Time Trial #54

I'll give that a go next session. :) I dropped my time to a 1:17.499. The only adjustment I made this time round was brake balance. Now 5-6 front/rear. But then who am I kidding, its not the setup that's holding me back. :dunce:
I've been following your ghost, and I lose badly in turn one, but can hold you in Sector 2, only to lose out a little more in Sector 3.
But... I'm less than 1s away from numero uno... I can't complain about that. :)

I think PeasantSlayer also used the chase cam and he won a TT (as well? ;) ), but I think you're one of the few top-tier TT'ers who uses it. Congrats on P1, awesome lap - and thanks to you (and Stotty of course) for the setup. 👍 Now let's keep our fingers crossed that you win this thing!

thanx Bandit! with your setup i got 1.17.610 :)

Thanks, and well done :) My time is a tough time to beat :sly: I should know, I've been trying to go faster all day today :lol:
 
I managed to get a couple of hours in this afternoon... didn't make the jump I'd hoped for in the Vette, but chipped almost 0.1 off for 1'17.300. I think I'm pretty much at my limit unless I fluke a lap :lol:

Had another quick go in the RS200 as well... takes a few laps to get in to this one and get the feel back for sliding the car around. But once you do get the feel it's really enjoyable and rewarding. Knocked 0.2 off (1'02.0xx), but I'm losing 0.5 to nofear in the final sector. If I can get the diff right and hook a lap up I reckon I could get c.1'01.5.
 
Is there any way to build a fast but driveable setup without active steering for this combo?
I've tried PJ's car but it's crazy without aids (ABS included)... :yuck:
 
Hi, i have a good time with Lancia Delta, but i tried to win the Ford Rs200 at the Classics Events and i won Lancia Stratos... Help please...
 
Is there any way to build a fast but driveable setup without active steering for this combo?
I've tried PJ's car but it's crazy without aids (ABS included)... :yuck:

They all seemed to drive just fine w/o active steering to me, a little less stable, but just not quite as quick. I think 3-5 tenths for me?
 
Is there any way to build a fast but driveable setup without active steering for this combo?
I've tried PJ's car but it's crazy without aids (ABS included)... :yuck:

It's terrible without aids, I have one tuned for no ABS driving but ran out of talent, you can try it if you want. The rally TT is excellent though, no ABS there is a lot of fun. 👍
 
It's terrible without aids, I have one tuned for no ABS driving but ran out of talent, you can try it if you want. The rally TT is excellent though, no ABS there is a lot of fun. 👍

Thanks.
Might hop on that TT with S4, or whatever is driven there... I really lack time for GT5 recently. :(
 
I just watched tidgneys gt challenge tutorial and there he was very specific on which gears to select. Was wondering if there is any gear trickery to think about here.
 
I don't think I can improve anymore. :( My thumbs just can't keep up with the car and I can't even get within 3 tenths of my time. But still, a 1:17.2 with a DS3 and no Active Steering is pretty darn impressive. I honestly prefer slower cars.
 
I finally got around to doing the Eiger Nordwand W Trail event. Here is my Eiger Nordwand W Trail story with my Ford RS200 Rally Car.

Because I was mad my laps were invalidated, I decided to finally drive more defensively to avoid my runs from going foul. My first accepted lap was 1:16.100. The next lap, I began to turn up the aggression. The end result? A 1:14.596 time- good for Silver. So here's the next question in my mind- how do I pull a time below 72 seconds around Eiger Nordwand W Trail?

What I did was try to strengthen the front brakes. So I went from the default 5/5 setup to 7 for the front brakes and 4 for the rear brakes. My focus was to try to get this car to stop properly while trying to find speed around this course. Handling and speed weren't a problem, my only concern was trying to properly handle this course to suit my driving style. Next best effort: 1:13.272... not a sub-72 second lap. Then, I crossed into the 1:12.000 country with a 1:12.796. I restarted after my next lap went foul and then ripped a 1:12.204. I know why I didn't get Gold- that tricky final corner after the final bridge. I got a poor entry into the corner, and it screwed my lap up. Otherwise, I was going to go below 1:12.000. And finally, I man'd up and cashed in a Gold time: 1:11.945! Mission accomplished! My time at this time was good for 27267th place.

