UK:Gran Turismo Sport on track to be No.1 PS4 exclusive of the year in sales

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GTS is already at 400-500k in 2017(estimate as we don’t have digital but physical is over 300k so far)
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...-requests-updates.362085/page-2#post-12090802
I wonder what people do with their unpacked copy. Put it in the fridge, waiting for update?
I understand that some people have started their Christmas shopping, but still, such discrepancies cast serious doubt on those sales numbers.

GT5 did ~600k in 2010.
GT5 shipped 5 weeks later in the year.
 
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...-requests-updates.362085/page-2#post-12090802
I wonder what people do with their unpacked copy. Put it in the fridge, waiting for update?
I understand that some people have started their Christmas shopping, but still, such discrepancies cast serious doubt on those sales numbers.


GT5 shipped 5 weeks later in the year.
GFK provide sales numbers for all UK entertainment, from movies, to music to videogames. They cover all the major retailers.

In the last 7 -14 days GT Sport has sold over 160K at UK retail. Given the nature of Black Friday sales and Christmas buys, I'd say the vast majority were either put aside for Christmas or on people's backlogs. In the last few weeks I've bought the Horizon and Uncharted DLC, plus Last Guardian from PSN sales, but haven't started any yet.
 
Yeah but it deserved to be the number 1 PS4 exclusive IMO... though i know that’s not how these things work
In the US it's the 8th best selling game of the year, and the 2nd highest selling exclusive, behind Zelda on Switch. We have to remember PS4 is sold in over 100 markets and each have different preferences. While some may only contribute a fraction of sales, when you start adding up dozens of markets, you end up with some pretty big numbers.
 
Ultimately, the franchise should be beating a 3rd party collection of remasters and a new IP - it hasn't been too great a year for PS4 exclusives..

I disagree.
GT Sport,Horizon Zero Dawn,Yakuza Zero,MLB The Show 2017,Persona 5 to name but a few.
Plus Nioh and Nier Automata which were originally exclusives but have since been ported to pc.

The only system that it could be argued had better exclusives would be the Switch, but all they released were sequels to old games which in that market is a sure sell.
 
I disagree.
GT Sport,Horizon Zero Dawn,Yakuza Zero,MLB The Show 2017,Persona 5 to name but a few.
Plus Nioh and Nier Automata which were originally exclusives but have since been ported to pc.

The only system that it could be argued had better exclusives would be the Switch, but all they released were sequels to old games which in that market is a sure sell.

All but two of the games you've listed are also sequels too, however. Seems that tends to be the case for most platforms, really.

I feel like @Brend meant more so in terms of previous PS4 years, not necessarily in comparison to other platforms in 2017. That's how I took it, anyway.
 
It doesn't hurt that, even though Black Friday is over, GT Sport can still, quite easily, be picked up for around £18 ($24 US).

For a game that has been out for less than three months that's a bargain price.
 
It doesn't hurt that, even though Black Friday is over, GT Sport can still, quite easily, be picked up for around £18 ($24 US).

For a game that has been out for less than three months that's a bargain price.

Indeed. If people have even a passing interest in racing games, that's a fantastic price. I do wonder how many people are picking it up without reading/knowing the essentially always-online aspect of it, though. Should be slightly less of an issue after the December update, however.
 
I disagree.
GT Sport,Horizon Zero Dawn,Yakuza Zero,MLB The Show 2017,Persona 5 to name but a few.
Plus Nioh and Nier Automata which were originally exclusives but have since been ported to pc.

The only system that it could be argued had better exclusives would be the Switch, but all they released were sequels to old games which in that market is a sure sell.
Sales wise in terms of relevancy in the UK? It has. Aside from a few #1 debuts most of the games in your list didn't leave a scratch (as they wouldn't, most of those are niche)

How many are 1st party from that list?

Also, the Switch has had a sequel to a game released 2 years ago and an entirely new IP. And in the UK Market, that is most certainly not a 'sure sell'. Hardly 'old' games.

Also, @SlipZtrEm is correct. I meant this year, specifically. It's GT's to win, really.

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No.1 exclusive world wide or just in the UK? Uk media outlet so assuming just in the UK.
 
It doesn't hurt that, even though Black Friday is over, GT Sport can still, quite easily, be picked up for around £18 ($24 US).

For a game that has been out for less than three months that's a bargain price.

That's just one online retailer as far as I know. At the bigger ones like amazon, GAME, Tesco Argos it's back to between £30-40 and £50 on PSN.
 
