Vintage Trans Am Series

[Skeletor27]

I might be interested in a modern trans-am series. Basically you are talking about GT1/GT2 class cars. (I happen to have all the American GT race cars)

I think the selection in G1 class is adequate. The idea behind the G1 series, is the car selection to be mostly race car chasis cars. And the G2 is stock chasis. Adjusting PP in G1 to accommodate normal cars kinda defeats the purpose of even having 2 classes.

 

[Mudd]

Good point. I honestly enjoy the setup as it is, just been tossing around ideas to make it more appealing to others. The more cars we have on the track, the better, I think

 

[Kalmiya117]

Modern Trans Am does sound interesting. Here's a thought on Vintage Season 2: there doesnt seem to be a shortage of cars to chose in G2, while the G1 RM cars seem to be unresistable choices. We could consider lowering the PP limits just a bit while making G2 'standard only'. That would force some other car choices in G2 while (hopefully) making the Mach 1 more of a threat in G1. I havn't tested it, but could Skeletor's G2 vette also be usable in G1 with lower limits? This idea would also make the RM's a little less appealing. May not be the answer, but worth looking into

Issue with reducing G1 PP limits, is right now, the Camaro is the Lowest PP limit car. I wanted that on purpose. To lower it would reduce the other cars performance and not so much the camaro.

Either way, I have started playing with Season II cars. (Pending of course eventual revisement of regulations limitations)

 

[Kalmiya117]

 

[Mudd]

...agreed...I'm done dwelling on it, let's just race!

 

[learningcurves]

Speed has a Barrett Jackson Trans Am special on right now.

 

[CAMikaze]

And just a thought, is anyone interested in running a modern day Trans Am series? After we are done with the vintage of course. I have broken down a list of cars into 3 catagories, will post if anyone is interested.

I would be interested in giving this series a shot. I have a gift card for a '08 Challenger(Premium) that I've yet to redeem.

 

[200MphFord]

I like the idea of a modern series but lets hold off on that until we finish thos series.

 

[Skeletor27]

 

[Kalmiya117]

Did some light testing with some of the members. I can def say in the group II, The Mustang Mach I can go against my Camaro and do extremely well. I am sure the Charger 440 R/t is a lost cause for trying to race.

The Art Morrison Corvette after watching Skel run it, I am sure can not compete in group 1. I may downgrade it to Group II standings. I have yet to finsih testing my Trans Cammer for group I use.

Also, during testing I discovered (perhaps later than some and with help of skel) the benefits of using just the Ballast, Power Limiter, and areo adjustments to get PP within a range. But start using a mixture of components in the engine to get max power limit usage (as close to 100% as possible) with lower weight. I am going to start re tuning several of my PP limited cars to try this out. However I honestly could not find a better combo for the Camaro. I am still trying to get some clean laps in with the challenger to see how well it will do next season.

And, I also ran the fastest Deep Forest Camaro RM Lap time I have ever ran. 1:10:140.

 

[coolracer101]

I was trying to set up an cuda in 550 pp with no good results , Ill be working in this car . the challenger is very good car and very fast, the corvette convertible his rear have to drive carefully it the corners and the chevelle have a lot of power but is difficult to control I think lowering the power to best control.I am working because I love this cars

 

[Skeletor27]

The Art Morrison Corvette after watching Skel run it, I am sure can not compete in group 1. I may downgrade it to Group II standings. I have yet to finsih testing my Trans Cammer for group I use.

Agreed, the '60 Corvette only reached 575 pp, and doesn't handle well enough to compete in G1 class. I've done a little bit of experimenting with the trans cammer, and it doesn't seem like it will be good enough for G1 either, close though. If it had adjustable front & rear downforce, like the other race cars.... but it doesn't.
I think the GT40 race car is a good solution for the Ford guys. It only hits about 590+pp, ~525 hp, just under 1000 kg. Handles really well.