I then compared my time to my PSN friends' times. Both were a full second ahead of my time. One used the Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 Evolution 2 while another used a car I thought about using originally- the Lancia Delta S4. I actually was torn between the RS200 and either the Lancia Delta S4 or the Lancia Stratos Rally Car. Considering the nightmares I had racing the Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 Evolution 2 in that Chamonix license test in GT4, I didn't want to even fathom using that car in this event. I was thinking of the Lancia Stratos, but I've always had my fears doing rally racing in a rear-wheel drive car. The top 10 for this event all used the RS200 Rally Car.


"Cool story, bro!" Thanks, GTPlanet! :D Eiger Nordwand W Trail actually kind of reminds me a good bit of the Cathedral Rocks courses from GT4. You have a bunch of high-speed off road portions along with crossing the bridges. Once you understand the rhythm of Eiger Nordwand W Trail, you really want to race this track faster and harder than usual. But since it's off-road, you want to have a certain amount of finesse while racing this course in anger. This was still a good challenge to use rally cars from before 1989.
 
@JohnBM01 I know it is going to sound backwards but try lowering your brake balance...4/3 might be a good start. No matter how strong you make the brakes once the tires lock up you start sliding causing loss of control and costing you time trying to keep it in check. Lower brake balance means the tires don't lock up as soon...then with a bit of throttle control and more controlled entries to corners you should see a significant drop in your lap times.

On the gravel you can't rush up to a corner and then slam on the brakes the way you can on pavement, you need to plan ahead brake a bit earlier and keep the car under better control.:cheers:
 
I didn't have a go last night I did some solo player challengers I want to complete the game and have some fun before i get angry and break my wheel when I mess up a great lap on TT lol
 
I'm done with this TT i think.. i can't get any faster... i was hoping to finish top 200.. but at the moment I am sitting just outside that.. 201st...
 
I'm done with this TT i think.. i can't get any faster... i was hoping to finish top 200.. but at the moment I am sitting just outside that.. 201st...

Dont stop yet!! their is plenty of time, relax an drive the course for about 10 laps an each lap you go round try blizting a different corner.. keep going atleast :)

I know i can get top 15 if i get my ultimate time, but am having a break to recharge.. i seem to smash it for about 3 solid nights & days.. then i take about a week or 4 days off :)
 
The rims? No lol :-(

Can any rim be used or a specific one?

I am asking because I could not get the desired gearing as per Stotty's tune even after changing the rims. And i followed his instructions to the T. Also could not get the Bhp and weight figures as mentioned in his tune.

Will try again after buying a new C6. I am at 1.22.600 currently and looking forward to improve as I know I can do better than that.
 
Did several 1:17.7xx's last night. But struggled to do better than 1:17.763.
My theoreticle is 1:17.420 which is 0.25 slower in the each of the first two sectors & 0.42 in the last.
Everytime im doing well the last sector lets me down on the low traction area between the 2nd & 3rd turn. I would like to get 1:17.5 i think that would be about the best of my abillity.
 
I don't think I can improve anymore. :( My thumbs just can't keep up with the car and I can't even get within 3 tenths of my time. But still, a 1:17.2 with a DS3 and no Active Steering is pretty darn impressive. I honestly prefer slower cars.

Ha ha, I too also prefer slower cars, but we have to use what we have to use.

And I too just cannot improve my time, even after applying all the new tune updates. Just too old I guess.

But your time is still a good one, I'm still just a tad under 1:20.
 
Can any rim be used or a specific one?

I am asking because I could not get the desired gearing as per Stotty's tune even after changing the rims. And i followed his instructions to the T. Also could not get the Bhp and weight figures as mentioned in his tune.

Will try again after buying a new C6. I am at 1.22.600 currently and looking forward to improve as I know I can do better than that.

I'm using the 1st set of rims in the shop if it makes any difference.

For the gears, make sure you re-set to default before you try to match my settings... then set max speed to the lowest (far left), then set the others... should work!

You'll only be able to match the power if you use an brand new car from the dealers without an oil change.

Edit... if anyone's getting bored of the Vette, try taking the C7 out for a spin. It's quite a bit slower, but handles really nicely.
 
First of all Hello i'm Chris, And welcome me im you latest Newbie GT5 Player.

I've been following this thread for the #54 Time trial even, and i must say its been a real eye opener. Reading into the different styles and set-ups has learned me a lot, So i would just like to say thanks for the help. Its improved my performance no end.

