Wheel V Pad

[Saidur_Ali]

Why?
Why would you alienate probably 75% of your loyal customers/fans/followers?
Its not a race, no one gets in your way!
The cream will rise to the top no matter what, what could banning DS3 users possibly achieve?

They are sort of already doing it as the finals have wheels, not much chance for DS3 users if they are forced to use it, not 100% sure on that though.

The only thing they need to to with gt academy is force on ASM to stop the cheats exploiting GTs physics by sliding around he corner.

The only cheating going on for you is cheating yourself out of not trying to do better through a ridiculous excuse.

Banning ABS and every other assist on GT Academy is a better option than forcing ASM, braking will rely solely on driver's ability, just like steering and accelerating.
Without ABS or any other aids, I doubt those drivers who exploited the physics could do it again, at least it will be a lot harder to drift around corner. I did all of last GTA event without ABS, with default 5/5 BB, still manageable, just needs to adapt.

I don't think it will change the order too much, you can drive more or less just as fast with or without ABS and similar handling. Maybe 5/5 BB is not ideal and may lose you a few tenths. I think it would be better if they disabled Active Steering in short term, seems to be a growing habit for quite a lot of players to use it now.

ABS in GT5 do not represent real life ABS at all, it's a simple brake assist with user adjustable parameter, higher number means more turning grip is allocated instead for braking.

Read further in this thread for more info and discussion :


ABS 0 community where are you???

I think without ABS GT5 is probably less stable and easier to lock up than real life would be. ABS on 1 or without ABS is probably as realistic as each other, maybe ABS 1 is more realistic in general for how a car will behave in regards to performance driving.


Wheel Vs Pad, I think if you compare it in a different way, the quicker you are at the game either with wheel or pad, wheel users have it easier. If you are average, maybe wheel and pad users find it similar in performance or pad a bit easier to be faster in endurance racing. If you are driver that struggles to keep it on the track while not going too quickly then, I think pad users will find it easier than wheel users in that situation. It all effects tyre wear, if you are better than average with wheel, you should find it easier to look after your tyres / just as well compared to a similar fast pad player.

 

[Small_Fryz]

Off, Most hot laps are set with tire wear off. I stated a standing start, 1 lap race like most online races, There were other cars as it was an online race with witnesses, but i probably started in pole position. I had no draft help. I also said the CSL was only at 550pp, not above, Also Racing softs to whoever asked.



My sig is a joke, All of it. I only use ABS-1. no SRF.

Your sig isn't the only thing that is a joke.
Do you have any proof of these times? or the fact that you ran it under those limitations?

First you claim no wheel user can beat your Nurburgring times, now challenged we dig deeper and all sorts of stipulations and conditions arise, you claim it was set in a race, standing start "probably from pole with no draft" and then have a pp limit thrown in as well, which is impossible to verify via screenshots or even videos.

I've been around the traps a while and seen all sorts of competitions, but none have ever been a 1 lap, standing start race. Sounds like you are just having everyone on here.

 

[NLxAROSA]

Shouldn't take you to long right? I'll expect a video by tomorrow, your greatness

So you demand videos from others, but fail to post one yourself? How about you provide a backup of your claims first? Anyone can call out a time...

 

[rosckolove]

Your sig isn't the only thing that is a joke.
Do you have any proof of these times? or the fact that you ran it under those limitations?

First you claim no wheel user can beat your Nurburgring times, now challenged we dig deeper and all sorts of stipulations and conditions arise, you claim it was set in a race, standing start "probably from pole with no draft" and then have a pp limit thrown in as well, which is impossible to verify via screenshots or even videos.

I've been around the traps a while and seen all sorts of competitions, but none have ever been a 1 lap, standing start race. Sounds like you are just having everyone on here.

Sounds to me like intelligence isn't one of your strong suits, nor are manners. I never claimed wheel users can't beat my times. No new stipulations arise at all. There was no draft. I said i "probably" started from pole position, because i did these all in online races against people (its possible i started from 2nd) PP limit was thrown in from the start, And it is there because thats the way most online rooms are regulated. I have saved the replays for most of them i think (sometimes i don't bother because i plan to beat it) And there are plenty of people online who have witnessed this. You could probably go online in "like" PP rooms and ask about the fastest lap they have seen, My name would eventually come up, you could verify it that way.

But do me a favor and don't do any of that, just ignore this entire thread/post/challenge and don't waste my time with your bad attitude, sound good?

 

[arora]

I'd like to see that replay 👍

 

[rosckolove]

So you demand videos from others, but fail to post one yourself? How about you provide a backup of your claims first? Anyone can call out a time...

No just him because he was a smart ass, it was my way of rushing him since he said it would be easy (i now realize if it was easy he would have already done it and not been crying about stipulations) I have no way to upload a video, nor have i learned how to share a replay (assuming its possible?)

Anyone can throw up times yes, I understand. My best proof would be others validating the times that have seen them.

