The Xbox One Thread - One X & One SXBOne

[Samus]

Then why did everyone argue with me? I guess just those without common sense.

To be blunt, yes.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Now people will FINALLY quit arguing with me when I say the next xbox WILL have a blu ray player. It was confirmed a long time ago and I have been saying that for a long time BUT I was not allowed to post my source.

With that open public confirmation, I can now explain why I am much more interrested in the next xbox. With the next xbox having blu ray, I dont even see myself getting a PS4 at all. The only main reason I even own a PS3 is for blu ray.

The Blu-Ray drive was shown on specifications for a while now on that website. We just know more about how it will be used.

Microsoft seem to targeting the casual market a lot, so if Kinect does not wow, I see it struggling quite a lot unless they have got some exciting stuff up their sleeve and Sony shoot themselves in the foot a bit.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

Kinect is with each console but it doesnt mean you have to buy Kinect games. There are games on the 360 that allow you to use Kinect if you have it, but you dont need to. Some people seem to be freaking out about it on each console. But really, its just thrown in with the package and you wont be forced to use it. I have no interrest in it at all, but since I dont have to use it, it doesnt bother me. It would be like someone bringing Kinect to your house right now and giving it to you for free. You dont have to use the feature, but its there if you change your mind.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

The thing will be the pricing though. If the next Xbox costs similar to the PS4 with a lot less graphics power and costs money to play online and if PS4 doesn't then I would think a lot of 360 core gamers would move to the PS4. Will be interesting to see E3 though where probably final details will be shared.

 

[Luminis]

The thing will be the pricing though. If the next Xbox costs similar to the PS4 with a lot less graphics power and costs money to play online and if PS4 doesn't then I would think a lot of 360 core gamers would move to the PS4. Will be interesting to see E3 though where probably final details will be shared.

Rumours have been suggesting otherwise, though, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Rumours have been suggesting otherwise, though, if I'm not mistaken.

There has been only one other rumour that it might have AMD 8800 series graphics. We don't know if mobility or desktop. The GPU in the leaked dev kits seem to have a lot less graphics power. E3 should finally tell us both for Sony and Microsoft, finalised specs.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

The thing will be the pricing though. If the next Xbox costs similar to the PS4 with a lot less graphics power and costs money to play online and if PS4 doesn't then I would think a lot of 360 core gamers would move to the PS4. Will be interesting to see E3 though where probably final details will be shared.

The 360 has been outselling the PS3 after all these years and the 360 has paid subscription AND does not have a blu ray player. They are close but 360 has the lead.

Adding a blu ray player to the next xbox is going sell a LOT more next xbox systems. Quite a few people including myself only bought the PS3 for the blu ray player. If the 360 had a blu ray player it would have destroyed the PS3 sales by a longshot. I guarantee the next xbox outsells the PS3 over time by a significant amount. These 2 consoles are not going to be anywhere close in sales next gen especially if they both release at the same time. You can even keep this quote and use it for later. But the next xbox will be much more successful next gen with this blu ray player. We will know even more at E3 when they release the rest of the info for the next xbox.

You do make a good point about the price. Since they are throwing in Kinect, that better not effect the price. The PS4 and next xbox need to be the same price. There is NO reason the next xbox should cost more than the PS4. If anything the next xbox should cost a little less since they charge for xboxlive.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

The 360 has been outselling the PS3 after all these years and the 360 has paid subscription AND does not have a blu ray player. They are close but 360 has the lead.

Adding a blu ray player to the next xbox is going sell a LOT more next xbox systems. Quite a few people including myself only bought the PS3 for the blu ray player. If the 360 had a blu ray player it would have destroyed the PS3 sales by a longshot. I guarantee the next xbox outsells the PS3 over time by a significant amount. These 2 consoles are not going to be anywhere close in sales next gen especially if they both release at the same time. You can even keep this quote and use it for later. But the next xbox will be much more successful next gen with this blu ray player. We will know even more at E3 when they release the rest of the info for the next xbox.

