The Xbox One Thread - One X & One SXBOne

[Luminis]

Rumours and "leaks". That is literally all they have to go on.

Again. Quelle suprise!

. Also if person who intially leaked next Xbox dev kit specs gets raided by FBI then I think it is likely for it to genuine don't you think?

Are you talking about the leak that happened over 8 months ago? Compared to the fairly recent leaks of the PS4? The one that mentions the Durango dev kits to run Intel CPUs and NVIDIA GPUs? That leak? That's what the guy who tried to sell said dev kit said, at least.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Again. Quelle suprise!

Are you talking about the leak that happened over 8 months ago? Compared to the fairly recent leaks of the PS4? The one that mentions the Durango dev kits to run Intel CPUs and NVIDIA GPUs? That leak? That's what the guy who tried to sell said dev kit said, at least.

That could well have initial specs and he also said MIcrosoft will be targeting eight-core CPU at time. This is more up to date leak: Link

 

[Luminis]

So, in other words, we don't even know for (somewhat) sure whether the Durango will be running an Intel or AMD CPU, but you'd be willing to base your assumption that the PS4 is more powerful around that? Ooookay.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

From what Im seeing, that shouldnt be too difficult. Nintendo is out of the way, and the new Xbox wont have a 12-18 month head start while selling for $200 less.

This gen PS4 will launch at the same time with a similar price, a bigger power gap then the PS3 had over the 360, improved network that is free, optional GaiKai, and continued dominance of great exclusive games (MS losing Halo/Bungie will hurt them alot).

At this point why buy a 720? For gears and Forza? Thats not very impressive, considering Gears is starting to wear out its welcome and Forza has to deal with Gran Turismo.

When Microsoft announces the 720 they better show alot of new games exclusive for the system. If not at the reveal then at E3. I mean, if Im going to deal with garbage like pay to play online and the scam that is MS points, it better be worth my while.

PS4 hasnt been confirmed as free online yet. In fact you will most likely have to pay to play PSN next gen.

Halo 4, 5, and 6 are already confirmed so Halo is far from lost. Halo 4 is actually doing VERY well with 343 in command instead of Bungie. In fact H4 is the best Halo created IMO.

I still feel Forza is miles ahead of GT but there are other threads for that.

Xboxlive is way better than PSN so that alone is well worth keeping a 360.

Both consoles will be very close in power just like they were with the 360 and PS3.

Your other comments have been addressed by other members.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

So, in other words, we don't even know for (somewhat) sure whether the Durango will be running an Intel or AMD CPU, but you'd be willing to base your assumption that the PS4 is more powerful around that? Ooookay.

I think at this stage it will be a huge shock if it is Intel as AMD looks like the direction both Sony and Microsoft Sony have taken. Intial dev kits were pretty much PCs, now they are getting to their custom stage, with Sony only probably releasing a unified memory dev kit recently and leaks so far have been quite correct. I would think the same will go for next Xbox as it is closer to what you would imagine for a final design like the PS4 had become, everything now a lot more integrated. Now not just a typical PC setup and we are also closing in on potential release dates.

 

[Luminis]

I think at this stage it will be a huge shock if it is Intel as AMD looks like the direction both Sony and Microsoft Sony have taken. Intial dev kits were pretty much PCs, now they are getting to their custom stage, with Sony only probably releasing a unified memory dev kit recently and leaks so far have been quite correct. I would think the same will go for next Xbox as it is closer to what you would imagine for a final design like the PS4 had become, everything now a lot more integrated. Now not just a typical PC setup and we are also closing in on potential release dates.

Yeah, it is unlikely to be Intel, I agree with that.

Thing is, we do (seemingly) know a lot more about the PS4 and its dev kits than about the Durango if people can't even say for what CPU it'll use. I mean, if the performance figures are based on something that was leaked eight months ago, running an Intel CPU instead of somethign based on AMD's Jaguar - aren't these figures pretty much meaningless?

 

[sesselpupser]

PS4 hasnt been confirmed as free online yet. In fact you will most likely have to pay to play PSN next gen.