That's just one online retailer as far as I know. At the bigger ones like amazon, GAME, Tesco Argos it's back to between £30-40 and £50 on PSN.

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Wow that aweful pricing, given they get the full cut of the pie Sony Should at least match the other stores. Unless that's part of a price guarantee contract with retailers.
 
Sales wise in terms of relevancy in the UK? It has. Aside from a few #1 debuts most of the games in your list didn't leave a scratch (as they wouldn't, most of those are niche)

How many are 1st party from that list?

Also, the Switch has had a sequel to a game released 2 years ago and an entirely new IP. And in the UK Market, that is most certainly not a 'sure sell'. Hardly 'old' games.

Also, @SlipZtrEm is correct. I meant this year, specifically. It's GT's to win, really.

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This year will be a toss up between GT Sport and Horizon worldwide. Crash has been very big too, in fact it's ahead of Horizon in the UK.

Horizon was at 3.4m 8 months ago, and was charting high in the UK, Europe and US until late summer. With the DLC and a Definitive Edition releasing next week, it should be closer to 6m, if not more.

If I had to guesstimate I'd put GT Sport at 3.5m right now. At a stretch it maybe 5m by the end of the year if still bundled. Even though there's plenty of hype round Black Friday and November, December is still the biggest month for hardware (not 100% sure on software as big releases passed).
 
And pretty much no one took them seriously, you know, like I said.

The question was, and remains, how well will it sell in comparison to past GT's.

Now the other part of your post, will circa GT6 level be a 'win' for them. On that we will never know, as to be a win it would arguably have to break even (and we have never know that for any GT title due to the corporate structure PD sits within, we can only speculate), and it would need to exceed PD and Sony's sales expectations (which again they don't make public).

In that regard the aggressive discounting by both retail outlets and Sony themselves was personally A surprise, as I can;t recall it happening this quickly for any past GT title. It could be an indication of wanting to drive up sales numbers at the cost of revenue, but we are unlikely to ever know that for sure.


Off topic, but for me it was one of the best surprises of the year. A stunning looking title that plays well, and has a reasonably engaging story (by game standards)
I don't believe that at all, I think it's pretty silly to say no one took those people serious. People were genuinely feeling GTS was going to struggle in sales. People still do. It's still possible that it doesn't reach 6 million. I would consider that (under 5 million) a 'flop' in terms of GT titles. I would think PD and Sony consider that it's a good seller as it did over 2 million, but for GT's (which were both talking about) that shouldn't cut it. But my opinion was based off of what GT6 is at and if that's now the norm for a racing game, even of GT's standing.
 
I don't believe that at all, I think it's pretty silly to say no one took those people serious. People were genuinely feeling GTS was going to struggle in sales. People still do. It's still possible that it doesn't reach 6 million. I would consider that (under 5 million) a 'flop' in terms of GT titles. I would think PD and Sony consider that it's a good seller as it did over 2 million, but for GT's (which were both talking about) that shouldn't cut it. But my opinion was based off of what GT6 is at and if that's now the norm for a racing game, even of GT's standing.
In the GTP poll, nearly 70% of respondents figured GTS would sell between 4 and 10 million. More than 60% predicted GT6 sales levels or better. Pretty clear that the majority of poeple thought the game was going to do fairly well.
 
I haven't tried HZD yet, but I probably will over the holidays. To be honest none of the pre-release gameplay footage interested me. It looked far too repetitive, but with a free code alongside my Pro, I'm definitely curious to try it.

It's my GOTY on any platform. I platinumed it except for one trophy which a bug is keeping me from attaining.
 
I recall a lot of people in these threads suggesting it wouldn't sell, as well as not sell well compared to past GT titles. You still have those people, even in this thread, saying things like the game is a flop. I don't think everyone saying that is trolling, they genuinely feel GT Sport won't do good in sales. Imo, it will do current GT6 level sales in about the same time period and any more than that is a win for them.
We still have people stating if it sells less than GT 5 its a flop despite the fact no Forza has ever cracked 4 million sales.
 
In the GTP poll, nearly 70% of respondents figured GTS would sell between 4 and 10 million. More than 60% predicted GT6 sales levels or better. Pretty clear that the majority of poeple thought the game was going to do fairly well.
At the same time, that leaves around 30-40% believing it will sell less. Selling at GT6 levels is what I myself predicted and have said multiple times. I don't consider that bad. In terms of GT games it's low but if it sells that amount is it deemed a success by PD and Sony? That's what I think is to be the biggest factor. But the racing genre hasn't been doing as good as it was in the mid 2000's, so they surely have to realize that. I think that's at least one reason why they went in the SPORT direction.
 
