What's eating at Lewis Hamilton?

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Another race, another penalty. After nearly crashing into Felipe Massa on the Q3 outlap, and then really crashing with him in the race, Lewis Hamilton has once again successfully taken himself out of the running of another race. This, naturally begs the question: what's going on in Hamilton's head?

The past few races have been scrappy, to say the least. In Hungary, he pushed too hard in changing conditions to get the priority pit call and then blew his tyre choice when he did. In Belgium, he made a silly mistake passing Kamui Kobayashi, and crashed out. In Italy, Hamilton spent twenty-seven laps pinned behind Michael Schumacher - when Jenson Button passed him on the first attempt - and the team were heard encouraging him over the radio (when was the last time that happened?). Finally, in Singapore, he crashed with Felipe Massa and earned himself a penalty. No doubt the Hamiltonistas will come up for an explanation for this (their latest one is that Massa should stop worrying about Hamilton and start worrying about saving his own career - funnily enough, if they insist Hamilton is driving as well as he ever has, then that means everyone else on the grid is faster than him, which is that much worse for Hamilton), but all is clearly not well with Hamilton. We're now at the point where Hamilton is out of contention for the championship while his team-mate is still in with a chance. That has never happened before.

I believe Hamilton's problems are two-fold. First of all, he is over-driving the car, trying entirely too hard. He was the first man to prove that Sebastian Vettel could be beaten when he won in China, and he did it before Vettel secured his stranglehold on the field. Lewis Hamilton should have been the man to lead the charge against Vettel, but it never materialised. Hamilton did everything right, and still came off second-best to Vettel. He simply has no answer to Vettel's pace, and that must gnaw at him. So he has started over-driving the car, trying too hard. We saw it at Monza when he out-braked himself into the first chicane while trying to lap Buemi. It was a completely unnecesssary move, and while it didn't hurt him, it certainly didn't help him. Other times, he's gone for gaps that simply did not exist - Maldonado and Massa in Monaco spring to mind, as does the aborted pass on Button in Canada.

Secondly, and much more worryingly, I think Hamilton has no respect for the other drivers. We've seen this several times over the year, and while taken individually they seem harmless, when you look at all of them together, it's a much more worrying trend. Firstly, he made disparaging comments towards other drivers after Monaco, as well as his poor joke that the stewards are racist. Then, after colliding with Kobayashi in Belgium, he accused the Sauber driver of being at fault without bothering to look at the replays. And now in Singapore, he nearly collided with Massa on their outlap in Q3 - a compeltely pointless exercise, because he traded being caught in Massa's dirty air for being caught in Alonso's; for someone depicted as one of the smartest racers on the grid, why didn't he simply back off on his outlap and get clear air? Vettel did it and put in a fantastic lap. Finally - and this one is debatable - Hamilton made an aggressive lunge on Pastor Maldonado at the end of Q2 at Spa. Now, it's true that Maldonado left the door wide open at the time, but Hamilton barged him wide on the exit of the Bus Stop, pushing Maldonado out onto the wet line. It's unlikely Maldonado would have made Q3 himself, but with the track constantly drying through the session, he did stand a chance at improving his lap time until Hamilton forced him wide. Hamilton's fans state that Hamilton should have the right to set a competitive lap time, but if that is true, then Maldonado has the same right. Like I said, taken on their own, these incidents are minor - but looking at the Maldonado incident and taking into account Hamilton's behaviour towards other racers, I think it's starting to show that Hamilton has no respect for other drivers. It's a "me first, me first" attitude, where if other drivers get in Hamilton's way, it's their own stupid fault. Of course, that's just my own opinion.

So, what do you think is going on inside Hamilton's head? And what do you think he can do to reclaim his mojo?
 
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Any serious opinions here?

I've thought about this too. Perhaps it's frustration at the fact that the car isn't as competitive as he would like. He has alluded to this in the past. Or maybe he is dealing with something in his personal life. He recently dropped his father as personal manager. Perhaps family relations behind closed doors aren't quite 100%. I'm really just spit balling here though. It could be a number of things. Perhaps he's just missing that spark. Maybe he needs to see one of those "sports psychologists" and work something out.
 
