Time Trial #54

[Dhalism]

Has it worked now? If not I will send you a car with my setup on in the morning just add me on PSN

i think resetting transmission was first step in stotty's tune.

 

[Stotty]

Hey stotty, I got exactly the same problem as u bud, my brake pedal sticks occasionally and I've had it a few times with the accelerator as well! Conveniently my 12 month warranty has just expired last month lol, but I have seen conversions for the G27 online so u can switch the pedals around like u can with the thrust master. Im sure I could find the link again for u if u want it dude, its a video with step by step instructions on how to do it. I'm seriously thinking about doing it myself in the near future lol

Thanks 👍

I sorted it last Saturday... I took it apart (AGAIN!), but rather than just cleaning it, this time I swapped the clutch unit for the brake unit... it's working fine now

i think resetting transmission was first step in stotty's tune.

Yes, that would be the 1st step if the car wasn't brand new... as I said in my post, the car was a new one from the dealers, so had never been driven

I'll remember to mention a reset next time I post a tune 👍

 

[RKTUNING]

Have you changed the rims? Make sure you follow the instruction carefully

Am i the only one that cant even drive that setup?
so loose cant even complete a lap LOL
why would you run +20 front toe?
I set up race cars and never run toe in
When i set front toe to -20 i can drive it
have only done 1.20 with my set up can only manage 1.23 with yours
does that mean i am crap LOL
frustrated Ron

 

[sportacus]

Everyone check the leaderboard because I just did a 1:16.515
So happy! Had a decent first sector, a decent second sector and a barnstormer of a last sector I will post the setup I used tomorrow morning but it isn't much different to Stotty's Thank you all for your support

WOOOWWW!! Congrats Bandit!! Just saw it now! What a blowing fast lap you did! Cheers to Stotty also for his freaking awesome tune! What a team you both...

By the way, i read somewhere in the forum that Stotty was going for snow vacation! Are you crazy man? What about us? Who's gonna give us the seasonal tunes? You can't go without our permission...

 

[Stotty]

Am i the only one that cant even drive that setup?
so loose cant even complete a lap LOL
why would you run +20 front toe?
I set up race cars and never run toe in
When i set front toe to -20 i can drive it
have only done 1.20 with my set up can only manage 1.23 with yours
does that mean i am crap LOL
frustrated Ron

Err, I have the toe at +0.20 because the car will lap quicker with that than -ve... the tune does currently hold the fastest lap on the boards, and most people seem to be getting on pretty well with it

Doesn't make you crap if you can't drive it... we all have different styles... but if you're over 3s off the pace your own tune, I'd say it's more you're style than my tune that's holding your lap time back.

If you want the rear less 'mobile', move the ballast forwards in increments of 10 until you find the car isn't mobile enough. Then move it back in smaller increments until you get a balance you can manage.

Oh, and loose is fast

By the way, i read somewhere in the forum that Stotty was going for snow vacation! Are you crazy man? What about us? Who's gonna give us the seasonal tunes? You can't go without our permission...

It's only 4 days with a mate in the Alps... and there's no guarentee I'll produce a good one next time

 

[CorvetteConquer]

Wow, I had been using the smaller, more stock looking wing on the Z06, and just now switched to the racing-esque wing. Holy heck. What a difference it makes!

 

[WightSparky]

Hey stotty, I got exactly the same problem as u bud, my brake pedal sticks occasionally and I've had it a few times with the accelerator as well! Conveniently my 12 month warranty has just expired last month lol, but I have seen conversions for the G27 online so u can switch the pedals around like u can with the thrust master. Im sure I could find the link again for u if u want it dude, its a video with step by step instructions on how to do it. I'm seriously thinking about doing it myself in the near future lol

You actually have 2 years warranty under the EU Sale of Goods Act.
Its you right as a consumer to claim and any product you purchase in the EU/UK despite what the manufacters guarantee is.
I had a PS3 that died after 18 months of purchase. I got all the usual 12 month jargon and when i quoted this act they suddenly changed tune. I also did the same with a DFGT wheel.