I have to ask: What are you basing this on? Countering speculation with more speculation doesn't help anyone. If we're talking likelihood, it's most likely that Sony will continue to have a free service alongside a paid service, this speculation is based on the fact that that's how it is now and Sony hasn't gone under because of providing a free service.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

That's the whole idea behind a loss leader strategy: Sell at a loss, crush the competition, generate profits afterwards.

Like I mentioned before, it is very unrealistic and the specs given will most likely crush themselves.

Latest AMD technology would also include a Pildedriver-based CPU. We already know the consoles aren't going to be stuffed with the best of the best. Sony also voiced its intentions to have the PS4 profitable right from the starts. If MS doesn't care about that, they'd be operating with entirely different limitations than Sony.

Piledriver CPU would be not what they will be using even if they wanted most powerful CPU, it would be more Steamroller which would be the latest technology but Jaguar is what they seem to be using and that is latest technology for the entry level CPU, something that will come out only later this year. It is all about getting best performance per watt and the right thermals and costs.

Current figures suggest that sales aren't increasing, though. Which is why I'm saying that a lot hinges on a succesful launch of the PS4. Which might or might not happen, hard to say, really.

It will really depend on if market is ready for new console or not. Given the interest so far, I think it will be sold out quite a bit in its early launch.

It's pretty normal for a publisher to hold the license of a franchise (same thing with Halo, really), so I wouldn't be so quick to say that.

It might be a little too costly now to buy out the franchise.

Yeah, it is unlikely to be Intel, I agree with that.

Thing is, we do (seemingly) know a lot more about the PS4 and its dev kits than about the Durango if people can't even say for what CPU it'll use. I mean, if the performance figures are based on something that was leaked eight months ago, running an Intel CPU instead of somethign based on AMD's Jaguar - aren't these figures pretty much meaningless?

There is a lot of detail about next Xbox and at the moment, it is looking very similar to PS4, if not identical regarding CPU.

 

[Luminis]

I doubt they're going for a pay to play service, either. It's one of the big plusses Sony has for the PS4 - as lots of people are always keen to point out.

 

[LaBounti]

Gears of War is developed by Epic Games and published by Microsoft, so it's going to stay exclusive to MS. SAme goes for Halo, as MS holds the Halo license.

Who published Mass Effect? I know I know, but still.

Xboxlive is way better than PSN so that alone is well worth keeping a 360

That doesn't mean anything to someone that doesn't play online much or at all. Being forced to pay for gold to use Netflix should be a crime. With that, SEN>XBL gold>XBL silver for non online gamers and streaming video users. PS Plus has been a better value for me as it allows me to play games for free and it carries over to my PS Vita to get more free games on that. And I can watch my paid video subscriptions without paying to access my paid internet.

I had Xbox live 2005-07 but I was paying for something with zero value if I didn't use it. Xbox Live has perks, not practicality. My interest in the next xbox is like your's with PS4. It's going to take a miracle to get me to buy one now. Graphics nor price won't do it.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

PS4 hasnt been confirmed as free online yet. In fact you will most likely have to pay to play PSN next gen.

Halo 4, 5, and 6 are already confirmed so Halo is far from lost. Halo 4 is actually doing VERY well with 343 in command instead of Bungie. In fact H4 is the best Halo created IMO.

I still feel Forza is miles ahead of GT but there are other threads for that.

Xboxlive is way better than PSN so that alone is well worth keeping a 360.

Both consoles will be very close in power just like they were with the 360 and PS3.

Your other comments have been addressed by other members.

Whether it is free or not, will probably play a big role on success of both PS4 and next Xbox. I hope it is free.

PSN you have to remember will be transformed by Gaikai to be the fastest gaming network in the world. Strong claim but given Gaikai they had made the fastest network in the world, I think they can follow that up. The chat features will be coming to PS4 too, probably get option for full friend list chat given extra power.

Regarding console power, it is at the moment, looking while quite a big difference between the two.

 

[Luminis]

Like I mentioned before, it is very unrealistic and the specs given will most likely crush themselves.

Of course, that's why I'm saying it's a bit early to start announcing that Sony's gonna have the more powerful console.