Any serious opinions here?

I've thought about this too. Perhaps it's frustration at the fact that the car isn't as competitive as he would like. He has alluded to this in the past. Or maybe he is dealing with something in his personal life. He recently dropped his father as personal manager. Perhaps family relations behind closed doors aren't quite 100%. I'm really just spit balling here though. It could be a number of things. Perhaps he's just missing that spark. Maybe he needs to see one of those "sports psychologists" and work something out.

You know people would treat it serious if it needed to be, he made a mistake racing a tad too hard today. If he had made a clean pass on Massa we wouldn't be doing this most likely, it's just funny how people make it one way or the other for the same situation. Let's not blow it up more than it needs today. Last year it was Vettel people treated like this, and this year Lewis. Just watch the race why should he see a sports psychologist? Cause media and the conclusion you get from gossip and analyst say...If he wasn't in a run for second then I'd agree, if he was 10th in points I'd agree, if he hadn't won a race or numerous podiums I would most of all have to agree. Yet this isn't the case he has had a good year and will at least finish fifth in standings. I can agree that Jenson has been a better driver than Lewis, but why shouldn't he do better than Lewis it's not like Jenson is a lesser driver than any of the other four at the top.
 

This. Just over-analysis and pushing food around the plate because this is otherwise a not-terribly-newsworthy year for Formula 1. Vettel has hardly put a foot wrong all year, the F150 has been a serious disappointment, there has not been a real standout new driver (except possibly Di Resta), and the driver transfer market is quiet. There's just not much else to discuss so Hamilton's actions get dissected and re-dissected... and re-dissected. And for all the pulling of hair and gnashing of teeth, he's 18 points adrift of 2nd place Jenson Button. Even if he had driven perfectly all year, I can't imagine he would've made the champhionship meaningfully closer.

A far better question would be 'what's eating Felipe Massa?' He's got half the points of any other driver for Ferrari/RBR/McLaren. The F150 hasn't been very good but Massa hasn't even sniffed the podium all year.
 
I've been planning this thread since Spa. I just wanted to see how the next two races would play out at the time.

You're not the only person that brings this question up...that quote you took isn't at you, sorry your just not that privileged. So I'm saying this to the people in general who bring this question up. This has been my argument for all the psuedo-analyst, that they always say a pass is so brilliant when it works but that exact same pass by the driver when not made, makes them stupid or error prone drivers? So their is a double standard to passes?

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A far better question would be 'what's eating Felipe Massa?' He's got half the points of any other driver for Ferrari/RBR/McLaren. The F150 hasn't been very good but Massa hasn't even sniffed the podium all year.

I actually wanted to put that in my previous post, but I'm glad someone else had the same idea.
 
If he had made a clean pass on Massa we wouldn't be doing this most likely,

This is the crux of the matter - his ability to make clean overtakes has vanished this year in a very high profile manner. One does not expect an ex-WDC to be barging into people and trading paint with a team mate.

My personal view is the reason is he most obvious; Button. Although its not Buttons fault, its Lewis's ego getting the best of him.

The first person you have to beat is your teammate, and Lewis is consistently being outperformed on points paying day by his stablemate.

Additionally, Button isn't the one climbing on the radio whining about worn tyres or having to maintain delta times during a race. He just gets on with it and races and unfortunately for Lewis, has been doing a standout job of it. Lewis might feel he is the defacto #1 due to his tenor with the team, but with Button outperforming him and creating no waves whilst doing it, it's got to be eating at him.

Also, this thread isnt about Massa - keep it on topic.
 
You're not the only person that brings this question up...that quote you took isn't at you, sorry your just not that privileged. So I'm saying this to the people in general who bring this question up. This has been my argument for all the psuedo-analyst, that they always say a pass is so brilliant when it works but that exact same pass by the driver when not made, makes them stupid or error prone drivers? So their is a double standard to passes?

