UK:Gran Turismo Sport on track to be No.1 PS4 exclusive of the year in sales

[MisterOne77]

Wow that aweful pricing, given they get the full cut of the pie Sony Should at least match the other stores. Unless that's part of a price guarantee contract with retailers.

The game is still well over $70 in CAD.

 

[KingFrog]

The game is still well over $70 in CAD.

People keep using this "pricing" argument. I guess if a game never drops in price its selling well COUGH COUGH gravity rush 2.

You mean like NDP charts.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/top-20-best-selling-games-in-the-us-for-october-20/1100-6455033/



but it is selling crazy.

It's a new Ip single player only title. Plus Guerilla never had massive sales.

Sales wise it's doing great.

The last of us sold 7 million.. lol

 

[Huzar]

Did you even bother clicking what I linked?
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Well if you had, you'd realize that what I posted AND what you posted both list GTS at number 6 in October on PS4. And since this thread is talking about PS4 exclusives, I'll once again refer you to Mr. Khaled.

Do you bother reading ? It never made it into the top ten US charts, i never said it didn't make the PS4 top ten. But i have no need to cherry pick and spin things. lol 6th on debut is supposed to be an achievement ?

 

[Sick Cylinder]

I've never seen a GT title be so heavily promoted before - the posters were on roadside hoardings and bus shelters all round my local town. It's been on permanent discount almost since release at my local supermarket and the game was bundled with the PS4 on Black Friday - so of course the numbers are going to be huge!

However will it continue to shift in big numbers after Christmas? GT6 continued to sell steadily for a long time after launch, but I'm not sure GTS can do that.

I realise it's not a representative sample, but of all the people I work with who bought GT5 and 6 none have bought GTS - I would classify them all as casual gamers - none have bought AC or Project Cars either.

 

[Gnarlyjin]

I've never seen a GT title be so heavily promoted before - the posters were on roadside hoardings and bus shelters all round my local town. It's been on permanent discount almost since release at my local supermarket and the game was bundled with the PS4 on Black Friday - so of course the numbers are going to be huge!

However will it continue to shift in big numbers after Christmas? GT6 continued to sell steadily for a long time after launch, but I'm not sure GTS can do that.

I realise it's not a representative sample, but of all the people I work with who bought GT5 and 6 none have bought GTS - I would classify them all as casual gamers - none have bought AC or Project Cars either.

Yes. Past GT series was casual car games and GTS is online motor sports sim.
I really love this game and GTS is my own GOTY but I don't expect every casual gamers will buy this game.

 

[dylpro]

Do you bother reading ? It never made it into the top ten US charts, i never said it didn't make the PS4 top ten. But i have no need to cherry pick and spin things. lol 6th on debut is supposed to be an achievement ?

You quoted a post asking if it was the No. 1 exclusive world wide to which you responded it didn't crack the top ten in the US. Didn't specify anything and one would assume if you're responding to a post asking about exclusives, in a thread about PS4 exclusives, you'd be referring to the top ten exclusives, which I pointed out to you (using the same link you posted, after I'd posted it) GTS was 6th. In fact, you are cherry picking and spinning things trying to make it seem like you didn't just get proven wrong.

GTS was also the number 1 USA/Europe seller during its debut week, beating out South Park during the same debut week. All of your posts keep trying to claim GTS has been a sales flop when all of the evidence points to the contrary. But whatever, you're not cherry picking right?

 

[Adam Duffield]

Granted it's probably because of the price drop but I think selling it at what they reduced it to was probably about the right price considering how much of the game we have. Don't get me wrong personally I think it's one of the best GT's I've played in ages and believe it will keep getting better with more updates in the future.

 

[CavUk1]

Not bad as about 65% of the comments on Facebook were slagging this game off to begin with and now PD are introducing a single player mode more and more people seem to be interested in the game once again

 

[VXR]

I've had it (GTS) and my PS4 for less than 2 weeks and I can safely say as a UK gamer, it thoroughly deserves its sales status. It has rejuvenated a flagging franchise, something FM7 could have done with.

 

[breyzipp]

I think GT:Sport is a great game but outselling Horizon Zero Dawn for 2017? I don’t think so, the latter is an outstanding game.

Of course one is heavily multiplayer focussed while the other is purely singleplayer so you never know, but wasn’t HZD already at 3.4 million units sold before the Frozen Wilds expansion pack and Black friday sales?

 

[BSDShoes]

I've had it (GTS) and my PS4 for less than 2 weeks and I can safely say as a UK gamer, it thoroughly deserves its sales status. It has rejuvenated a flagging franchise, something FM7 could have done with.