Worth Remembering for future.

 

[hookedonturbo]

You actually have 2 years warranty under the EU Sale of Goods Act.
Its you right as a consumer to claim and any product you purchase in the EU/UK despite what the manufacters guarantee is.
I had a PS3 that died after 18 months of purchase. I got all the usual 12 month jargon and when i quoted this act they suddenly changed tune. I also did the same with a DFGT wheel.

Worth Remembering for future.

Now that is a fine piece of information right there, thanks.

 

[McLarensFinest]

Has it worked now? If not I will send you a car with my setup on in the morning just add me on PSN

Yeah mate that would be great to have a lend of the beast you drive but then I can't moan saying I'm slow because of the car lol

 

[WightSparky]

Now that is a fine piece of information right there, thanks.

Yeah, it protects you as a consumer and also forces manufacturers to build products that last longer. So its a double bonus really.

If more people expressed their rights then we would not be losing them. But not many people know their rights or even know the difference between 'lawful' and 'legal' which is a shame. But thats not for this forum.

 

[Dalone]

Wonder if it applies for GB products sole in non EU countries, Australia, US etc?

 

[Dalone]

It's both TT's and Online races. I believe the TT's are central, as it's through these you advance up the league. You have to do the 2nd and 3rd AMG Driving School Intermediate Special Events, save the recordings and send them in as described here. To get a representative placement in the league you should spend a while doing the best you can. One thing you must do to start with, is create a new account on your PlayStation called GTP_McBride (it's fine, we all did it and starting at level 0 is not a problem. A few seasonals brings in the cash required and ups your level so you can do everything necessary - like doing the AMG Driving School). I have every car in the game on my main account and was worried that starting again would be a problem, but I'm friends with myself and can loan cars across the accounts. So far (2 weeks ) all the cars I've needed have been premiums I could buy from the dealership. Great crowd in there and I'm sure you'd fit right in among us! Read those threads carefully and you'll see how seriously they take this. There's a bunch of guys doing a lot of work behind the scenes to make this happen. I'm really glad CargoRat pointed me at it.

Links:
Qualifier info
Registry discussion (I see you just posted there )
This week's thread (you see how cool the atmosphere is in there )
This week's leaderboard
Last week's provisional results thread (showing results weighted for league placement...I did well after the handicap was applied )

After reading this I went back last night and golded the two races, to see if I would be able to qualify.

I also see one can't talk about ones times anywhere?

Anyway, the following caught my attention;

"Qualifier Rules:

The qualifier MUST be run using your GTP_Tag Account
Do not discuss privately or post publicly any of your splits or final times, or anything relating to this qualifier that would indicate a sector time or a full lap time. By taking part in this qualifier you therefore agree to this very strict ruling
The use of the clutch that is found on the G25, G27, and other high end racing wheels is strictly prohibited.
All registered GTP_Registry members must complete this qualifier to remain on the GTP_Registry""

Specifically this one, ""The use of the clutch that is found on the G25, G27, and other high end racing wheels is strictly prohibited.""

I wonder why that would be? And how that 'clutch' would advantage a player so much that it is banned on WRS?

 

[ripping_silk]

Wonder if it applies for GB products sole in non EU countries, Australia, US etc?

New Zealand for instance, has the Consumer Guarantees Act, which it seems is effectively the same as the UK version.
Every product you buy, has, what can be deemed, a minimum effective lifespan, that you would expect the product to last. You do not expect a high end piece of electronic equipment, like a PS3 to last only 18 months.
Therefore regardless of manufacturer warranties, the Act protects the customer from early failure.
And yet the retailers are still plugging these extended 2, 3, 4 year warranties on electronic goods, when in fact the law is there that makes these redundant.
I'm sure Oz has a similar law. - Though it wouldn't apply to goods bought directly from overseas, you'd be on your own there - if that what you were getting at ?

 

[Stotty]

Specifically this one, ""The use of the clutch that is found on the G25, G27, and other high end racing wheels is strictly prohibited.""