You do make a good point about the price. Since they are throwing in Kinect, that better not effect the price. The PS4 and next xbox need to be the same price. There is NO reason the next xbox should cost more than the PS4. If anything the next xbox should cost a little less since they charge for xboxlive.

The PS3 has been outselling the 360 for quite a number of years. Reason why 360 is ahead is it was released earlier.

If they added a Blu Ray player to the 360 then I would think the PS3 would have won comfortably because the side effects for Microsoft would have been to release at similar time to PS3 and also at a higher price than if they stuck to DVD. Given how successful PS2 was, they needed to be first.

My estimate at the moment is from what is known and some assumptions, PS4 will probably win a large margin that even Microsoft might do another console release. A more educated guess could be done at E3 and especially after consoles have been launched as there could be some secret sauce yet to be announced from both sides.

Pricing wise Sony should be able to be really competitive. Additional Kinect costs could favour Sony a lot.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

The PS3 has been outselling the 360 for quite a number of years. Reason why 360 is ahead is it was released earlier.

If they added a Blu Ray player to the 360 then I would think the PS3 would have won comfortably because the side effects for Microsoft would have been to release at similar time to PS3 and also at a higher price than if they stuck to DVD. Given how successful PS2 was, they needed to be first.

My estimate at the moment is from what is known and some assumptions, PS4 will probably win a large margin that even Microsoft might do another console release. A more educated guess could be done at E3 and especially after consoles have been launched as there could be some secret sauce yet to be announced from both sides.

Pricing wise Sony should be able to be really competitive. Additional Kinect costs could favour Sony a lot.

The PS3 is not outselling the 360. We already went through this. It only outsold the 360 for a very short time and the 360 is back ahead again. Which is quite impressive when you consider the 360 charges for online and the 360 doesnt have a blu ray player. (The 2 top selling points for the PS3) The next gen xbox vs PS wars wont be anywhere near as close.

 

[Luminis]

If anything the next xbox should cost a little less since they charge for xboxlive.

Given that Microsoft could afford to go with a loss leader strategy, it'd seem higjly unlickely that they're not going to keep the price below the PS3's.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

The PS3 is not outselling the 360. We already went through this. It only outsold the 360 for a very short time and the 360 is back ahead again. Which is quite impressive when you consider the 360 charges for online and the 360 doesnt have a blu ray player. (The 2 top selling points for the PS3) The next gen xbox vs PS wars wont be anywhere near as close.

Since 2007, every year the PS3 has been outselling Xbox 360 and I think this year, they went ahead first time worldwide. Considering PS3 cost more to buy at retail and 360 had a year headstart, that is quite impressive. I also expect battle between consoles not be to as close. I think Microsoft have handed Sony a lifeline at the moment which Sony can utilise to get back to PS2 strengths again. I was worried that Microsoft will try and destroy Sony in this market, but given leaked info, opposite thing might be happening instead.

 

[Luminis]

Since 2007, every year the PS3 has been outselling Xbox 360 and I think this year, they went ahead first time worldwide.

That's cool and all. However, Sony has yet to catch up to the worldwide total of Xbox360 consoles. Plus, the 360 turned profitable a lot earlier than the PS3. Also, let's not forget that Microsoft and Sony do business besides consoles.

Microsoft reported a revenue of 17 billion in 2012. Sony reported a loss of, what, 5 billion?

Outselling the Xnox360 by a small margin isn't going to cut it. And they'll have to seriously out-do the next Xbox.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

That's cool and all. However, Sony has yet to catch up to the worldwide total of Xbox360 consoles. Plus, the 360 turned profitable a lot earlier than the PS3. Also, let's not forget that Microsoft and Sony do business besides consoles.

Microsoft reported a revenue of 17 billion in 2012. Sony reported a loss of, what, 5 billion?

Outselling the Xnox360 by a small margin isn't going to cut it. And they'll have to seriously out-do the next Xbox.