Also, during testing I discovered (perhaps later than some and with help of skel) the benefits of using just the Ballast, Power Limiter, and areo adjustments to get PP within a range. But start using a mixture of components in the engine to get max power limit usage (as close to 100% as possible) with lower weight. I am going to start re tuning several of my PP limited cars to try this out. However I honestly could not find a better combo for the Camaro. I am still trying to get some clean laps in with the challenger to see how well it will do next season.

I can't take any credit for ballast wieghts, I have yet to even touch the ballast. But the power limiter, if you add all the upgrades, and power limit all the way down to where you need to be, the torque number usually stays about the same, but the power curve gets really messed up. All the torque goes to the bottom of the RPM range, while it gets less @ higher RPM range. Thus affecting your PP. All the torque in the world won't do you any good if it's in a place in the RPM range that you will never use. I reccommend adjusting power by removing/adding components, and the power limiter for small adjustments.

On a side note: I was trying out the difference between the '69 corvette L46 350 & the '69 corvette convertable. Same car, similar wieght, and same size engine. I don't understand why they behave like completely different cars. I would think the hard top should handle a little better? Nope, not even close. I've also noticed a big difference between the 69 camaro ss & the z28. Totally different cars.

 

[esoxhntr]

I was trying out the difference between the '69 corvette L46 350 & the '69 corvette convertable. Same car, similar wieght, and same size engine. .

The L46 is a different engine than what is found in the convertible (q32 I belive) Both are 350s however, they are tuned differently. In stock form the L46 makes 360hp (off the top of my head) at a higher RPM than the convertibles 300 at 5000 (or so).

 

[Skeletor27]

The L46 is a different engine than what is found in the convertible (q32 I belive) Both are 350s however, they are tuned differently. In stock form the L46 makes 360hp (off the top of my head) at a higher RPM than the convertibles 300 at 5000 (or so).

I'm aware they have slightly different engines of the same size. I'm just trying to figure out why they handle completely different. The hard top handles like a bucket of crap compared to the convertible. I always thought coupes handled better because the body is more rigid. Seems to me, PD just half-a5sed most of the standard cars, and gave them generic handling characteristics.

 

[200MphFord]

Skeletor the GT40, with more tuning, can keep up. me and Kal were just doing some practice and this car can definitely hold its own. I've yet to break the 1:10.XXX lap time on Deep Forest but im confident im almost there.

 

[esoxhntr]

I'm aware they have slightly different engines of the same size. I'm just trying to figure out why they handle completely different. The hard top handles like a bucket of crap compared to the convertible. I always thought coupes handled better because the body is more rigid. Seems to me, PD just half-a5sed most of the standard cars, and gave them generic handling characteristics.

You're propably right.

Though the L46 can be tuned to handle almost as good as the convertible - in my experience. At the same PP level the L46 will be faster on the straights, so it's a bit of give and take.

Can't tune out the crappy exhaust note of the L46 PD gave us though.

 

[Skeletor27]

Skeletor the GT40, with more tuning, can keep up. me and Kal were just doing some practice and this car can definitely hold its own. I've yet to break the 1:10.XXX lap time on Deep Forest but im confident im almost there.

I agree. To me, it was a little tail happy, but that's just a minor detail that can be fixed.

You're propably right.
Though the L46 can be tuned to handle almost as good as the convertible - in my experience. At the same PP level the L46 will be faster on the straights, so it's a bit of give and take.

Can't tune out the crappy exhaust note of the L46 PD gave us though.

I don't understand why a lot of the cars are like that. The bigger the exhaust, the smaller the engine sounds. I can tune out the the "turbo v6 sound" by just leaving the exhaust stock.

 

[CobraMustang]

I agree. To me, it was a little tail happy, but that's just a minor detail that can be fixed.



I don't understand why a lot of the cars are like that. The bigger the exhaust, the smaller the engine sounds. I can tune out the the "turbo v6 sound" by just leaving the exhaust stock.