I wonder why that would be? And how that 'clutch' would advantage a player so much that it is banned on WRS?

Back in Prologue, using the clutch was a significant advantage as you could flat shift (and the paddle change wasn't as fast), so it was decided to ban its use from WRS events.

IME, the clutch is actually a disadvantage in GT5, but safer just to not allow it as it doesn't create any issues.

 

[ripping_silk]

Just clicked off a 1:17.542 for (currently) 44th - I know that won't last.
I've been using Stotty's tune, with a couple of my own little mods to suit myself a bit more.
When BanditKarter22 posted his version, I knocked off another tenth or two with that, but then started just chasing ghosts for little benefit on the clock.
So after thinking about what I needed I dropped the nose 1mm to 4, brake balance set at 4,5 , rear toe to +16. The gearing is a tad longer too.
Very minor changes, but Its made the car turn in quicker and I believe hold a greater corner speed, but its a little more flighty and fidgety. Whatever, it worked for me. Within 3 laps of testing, 0.16 knocked off previous best - obviously there is a lot more in it, but I'm running out of talent!
I take no credit for these tweaks, the hard work had already been done (doffs cap to Stotty 👍) . and BanditKarter... stonking lap you've done there!

Corvette Z06 (C6) '06

Parts
All weight reductions (no chassis strengthening), all power upgrades excl. supercharger, all other non-power altering mods, rear wing

Ballast 200kg @ postition 50
Wing 20
Power limiter 94.6%
Makes 659bhp @ 1,378kg for 580ppts

Settings
Ride 4 21
Spring 12.8 8.9
Rebound 5 4
Compression 4 3
ARB 1 6
Camber 1.6 0.9
Toe +0.20 +0.16

LSD 5 16 5

Brakes 5 4

RESET FIRST! Gears (set max speed to minimum, then set individual gears)
1st 4.110
2nd 2.981
3rd 2.459
4th 2.060
5th 1.695
6th 1.430
Final 2.583

 

[La Haine]

Back in Prologue, using the clutch was a significant advantage as you could flat shift (and the paddle change wasn't as fast), so it was decided to ban its use from WRS events.

IME, the clutch is actually a disadvantage in GT5, but safer just to not allow it as it doesn't create any issues.

Clutch can be an advantage if you know to use it properly.
For example, under braking or to stabilise the car mid corner.

 

[Stotty]

Clutch can be an advantage if you know to use it properly.
For example, under braking or to stabilise the car mid corner.

Perhaps... but isn't that something you could do anyway by dragging a bit of throttle whilst left foot braking?

And in any case, surely a fraction of time there is off set by slower gear changes?

 

[BanditKarter22]

Just clicked off a 1:17.542 for (currently) 44th - I know that won't last.
I've been using Stotty's tune, with a couple of my own little mods to suit myself a bit more.
When BanditKarter22 posted his version, I knocked off another tenth or two with that, but then started just chasing ghosts for little benefit on the clock.
So after thinking about what I needed I dropped the nose 1mm to 4, brake balance set at 4,5 , rear toe to +16. The gearing is a tad longer too.
Very minor changes, but Its made the car turn in quicker and I believe hold a greater corner speed, but its a little more flighty and fidgety. Whatever, it worked for me. Within 3 laps of testing, 0.16 knocked off previous best - obviously there is a lot more in it, but I'm running out of talent!
I take no credit for these tweaks, the hard work had already been done (doffs cap to Stotty 👍) . and BanditKarter... stonking lap you've done there!

Well, just tried that and it seemed to give me more understeer What I also just tried is changing the front toe to 0 and the rear toe to +0.17 this seemed to work so I may use this to try and set a lap time after I've just had my lunch

 

[Stotty]

Hmmm, you both are a lot more sensitive to set up changes than I am if you can feel a 1mm change in ride height or a 0.01 change in toe angle

However, changing the brakes from 4,4 to 4,5 will have a pretty significant effect as it will result in more 'brake release oversteer' when trail braking in to the turns.