He is very much a marked man now. It's not just the past few weeks, but things like Spygate, the fallout with Alonso, not paying his dues at a backmarker team like other drivers have done... He's never going to have the benign sort of appreciation that Vettel or Button enjoy now--it's very much love or hate Hamilton. I think now it's at the point where Hamilton needs to drive flawlessly AND win for the war drums to quiet down. Nothing makes friends as good as winning...

I actually wanted to put that in my previous post, but I'm glad someone else had the same idea.

I think Massa maybe gets a bit of a free pass because of his injury in 2009. The Red Bulls have gotten better to be sure and Alonso is the best in the sport, but he has not been the same driver since. I think if Hamilton were performing that poorly, people would be foaming at the mouth saying that he's overrated, he sucks, he got lucky, etc.
 
We can't keep referring to 2009 forever... look at Schumacher... he had that neck(?) injury that delayed his return to F1, but two years are more than enough for a recovery. It's likely Felipe's head isn't in the game anymore, at all. Which is sad, because he's still young and he's shown that he can be a very fast, consistent and clean driver.

So much for the Off-topic... Lewis isn't just suffering from mistakes... he's suffering from absolutely stupid mistakes. The focus just isn't there. The commentators at STAR picked up one of his passes late in the race, where he almost collected Rosberg in the same place as he collected Massa. He was just driving way too close to the car in front in his eagerness to get ahead.

The Massa mistake wasn't a mistake in overtaking. Lewis simply wasn't paying attention to the Ferrari. It was on the racing line, he was on the outside. Felipe was well ahead of him and had the line, Hamilton tried to cut in too late, now willing to lose momentum for the sake of safety. He lost out.

And there's the constant whining over the radio, in the media. His potshots at the team, his public outcry over having to do too many promotional activities. Once McLaren had agreed to let him do less, he should have done better on track, but he hasn't.

He's floundering around, looking for something to blame his lack of success on. He's jostling in a pack of drivers who aren't as quick as he is but who are ahead on points (well, Alonso is as quick, but his car definitely isn't), he hasn't made any dent in Vettel's lead. Definitely Button's doing a psych number on him as bad as the one he pulled on Alonso in his first year... because nobody really expects Button to be outperforming Hamilton, especially after his quiet season last year.

Perhaps lacking his father's guidance has cost Lewis something. Whether it's a stable and firm hand guiding his schedule and off-track activities, or someone to keep him in line (moral guidance? strict coaching?), I don't know, but surely Lewis needs a good manager to whip him back into fighting form.
 
The touch with massa was such a touch of bad luck, nothing to do with whats going in his head, he was going faster through the corner and misjudged the way massa was turning in, they touched. Racing incident, rather than hamilton being overly ambitious.


**** happens, hamilton got over it and still finished well, I don't see why there is even need for a discussion over such a small little ding.


Did you miss Schumacher flying through the air into the wall?
 
Did you miss Schumacher flying through the air into the wall?
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LOL, but Hamilton must be having family issues....blah, blah, blah.
People have bad times, they come and go. Much less, nothing on the grid is running like Vettel's ride. He has to run his car on a thinner knife's edge than Vettel so more cuts will happen. Let it go.
 
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LOL, but Hamilton must be having family issues....blah, blah, blah.
People have bad times, they come and go. Much less, nothing on the grid is running like Vettel's ride. He has to run his car on a thinner knife's edge than Vettel so more cuts will happen. Let it go.

How is this related to my post?
 
Alone, it'd be a racing incident. But it's the quality of it. Schumacher got caught out by Perez's braking, and, let's face it... the idea of Schumacher crashing/blocking/trolling in a race this season isn't all that novel anymore... :lol:

Hamilton collided with Kobayashi because he wasn't checking his mirrors. He collided with Massa because he wasn't looking where he was going... then he almost did the same thing to Rosberg because he made the exact same mistake. You know where the racing line is. You know where the car in front of you is going to drive. He was well clear of Massa and then he adds a little extra steering and punches straight through Massa's rear tire. That was stupid, either way you look at it.