Piledriver CPU would be not what they will be using even if they wanted most powerful CPU, it would be more Steamroller which would be the latest technology but Jaguar is what they seem to be using and that is latest technology for the entry level CPU, something that will come out only later this year. It is all about getting best performance per watt and the right thermals and costs.

Steamroller is set to release somewhere in the middle of 2014, making it pretty much a non-factor. Also, as the limitations of cost are being altered, more options become available. Intels CPUs are known to offer better efficiency in terms of performance per watt, for example.

It will really depend on if market is ready for new console or not. Given the interest so far, I think it will be sold out quite a bit in its early launch.

I'll be honest: I can't tell. GTP isn't really something I'd go by, as it's not very representative of the general public and I haven't heard a word about either console from anyone I know IRL.

It might be a little too costly now to buy out the franchise.

If the license isn't already with Microsoft, that is.

There is a lot of detail about next Xbox and at the moment, it is looking very similar to PS4, if not identical regarding CPU.

And we've had all sorts of rumours, from Intel CPUs to 4.2 TFLOPS internals to a Jaguar-based CPU similar to the PS4's. Also, if the CPU is pretty much identical and it used a similar, yet slightly more powerful CPU, how would it be outputting almost 50% less FLOPS than the PS4? The difference between GDDR5 and DDR3 for RAM won't be accounting for that. If you were indeed right and the "leaked" specs were correct, it'd most likely mean that those 1.2 vs. 1.8 TFLOPS numbers are faulty.

Way to many things that don't check out to be certain of which console is going to provide more computing power, really.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

Whether it is free or not, will probably play a big role on success of both PS4 and next Xbox. I hope it is free.

PSN you have to remember will be transformed by Gaikai to be the fastest gaming network in the world. Strong claim but given Gaikai they had made the fastest network in the world, I think they can follow that up. The chat features will be coming to PS4 too, probably get option for full friend list chat given extra power.

Regarding console power, it is at the moment, looking while quite a big difference between the two.

The chat feature will be a massive improvement for PS4 for sure. Its such a pain in the butt to communicate with others on the PS3. I am very very spoiled with the xboxlive 8 party chat system. So that will be interresting for sure to see how well that works on PS4 because right now, I cant stand trying to communicate on the PS3. Halo and Forza are also the 2 main reasons I have stuck with the 360. Also the Gears series. Well along with the 8 player party chat.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Of course, that's why I'm saying it's a bit early to start announcing that Sony's gonna have the more powerful console.

Leaked information I am going by at the moment, it seems the case. Only E3 and beyond will me know better.

Steamroller is set to release somewhere in the middle of 2014, making it pretty much a non-factor. Also, as the limitations of cost are being altered, more options become available. Intels CPUs are known to offer better efficiency in terms of performance per watt, for example.

Steamroller could have been a factor, like technology in Xbox GPU only came to ATI graphics a year or so later after release IIRC.

I know Intel are quite a bit better but that is where costs come in and also design. I think that is when Sony maybe had a word with Nvidia too but Intel and Nvidia would have had to priced themselves at quite a loss intially which is unlikely for them to do. This is where AMD's advantage comes in, they can build a system on chip and also make use of unified memory. Performance per watt will then start favouring them a bit and costs and design of console will be heavily favouring them.

I'll be honest: I can't tell. GTP isn't really something I'd go by, as it's not very representative of the general public and I haven't heard a word about either console from anyone I know IRL.

I am not using GTP as thing to go by but interest in actual retail shops

If the license isn't already with Microsoft, that is.

Well only thing I have seen regarding it is Epic saying they own the IP.

And we've had all sorts of rumours, from Intel CPUs to 4.2 TFLOPS internals to a Jaguar-based CPU similar to the PS4's. Also, if the CPU is pretty much identical and it used a similar, yet slightly more powerful CPU, how would it be outputting almost 50% less FLOPS than the PS4? The difference between GDDR5 and DDR3 for RAM won't be accounting for that. If you were indeed right and the "leaked" specs were correct, it'd most likely mean that those 1.2 vs. 1.8 TFLOPS numbers are faulty.

