The Xbox One Thread - One X & One SXBOne

[Famine]

The question is how much Sony charge for the PS4 specced to play BF3 (and 4) and other top end FPS games at 1080p and 60fps, not what PC can do it.

 

[Samus]

Found the details on the new 360 model, it's going to be £200 for the 250GB model....exactly the same as the current model. So, uh, what's the point. I was expecting it to be a cheaper model owing to being cheaper for them to build.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

$500 is exactly twice as much as I've ever paid for a console. Even if there was absolutely nothing else wrong with the XBone, I would be waiting for a price drop, or a used one.

HBR-Roadhog, Forza Horizon is the silkiest 30FPS game I've ever seen, enough so that I don't really notice it as I'm playing...but the moment I switch to anything 60fps it's as obvious as a smack to the face. Even on an interlaced TV, the extra frames are there, plain as day.

I'm not saying you're wrong if you can't see it, but I can, and so can all those people on the internet.

My point was that anything over 30 is acceptable in most cases. Anything over 60 is meaningless. 60 is the goal for most modern games and can be hard to reach on a console especially in 1080P. Anything faster than that doesn't really do anything for you.

 

[Wolfe]

Oh I agree completely that anything over 60fps is meaningless. 👍 But I'd rather have 60fps than 1080p or super-duper-HD textures.

 

[RACECAR]

Nope, too expensive. I'm out MS.

Same here. Never had interest to begin with, but any persuasion to get me into buying this console is just moot with that price.

 

[ASH32]

Same here. Never had interest to begin with, but any persuasion to get me into buying this console is just moot with that price.

Yes same here too. If the PS4 is a similar price I won't get one of them until the price drops. I got a PS3 at launch and it was way overpriced, I won't do the same again.

 

[LostRacer]

The $500 price point is perfect for the release . Its $100 more than the #60 was at release with newer and more refined tech. Cloud gaming and inoovating and leaves loads of creativity to be determined. DRM-I'm not really worried about. Sure if you're someone who likes to buy and sell games on a whim, you may not like whats coming. but even still, nobody outside of the MS camp is aware of the future of used games.

And just out of curiosity...How many of you actually turn your internet off? I'm sure some may due to location. But for the most part, nobody does. People just want to have something to complain about.

I liked what a I saw today from MS. All of the gameplay stuff that people were complaining were missing from their initial announcement. You've now see what more of its capabilities are AND have a proper price IMO for the tech involved. Sony has already stated that when the PS4 goes on sale, it will not be at a loss. My guess is it will either be around the same as the Xbone or possibly a little lower. But not by much.

Overall both companies are investing in big things. Fortunately for MS, not only are they invested in the product, but are invested into the community as well. The apps on Live are proof in themselves. Sure Sony has a couple of acts, but their network is nothing like XBL.

Far from a fanboi, just call it like I see it. I do own a 360 and PS3(being un-neutered as we speak). I love both of my systems. Th next gens will be great. However, I think Sony needs to do more with their network. Get the gamers involved. On every 360 game commercial there is some kind of mention of XBL. PSN ALMOST never gets mentioned. Kind of like its a secret. I really hope Sony steps its game up. MS and a decent showing and KI will be joining my library. I can put my Jamma board money towards a disc now. lol.

 

[mika haka]

Doesn't seem that expensive but having to pay for online is just something I'm not prepared to pay for on principal.

Looks like the new games will cost about £55, which is disappointing.

 

[Com Fox]

What has happened to the Xbox One, I just woke up and wandering if anything good happened?

 

[Ddrizle]

Ryse


Dead Rising 3


Titanfall

 

[Samus]

What has happened to the Xbox One, I just woke up and wandering if anything good happened?

Read a gaming website or back through this thread.

 

[Jawehawk]

The $500 price point is perfect for the release . Its $100 more than the #60 was at release with newer and more refined tech. Cloud gaming and inoovating and leaves loads of creativity to be determined. DRM-I'm not really worried about. Sure if you're someone who likes to buy and sell games on a whim, you may not like whats coming. but even still, nobody outside of the MS camp is aware of the future of used games.

And just out of curiosity...How many of you actually turn your internet off? I'm sure some may due to location. But for the most part, nobody does. People just want to have something to complain about.

I have news for you. Not everyone have access to good internet. Some, don't even have access to internet at all. In the real world, internet connection isn't always stable.