I play with a PS3 controller and with the help of Stottys setup tips. I managed to pull out a 1:19 time which im very pleased with, I think i an get another .500 of a sec out of it yet in the coming weeks, Providing i put a good run together, which is my downfall on this controller its so easy to make a mistake and when you lapping at this speed you cant make any.
Which don't make my experience any less i love the challenge.

I must say i did change a few things to Stottys setup, As for a controller gamer i found it too loose on the back so i lower'd the camber on the rear tire's to give me more grip on acceleration and i took out the positive tow and made a negative one and this made her more stable.

While i do agree with Stotty his set-up probably is faster, in the right hands, But for people who are struggling with consistency i would recommend you sacrifice some of you overall speed for a little more stability.

Also on the start when i was making my set-up i turned the power right down to get used too the techniques and learn my way around the track feeling all the bumps and humps, this will stop you getting frustrated so fast and its more rewarding improving rather then doing a fast time and then spinning out for 20 laps in a row.

Also i must say i am kinda disappointed at the top players all using the Active steering help in the game, I didn't notice for a while that this was even allowed in the time trial event. The whole idea of this time trial is to learn how to handle a very powerful rear wheel drive car on a very demanding technical race circuit. And the challenge of this car is kind of taken away when you turn this on, and it makes the rear wheel drive monster all the more tame in comparison to its true nature.
 
....clipped...Also i must say i am kinda disappointed at the top players all using the Active steering help in the game, I didn't notice for a while that this was even allowed in the time trial event. The whole idea of this time trial is to learn how to handle a very powerful rear wheel drive car on a very demanding technical race circuit. And the challenge of this car is kind of taken away when you turn this on, and it makes the rear wheel drive monster all the more tame in comparison to its true nature.

Firstly welcome to :gtpflag: Chris, hope you find this place as friendly, enlightening and helpful as I have.

I'm a little confused about your statement over active steering. As a fellow DS3 user I hardly notice any difference when it's on and when I have had it active I really wouldn't say that it tamed the beast at all for me. The other thing to keep in mind, although I'm not sure about this, is that active steering is more relevant to wheel users than DS3 users as it acts a little like power steering I believe.

BTW, if you really want to improve on your time you only have until Thursday, then the TT will be swapped out for a new one and this one will be closed. :)
 
First of all Hello i'm Chris, And welcome me im you latest Newbie GT5 Player.

I've been following this thread for the #54 Time trial even, and i must say its been a real eye opener. Reading into the different styles and set-ups has learned me a lot, So i would just like to say thanks for the help. Its improved my performance no end.

I play with a PS3 controller and with the help of Stottys setup tips. I managed to pull out a 1:19 time which im very pleased with, I think i an get another .500 of a sec out of it yet in the coming weeks, Providing i put a good run together, which is my downfall on this controller its so easy to make a mistake and when you lapping at this speed you cant make any.
Which don't make my experience any less i love the challenge.

I must say i did change a few things to Stottys setup, As for a controller gamer i found it too loose on the back so i lower'd the camber on the rear tire's to give me more grip on acceleration and i took out the positive tow and made a negative one and this made her more stable.

While i do agree with Stotty his set-up probably is faster, in the right hands, But for people who are struggling with consistency i would recommend you sacrifice some of you overall speed for a little more stability.

Also on the start when i was making my set-up i turned the power right down to get used too the techniques and learn my way around the track feeling all the bumps and humps, this will stop you getting frustrated so fast and its more rewarding improving rather then doing a fast time and then spinning out for 20 laps in a row.

Hi Chris,

Well done with the DS3... 650bhp FR road cars on sports hard tyres are always going to be a challenge with the pad... well, unless your name is Doodle ;)

I drive with the pad quite a bit for just driving around and drifting, but if I'm posting a tune for a Seasonal it's going to built with my wheel... as such, it's not going to be optimised for a pad user. There are a few easy things you could try on to my tune to make it more stable, depending on where it's difficult...

If the rear is too loose on corner entry, move the ballast forward and/or give the brakes a more front bias and/or add some LSD decel.

If it's exit traction you're looking for then the 1st thing I'd do is reduce the LSD accel setting. The car is already running pretty low rear camber, and reducing this further will reduce lateral grip - meaning you need to reduce front camber as well to retain the balance of grip front to rear. The car will always be struggling for traction due to it's power and tyres.

You could also try changing up to a higher gear before you get back on the throttle... the C6 has loads of torque and the time penalty for using 1 gear higher isn't major most of the time as the gears are very closely stacked.