Way to many things that don't check out to be certain of which console is going to provide more computing power, really.

It is GPU the difference, something like custom 7770 / 8770 vs 7850 / 8850. That source has checked out so far regarding PS4, will see regarding next Xbox soon.

The chat feature will be a massive improvement for PS4 for sure. Its such a pain in the butt to communicate with others on the PS3. I am very very spoiled with the xboxlive 8 party chat system. So that will be interresting for sure to see how well that works on PS4 because right now, I cant stand trying to communicate on the PS3. Halo and Forza are also the 2 main reasons I have stuck with the 360. Also the Gears series. Well along with the 8 player party chat.

I think at the moment, I am most interested in if Microsoft or Sony are going to charge to play online and also for some of these features.

 

[Samus]

That rumour is as good as any one of us making things up. The ones leaked of PS4 and next Xbox look genuine. PS4 so far has turned out to be true. Also if person who intially leaked next Xbox dev kit specs gets raided by FBI then I think it is likely for it to genuine don't you think?

At the moment, specs are probably not finalised so we will see at E3 but I believe the current leaked specs are true, given the detail and relative source, you would think currently PS4 is quite a bit more powerful.


Something you are going on too.

Except i'm not the one making assumptions and predictions based on those rumours.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Except i'm not the one making assumptions and predictions based on those rumours.

So what is this assuming there being a Blu-ray drive then in the next Xbox and seeming more sure about it given the leaked info.

 

[Samus]

I made that assumption based on common sense, not rumours. I didn't seem more sure about it given the leaked info, nothing changed. It made absolute sense that the next console would have a BR drive because DVDs are now too small, HD-DVD is dead and a digital only console would be suicide in 2013. The only small possibility was a "proprietary" drive like Nintendo.

You two however are deciding which machine is more powerful and how much they're going to cost based on rumours.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

I made that assumption based on common sense, not rumours. I didn't seem more sure about it given the leaked info, nothing changed. It made absolute sense that the next console would have a BR drive because DVDs are now too small, HD-DVD is dead and a digital only console would be suicide in 2013. The only small possibility was a "proprietary" drive like Nintendo.

You two however are deciding which machine is more powerful and how much they're going to cost based on rumours.

Well nothing is confirmed so anything can be sure as they want, as all they are doing is predicting what is going to be in console .

Also I am sure you have speculated before like on a patent which you misread: Link

Also final part about us making predictions based on rumours, well that is quite common on a discussion board. If people predicted things after knowing prices and specs which is likely after E3, then guess what it won't be really a prediction. If people waited for concrete facts on everything from source or say event to finish, there will be a lot less discussions on forums around the world.

 

[Earth]

Here, I can link you to some rumours, too.

And thats pretty much the only website that says the 720 is more powerful

Why would Halo be iffy? It should be common knowledge by now that the name is what matters, not the game. Second, Forza trumps GT as long as GT isn't actually released.

It wont last long going off of name alone. Final Fantasy XIII and XIV werent safe from harsh criticism because of their names. Many now question the future of the series after those two critical flops.

GT5 sold more then Forza 3 and Forza 4 combined.

Did any of that cause as much of a stir as Skyrim's? Genuine question, by the way.

I dont know about the Skyrim situation, but I do know the PS4 will get exclusive Assasins Creed 4 and Destiny content.

It would be if it wasn't for a slight difference. Kinect sold well. Move didn't.

And the Wii sold better then everything before tanking. Motion control fads can be here today and gone tomorrow. Microsoft is foolish for investing so much into them. Even if the console starts off selling strong because its relying on the "casual" market it could easily crash just as hard as the Wii did. And it wont have the Wii's novelty or price to help it surge to a huge lead

Gamer's fed up with FPS titles? Tell that to CoD's sales. Second, the PS3 has a 7% lead in terms of market share in Europe. Is that getting stomped to you? or do you want it to be "getting stomped"? What you are right about, though, is that the 360 is basically a non-factor in Japan. Some say that the Japanese are a bit more nationalist with their purchases, but that's just a rumour I've heard a few times.

