Tuner Wars by Harvey Wallbanger (First 2 battles joined 12/6/11)

[XDesperado67]

Sorry for the uber long delay on "The French Disconnection"(what do you guys think of the title?), but between my terrible internet connection of late(should FINALLY be fixed now. Despy I now fully sympothize with your net woes) and getting my brother Final Fantasy 13-2 for his birthday, I've been able to do no testing thus far save for krenkme's entry cuz he is quick with posting tunes:tup:. From here on out I will only be reviewing POSTED tunes(Onboy) so there won't be any "mine will be faster once I'm done with it!"(Onboy) nonsense. As for test tracks, I think TM is a good one as it seems most entries were tested there by the tuners. Also thinking about TGTT as a good short coarse, though any city coarses would be considered too, and I'm gonna let you lot tell me where you want the Showdown/Finale coarse too be. Its like a choose your own adventure book, but with gasoline!!!

How about Côte de Azure?

Not tried the "Purple People Eater" there so it will probably run you into every wall possible then toss the remains in the harbor.

 

[comandorando87]

How about Côte de Azure?

Not tried the "Purple People Eater" there so it will probably run you into every wall possible then toss the remains in the harbor.

Cote de Azure works. I'm wanting too stay away from Sarthe cuz I don't think it suits these cars very well. If I'm gonna just stand on the gas for three and a half miles I want too at least be doing 220mph by the end

 

[Onboy123]

From here on out I will only be reviewing POSTED tunes(Onboy) so there won't be any "mine will be faster once I'm done with it!"(Onboy) nonsense.
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Oi, what's that supposed to mean? I only don't post tunes because I can't get imaginative with the name. I'll post it tomorrow, so get testing.

 

[XDesperado67]

Oi, what's that supposed to mean? I only don't post tunes because I can't get imaginative with the name. I'll post it tomorrow, so get testing.

Call it the Guillotine or Luis the XVII or Picaso's Pride or something!

Hey how about Marie's Cake?

 

[Onboy123]

Call it the Guillotine or Luis the XVII or Picaso's Pride or something!

Nope. It's mpre tuned to be a replica of a Maserati Bora or…that smaller version, so it's the Alpine Bora! Nah, I don't know, but I'll release it soon, so get reviewing Commandorando.

 

[krenkme]

Daughter has put up my TT back on share. Still needs a new transmission but I think it handled a little better (or maybe worse, depending )

I'll try and test everyones cars when I get home 👍

 

[Onboy123]

Daughter has put up my TT back on share. Still needs a new transmission but I think it handled a little better (or maybe worse, depending )

I'll try and test everyones cars when I get home 👍

Ok, will test it sometime soon today. 👍

Which is…when?

 

[krenkme]

Ok, will test it sometime soon today. 👍

Which is…when?

Heading home now, should be about 12hrs, depending on weather and traffic 👍

 

[Onboy123]

Ok, just drove Krenkme's car, and though I won't review it, I have to say, it's getting to the point where we're all using the same settings! Your latest adjustment took it a step closer to ACSR's tune, which was very close to my tune.

 

[krenkme]

Ok, just drove Krenkme's car, and though I won't review it, I have to say, it's getting to the point where we're all using the same settings! Your latest adjustment took it a step closer to ACSR's tune, which was very close to my tune.

How's that? Hide hight/spring rate/ARB... ect? Well great minds...uh..do things

 

[DaDog]

How's that? Hide hight/spring rate/ARB... ect? Well great minds...uh..do things

yes Boss i got you're TT down to a 1.18.8xx i can go faster just need to focus more ... wich goes for all the cars btw , i'll do some more testing later on with all 3 ...

Sadly my holiday is over , ah the blessing of not working is great ... shame it has to come to an end

 

[XDesperado67]

Attack of the clones...or send in the clowns...

Getting mid 1:19s with mine and hating the handling. Nothing I do seems to change it.

 

[Onboy123]

How's that? Hide hight/spring rate/ARB... ect? Well great minds...uh..do things

Eh, like this:
My ride height: 0/-25
ACSR's ride height (from my memory): -5/-10
Your ride height: -5/-20

So it's an arse down setting, which is one thing we have in common.

Spring rates:
Mine: 11.4/4.0 (?)
ACSR's: 9.4/5.x (?)
Yours: 9.6 (?)/5.0 (?)