I don't believe that at all, I think it's pretty silly to say no one took those people serious. People were genuinely feeling GTS was going to struggle in sales. People still do. It's still possible that it doesn't reach 6 million. I would consider that (under 5 million) a 'flop' in terms of GT titles. I would think PD and Sony consider that it's a good seller as it did over 2 million, but for GT's (which were both talking about) that shouldn't cut it. But my opinion was based off of what GT6 is at and if that's now the norm for a racing game, even of GT's standing.
I said pretty much no one, not no one.

Can you please stop quote mining my posts to try and prove a point.

It's easily dismissed for what it is and to be blunt annoyingly missleading.

Quote what I actually say, not what you want me to have said.
 
I would think PD and Sony consider that it's a good seller as it did over 2 million, but for GT's (which were both talking about) that shouldn't cut it.

Given the likely high cost of licensing, running a 200 person studio for 4 years, travelling all over the world to get Scapes data, a bunch of marketing events and the ongoing need to run servers, I would be really, really surprised if they considered 2 million a good seller. I'd imagine that would barely cover their costs at 2 million full price copies, and we all know how fast the price drop went in.

Realistically, it's doing OK. It's probably cost them as much or more than any previous game simply due to the increasing size of the studio, and it's looking to be one of the "not 10 million copies" games along with GT5P and GT6. I doubt Sony or PD are throwing parties at the financial success of the title.

However, I expect them to lean heavily on DLC sales. I suspect that's what the early price drop is indicating. They'd like outright sales, but they'll take sheer numbers that they can convert into DLC or microtransaction sales. It's a valid tactic, although it a slightly unfortunate time in the industry if they're going to try it. But as long as they stay away from loot boxes they should be fine.
 
You mean like NDP charts.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/top-20-best-selling-games-in-the-us-for-october-20/1100-6455033/



but it is selling crazy.

It's a new Ip single player only title. Plus Guerilla never had massive sales.

Sales wise it's doing great.
For October NPD GTSport actually sold 15k more despite being ranked lower and having less time on the charts. According to MatPiscatella of NPD. This is due to them ranking by revenue and not unit sells on software.
 
Did you even bother clicking what I linked?:lol:
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Well if you had, you'd realize that what I posted AND what you posted both list GTS at number 6 in October on PS4. And since this thread is talking about PS4 exclusives, I'll once again refer you to Mr. Khaled.
 
I said pretty much no one, not no one.

Can you please stop quote mining my posts to try and prove a point.

It's easily dismissed for what it is and to be blunt annoyingly missleading.

Quote what I actually say, not what you want me to have said.
I don't know what "quote mining" is. I quoted your words and replied to them. I bolded the issue I had with your post and that specific point. I don't know if you're getting offended or something but you took issue with what I said about the sales and how people genuinely think the game will do (poorly). Maybe the internet sites I visit is a small sampling of the larger purchasing group, but this point is GTP isn't the only site that has members or fans commenting that they feel like this GT is going to sell a lot less. I don't think they are trolling. I know a lot do troll the subject to get a rise out of people but my reply is as genuine as others' concerns about the sales of this game. Apologies if you feel like I'm dragging it on because I think the game will be about equal to GT6 sales wise, so I'm not trying to troll or whatever.

Given the likely high cost of licensing, running a 200 person studio for 4 years, travelling all over the world to get Scapes data, a bunch of marketing events and the ongoing need to run servers, I would be really, really surprised if they considered 2 million a good seller. I'd imagine that would barely cover their costs at 2 million full price copies, and we all know how fast the price drop went in.

Realistically, it's doing OK. It's probably cost them as much or more than any previous game simply due to the increasing size of the studio, and it's looking to be one of the "not 10 million copies" games along with GT5P and GT6. I doubt Sony or PD are throwing parties at the financial success of the title.

However, I expect them to lean heavily on DLC sales. I suspect that's what the early price drop is indicating. They'd like outright sales, but they'll take sheer numbers that they can convert into DLC or microtransaction sales. It's a valid tactic, although it a slightly unfortunate time in the industry if they're going to try it. But as long as they stay away from loot boxes they should be fine.
I'm talking about 2 million by the end of the year. Should have clarified that because someone else mentioned it. I think the holiday season is obviously the best time to get sales. It'll be about 3 months that GTS has been out. If they can do that in the Xmas season they should be happy because the sales will definitely die down after the years over. But GT has been pretty good with staying power so it should equal that holiday sales amount the rest of it's shelf life I would feel.