A 7% lead in European market share? The PS3 has sold almost 6 million more consoles then the 360 despite being released 16 months later. Thats 20% more consoles (28.88M vs 23.1M)

The following European sale numbers show the stomping

2007 Europe
PS3: 3,418,517
360: 2,026,633

+41% PS3

2008 Europe
PS3: 4,171,686
360: 3,926,838

+6% PS3

2009 Europe
PS3: 4,801,065
360: 3,339,303

+30% PS3

2010 Europe
PS3: 5,317,220
360: 4,089,727

+23% PS3

2011 Europe
PS3: 5,773,324
360: 4,155,149

+28% PS3

2012 Europe
PS3: 4,747,822
360: 2,932,781

+38% PS3

http://www.vgchartz.com/

Like I said, theres enough first person shooter lovers in the United States to hold the console up by themselves despite how poorly it sales in comparison almost everywhere else in the world.

Why would they if it's generating a nice amount of cash for them? They'd habe to be pretty darn dumb to do away with the subscriptions, wouldn't they?

Also, yay for social features, that's what a gaming network needs Or are you talking about stuff like cross party chat, which XBL has been doing for years?

Xbox Live No Longer the Gold Standard - Why Xbox Live Gold Should Not Return in the Coming Generation

Theres a game informer article by the editor thats really old where he blasts the MS points system, exposing it for the scam that it is.

Get rid of forced subscriptions and vastly increase your relation status with consumers. As it stands only EA is hated more then Microsoft. If they want to clean up their image they can start by doing something that at least pretends they're not interested in every nickel in your pocket.

Never cared for cross party chat. Streaming of live gameplay is actually something for me to care about

Looking at some of your points, I wonder where you even found any sort of data that would support your points.

A combination of data, trends, and intuition

PS4 hasnt been confirmed as free online yet. In fact you will most likely have to pay to play PSN next gen.

Halo 4, 5, and 6 are already confirmed so Halo is far from lost. Halo 4 is actually doing VERY well with 343 in command instead of Bungie. In fact H4 is the best Halo created IMO.

I still feel Forza is miles ahead of GT but there are other threads for that.

Xboxlive is way better than PSN so that alone is well worth keeping a 360.

Both consoles will be very close in power just like they were with the 360 and PS3.

Your other comments have been addressed by other members.

I doubt Sony will just throw away one of the biggest aces in up their sleeves, free online, just to sucker a few more bucks from gamers. Halo 5 and 6. Im so excited. I really, really hate all these sequels in the game industry. I wish Metal Gear Solid would just go away already. Im so tired of Snake. Never played the Halos but Im tired of seeing Master Cheif's face.

As for the consoles being closer in power, how do you come to that conclusion? Most rumors point to the PS4 having many across the board advantages over the 720, and pretty much no advantages for the 720. With PS3 vs 360 which was stronger was tricky. The eventual consensus was the PS3 had more potential, but it would be hard to bring out. Its different with the PS4 though, as the console not only appears to be outright more powerful then the 720, it will probably be easier to program for too thanks to the 8GBs of GDDR5 without the hassle of ESRAM

I made that assumption based on common sense, not rumours. I didn't seem more sure about it given the leaked info, nothing changed. It made absolute sense that the next console would have a BR drive because DVDs are now too small, HD-DVD is dead and a digital only console would be suicide in 2013. The only small possibility was a "proprietary" drive like Nintendo.

You two however are deciding which machine is more powerful and how much they're going to cost based on rumours.

"Common sense" is more reliable then leaked sources, as you say "rumors"? Common sense says the Kinect shouldnt be required. Common sense says theres no reason to force full game installs to the HDD. Common sense says the PS4 should at least support some PSN titles.

Why does common sense say the bluray drive in the 720 was so necessary? PC gaming still doesnt require bluray. Microsoft could have been just fine with shipping the games on 2-3 DVDs and asking the user to install all of them while just using one disc to play with. Thats the way things work on PC, it could have happened in the console world too. Afterall, the rumor is the disc drive does not read the games at all after installation, rendering it useless once the install is complete.