It has gone ahead officially as far as I know worldwide. It could have been a terrible flop for Sony but it has recovered itself which is the main thing but I am more interested in how strong next consoles are and at the moment it is looking like a very positive impact for Sony, Microsoft much less so.

Sony are period of restructuring. It gives time for Sony to grow in this market now and get its strong leader status back and in a decades time I reckon Sony will be strong financially again in most of their markets that they depend on.

If that is all Micrsoft did in revenue then that is extremely low but I guess you wrote the wrong word there. I don't know the figures though for both and at the moment, can't be bothered to check. I am interested in the gaming side more. First year of console release, only then will really know what is going to happen in this market, but I am confident that PS4 will be strong regardless of what Microsoft will be doing for the next Xbox.

 

[Earth]

And they'll have to seriously out-do the next Xbox.

From what Im seeing, that shouldnt be too difficult. Nintendo is out of the way, and the new Xbox wont have a 12-18 month head start while selling for $200 less.

This gen PS4 will launch at the same time with a similar price, a bigger power gap then the PS3 had over the 360, improved network that is free, optional GaiKai, and continued dominance of great exclusive games (MS losing Halo/Bungie will hurt them alot).

At this point why buy a 720? For gears and Forza? Thats not very impressive, considering Gears is starting to wear out its welcome and Forza has to deal with Gran Turismo.

When Microsoft announces the 720 they better show alot of new games exclusive for the system. If not at the reveal then at E3. I mean, if Im going to deal with garbage like pay to play online and the scam that is MS points, it better be worth my while.

 

[Luminis]

and at the moment it is looking like a very positive impact for Sony, Microsoft much less so.

You base that on what? The rumour that the Xbox might end up with a 8800-derivate GPU whereas the PS3 goes with a 7800-derivate?

Sony are period of restructuring. It gives time for Sony to grow in this market now and get its strong leader status back and in a decades time I reckon Sony will be strong financially again in most of their markets that they depend on.

Given its BB- rating, it seems that analysts aren't as optimistic about Sony as you are. That's basically a junk rating, you know? And that was before Sony announced a 15% decrease in sales by their gaming devision last month.

If that is all Micrsoft did in revenue then that is extremely low but I guess you wrote the wrong word there.

I did, it was 17 billion of net income. My bad.

From what Im seeing, that shouldnt be too difficult. Nintendo is out of the way, and the new Xbox wont have a 12-18 month head start while selling for $200 less.

The headstart is out, sure. A lower pricepoint not necessarily. As I said, loss leading might very well be viable for MS.

This gen PS4 will launch at the same time with a similar price, a bigger power gap then the PS3 had over the 360, improved network that is free, optional GaiKai, and continued dominance of great exclusive games (MS losing Halo/Bungie will hurt them alot).

Where are you guys getting the "PS4 will be more powerful than the ´Nextbox" from? I'd seriously like to know because, again, from what rumours I've encountered, it'd seem to be the other way around. Furthermore, when did they lose Halo? Bungie or not, they've got the Halo license.

At this point why buy a 720?

Gears, Forza, Halo, temporary exclusive DLC, Kinect, Controller layout - just as many reasons to go with the Nextbox as there are to go with the PS4, as far as I can tell.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

You base that on what? The rumour that the Xbox might end up with a 8800-derivate GPU whereas the PS3 goes with a 7800-derivate?

The 7800 or 8800 won't make too much of a difference, as most likely the GPUs are custom of what latest technology AMD have and the intial GPUs in dev kits are just off the shelf stuff either could get from AMD intially. If the only know leaked specs are true that it will have only 1.2TFlops vs PS4's 1.84 TFlops, it will have a big impact on success on console especially if sold at similar price. If multiplatform games run at either half the framerate or resolution or detail to say PS4, it won't be an option that many I think would take up. Like I said, only say after E3 will we be able to make a more educated guess. I don't think anything has been truly finalised yet on both sides so there could still be some surprises.

Given its BB- rating, it seems that analysts aren't as optimistic about Sony as you are. That's basically a junk rating, you know? And that was before Sony announced a 15% decrease in sales by their gaming devision last month.