And could you imagine what would happen if Xbox Live was hacked to the same extend as PSN? Imagine that. Your gaming console, not being able to play games at all for a month. And there's no reason for this to be the case. Or rather it's not in the consumers best interest. DRM is also not in the consumers best interest.

 

[chromatic9]

One thing I notice from the Ryse game and many others and also watching the EA conference is how janky the animations still are.

 

[maxpontiac]

I have news for you. Not everyone have access to good internet. Some, don't even have access to internet at all.

Indeed. Where I live, I am lucky to have internet that runs right over the course of one day. On the weekends, things get bad and really slow.

 

[Com Fox]

Read a gaming website or back through this thread.

How far back?

 

[MXH]

And just out of curiosity...How many of you actually turn your internet off? I'm sure some may due to location. But for the most part, nobody does. People just want to have something to complain about.

No, no, no. It's not about whether you have an internet connection or not and neither is it about "people just want to have something to complain about". It's the fact that it is nothing more than just another louzy DRM restriction to ensure that they have control over the console itself and what you do with it.

Are people really this naive and gullible?

 

[Ddrizle]

 

[LostRacer]

I have news for you. Not everyone have access to good internet. Some, don't even have access to internet at all. In the real world, internet connection isn't always stable.

And could you imagine what would happen if Xbox Live was hacked to the same extend as PSN? Imagine that. Your gaming console, not being able to play games at all for a month. And there's no reason for this to be the case. Or rather it's not in the consumers best interest. DRM is also not in the consumers best interest.

In regards to the internet, that's not news for me. I'm well aware there are parts of the world with slow internet or none for that matter. However at the same time, the overall with, is the majority. Other countries are slowly upgrading as well. (Side note: If you are living somewhere and there is no internet available, the likeliness of you having a machine like this would be minimal. Resources would be apparently into something else).

Lets be "real world" about this as you put it. In the event (not likely but possible) that XBL goes down for a month and a half such as Sony did, a proper business plan would have a backup. I don't work for MS so i couldn't tell you what they'd do. But being a paid subscription I can tell you they'd be more inclined to resolve the issue as fast as possible. As far as offline play goes, until everything is revealed, I won't say anything that will be mis-construed.

As for DRM, lets talk to Sega about that and ask when their new system is coming out.

Although I was pleased to see Panzer Dagoon

 

[Mr Latte]

The question is how much Sony charge for the PS4 specced to play BF3 (and 4) and other top end FPS games at 1080p and 60fps, not what PC can do it.

So if Sony come in at £350 - £400 will it make a huge difference?
I still think people will buy the system they prefer or the exclusives they want more/most. If Sony announce £300 then yes Microsoft are in it deep but we will see.

I just totally disagree with the opinion some of you have shared that approx £400 is asking too much (at launch) for the latest gaming tech. In tech toy terms it is a realistic price and take into account a Kinect/Eye included is probably worth £80-£100 as a standalone item, gees really guys?

 

[Com Fox]

Well don't expect much Sega games for the Xbox One and PS4.

 

[Samus]

So if Sony come in at £350 - £400 will it make a huge difference?
I still think people will buy the system they prefer or the exclusives they want more/most. If Sony announce £300 then yes Microsoft are in it deep but we will see.

I just totally disagree with the opinion some of you have shared that approx £400 is asking too much (at launch) for the latest gaming tech. In tech toy terms it is a realistic price and take into account a Kinect/Eye included is probably worth £80-£100 as a standalone item, gees really guys?

Again, the beef is mainly that we're paying so much more than the US are.

Also people like me are annoyed because

"Kinect/Eye included is probably worth £80-£100 as a standalone item, gees really guys?"

We don't want those things but they're forced on us and force the price up.

 

[LostRacer]

No, no, no. It's not about whether you have an internet connection or not and neither is it about "people just want to have something to complain about". It's the fact that it is nothing more than just another louzy DRM restriction to ensure that they have control over the console itself and what you do with it.

Are people really this naive and gullible?

Naive and gullible? No. I'm also not wearing an aluminum hat. They are not out to get you. You can believe that if you want. DRM(Digitally implemented) is not new. Its just another security measure to attempt to slow down piracy and cheating in the console world.