I'm actually not on the anti-Hamilton bandwagon... some of the incidents he's been in have patently not been his fault (Maldonado incident... that's racing... Maldonado got held up, Lewis went by), but those that are are very hard to ignore.
 
I think he's been trying to show Nicole how much X-factor he has, especially since the whole Conan bit.
 
I think Hamilton lost his faith in Mclaren, and he can't find the inspiration to drive properly with a not so competitive car, and that has been fuelling his bad temper.

He must give up his chances to win something this year, and focus on next year, and put all his effort in the 2012 car. Sad but true.



Or Nicole has put him on a dry streak.
 
There's no defense to Hamilton. It's not bad luck, driving incident, or people picking on him. He's consistently crashing into people this season. It's not a matter of whether he'll be involved in an incident, but rather who's gonna be involved. I don't think any driver on the field today has had more incidents involving other cars than Hamilton had this season alone. You can forgive a couple of mistakes, but when they happen that often, it's unexcusable.

And the problem is that he truly believes he's right and people are picking on him, and McLaren trying to cover up his mess. Why don't the FIA do anything about it? will he have to kill someone before they give him a meaningful penalty?
 
Yuji Ide has taken up voodoo magic in his retirement.
 
Like I said in the Singapore thread, I'd take odds on Hamilton being out of F1 in 2013 once his present contract is done. He's talking and driving himself out of a job at McLaren, RBR and Ferrari as options are closed to him, and I think he has too much pride to drive for a mid-pack team.

I'd agree with the OP and whoever said "Button" as the reasons for his funk. He can save his McLaren ride with a serious bounce-back year in 2012, but who here really thinks that's in the cards? Ferrari likely can improve significantly because they seem to have gotten this year's car badly wrong in comparison with their 2010 design. McLaren, I'm not so sure has as much they can gain, at least until the upcoming rules change. And if they're still struggling compared to the Red Bulls in 2012, I don't see Hamilton becoming a happier camper.

It'd be a hoot to see him in NASCAR, though. No one there's averse to argy-bargy. He'd fit in, at least until the first pit-lane fist fight. He's a bit small for that sort of thing.
 
As much as I agree Hamilton isnt doing as well this year as he should be, I do disagree with the whole uncompetitive car side of things. That McLaren has been quite quick, faster than the Ferrari's anyway. Look at Hamiltons pace at Singapore after all the calamity, he managed to finish 5th (or was it 6th?) From right near the back end of the field. I think its the fact that he is just a fairly young bloke living the dream of a teenager and not taking it seriously and frustration could be playing a part in it too (The start of Singapore, he got an insane launch but got cut off by Webber then held up by the Merc's and Ferrari's). I believe he will pull through next year, well, as long as he pulls his finger out and focuses abit more.

This situation with Hamilton could be applied to Webber too... He hasnt been doing too well either when he should be right behind that gearbox of Vettel being that they are the same car and all.
 
What's eating at Lewis Hamilton?

Honestly, I think the single biggest thing is frustration with a car that he knows can't quite match the pace of the RB7 (in the hands of Vettel) no matter how much talent the driver has. I don't think second or third is good enough for Lewis; that he wants a second WDC title, and he has no realistic chance of it in his current car. He has to push extra hard and take chances in desperate moves to remain a contender, and it's never good enough. I'd imagine that had he been driving the RB7 he'd probably be a bit more relaxed and not quite so brash.
 
This. Just over-analysis and pushing food around the plate because this is otherwise a not-terribly-newsworthy year for Formula 1. Vettel has hardly put a foot wrong all year, the F150 has been a serious disappointment, there has not been a real standout new driver (except possibly Di Resta), and the driver transfer market is quiet. There's just not much else to discuss so Hamilton's actions get dissected and re-dissected... and re-dissected. And for all the pulling of hair and gnashing of teeth, he's 18 points adrift of 2nd place Jenson Button. Even if he had driven perfectly all year, I can't imagine he would've made the champhionship meaningfully closer.