That is how it might be now but I am talking about the future and there has a lot of streamlining of the business going on which will start showing in the next few years.

I did, it was 17 billion of net income. My bad.

OK.


About Gears of War, that might even come to PS4 and with Destiny (Bungie Multi-platform) on PS4, Xbox might have even less things going for it.

 

[Samus]

This gen PS4 will launch at the same time with a similar price

Citation required.

a bigger power gap then the PS3 had over the 360,

Citation required.

improved network that is free,

Citation required.

and continued dominance of great exclusive games (MS losing Halo/Bungie will hurt them alot).

At this point why buy a 720? For gears and Forza? Thats not very impressive, considering Gears is starting to wear out its welcome and Forza has to deal with Gran Turismo.

Opinion =/= Fact.

 

[Luminis]

The 7800 or 8800 won't make too much of a difference, as most likely the GPUs are custom of what latest technology AMD have and the intial GPUs in dev kits are just off the shelf stuff either could get from AMD intially. If the only know leaked specs are true that it will have only 1.2TFlops vs PS4's 1.84 TFlops, it will have a big impact on success on console especially if sold at similar price. If multiplatform games run at either half the framerate or resolution or detail to say PS4, it won't be an option that many I think would take up. Like I said, only say after E3 will we be able to make a more educated guess. I don't think anything has been truly finalised yet on both sides so there could still be some surprises.

There have been rumours about the next Xbox achieving somewhere around 4.2 TFLOPS. So, the whole assumption that the PS4 will be more powerful is actually based on... Nothing. Quelle suprise! Also, the Xbox's GPU being based on a newer generation than the PS4's not making much of a difference? What?

That is how it might be now but I am talking about the future and there has a lot of streamlining of the business going on which will start showing in the next few years.

Those ratings aren't only based on the status quo but also on how analyst prognose the future of a given company. It generally shows a company's capablity to pay back loans a potential investor would be hadning out - which inherently takes future development into account.

Sony is in the process of restructuring, yes. They're starting to react to the losses they've had over the last, what, five years? Six? More than that? I really don't know. Whether the restructuring is going to have a significant, positive impact on their business result remains to be seen. Wouldn't be the first business related decision they've taken that flopped, which is why I'm a bit suprised by the optimistic attitude.

About Gears of War, that might even come to PS4 and with Destiny (Bungie Multi-platform) on PS4, Xbox might have even less things going for it.

Gears of War is developed by Epic Games and published by Microsoft, so it's going to stay exclusive to MS. SAme goes for Halo, as MS holds the Halo license.

 

[Earth]

Where are you guys getting the "PS4 will be more powerful than the ´Nextbox" from? I'd seriously like to know because, again, from what rumours I've encountered, it'd seem to be the other way around. Furthermore, when did they lose Halo? Bungie or not, they've got the Halo license.

Rumors keep saying 1.2 tflops vs 1.84 tflops, and 32 rops vs 16 rops, 18GCN cores vs 12. Also 8GBs of GDDR5 is better then 8GBs of GDDR3 sped up by the ESRAM.

To add insult to Microsoft’s injuries, fresh rumors are circulating regarding Durango’s spec. Apparently the machine is woefully underpowered compared to PS4, with some now saying they don’t expect Microsoft to even talk raw tech when it announces the machine. Conversely, Sony’s finding it easy to shrug off its reputation for creating expensive, obtuse hardware, with PlayStation 4 being a powerful, cheap console that’s easy to work with; exactly the strategy Microsoft used to launch Xbox 360.

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Gears, Forza, Halo,

Sony has plenty of exclusive games to counter Gears, like Killzone and Uncharted. Halo without Bungie is very iffy. Forza at best only equals Gran Turismo.

temporary exclusive DLC,

Sony has its own fair share of that

Kinect,

Thats like saying the PS move is a big advantage for Sony. And IMO the PS move is way better for gaming then the kinnect.