Control of your console? Are they going to remotely be changing channels on you in the middle of a show? Or pause your game until your homework is finished? Your claims are outlandish. Is the possibility there? You bet. Is it on heir network? yep. Are they forcing you to go buy one and agree to their terms to be a part of it all? Nope. The info is out there. If you're afraid their going to take over your console(which I don't know why'd they want to) then by all means don't indulge. Did you purchase a 360? You write a scathing letter to them when you find out they could ban your mac address? I don't know how much more control you'd need.

Yes "something to complain about". Its obviously not something you like or showing any intention on purchasing, so you come in making extremist remarks that have no REAL bearing.

 

[LostRacer]

Well don't expect much Sega games for the Xbox One and PS4.

LOL. I don't. I'm still holding on to my 2 Dreamcasts

 

[kennylmao]

Xbox One out in Asia in 2014.

Lol, I don't even care about the Xbox One anyways.

One thing though, I wonder if Japan is included.

 

[Famine]

So if Sony come in at £350 - £400 will it make a huge difference?

It'd make a £30-80 difference.

I still think people will buy the system they prefer

Unfortunately that's likely to be the case.

I just totally disagree with the opinion some of you have shared that approx £400 is asking too much (at launch) for the latest gaming tech. In tech toy terms it is a realistic price and take into account a Kinect/Eye included is probably worth £80-£100 as a standalone item, gees really guys?

Yeah, you could refer to it as a standalone item if it wasn't required to be connected to your console at all times in order for it to function. In the same way a PSU is a standalone item.

And you say "latest gaming tech"... We're still not seeing any evidence of that. We're seeing lots of "in-engine" CGI of some games, some of which are crossplatform and even more CGI of concepts for games that apparently don't even have a title yet.

MS kinda gave the game away (no real pun intended) with their first attempt. It's a Smart TV box (that needs a decoded TV signal, like from one of the other boxes under your TV) that also plays some games. £430 for that is too much. And the fact it's £320 in the USA really rams that point home for you - £430 is £100 too much.

Naive and gullible? No. I'm also not wearing an aluminum hat. They are not out to get you. You can believe that if you want. DRM(Digitally implemented) is not new. Its just another security measure to attempt to slow down piracy and cheating in the console world.

Your keyword there is "attempt".

What DRM actually does is slow down the genuine consumer and harm the indie developer.

Control of your console? Are they going to remotely be changing channels on you in the middle of a show? Or pause your game until your homework is finished? Your claims are outlandish. Is the possibility there? You bet.

It's amusing that elsewhere on this forum there are people pointing out that what PRISM does is potentially invasive but nowhere near as invasive as what it could be used for. All it takes is enough people to think it's normal, suck it up and not vote against it.

Daily Required Login is a dealbreaker. You don't even have to think for 30 seconds to come up with a way this will affect you and stop you using the £430 box at all - while no other console owner in history would be affected and could carry on playing. It's not just "something to complain about" for the sake of complaining - it's a dealbreaker.

ANY game that requires a constant internet connection even playing single-player is a dealbreaker. The above also applies, only now it's to a £50 game. It's not compulsory for developers, but the "cloud" thing MS (coupled with alleged hardware bottlenecks in the physical console) have been hawking will no doubt ensure many games go this way.

Always on and required Kinect is a dealbreaker. A camera in your house recording pictures and sound (and heartrates and stress levels) whether you want it to or not, connected at least once a day to the internet should make you cringe. It may not be used for nefarious purposes at all, but the potential for really gross abuse is there - what it IS used for vs. what it CAN be used for in the future... only the EULA and your use of it comprising your contractual agreement can say. I'll refer you to the Human CentiPad episode of South Park - and I personally can't wait until the first arrest because someone was caught breaking the law by their Crossbone...

Used game licencing - with absolutely no scope for rental games - is a dealbreaker. There is no other industry on Earth that expects or demands a contribution from a secondary consumer except the EA/Ubisoft/MS model of used game trading. Independent games shops thrive on selling on secondhand games, while games collectors' entire hobby is just that. As a secondary, unfinished games that are relentlessly patched - which seems to be the standard now - also harm games collectors. I've got a large GT collection, any single disc of which I can put into a relevant console and enjoy as if it were day 1 - except GT5P; Now the servers are off, I can't update Spec 2 to Spec 3 on a new console, so if I lose my install I lose the ability to play the final version of the game. This looks like being the norm for MS from this point on.

Are they forcing you to go buy one and agree to their terms to be a part of it all? Nope. The info is out there.

