stops now. I start IM for 2 laps then go to RS stopping on laps 7, and 10. Race time is 24:50-25:00, I suspect I will find a little more time soon, maybe try RM and 1 less stop. The physics change slowed the car a little, about a second or 2 per lap. The track also seems different, drier the first half of the lap but it seems the wet lasts longer going thru the last S turn.
 
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The 959 is fast, but the rear stepping out on braking is the Achilles' Heel. SM tires and stock aero, I even copied the specs of the 959S and it sits within 600 pp.

2:08 is possible, but it eats the rear tires because of that braking issue.

The DP-100 can get into 2:04s now because the new PP adjustments allowed me to increase power, but it still is frugal and no-stop.

The tire wear ramps up the challenge for sure. Lightweight cars on SMs are still safe to use.
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I'm not having any problems with the braking on the 959 with SM tires. My LSD is set at 10/25/28. I have rear downforce at 233, so that may be helping grip, but impeding top speed. My fastest lap (in the race) is 2:09.x with an overall time just under 27:00.

I find the 904 and Testarossa to be faster than the 959 on Tokyo. ~15 seconds faster (in my hand) with a couple 2:08.x laps .
 

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