I picked up PCARS2 and played it for a while then picked up FM7 the day it released (no preordering) and played that pretty heavily (albeit the crashes and weird launch issues on PC) and then got GTS, GTS has been pretty much stealing all my gaming time and hasn't slowed down yet. Although I still try and get squeeze in a race in iRacing once in a while.

I've been a Forza player since FM2 and FM7 seems to have lost my interest now, it's just not as good as FM3-4 and 6 were, but it does have better wheel physics and FFB compared to other Forzas though.

 

[IngRobNy]

“At No.3 is Gran Turismo Sport, which has benefitted from some serious discounting over the last few weeks. It is just a few weeks away from eclipsing Crash Bandicoot as the No.1 PS4 exclusive of the year.“

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articl...ll-of-duty-wwii-scores-fifth-consecutive-no-1

Insane! First of all that Crash Bandicoot outsold Horizon there and that GTS will soon eclipse it with much less time on the market.

It is on track to have the best launch year of GT franchise ever in UK.

GT5 did ~600k in 2010.
GTS is already at 400-500k in 2017(estimate as we don’t have digital but physical is over 300k so far)

And i think it will sell even more now after the news about single player GT mode, that's why i bought it .

 

[SHGTP]

While you can't quantify such things, it does appear as if WoM for GT Sport has notably improved in recent weeks. I put this down both to new users picking it up on sale, and being pleasantly surprised, and the DLC roadmap addressing concerns about content and single player.

 

[TomBrady]

It's insane that horizon isn't the best seller. It's hands down the game of the year on PlayStation at least. I'd say it's better than Zelda as well but Zelda will probably win most awards.

 

[Huzar]

You quoted a post asking if it was the No. 1 exclusive world wide to which you responded it didn't crack the top ten in the US. Didn't specify anything and one would assume if you're responding to a post asking about exclusives, in a thread about PS4 exclusives, you'd be referring to the top ten exclusives, which I pointed out to you (using the same link you posted, after I'd posted it) GTS was 6th. In fact, you are cherry picking and spinning things trying to make it seem like you didn't just get proven wrong.

GTS was also the number 1 USA/Europe seller during its debut week, beating out South Park during the same debut week. All of your posts keep trying to claim GTS has been a sales flop when all of the evidence points to the contrary. But whatever, you're not cherry picking right?

Neither of us was wrong, but i see you're not comprehending that by reading what we both wrote. Would you like me to better explain it to you ?

When was GTSport #1 in US ? no sales chart in the US has that flop making it to #1

 

[SlipZtrEm]

flop

Honestly, you could at least try to mask your intentions at this point.

 

[Huzar]

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Honestly, you could at least try to mask your intentions at this point.

Check the flops US amazon ranking, tell me how it's not a flop. You think such low ranking on the largest online retailers website has no bearing on overall market sales ?

Gtsports sales are kin to the next Star war movie failing to break 50million debut in US.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Check the flops US amazon ranking, tell me how it's not a flop. You think such low ranking on the largest online retailers website has no bearing on overall market sales ?

Tell me how it is one. Amazon charts mean almost nothing to anybody except Amazon, here's why:
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/8-things-people-dont-know-amazons-bestsellers-rank-sales-rank/

So, do you have actual sales figures for the different regions of the world? And Sony's own targets, to determine if it is indeed a flop or not?

Gtsports sales are kin to the next Star war movie failing to break 50million debut in US.

Ah, an apples to goats comparison.

 

[Huzar]

Tell me how it is one. Amazon charts mean almost nothing to anybody except Amazon, here's why:
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/8-things-people-dont-know-amazons-bestsellers-rank-sales-rank/

So, do you have actual sales figures for the different regions of the world? And Sony's own targets, to determine if it is indeed a flop or not?

Ah, an apples to goats comparison.

Thanks for the link, care to point me to where it disproves anything i said ?. It's very book specific nor talks about amazon being or not being a mirror of a larger retail sales market. Amazon charts mean a ton, it show blatantly clear market interest in a product in comparison to its competitors. PS4 software overall software all gaming. Even funnier is how many time's i've seen people here championing GTspots amazon rankings in Uk or France lol. Guess it's only relevant when positive towards some people emotions.

Do you prefer a more direct comparison. GT5 maybe ? in comparison to it GTsport is quite a flop.

 

[dylpro]

Neither of us was wrong, but i see you're not comprehending that by reading what we both wrote. Would you like me to better explain it to you ?

When was GTSport #1 in US ? no sales chart in the US has that flop making it to #1

You are wrong. You didn't say #1

Only UK, Gtsport never even made it into the top ten in USA.