Which is rather the point. The info IS here and you're pushing it away as just "something to complain about" for the sake of it from people who've never had any intent to buy it...

In some cases, it's just a stick to beat MS with - but it's also valuable information that will help people come to a decision on what console to buy, if any. The information so far is that MS is resolutely anti-consumer, anti-indie-developer and anti-games shop, but pro-MS and pro-AAA title and in-house dev - while buying up space at E3 to stop people referring to PS4 versions of cross-plat games and cancelling press Q&A sessions about their anti-consumer practices and alleged hardware issues.

That'll be £430, please.

 

[MXH]

Naive and gullible? No. I'm also not wearing an aluminum hat. They are not out to get you. You can believe that if you want. DRM(Digitally implemented) is not new. Its just another security measure to attempt to slow down piracy and cheating in the console world.

Control of your console? Are they going to remotely be changing channels on you in the middle of a show? Or pause your game until your homework is finished? Your claims are outlandish. Is the possibility there? You bet. Is it on heir network? yep. Are they forcing you to go buy one and agree to their terms to be a part of it all? Nope. The info is out there. If you're afraid their going to take over your console(which I don't know why'd they want to) then by all means don't indulge. Did you purchase a 360? You write a scathing letter to them when you find out they could ban your mac address? I don't know how much more control you'd need.

Yes "something to complain about". Its obviously not something you like or showing any intention on purchasing, so you come in making extremist remarks that have no REAL bearing.

Slowing down piracy? By basically giving both middle fingers to their customers? And by control I simply meant the firmware (hacking) side of things. Nothing else.

I once had the intention of getting one. That was before their reveal and stance on DRM though. Still hard to believe they actually are going through with all this crap and have the balls to do it at a fine pricetag of €499 as well.

I have probably missed to adress a few things in your reply, but since I am on the phone, I won't bother.

Edit: I'll just refer to Famine's post for now.

 

[fatkrakr]

Naive and gullible? No. I'm also not wearing an aluminum hat. They are not out to get you. You can believe that if you want. DRM(Digitally implemented) is not new. Its just another security measure to attempt to slow down piracy and cheating in the console world.

Control of your console? Are they going to remotely be changing channels on you in the middle of a show? Or pause your game until your homework is finished? Your claims are outlandish. Is the possibility there? You bet. Is it on heir network? yep. Are they forcing you to go buy one and agree to their terms to be a part of it all? Nope. The info is out there. If you're afraid their going to take over your console(which I don't know why'd they want to) then by all means don't indulge. Did you purchase a 360? You write a scathing letter to them when you find out they could ban your mac address? I don't know how much more control you'd need.

Yes "something to complain about". Its obviously not something you like or showing any intention on purchasing, so you come in making extremist remarks that have no REAL bearing.

Noone is worried about the outlandish things you list. What people are worried about is being listened to a watched by there console. These are things MS have plans on doing. Look at the patents they have filed for with kinect. It is quite clear what they intend to do with the info they obtain from the devices.
MS dont care about your TV watching experience, what they are intersted in is what your watching and how they can market products to you from the info they obtain. They also want to know the number of people in front of your tv so they may charge your company for content as well.

 

[Jawehawk]

Great stuff!

Someone needs to give Famine a medal for those wise words. I wish I was this good with words .

 

[DDastardly00]

I wonder how many of you that are worried about the spying issue have a smart phone, use facebook, google, or have verizon, AT&T etc, even a computer? You should all realize that datamining/ or collecting metadata happens so frequently now that just about everyone is doing it. Would you quit using your computer today if you knew it was spying on you? Would you throw away your phone?

 

[Mr Latte]

Again, the beef is mainly that we're paying so much more than the US are.

Also people like me are annoyed because

"Kinect/Eye included is probably worth £80-£100 as a standalone item, gees really guys?"

We don't want those things but they're forced on us and force the price up.

The US price needs taxes added, ours includes VAT.
Additionally you know full well consoles here generally cost a bit more as many things do in good ole Blighty or indeed our Euro neighbours.

I am not defending Microsoft over all the rumours but I will wait to things are confirmed regarding the whole matter. Just seems some are going overboard or already have all the answers.

Some of us maybe seen some good looking games today with confirmation of 1080p 60 being the new standard for console gamers in the next-gen with vastly larger and more detailed gaming worlds.