I could not agree more with the exhaust note comments. This is the main reason I do not like to change out exhaust. Not to mention the look of the "upgraded" exhaust, is usually crap. You would think a solid lifter chevy 350 with sidepipes would (and real life does) sound bad as hell, but in the game this is not so. One of the biggest dissapointments in the game imo.

Also what GT40 are you guys tuning, is it the '69?

 

[200MphFord]

Yeah 69 GT40. The 67 would be too much for the Camaro and Challenger. Besides the 69 looks like it just fits right in to this field.

 

[Skeletor27]

I could not agree more with the exhaust note comments. This is the main reason I do not like to change out exhaust. Not to mention the look of the "upgraded" exhaust, is usually crap. You would think a solid lifter chevy 350 with sidepipes would (and real life does) sound bad as hell, but in the game this is not so. One of the biggest dissapointments in the game imo.

Also what GT40 are you guys tuning, is it the '69?

They got a couple of cars right with the exhaust, 69 Z28, '60 Corvette.. But they completely missed with most of them. I don't know how they messed up on that, that badly. But it's really nothing new. Gran Turismo games have ALWAYS been like this.

Yes, the '69 Ford GT40 race car is what I've been reffering to. I am unaware of any other GT40's in the game? Not to be confused with the Ford GT. Which are the modern replicas of the GT40.

 

[200MphFord]

Im talking about the 67 GT40 MKIV Skeletor.

 

[CobraMustang]

Here is the list I put together for the modern T/A series. Feel free to make additions/subractions and general comments if you like the list or not. I have not done any testing or even looked at specs for these cars. I am just going off the complete car list and putting things together based on my knowledge of these cars and thinking they may be competitve against each other. I'm not suggesting to run all 3 groups either, just getting list together, we can work out details later.

I know I am jumping the gun on this, as we need to complete the Vintage series first. But I wanted to get this in front of you guys to get some feedback. Thanks.

 

[coolracer101]

CobraMustang thanks for the table, there are not the vintage cars that we are racing now

 

[Kalmiya117]

Here is the list I put together for the modern T/A series. Feel free to make additions/subractions and general comments if you like the list or not. I have not done any testing or even looked at specs for these cars. I am just going off the complete car list and putting things together based on my knowledge of these cars and thinking they may be competitve against each other. I'm not suggesting to run all 3 groups either, just getting list together, we can work out details later.

I know I am jumping the gun on this, as we need to complete the Vintage series first. But I wanted to get this in front of you guys to get some feedback. Thanks.

I Like it. Good Job. I have the Viper GTS-R #91 and recently acquired that lovely Falcon XR8 (loved that car in GT3.)

 

[Skeletor27]

What about the 2010 Camaro SS RM? I think that should be included in the Group 1 as well.

 

[coolracer101]

I Like it. Good Job. I have the Viper GTS-R #91 and recently acquired that lovely Falcon XR8 (loved that car in GT3.)

I have some of the cars on the table. are we change the vintage the next season for the gt one?

 

[CobraMustang]

Good catch Skel, the RM Camaro will be in group 1, thanks

 

[Kalmiya117]

I prefer to keep the series separate. If you want you are more and welcome to run that version. I will def will join if possible.

 

[Mudd]

Yes, if forced to choose, I would run Vintage. But (schedule permitting) I would love to run both. I believe we must at least have a second season of vintage, if not more

 

[200MphFord]

Well due to the PSN being down i cant get knline to tune the GT350R but after running it yesterday i started to pick apart the tune and cured the twitchyness i spoke of and a little of the body roll. The result is a car that is tossable in corners and still retains a little(and i mean a little) of its oversteer but thats only when you push it too hard. It still needs a bit of work since i got a little frustrated with it yesterday. Im thinking it'll be ready by mayhe next week or a little after, i wont know until im able to go back online.