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I don't know what "quote mining" is. I quoted your words and replied to them. I bolded the issue I had with your post and that specific point. I don't know if you're getting offended or something but you took issue with what I said about the sales and how people genuinely think the game will do (poorly). Maybe the internet sites I visit is a small sampling of the larger purchasing group, but this point is GTP isn't the only site that has members or commenters that feel like this GT is going to sell a lot less. I don't think they are trolling. I know a lot do troll the subject to get a rise out of people but my reply is as genuine as others' concerns about the sales of this game. Apologies if you feel like I'm dragging it on because I think the game will be about equal to GT6 sales wise.
Quote mining is when you quote someone and change what they have said to allow you to then present a strawman argument.

An example would be basing a point around a claim that some one said "no one", when they actually said "pretty much no one". These changing what they said and the context around it.

To do it once could be considered accidental, to do it twice starts to look rather deliberate.

So no you didn't accurately represent what I said, you ammended it to make it an absolute position, and then went as far as to ridicule it as a position, one I never held and never said.

"I think it's pretty silly to say no one took those people serious."

Now if you can quote me saying that no one (as an absolute) took them seriously you would have a point, but I didn't say that, and was quite deliberate in ensuring I didn't state it as an absolute.

Oh and don't double post.

However your post above does allow me to use it as example.

If I took your words "I'm talking about 2 million by the end of the year", and then replied to them as if you had said GTS had done "2 million" already, would feel as if that was an honest reflection of your actual words?

As wittingly or not, that's what you have done.
 
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Quote mining is when you quote someone and change what they have said to allow you to then present a strawman argument.

An example would be basing a point around a claim that some one said "no one", when they actually said "pretty much no one". These changing what they said and the context around it.

To do it once could be considered accidental, to do it twice starts to look rather deliberate.

So no you didn't accurately represent what I said, you ammended it to make it an absolute position, and then went as far as to ridicule it as a position, one I never held and never said.

"I think it's pretty silly to say no one took those people serious."

Now if you can quote me saying that no one (as an absolute) took them seriously you would have a point, but I didn't say that, and was quite deliberate in ensuring I didn't state it as an absolute.

Oh and don't double post.

However your post above does allow me to use it as example.

If I took your words "I'm talking about 2 million by the end of the year", and then replied to them as if you had said GTS had done "2 million" already, would feel as if that was an honest reflection of your actual words?

As wittingly or not, that's what you have done.
So what you're getting at is me saying "it's silly to say no one took those people serious" when you actually didn't literally mean "no one" by saying "pretty much no one" :lol:. I didn't think it was that big of a deal that I had to reply verbatim. You know, as in it was a general statement. I took yours to mean you felt most people didn't take them serious. I wasn't changing your statement because I was speaking generally as well. There's no reason to get hung up on silly little things like that. I wasn't trying to say you meant it exactly as I typed and literally meant NO ONE instead of a jokingly stated "pretty much". I'm not an english major, man! And where I'm from is an entirely different area than where you are from. Things like language may be the same but how we type it or how we mean it can come across wrong. Like I said in my last post, I wasn't trying to upset you or misuse your words. So apologies for that. I didn't double post on purpose, I had two windows open so accidentally submitted one. I edited the two replies into one but I couldn't delete the second post, that's why I said dupe. Unless you can show me how to do that.
 
So what you're getting at is me saying "it's silly to say no one took those people serious" when you actually didn't literally mean "no one" by saying "pretty much no one" :lol:. I didn't think it was that big of a deal that I had to reply verbatim. You know, as in it was a general statement. I took yours to mean you felt most people didn't take them serious. I wasn't changing your statement because I was speaking generally as well. There's no reason to get hung up on silly little things like that. I wasn't trying to say you meant it exactly as I typed and literally meant NO ONE instead of a jokingly stated "pretty much". I'm not an english major, man! And where I'm from is an entirely different area than where you are from. Things like language may be the same but how we type it or how we mean it can come across wrong. Like I said in my last post, I wasn't trying to upset you or misuse your words. So apologies for that. I didn't double post on purpose, I had two windows open so accidentally submitted one. I edited the two replies into one but I couldn't delete the second post, that's why I said dupe. Unless you can show me how to do that.
You didn't think you had to reply with the same words and their meaning as used in the post you replied to:confused:
 
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