The Xbox One Thread - One X & One SXBOne 

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It's just idiots being idiots. I've got to admit, though, personal preference will make some folks more sensitive to idiots hailing from one group than to idiots hailing from another.

As demonstrated by a few posts above and below yours but I guess that's why it is called flamebait, to 'lure' them in :lol:

Anyway, back to the subject in hand. Is anyone else interested to hear more about the 'DVR Tuner'? I normally don't like to deal in rumours and speculation but this one has me intrigued. The only three possibilities I can think of is....

IPTV type service?
DVB tuner built into the system?
Some sort of pass through using HDMI in?

It definitely has some potential as far as I am concerned, some more so than others regarding the three possibilities I could think of but still, looking forward to hearing more.
 
I do think it's gonna be something like IPTV. You know, turning the console into a media hub and whatever... :indiff:

That's by far my least favoured option too :nervous: . But I ask myself why would it be listed in the hardware (I think?) and hold on to some hope. 👍
 
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Gutted Speed machine has been banned,lost a valuable member seeing as you know he has seen the new XBOX :( Boooooo

I was wondering why he was so quiet.
 
Latest rumor ,300$ subscribtion Base model,500$ no subscribtion .via IGN

Same insider also confirms a required internet connection

Thurrott also shared information about the Xbox 720's reported always-online requirement. He said this a confirmed feature for the platform, claiming the system's notes specifically state that the Xbox 720 "must be Internet-connected to use."

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Destructoid also reported that MS is focusing on the TV experience. Nextbox = TV tuner? Dunno, but it looks a lot more unappealing all of a sudden, more so than the PS4.
 
What does a subscription do exactly ?

From all that I've read, it could be related to the TV DVR tuner, which has been rumored to be subscription based.

Basically you pay Microsoft $299 for the 720, but you have to sign a contract for the DVR service.

$500 for the standalone console is very disturbing, considering how underpowered it is as a gaming platform.
 
"Considering how underpowered it is as a gaming platform".

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware you were in possession of the NextBox already. Oh, right, 8GB of GDDR5 - nothing can compete with that.

Silly me.
 
Is it just me or is the fact that MS hasn't said anything and it is still two months away from E3 telling you that we won't get any straight answers from MS now if anytime soon?
 
"Considering how underpowered it is as a gaming platform".

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware you were in possession of the NextBox already. Oh, right, 8GB of GDDR5 - nothing can compete with that.

Silly me.

You're right, theres really nothing out there on the order of 8GBs of GDDR5. But besides the memory speed, theres also the GPU which is rumored to be 33%+ weaker then the PS4. Thats the difference between a GTX680 and a Radeon HD7850. In other words, its pretty big, and will be very visible in games. Microsoft's wallet will likely make 3rd party games look similar (by restricting the PS4 versions), but first part Sony games should be two or three steps ahead.

Is it just me or is the fact that MS hasn't said anything and it is still two months away from E3 telling you that we won't get any straight answers from MS now if anytime soon?

The latest date going around for the 720 reveal is May 21st, just weeks before E3.

As for the price points of $299 and $500, I think the $500 base price is a huge scam. Its basically a phone company telling you sign this contract and get the phone for $50, or dont sign it and get the phone for $300. Same scam, but this time on a console. Actually its probably worse on the 720, because I dont think the 720 is worth $500 as a pure games machine. If you buy a 720, you might as well take advantage of its expensive DVR Tuner capabilities that are built in and sign the contract.

So you have two choices, pay $500 and have expensive tech in the console you cant use or access, or sign the contract. Its really putting gamers in a box. But is Microsoft even after core gamers anymore?
 
You're right, theres really nothing out there on the order of 8GBs of GDDR5. But besides the memory speed, theres also the GPU which is rumored to be 33%+ weaker then the PS4. Thats the difference between a GTX680 and a Radeon HD7850. In other words, its pretty big, and will be very visible in games. Microsoft's wallet will likely make 3rd party games look similar (by restricting the PS4 versions), but first part Sony games should be two or three steps ahead.

Oh, so nothing concrete then?

Also, for the love of sanity, stop citing the 8GB as if it's not shared between the entire system architecture.
 
As for the price points of $299 and $500, I think the $500 base price is a huge scam. Its basically a phone company telling you sign this contract and get the phone for $50, or dont sign it and get the phone for $300. Same scam, but this time on a console. Actually its probably worse on the 720, because I dont think the 720 is worth $500 as a pure games machine. If you buy a 720, you might as well take advantage of its expensive DVR Tuner capabilities that are built in and sign the contract.

So you have two choices, pay $500 and have expensive tech in the console you cant use or access, or sign the contract. Its really putting gamers in a box. But is Microsoft even after core gamers anymore?

So how do you feel about the $299 model then? You cannot just speculate about the $500 model without giving us a little insight to what you think that one would offer you......

And don't you dare say it's too early to judge after the last few rants you have posted! :lol:
 
The $300 system after 2 years of paying for nothing then what? If it adds up to $500 you will have to keep forking over money to watch Netflix? I doubt they will keep that model.

The always online is a bigger issue. Price is the least of my concerns, I just want to see Forza 5 and a release date.
 
So Earth is still using rumours to create factual statements, how about that? What makes it even funnier is the one thing he keeps bleating on about in the PS4 is the one thing that WASN'T rumoured. But of course in his mind the same thing couldn't possibility happen with the Nextbox, the rumours for that are all 100% and final.
 
Besides, from where I'm standing, it's like watching two little boys argue who's stronger.

"I could beat you!" "No, I am stronger than you!" When in reality, you could beat them both with ease :lol:
 
Same insider also confirms a required internet connection
And as he says in the full transcript of the interview, even he doesn't know exactly what that means or the implication behind it.