 

[BanditKarter22]

Hmmm, you both are a lot more sensitive to set up changes than I am if you can feel a 1mm change in ride height or a 0.01 change in toe angle

However, changing the brakes from 4,4 to 4,5 will have a pretty significant effect as it will result in more 'brake release oversteer' when trail braking in to the turns.

You're forgetting that when I did my 1:16.833 all I did to your setup was change the rear ride height by 1 and it made a noticeable difference

 

[ripping_silk]

Well, just tried that and it seemed to give me more understeer What I also just tried is changing the front toe to 0 and the rear toe to +0.17 this seemed to work so I may use this to try and set a lap time after I've just had my lunch

More understeer !!? indeed. When I'm driving it it feels like I'm throwing out anchors from the front wheels and the rest of the car is pivoting around them. That is just a great example of differing driving styles I suppose, works OK for the backmarkers, but no good for the front runners

This particular car seems very sensitive to tiny adjustments, I think the nature of the track certainly contributes to that, its a real rollercoaster.
And the brake balance Stotty, I have never ever run these 'backward' balances before, it just seems wrong, but in this case, it seems to be doing the job. Maybe after a few more laps I will revert to 4-4 or 5-5, just see what happens.

 

[Stotty]

You're 0.8s faster than me... you clearly have a much higher level of ability and sensitivity for the car

I can feel some single digit changes; brake balance, LSD accel, camber for instance, but I can't feel single digit changes for ride or toe!

 

[BanditKarter22]

You're 0.8s faster than me... you clearly have a much higher level of ability and sensitivity for the car

I can feel some single digit changes; brake balance, LSD accel, camber for instance, but I can't feel single digit changes for ride or toe!

Maybe it's because I use the chase cam, I can see the behaviour of the car more easily? 💡

 

[Stotty]

Maybe you're just weird

Or I am.

 

[McLarensFinest]

Maybe you're just weird

Or I am.

Lol I think we all are well that's what my wife says :-) about us gamers

 

[WightSparky]

New Zealand for instance, has the Consumer Guarantees Act, which it seems is effectively the same as the UK version.
Every product you buy, has, what can be deemed, a minimum effective lifespan, that you would expect the product to last. You do not expect a high end piece of electronic equipment, like a PS3 to last only 18 months.
Therefore regardless of manufacturer warranties, the Act protects the customer from early failure.
And yet the retailers are still plugging these extended 2, 3, 4 year warranties on electronic goods, when in fact the law is there that makes these redundant.
I'm sure Oz has a similar law. - Though it wouldn't apply to goods bought directly from overseas, you'd be on your own there - if that what you were getting at ?

From your description it does sound the same. So i would say you are probably correct. Also you are spot on with extended warranties, its a con.

 

[BanditKarter22]

Changed front toe to +0.19 and did a first sector of 21.621 , better handling in the middle sector as well, if you don't crash...

 

[ripping_silk]

Changed front toe to +0.19 and did a first sector of 21.621 , better handling in the middle sector as well, if you don't crash...

I'll give that a go next session. I dropped my time to a 1:17.499. The only adjustment I made this time round was brake balance. Now 5-6 front/rear. But then who am I kidding, its not the setup that's holding me back.
I've been following your ghost, and I lose badly in turn one, but can hold you in Sector 2, only to lose out a little more in Sector 3.
But... I'm less than 1s away from numero uno... I can't complain about that.

 

[Kilmore]

Maybe it's because I use the chase cam, I can see the behaviour of the car more easily? 💡

I think PeasantSlayer also used the chase cam and he won a TT (as well? ), but I think you're one of the few top-tier TT'ers who uses it. Congrats on P1, awesome lap - and thanks to you (and Stotty of course) for the setup. 👍 Now let's keep our fingers crossed that you win this thing!

 

[flimone]

Changed front toe to +0.19 and did a first sector of 21.621 , better handling in the middle sector as well, if you don't crash...

thanx Bandit! with your setup i got 1.17.610