All achieve the same effect of making the front feel very quick and the back loose, though I have my preference for stiffer settings.

ARBs:
Mine: 1/7
ACSR's: 3/4 (?)
Yours:7/1

I have no idea what this does.

*(?) means I'm not sure.

Yup, great minds think alike.

 

[krenkme]

yes Boss i got you're TT down to a 1.18.8xx i can go faster just need to focus more ... wich goes for all the cars btw , i'll do some more testing later on with all 3 ...

Sadly my holiday is over , ah the blessing of not working is great ... shame it has to come to an end

Still needs a new transmission. Will be working on that when I can. Thanks.

Hope you got to have alot of fun during you time off 👍

Attack of the clones...or send in the clowns...

Getting mid 1:19s with mine and hating the handling. Nothing I do seems to change it.

I think we're all suffering from understeer. If one of us can do that, look out

 

[krenkme]

Double post, sorry

Eh, like this:
My ride height: 0/-25
ACSR's ride height (from my memory): -5/-10
Your ride height: -5/-20

So it's an arse down setting, which is one thing we have in common.

Spring rates:
Mine: 11.4/4.0 (?)
ACSR's: 9.4/5.x (?)
Yours: 9.6 (?)/5.0 (?)

All achieve the same effect of making the front feel very quick and the back loose, though I have my preference for stiffer settings.

ARBs:
Mine: 1/7
ACSR's: 3/4 (?)
Yours:7/1

I have no idea what this does.

*(?) means I'm not sure.

Yup, great minds think alike.

Well, that is very interesting. Should be fun to see what kind of differences, if any, the slight adjustments make

 

[Onboy123]

Double post, sorry


Well, that is very interesting. Should be fun to see what kind of differences, if any, the slight adjustments make

Well, we still need to wait on the old man with the crap connection to show us he's car, but yea, it should be fun. Oh, and I have to say, there's another thing similar:

Toe-
Mine: -0.20/-0.10
ACSR's- -0.20/-0.05
Yours:-.20/-0.10


It should be interesting to see how this turns out. Where are you now?

 

[krenkme]

Well, we still need to wait on the old man with the crap connection to show us he's car, but yea, it should be fun. Oh, and I have to say, there's another thing similar:

Toe-
Mine: -0.20/-0.10
ACSR's- -0.20/-0.05
Yours:-.20/-0.10

It should be interesting to see how this turns out. Where are you now?

Now that is too close

Actually making good time. Central Illinois, about six or so hours 👍

 

[Onboy123]

Now that is too close

Actually making good time. Central Illinois, about six or so hours 👍

Very much so.

Yay!

 

[XDesperado67]

Well my ride height is in the same neighborhood as all of yours. (-10 or 0 front, -25 rear) Spring rates are a lot higher than your all using somewhere around 14.4 front and rear.
Toe is between 0 and +20 front and 0 rear. Camber is around 2 to 2.8 front and 1.2 rear.
Biggest difference is ballast and rear downforce, have run everything from 17kg to 187kg and 7downforce to 17 downforce trying to keep it at 525PP.
Best time is a 1:19.694 second best time with wildly different settings is a 1:19.695.
No matter what I seem to get the same understeer/front push in high speed corners.

 

[Onboy123]

Well my ride height is in the same neighborhood as all of yours. (-10 or 0 front, -25 rear) Spring rates are a lot higher than your all using somewhere around 14.4 front and rear.
Toe is between 0 and +20 front and 0 rear. Camber is around 2 to 2.8 front and 1.2 rear.

Eh, here's something for you to try. Keep the front spring rate, but soften the back to something like 6.0, and set the ARB to something like 1/7. Also, set rear camber to -0.20 or something.

 

[krenkme]

What is everyone running there torque split at?... I'm just thinking

 

[XDesperado67]

Eh, here's something for you to try. Keep the front spring rate, but soften the back to something like 6.0, and set the ARB to something like 1/7. Also, set rear camber to -0.20 or something.

I've tried softer rear springs understeer was worse. Tried negative front toe and overall handling was worse. ARB is around 7/5 tried all kinds of settings there and nothing seems to work. Same with my dampers they've been all over the place. Toying with my torque split now. Was running it 50/50 now I'm trying to feed more to the rear.
Thinking I may drop my target PP to 520 since the car actually handled better at 500PP with a 50/50 weight distribution, just lacked the power.
Overall the car is driving me nuts!
If I can get it into the low 1:19s high 1:18s I'll call it good.