Also i must say i am kinda disappointed at the top players all using the Active steering help in the game, I didn't notice for a while that this was even allowed in the time trial event. The whole idea of this time trial is to learn how to handle a very powerful rear wheel drive car on a very demanding technical race circuit. And the challenge of this car is kind of taken away when you turn this on, and it makes the rear wheel drive monster all the more tame in comparison to its true nature

I use AS pretty much all the time as I prefer the way it feels (the feedback though the steering wheel give ME more feel for how the car is behaving). I have friends I've been racing against for years who I know I'm very closely matched with on lap times (across Prologue and GT5). Some of these don't use AS yet are just as fast, or faster than I am.

I don't see the issue with it to be honest. The car doesn't miraculously become easy to drive with AS on - you still have to drive it using the same techniques.

Watch Bandit's 1'16.5 replay. it's an amazingly smooth and controlled lap. Now take his car (his settings are posted), put on AS and see if you can repeat it... of course you won't have much chance with a DS3, but you'll not find the car is somehow 1-2s a lap faster with AS on.
 
Not only the car isn´t faster with AS in fact it is (although minimally)slower because of the little corrections being made. Of course you only feel the AS slowing you down when you are a real top driver( TiTech , Dan Holland , Samurai 405..) because otherwise this assist is very helpful in making your laps much more consistent.
 
Not only the car isn´t faster with AS in fact it is (although minimally)slower because of the little corrections being made. Of course you only feel the AS slowing you down when you are a real top driver( TiTech , Dan Holland , Samurai 405..) because otherwise this assist is very helpful in making your laps much more consistent.

Ture... top times on the C7 TT were without AS.

Nice time in the RS200 BTW... can you catch/pass nofear?
 
Something very odd has just happened :boggled: It felt like my car was getting a bit loose just from having run in this event, even though damage is off, pp is still same and it won't allow you to restore the chassis in GT auto. So I bought a new car, did exactly the same with the setup and it has exactly the same PP and everything, the ONLY thing different is this one is painted gold chrome. So, when I try it on the track, the handling seems better, it's more controllable at the rear but when I go over the start finish line the maximum speed I reach at the line is 142mph, however well I do the last corner. This is particularly odd as in my previous car I could almost always reach 143 before the start/finish line coming out of the last corner. I did a back to back test to check it wasn't my driving as well :confused: Obviously the Atomic Orange paint is MAGIC :lol:

EDIT: Just amazed myself with a 21.604 in the first sector with my original car, I ran it for a lap in practice mode which allowed me to restore chassis rigidity :)
 
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Ture... top times on the C7 TT were without AS.

Nice time in the RS200 BTW... can you catch/pass nofear?

A 1.00.8xx was within my reach as you can see in my lap that I tottally screw up the last sector but as I only have the weekend to play the chance to go 1st is gone:grumpy:

And Stotty, sorry for not answering on PSN but as my time is a bit limited and I always try to do so many things at once while I play sometimes I forget to answer the messages:ouch:
 
No problems 👍

Yes, I noticed... though I'm losing >0.5 consistently in the last sector, so my pain is more... gonna fix it sometime next couple of nights... I won't get top 10, but I reckon a comfortable top 20 is doable.

Are you still using my original tune? I tried it agian yesterday and made some changes. I went faster, but I'm not sure if that was down to the tune or just me running better - it's much harder to feel the grip level on a rally to tarmac.

EDIT: Just amazed myself with a 21.604 in the first sector with my original car, I ran it for a lap in practice mode which allowed me to restore chassis rigidity :)

Err... does the car feel different after the re-fresh?

I didn't think running seasonals put wear on the car!
 
No problems 👍

Yes, I noticed... though I'm losing >0.5 consistently in the last sector, so my pain is more... gonna fix it sometime next couple of nights... I won't get top 10, but I reckon a comfortable top 20 is doable.

Are you still using my original tune? I tried it agian yesterday and made some changes. I went faster, but I'm not sure if that was down to the tune or just me running better - it's much harder to feel the grip level on a rally to tarmac.



Err... does the car feel different after the re-fresh?

I didn't think running seasonals put wear on the car!

I didn't think so either, it doesn't change engine performance but the car was definitely more loose at the rear than when I did my fastest lap on friday :confused: It feels better now :) Hence the fast first sector :D
 
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