 

[Tornado]

I hope you realize that "more websites said this one rumor then said this other rumor" doesn't actually mean anything. Like... at all.

 

[Luminis]

And thats pretty much the only website that says the 720 is more powerful

Because other website re-reporting the same rumour changes what? It's all coming from a single, unnamed source, anyways.

It wont last long going off of name alone.

Unless it is actually good - which might happen, regardless of who the developer is.

GT5 sold more then Forza 3 and Forza 4 combined.

See, games are able to sell by their name alone. You've just delivered proof of that

I dont know about the Skyrim situation, but I do know the PS4 will get exclusive Assasins Creed 4 and Destiny content.

Only news I could find about Assassin's Creed on the next-gen consoles talks about how it will have exclusive content compared to the current consoles. Is Destiny even confirmed for the next Xbox?

And the Wii sold better then everything before tanking. Motion control fads can be here today and gone tomorrow. Microsoft is foolish for investing so much into them. Even if the console starts off selling strong because its relying on the "casual" market it could easily crash just as hard as the Wii did. And it wont have the Wii's novelty or price to help it surge to a huge lead

The Wii made Nintendo a bucketload of cash. The biggest loser in that regard is Sony, who entirely failed to capitalize on the fad (as opposed to MS and Nintendo). Plus, Kinect doesn't actually replace traditional controls (which is what the Wii does).

A 7% lead in European market share? The PS3 has sold almost 6 million more consoles then the 360 despite being released 16 months later. Thats 20% more consoles (28.88M vs 23.1M)

You don't know what market share is, huh? No problem, but let me tell you that, when comparing market share, every competing product is included.

Like I said, theres enough first person shooter lovers in the United States to hold the console up by themselves despite how poorly it sales in comparison almost everywhere else in the world.

I wonder what you're thinking of the Vita sales then

Besides: That does bode well for MS, then, I assume. Because they couldn't possibly **** this up.

Xbox Live No Longer the Gold Standard - Why Xbox Live Gold Should Not Return in the Coming Generation

It never was the Gold Standard and any PC gamer should know that much. It doesn't need to be the Gold Standard to be better than PSN, though.

Theres a game informer article by the editor thats really old where he blasts the MS points system, exposing it for the scam that it is.

Get rid of forced subscriptions and vastly increase your relation status with consumers. As it stands only EA is hated more then Microsoft. If they want to clean up their image they can start by doing something that at least pretends they're not interested in every nickel in your pocket.

Last time I checked, EA was rivaled by a few companies when they were awarded with the Title of Worst Company in America - and none of their competitors was Microsoft. I also generally see much more hate towards Activision or Ubisoft.

Never cared for cross party chat. Streaming of live gameplay is actually something for me to care about

And some folks (me included) do care more about cross party chat than being able to have someone watch me messing around in a given game. Jsut the thought of not being able to get in touch with a friend on, say, Steam just because we're playing different games boggles my mind

A combination of data, trends, and intuition

Yeah, right. More like "predetermination".

 

[Robin]

Next Xbox logo leaked on Twitter? No way to verify if its real but it has stirred up some news sites.

I'm not a fan but it does looks reasonably legit fitting in with the whole 'metro-fication' MS has been doing with all its products logo's. Looks like the old 'X' error icon you got in Windows XP when bad things happened.

 

[Samus]

Doubt it, as you say it looks like the error icon with a random extra triangle.

 

[TokoTurismo]

IMO that triangle in the X ruins it...

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

Hopefully that is not the new logo. So bland. Oh well a logo is a logo. Really the least of my concerns.

 

[dice1998]

That X reminds me of crossed over bandages.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

That X reminds me of crossed over bandages.

Maybe its to cover up the 3 RROD from the previous gen 360 console.

 

[Luminis]

Looks kinda crappy and uninspired... Then again, so does the current one.

 

[Slash]

Looks kinda crappy and uninspired... Then again, so does the current one.

No one thought that when it came out. But yeah i agree this new one is totally "meh".

 

[Ddrizle]

Seems the announcement scheduled for next month has been pushed to May 21st. Last minute changes ala X360 ram increase? We shall see