Controller layout

Oh man, I held that awful thing (360 pad) a few days ago at a department store. I had to check and make sure I wasnt holding an off brand controller after messing with the awful Dpad and bizarre analogue stick layout. Yeah it had the nice triggers, but thats about it.

- just as many reasons to go with the Nextbox as there are to go with the PS4, as far as I can tell.

If there is, then why do I see even less reasons? The Xbox basically lives off the North American shooter market. The 360 gets stomped pretty badly in Japan and Europe where first person shooters arent as big. With "gamer fatigue" possibly affecting future Gears titles, as well as no Bungie to make more Halo games, their bread and butter could be severely weakened.

I want to get the Xbox, but Microsoft appears to be doing nothing to get my business. It appears they're going after the casuals this gen, and could care less about attracting Playstation gamers.

Sony knows they are behind Xbox live in some areas, so with the PS4 they're promising new and powerful social features like streaming of gameplay. Microsoft knows many people hate the pay to play online, and many gaming journalists from reputable places like gamespot and Gameinformer have all spoken out against and called for the end of pay to play online as well as MS points, but have they done anything about it? No.

Citation required.



Citation required.



Citation required.



Opinion =/= Fact.

Those are conclusions I have reached after studying all the data available.

 

[Samus]

In other words you have no source and pulled all of that out of your rear. Rumours =/= Truth.

 

[Earth]

In other words you have no source and pulled all of that out of your rear. Rumours =/= Truth.

So Michael Pachter's predictions about the 720 based on "rumors" is just stuff he pulled out of his rear?

Its called making educated predictions after analyzing all the facts and supported/reliable rumors and comparing it to trends from the past

You just sound hurt and are basically putting your fingers in your ears and saying "you have no proof". 👎

 

[Samus]

Michael Pachter is an idiot. The world doesn't need "analysts" like him and yes, anything he has said is based on rumours. Just like all the talk about PS4 blocking used games was based on rumours.

As for me sounding hurt, no. You're the one who was convinced the next Xbox wouldn't have a Blu Ray drive, not me. How has that "educated prediction" worked out for you?

 

[Saidur_Ali]

There have been rumours about the next Xbox achieving somewhere around 4.2 TFLOPS. So, the whole assumption that the PS4 will be more powerful is actually based on... Nothing. Quelle suprise! Also, the Xbox's GPU being based on a newer generation than the PS4's not making much of a difference? What?

Just read that now, if them specs are true then either Microsoft are going to sell at a huge loss or price themselves a lot higher. However don't worry about them specs as they seem quite funny as it is very unrealistic.

Like I said before, latest AMD technology will most likely used by both. There is quite a bit of custom stuff going on and PS4 GPU has features that AMD will have for first time with 8000 series and beyond as well as features custom for it. Only way for Microsoft to outdo Sony is to go for a more expensive graphics chip. They will both most likely be made at 28nm node too. That is why I am not really worried as currently PS4 is probably at realistic thermal, costs and performance limit for a console that has to be competitive in its market. This link says a lot from AMD too.

Those ratings aren't only based on the status quo but also on how analyst prognose the future of a given company. It generally shows a company's capablity to pay back loans a potential investor would be hadning out - which inherently takes future development into account.

Sony is in the process of restructuring, yes. They're starting to react to the losses they've had over the last, what, five years? Six? More than that? I really don't know. Whether the restructuring is going to have a significant, positive impact on their business result remains to be seen. Wouldn't be the first business related decision they've taken that flopped, which is why I'm a bit suprised by the optimistic attitude.

This is just one credit rating agency and they have said it will be a slow recovery. I am saying a decade later which I think is long enough to start showing any improvements. Less costs and more sales is the aim of Sony by their current strategy and I am optimistic it will be successful.

Gears of War is developed by Epic Games and published by Microsoft, so it's going to stay exclusive to MS. SAme goes for Halo, as MS holds the Halo license.

It is up to Epic games to choose whether on not if they want Microsoft to be the publisher. I know Microsoft owns the Halo IP.