 

[Onboy123]

I've tried softer rear springs understeer was worse. Tried negative front toe and overall handling was worse. ARB is around 7/5 tried all kinds of settings there and nothing seems to work. Same with my dampers they've been all over the place. Toying with my torque split now. Was running it 50/50 now I'm trying to feed more to the rear.
Thinking I may drop my target PP to 520 since the car actually handled better at 500PP with a 50/50 weight distribution, just lacked the power.
Overall the car is driving me nuts!
If I can get it into the low 1:19s high 1:18s I'll call it good.

No, if you just soften it, it won't make a screw if it's set 1.0 lower or 10.0, but if you look at my FF tunes and that of RKM, it's set with a ridiculously stiff front and a properly soft back with the ARBs set at 1/7, it has the effect of making the handling of the car very loose, which would make it a step closer to not understeering.

I just left the diff at 40/60, I haven't even bothered buying the adjustable diff yet anyway.

I'm running 1:19.0xx times, but that's with some screw ups.

 

[moparisgod]

Eh, here's something for you to try. Keep the front spring rate, but soften the back to something like 6.0, and set the ARB to something like 1/7. Also, set rear camber to -0.20 or something.

Okay, sorry for the noob question but, a higher spring rate stiffens it up and a lower is soft?

I thought it the other way round.

 

[Onboy123]

Okay, sorry for the noob question but, a higher spring rate stiffens it up and a lower is soft?

I thought it the other way round.

Yea, high number = stiffer. 1.0 < 10.0, so 1.0 is softer than 10.0.

 

[moparisgod]

Yea, high number = stiffer. 1.0 < 10.0, so 1.0 is softer than 10.0.

I just thought with a higher number it let the car travel more, meaning soft.

That's why you guys are the experts. Thanks. 👍

 

[Onboy123]

I just thought with a higher number it let the car travel more, meaning soft.

That's why you guys are the experts. Thanks. 👍

I think that's the dampers, an area I have no experience in.

Experts? By no means. The odd enthusiast? Yea.

 

[ACSR421]

I'll get my TT back on share in about an hour. Going to give it one final check to see if it still drives ok. The adjustments I made the other day turned out to be an even closer replica of Onboys tune I did meet my goal of getting the car into the 1:17s at Deep Forest with a 1:17.941 so I'm pretty stoked about that I changed the front toe from -20 to a +5 and gained about 3 tenths to get that time but the car now has very sharp turn-in and an evil mid corner push if you drive anything but aggressive. I still like the handling better with the negative front toe but I'll probably leave it as is.

 

[krenkme]

So I had a chance to run Onboy's TT, and ACR's TT, plus Desperadoes Alpine. But I'm sorry I've been up for way to long and need a nap . Proper feedback will come when I wake. Sorry for any inconvenience.

 

[XDesperado67]

So I had a chance to run Onboy's TT, and ACR's TT, plus Desperadoes Alpine. But I'm sorry I've been up for way to long and need a nap . Proper feedback will come when I wake. Sorry for any inconvenience.

No problem...think I'm getting closer with my TT and remembering how much I hate Deep Forest.

Okay I'm ready to throw the towel in on the 🤬 TT.
Despite making huge changes to the setup on the car there is basically zero change in lap times and handling. Not sure at this point how much is due to the car being unresponsive to tuning, how much is this horrible track that you either hit a near perfect line and speed with or you eat wall and how much is due to the Wallbanger's so called driving skills.

As I said earlier the car seems near totally unresponsive to changes in the tune unless they have serious negative impact on the handling. I've seen pretty much 0 change in my speeds on corner entry, mid corner and corner exit. Being lined up and at the correct speed for a good corner entry is a lot more important than what the car is doing otherwise. Still have that annoying push mid corner and on corner exit where it wants to go wide if your a fraction over the approved speed. Also despite trying settings that should have caused either huge oversteer, even with a 4wd, or bad understeer the handling at least to me seems unchanged.

Here's an example ran a 1:19.936 had 30kg ballast at +50 went to the settings raised the ballast to 145kg at +50 ran a 1:20.045. Removed all ballast ran a 1:20.025 only change besides ballast was downforce going from 6 to 5. No way that changing the weight and its distribution should have that small an impact on the cars handling and lap times.