I'm comprehending it quite well. I think you're forgetting what you've written after 180 some odd posts about how much of a "flop" GTS is.

Here's another link disproving your claims. Click it this time.

GTS is closing in and has probably surpassed 1 million since that just shows 1 week on the charts. 33rd overall for yearly sales amongst all platforms. Compared to Forza 7 with at 97th.

 

[chromatic9]

The real question is how much did Sony/PD put in to make GT Sport and what are the plans.

Right now at half price it's not a bad game with the coming updates and other offline challenges the game shipped with. I feel it's priced accordingly. It's Prologue esque.

Problem is we bought GT5P one year into PS3, it was released half price and was head and shoulders graphically above anything. GT Sport has been in development for 4 years. Have they just looked at GT7 and thought no chance, we'd need lots of outsourcing and the cost could be double of GT5 and moved to a much slower paced cheaper structure with paid DLC.

 

[Lee x sensai]

You know what maybe I stick around more in sale thread. I love reading sale thread reactions every time it updates.

 

[AKps3]

Gran Turismo Sport Sells an Estimated 982,000 Units First Week at Retail - Sales
http://www.vgchartz.com/article/270...-estimated-982000-units-first-week-at-retail/

sorry wrong thread

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Thanks for the link, care to point me to where it disproves anything i said ?. It's very book specific nor talks about amazon being or not being a mirror of a larger retail sales market.

Amazon charts are relative. I'm not the one claiming Amazon is a mirror of larger retail sales markets — that's you:

Amazon charts mean a ton, it show blatantly clear market interest in a product in comparison to its competitors.

It shows relative interest at a lone digital retailer.

PS4 software overall software all gaming. Even funnier is how many time's i've seen people here championing GTspots amazon rankings in Uk or France lol. Guess it's only relevant when positive towards some people emotions.

Amazon rankings are useless either way. You'll find me saying as much in those "positive" discussions, too.

Do you prefer a more direct comparison. GT5 maybe ? in comparison to it GTsport is quite a flop.

Ah, so you've got lifetime sales of GT Sport to compare to GT5's? We're a fairly modest bunch here at GTPlanet, so we'll just ask for those figures, not access to the time machine you must've used to get them.

No racing game* has sold what GT5 has since, well, GT5. The entire genre is down: all XB1 Forza games have sold less than FM3, as just one example.

Since we don't know Sony/PD's targets for GT Sport, it's premature to call it a flop. That is what you seemingly don't understand: I'm not arguing that it's a raging success, I'm simply saying we don't know either way.

* - maybe one of the Mario Karts, I'm not sure.

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While I'm sure the general order of the rankings is fairly accurate, it's still a VGChartz source.

The real question is how much did Sony/PD put in to make GT Sport and what are the plans.

Right now at half price it's not a bad game with the coming updates and other offline challenges the game shipped with. I feel it's priced accordingly. It's Prologue esque.

Problem is we bought GT5P one year into PS3, it was released half price and was head and shoulders graphically above anything. GT Sport has been in development for 4 years. Have they just looked at GT7 and thought no chance, we'd need lots of outsourcing and the cost could be double of GT5 and moved to a much slower paced cheaper structure with paid DLC.

Sh, get out of here with your sense and logic!

It's a timely reminder that, when it was first announced, GT Sport was meant to be slightly cheaper than a usual mainline GT entry. It was also pitched as somewhere between the traditional games and a prologue...

 

[Huzar]

You are wrong. You didn't say #1

I'm comprehending it quite well. I think you're forgetting what you've written after 180 some odd posts about how much of a "flop" GTS is.

Here's another link disproving your claims. Click it this time.

GTS is closing in and has probably surpassed 1 million since that just shows 1 week on the charts. 33rd overall for yearly sales amongst all platforms. Compared to Forza 7 with at 97th.

So vgcharts numbers are good on here now ?, casue anytime someone used them to show GTs failure they are attacked for using fake numbers. They don't even rebut the arguments just dismiss everything due to vgcharts. Seriously you all need to make a decision one way or another. Then again if its pro Gt anything goes right.

 

[ScottPuss20]

Do you bother reading ? It never made it into the top ten US charts, i never said it didn't make the PS4 top ten. But i have no need to cherry pick and spin things. lol 6th on debut is supposed to be an achievement ?

Do you maybe think that Europe is the main market for GT Sport?

 

[Huzar]

Amazon charts are relative. I'm not the one claiming Amazon is a mirror of larger retail sales markets — that's you:
It shows relative interest at a lone digital retailer.

Amazon rankings are useless either way. You'll find me saying as much in those "positive" discussions, too.