 

[sesselpupser]

Michael Pachter is an idiot.

Word.

 

[Luminis]

Rumors keep saying 1.2 tflops vs 1.84 tflops

Here, I can link you to some rumours, too.

Sony has plenty of exclusive games to counter Gears, like Killzone and Uncharted. Halo without Bungie is very iffy. Forza at best only equals Gran Turismo.

Why would Halo be iffy? It should be common knowledge by now that the name is what matters, not the game. Second, Forza trumps GT as long as GT isn't actually released.

Sony has its own fair share of that

Did any of that cause as much of a stir as Skyrim's? Genuine question, by the way.

Thats like saying the PS move is a big advantage for Sony. And IMO the PS move is way better for gaming then the kinnect.

It would be if it wasn't for a slight difference. Kinect sold well. Move didn't.

Oh man, I held that awful thing (360 pad) a few days ago at a department store. I had to check and make sure I wasnt holding an off brand controller after messing with the awful Dpad and bizarre analogue stick layout. Yeah it had the nice triggers, but thats about it.

You touched something made by Microsoft and didn't combust instantly? I imagined it to be similar to a demon touching the bible or something. Anyways, it doesn't need to have the generally better layout to be chosen, it just need to appeal better to someone. I, for one, wouldn't go back to a Dual Shock after using the 360 pad. Too small for me, plus having the d-pad in the most natural resting position of my thumb annoyed be - cause I tend to use the stick more often.

If there is, then why do I see even less reasons?

Brand loyality?

The Xbox basically lives off the North American shooter market. The 360 gets stomped pretty badly in Japan and Europe where first person shooters arent as big. With "gamer fatigue" possibly affecting future Gears titles, as well as no Bungie to make more Halo games, their bread and butter could be severely weakened.

Gamer's fed up with FPS titles? Tell that to CoD's sales. Second, the PS3 has a 7% lead in terms of market share in Europe. Is that getting stomped to you? or do you want it to be "getting stomped"? What you are right about, though, is that the 360 is basically a non-factor in Japan. Some say that the Japanese are a bit more nationalist with their purchases, but that's just a rumour I've heard a few times.

I want to get the Xbox, but Microsoft appears to be doing nothing to get my business. It appears they're going after the casuals this gen, and could care less about attracting Playstation gamers.

You know, reading some of your posts, I'd assume that folding three 100 dollar bills into the next Xbox's disc tray wouldn't get you to buy one

Sony knows they are behind Xbox live in some areas, so with the PS4 they're promising new and powerful social features like streaming of gameplay. Microsoft knows many people hate the pay to play online, and many gaming journalists from reputable places like gamespot and Gameinformer have all spoken out against and called for the end of pay to play online as well as MS points, but have they done anything about it? No.

Why would they if it's generating a nice amount of cash for them? They'd habe to be pretty darn dumb to do away with the subscriptions, wouldn't they?

Also, yay for social features, that's what a gaming network needs Or are you talking about stuff like cross party chat, which XBL has been doing for years?

Those are conclusions I have reached after studying all the data available.

Looking at some of your points, I wonder where you even found any sort of data that would support your points.

You just sound hurt and are basically putting your fingers in your ears and saying "you have no proof".

Which happens to be true.

Just read that now, if them specs are true then either Microsoft are going to sell at a huge loss or price themselves a lot higher. However don't worry about them specs as they seem quite funny as it is very unrealistic.

That's the whole idea behind a loss leader strategy: Sell at a loss, crush the competition, generate profits afterwards.

Like I said before, latest AMD technology will most likely used by both. There is quite a bit of custom stuff going on and PS4 GPU has features that AMD will have for first time with 8000 series and beyond as well as features custom for it. Only way for Microsoft to outdo Sony is to go for a more expensive graphics chip. They will both most likely be made at 28nm node too. That is why I am not really worried as currently PS4 is probably at realistic thermal, costs and performance limit for a console that has to be competitive in its market. This link says a lot from AMD too.