"Durango is going to be expensive [laughs], you know $500, $300 for the subscription, that kind of thing, but you know, Blu-ray, blah blah blah, but the thing that interest me, going back and looking at some of the stuff I got a long time ago, it actually says 'must be internet-connected to use' in the notes. And that's all I have, but it does say that.

[Is that a bad thing?]

"I don't know because I don't know what it means. You know, when you look at some of the stories that were coming out this week about, you know, I saw a headline that said something like 'Next Xbox could be okay without an internet connection for as long as 3 minutes' or something like that. I don't even know what that means, so for me, Xbox 360 is almost entirely an online experience. Most of the games I play are multiplayer, where you're playing against other people online. Or you're using it as an entertainment device when you're connected to a service like Netflix or Xbox video, so that is an internet-connected device. In this phrase, it says 'must be internet-connected to use', you know, that suggests that you can't even boot into the UI and play—I don't know, I don't know, I don't have one.
Source - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=536163

Given the number of rumours floating around about both the Next-box and the PS4, it would be much wiser is members stuck to what is know and not post rumour and speculation as if it were fact.
 
Sounds like this Orth guy is going to be on the chopping block soon, with employees like this working for MS, who needs enemies? I have a feeling the PS4 is going to mop the floor with the Nextbox, if this is going to be their attitude towards their customers in general, then I won't be buying one. It comes off as smug and condescending because well, it is. Orth needs to put a cork in it.

Read on:


Microsoft executive to 'always-online' Xbox critics: 'Deal with it'


Following speculation that Microsoft’s hotly rumored next-generation console might feature an "always-online" requirement for its customers, one Microsoft executive has taken to the Internet in an attempt to make his case for this controversial sort of digital rights management (DRM). Or, rather, Microsoft Studios creative director Adam Orth told always-online’s detractors that they should just "deal with it."

"Sorry, I don't get the drama around having an 'always on'console," Orth tweeted early Friday morning. "Every device now is ‘always on’. That's the world we live in. #dealwithit"

"I want every device to be 'always on,' Orth went on to say, telling one vocal critic whose friends don’t have regular access to the Internet but own Microsoft’s current generation console, the Xbox 360, that they should "get with the times and get the Internet."

Fellow game industry insider Manveer Heir, who currently works as a designer on “Mass Effect” at BioWare, also took Orth to task for his response, saying that "deal with it is a sh**ty reason" and asking if Microsoft had not learned anything from the disastrous launches of "SimCity" and "Diablo III."

"Sometimes the electricity goes out. I will not purchase a vacuum cleaner," Orth said in response. "The mobile phone reception in the area I live in is spotty and unreliable. I will not buy a mobile phone."

Heir later qualified his disagreement with Orth, saying that he was a "dear friend" and "one of the good guys."

Orth’s statements on Twitter came shortly after popular gaming site Kotaku ran a story that claimed two Microsoft sources had all but confirmed that the company’s upcoming Xbox 360 successor would feature some kind of always-online requirement. This type of DRM has formed many longstanding feuds between gamers and video game publishers, most recently with the botched launch of "SimCity" and the developer’s own admission that, while the game could be run offline, it wouldn’t let gamers use it that way anyways.

Most prominent cases of unloved DRM in the video game industry have centered on individual titles such as "SimCity" and "Diablo III," or game publishers such as Ubisoft which last year decided to abandon DRM for its PC games entirely after several years of brutal spats with its players. If Microsoft does make the entire Xbox 720 device function with some sort of always-online requirement, the entire conflict over DRM will become a question of hardware, not just software. This may help game publishers like Ubisoft or Electronic Arts save face in the eyes of their most ardent fans, but placing more requirements for the “proper use” of a device on its users will undoubtedly rankle those same players — and could even come to disturb fellow game developers as well.

Orth's Twitter account has since been made private, but one enterprising NeoGAF user posted the relevant social media exchange on the forum for posterity.

When we contacted Microsoft for comment a spokesperson replied "We are aware of the comments made by an employee on Twitter. This person is not a spokesperson for Microsoft, and his personal views are not reflective of those of the company. We have not made any announcements about our product roadmap, and have no further comment on this matter."

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/ingame/microsoft-executive-always-online-xbox-critics-deal-it-1B9231940

Yannick LeJacq is a contributing writer for NBC News who has also covered games for Kill Screen, The Wall Street Journal and The Atlantic. You can follow him on Twitter at @YannickLeJacq and reach him by email atylejacq@gmail.com.
 
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Well, that was very constructive. Do you actually have a comment or are you just here to troll like you do in every other thread?

Simon isn't trolling, nor does he ever. You're the one posting old news.
 
Hm. Maybe I should've said "News that everyone who regularly reads this thread already knows about."
 
The article about the twitter/PR fap was from last Thursday, hardly "old news".

It was also discussed in this thread from post 307 onwards, the person in question has already been fired by MS.

Had you read the thread before posting you would have seen its been an ongoing discussion that you added nothing new to, as such Simon is arguably not the one 'trolling' the thread.
 
It was also discussed in this thread from post 307 onwards, the person in question has already been fired by MS.

Had you read the thread before posting you would have seen its been an ongoing discussion that you added nothing new to, as such Simon is arguably not the one 'trolling' the thread.

I can see I'm not welcome here.

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I can see I'm not welcome here.

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You post old news and then insult another member when its pointed out to you and wonder why that may be brought up as a point?

Your more than welcome here, but it would be appreciated if you would actually read the discussion in question and comment on the news that has been posted, adding your opinion and view to it based on all the information available.
 
Trolling doesn't mean what it used to, does it? I didn't know Orth got the chop though, not at all surprised.
 
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