Ah, so you've got lifetime sales of GT Sport to compare to GT5's? We're a fairly modest bunch here at GTPlanet, so we'll just ask for those figures, not access to the time machine you must've used to get them.

No racing game* has sold what GT5 has since, well, GT5. The entire genre is down: all XB1 Forza games have sold less than FM3, as just one example.

Since we don't know Sony/PD's targets for GT Sport, it's premature to call it a flop. That is what you seemingly don't understand: I'm not arguing that it's a raging success, I'm simply saying we don't know either way.

* - maybe one of the Mario Karts, I'm not sure.

While I'm sure the general order of the rankings is fairly accurate, it's still a VGChartz source.

Sh, get out of here with your sense and logic!

It's a timely reminder that, when it was first announced, GT Sport was meant to be slightly cheaper than a usual mainline GT entry. It was also pitched as somewhere between the traditional games and a prologue...

Yes relative. Based on amazon i can already say GTsport will be down in US from GT6. Hey eventually once PD updates their website numbers some one will be proven right and wrong.

As far as Forza ever think that may have a little something to due with yearly releases and especially Xbox1s pathetic sales ? Hard to sale the same when your user base was cut by 2/3rds. In comparison GTsport which is releasing on a much larger user base then GT5 ever did, it's the first GT on PS4 to boot. And if we are using vgchartz, then Horizon 3 is doing pretty damn good.

Damn nearly every game is selling half or a 1/3rd on X1 that it's selling on PS4. User base greatly matters.

Actually i very much understand. We may not know exact specifics, but just look at GT past sales and PS4 user base and continues pace of sales and it's easily extrapolated. I do similar work every month. Given Gts sales history over 3 generations and you can take a very good easy to make guess what their targets would be more or less. It goes the same across retail just factor in market realities. None of these devs go into a project expecting less, it's always grown sale's or least maintain them. To be honest after such a fiasco as GT6, they should have toned them down due to potential franchise damage, but then if you look the the PS4 success it kinda negates that.

Rough guesstimates are that hard. Even dev costs are easy nuff, median dev wages in japan team size and years dev time = decent estimate of costs. Marketing budget would actually be trickier, that just comes down to how much they can afford at a given time and or deem worth their goals.

Apperantly sony pays pretty well https://www.geek.com/games/the-average-salary-at-square-enix-japan-is-273000-1500147/

 

[Rautz]

So vgcharts numbers are good on here now ?.

IMO VG Chartz numbers should never be used for a last resort to aid debates about rankings, sales numbers etc. It doesnt matter whether used as a pro or con, to me a post is not worth reading when it bases it's information on those well thought our VG Chartz guesses.
If you notice other people trying to use VG Chartz "numbers" in their arguments then you may as well ignore the posts.

 

[SHGTP]

We're getting on for almost 2 months since GT Sport released.

We know it's set to be the biggest PlayStation exclusive in the UK, and will sell between 400K-500K this year. It's now performing well in Europe, returning to the top five in France, Germany etc. At the very least it looks like GT Sport will top GT6's 6m......I personally think it'll be nearer 8m.

Not sure why the comparison with Forza and install base. In the US install bases are similar, and as it turned out, launch month sales where similar. In other markets, sales reflected install base (or better). In the UK GT Sport sold over 3x FM7 launch week.....today it's an even higher ratio. At an extreme, FM7 sold 4K in Japan (launch week), while GT Sport now stands at 198K.

 

[dylpro]

While I'm sure the general order of the rankings is fairly accurate, it's still a VGChartz source.

Unlike @Huzar, I'll admit when I'm wrong and that I don't really follow the sales data and numbers so if VGChartz isn't a good source then I'll redact the statement. It was the only thing I found with numbers which is why I used it, didn't know they were not accurate.

Yes relative. Based on amazon i can already say GTsport will be down in US from GT6. Hey eventually once PD updates their website numbers some one will be proven right and wrong.

As far as Forza ever think that may have a little something to due with yearly releases and especially Xbox1s pathetic sales ? Hard to sale the same when your user base was cut by 2/3rds. In comparison GTsport which is releasing on a much larger user base then GT5 ever did, it's the first GT on PS4 to boot. And if we are using vgchartz, then Horizon 3 is doing pretty damn good.

Damn nearly every game is selling half or a 1/3rd on X1 that it's selling on PS4. User base greatly matters.

That's a bold statement. Wasn't GT6 the worst selling entry yet? IMO, there's no way GTS doesn't outsell GT6. Whenever the numbers do come out I think you'll find you're sorely wrong. But by then I'm sure you'll come up with something new about how GTS is a "flop"