Latest AMD technology would also include a Pildedriver-based CPU. We already know the consoles aren't going to be stuffed with the best of the best. Sony also voiced its intentions to have the PS4 profitable right from the starts. If MS doesn't care about that, they'd be operating with entirely different limitations than Sony.

This is just one credit rating agency and they have said it will be a slow recovery. I am saying a decade later which I think is long enough to start showing any improvements. Less costs and more sales is the aim of Sony by their current strategy and I am optimistic it will be successful.

Current figures suggest that sales aren't increasing, though. Which is why I'm saying that a lot hinges on a succesful launch of the PS4. Which might or might not happen, hard to say, really.

It is up to Epic games to choose whether on not if they want Microsoft to be the publisher. I know Microsoft owns the Halo IP.

It's pretty normal for a publisher to hold the license of a franchise (same thing with Halo, really), so I wouldn't be so quick to say that.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Here, I can link you to some rumours, too.

If you read the update to the article, you can see the more realistic specs. Source got PS4 right to what was current at time too. The 4.2TFlops rumour is quite funny when you actually read the specs.

 

[Earth]

Michael Pachter is an idiot. The world doesn't need "analysts" like him and yes, anything he has said is based on rumours. Just like all the talk about PS4 blocking used games was based on rumours.

As for me sounding hurt, no. You're the one who was convinced the next Xbox wouldn't have a Blu Ray drive, not me. How has that "educated prediction" worked out for you?

The PS4 used game rumor was backed by very real patents that Sony decided not to use. It wasnt mentioned by "sources" to actually be present in the PS4, people just saw the patents and freaked. Maybe people are seeing how all the 720 games have to be completely installed on and run off the HDD. Based on that, they may assume this is a measure Microsoft is taking to stamp out used games, or to help enforce always online. Not enough of a hunch to say for sure, but it makes it a possibility.

I said based off of Microsoft's past trends, it wouldnt have a bluray drive. Now that we know they are pushing it as a multi-media all in one box, they have to include the drive for Blu-ray movies.

Im not always right and in the case of the bluray drive in the Xbox I had hoped I wasnt right, I mentioned that some time ago.

 

[Luminis]

If you read the update to the article, you can see the more realistic specs. Source got PS4 right to what was current at time too. The 4.2TFlops rumour is quite funny when you actually read the specs.

See, that's the point. Rumours do collapse fairly easy, don't they?

This also contradicts the rumour of the more powerful GPU being at work in the Durango. It's all just a lot of guesswork, which is why I'm a bit suprised to see you folks claiming the PS4 to be more powerful - when there's contradiciting rumours, at best.

You and Earth, you seem so confident about the PS4 being the better console - makes me wonder how you came to that conclusion. My sole reason for taking the Xbox's side, actually (of you can call it that), as I'll be pretty much uninvolved in the next console generation, anyways

 

[Samus]

You and Earth, you seem so confident about the PS4 being the better console - makes me wonder how you came to that conclusion.

Rumours and "leaks". That is literally all they have to go on.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

See, that's the point. Rumours do collapse fairly easy, don't they?

This also contradicts the rumour of the more powerful GPU being at work in the Durango. It's all just a lot of guesswork, which is why I'm a bit suprised to see you folks claiming the PS4 to be more powerful - when there's contradiciting rumours, at best.

You and Earth, you seem so confident about the PS4 being the better console - makes me wonder how you came to that conclusion. My sole reason for taking the Xbox's side, actually (of you can call it that), as I'll be pretty much uninvolved in the next console generation, anyways

That rumour is as good as any one of us making things up. The ones leaked of PS4 and next Xbox look genuine. PS4 so far has turned out to be true. Also if person who intially leaked next Xbox dev kit specs gets raided by FBI then I think it is likely for it to genuine don't you think?

At the moment, specs are probably not finalised so we will see at E3 but I believe the current leaked specs are true, given the detail and relative source, you would think currently PS4 is quite a bit more powerful.

Rumours and "leaks". That is literally all they have to go on.

Something you are going on too.