A far better question would be 'what's eating Felipe Massa?' He's got half the points of any other driver for Ferrari/RBR/McLaren. The F150 hasn't been very good but Massa hasn't even sniffed the podium all year.

Waiting for the next piece of racing debris to hit him in the head :crazy:

No dis-respect meant; just a point that he has not been the same since his injury.

And maybe Lewis is expressing more than others some frustration at being embarrassed by Vettel (like Kettle Mr. Coulthard :)) for almost 2 years in a row :sly:
 
This is the crux of the matter - his ability to make clean overtakes has vanished this year in a very high profile manner. One does not expect an ex-WDC to be barging into people and trading paint with a team mate.

My personal view is the reason is he most obvious; Button. Although its not Buttons fault, its Lewis's ego getting the best of him.

The first person you have to beat is your teammate, and Lewis is consistently being outperformed on points paying day by his stablemate.

Additionally, Button isn't the one climbing on the radio whining about worn tyres or having to maintain delta times during a race. He just gets on with it and races and unfortunately for Lewis, has been doing a standout job of it. Lewis might feel he is the defacto #1 due to his tenor with the team, but with Button outperforming him and creating no waves whilst doing it, it's got to be eating at him.

Also, this thread isnt about Massa - keep it on topic.

Seeing as it has been Massa mostly complaining about Hamilton, I think you should probably prepare to see that name come up. No one has made this a Massa thread so let's not get carried away. Maldonado would be the next biggest one to complain about Lewis.

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And the problem is that he truly believes he's right and people are picking on him, and McLaren trying to cover up his mess. Why don't the FIA do anything about it? will he have to kill someone before they give him a meaningful penalty?

^ This right here is what is annoying me, and annoyed me last year when a few people said it about Vettel. We are talking about world class drivers here, that have a championship. Hamilton knows how to drive but maybe it's just me and watching racing where bumping other drivers happens. I don't see how clipping your front wing in the back of someone is going to get them killed. I've seen worse from Shumi that could have got people killed, yet hamilton who probably does more damage to his car than others is going to kill some one?
 
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Honestly, I think the single biggest thing is frustration with a car that he knows can't quite match the pace of the RB7 (in the hands of Vettel) no matter how much talent the driver has. I don't think second or third is good enough for Lewis; that he wants a second WDC title, and he has no realistic chance of it in his current car. He has to push extra hard and take chances in desperate moves to remain a contender, and it's never good enough. I'd imagine that had he been driving the RB7 he'd probably be a bit more relaxed and not quite so brash.

There's some merit to this. The RB7 is worth a half to three quarters of a second or more on any track, on any tire, in any conditions, all year long, which is incredible in its own right, and Vettel is in the midst of the most dominant season I can recall since maybe Schumacher's in 2002. I'm really interested to see who would come out on top if Ferrari, McLaren and RBR were roughly on the same footing...
 
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I find myself typing this a lot - Brundle made the point that a fair few of Hamilton's incidents these past few years have not really been aggressive mistakes. The incidents with Massa at Singapore and last year at Monza as well as Kobayashi at Spa were not the signs of frustration or aggression but just really bizarre mistakes.

Its easy for people to say he's getting frustrated or feeling pressured by Button. But I think while that surely is a factor in some of his incidents, the stuff like with Kobayashi is just weird. He just seems to make some really basic driving errors sometimes and they are not even due to being aggressive...they're just stupid/clumsy moves.

I don't know what to think really. I hesitate from simply labelling it as frustration or mind-melting though. I do wonder if Hamilton's driving hasn't really changed at all since 2007, its just his status and his reputation are changing due to his teammate's relative achievements. He certainly made clumsy errors in 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010.
 
Maybe anxiety to win another championship during the 'Vettel' years can cause loss of focus, resulting in unforced mistakes.
 

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