But even so, if i can convince you they are real or not, doesn't matter. I know they are real, and i know SOMEONE is going to try this with all of the "stipulations" or specs already posted. They will either beat my time, and show me whats possible. Or they will deny it being possible, which i think would be the best compliment.

 

[arora]

It's very very very easy to share a replay, lets see it.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

No just him because he was a smart ass, it was my way of rushing him since he said it would be easy (i now realize if it was easy he would have already done it and not been crying about stipulations) I have no way to upload a video, nor have i learned how to share a replay (assuming it possible)

Go to replay theater in GT5 life menu, choose the desired replay, choose export to XMB as save file. Now under XMB, go to save game files, there should be replay save files usually starts with GT5 replay RPLxxx, copy the save file to USB flash drive.

Copy the folder to your PC, it should be under this kind of directory on your USB flash drive : X:\PS3\SAVEDATA\BCUS98114-RPLXXX, BCUS98114 is for US version GT5.

Use winzip or winrar to make a zip file, now you can upload it as attachment it on GTP using attachment function when posting ( there's a file size limit for this ) or upload it to any file hosting service or email storage like what Google or MSN have then post the link here.

I posted 3 replays of my tests on GT86, FR-S and BRZ in a thread about them when the DLC came out, nobody viewed them

 

[arora]

Anyone can throw up times yes, I understand. My best proof would be others validating the times that have seen them.

That is no proof at all.

But even so, if i can convince you they are real or not, doesn't matter.

It does mater, kinda like, it's the whole point of the thread.

 

[rosckolove]

It's very very very easy to share a replay, lets see it.

haha, thanks for the useful information

I'll get on that as soon as i get a chance (i don't always reside where the playstation does) might be a few days.

Reading your new post, just step out of the convo, please. The main thing here is lap times, not an argument about them being valid.

The point was to beat them, if your any type of good driver you will realize they are possible.
I already know i don't have replays saved for ALL of them, so if its going to be hard for you to believe them, just leave now, don't waste your own time.

If you think your good though, just try and beat it with the specs listed, if you can then why do you need to believe me anyway? If you can't and don't believe me... well that would be amusing for me.

Thanks ridox, i will do that as soon as i get a chance, and i'm sorry to hear that lol. Someone will

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Kind of making ludicrous claim that needs to be proven , I had some giggles on that very same name thread.

Check my post about sharing replay rosckolove, it's pretty simple.

 

[arora]

Maybe this will help. https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=176743

 

[arora]

The point was to beat them, if your any type of good driver you will realize they are possible.
I already know i don't have replays saved for ALL of them, so if its going to be hard for you to believe them, just leave now, don't waste your own time.

You would be surprised at the abilities of the people you are speaking with, not only in driving skill, but also knowing what is possible in the game.

It's not a waste of time mate, I look out for the betterment of the gtp boards, you are not smelling so good atm.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I have posted a step by step guide on sharing replay files, albeit a simple one on page 5

Go to replay theater in GT5 life menu, choose the desired replay, choose export to XMB as save file. Now under XMB, go to save game files, there should be replay save files usually starts with GT5 replay RPLxxx, copy the save file to USB flash drive.

Copy the folder to your PC, it should be under this kind of directory on your USB flash drive : X:\PS3\SAVEDATA\BCUS98114-RPLXXX, BCUS98114 is for US version GT5.

Use winzip or winrar to make a zip file, now you can upload it as attachment it on GTP using attachment function when posting ( there's a file size limit for this ) or upload it to any file hosting service or email storage like what Google or MSN have then post the link here.

I posted 3 replays of my tests on GT86, FR-S and BRZ in a thread about them when the DLC came out, nobody viewed them

 

[nascarfn]

i do race with a ds3 sometimes but i race with a g27 80% of the time and i actually get more laps with the wheel then i do with the ds3 (but i also race in real life so that could be apart of it) (i know how to control the throttle and brake)

 

[arora]

The was not intended at you Ridox, was in response to being called one.

 

[arora]

Reading your new post, just step out of the convo, please. The main thing here is lap times, not an argument about them being valid.

Wut? In that case, I already beat all 3 like a champ

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

The was not intended at you Ridox, was in response to being called one.

No worries, I thought nobody noticed my post about the replay thing lol.

 

[rosckolove]

I wrote this big thing out, and realized i am just playing into your stupid argument.

When i do load the videos i do have, or get enough people to say they have seen it or whatever it comes down to. You will realize that all of your posts so far have been worthless.

Just try it dude. If you can do it, then awesome i can learn something, if you can't then i will be highly amused that someone with such surprising ability can't beat a dude who only plays at his friends house on the weekends (if that) on a controller.

Just forget the stupid argument for now. Try it. I will get the proof i asap.

 

[arora]

You will not find any apologies here, you are clearly trolling, nothing more.

I can edit too

Weak, what probably happened is you saw some yt like this and said to yourself "surely he is loosing time with all that sliding and there is an off, I'll just take a stab that 10 sec quicker is doable"



Maybe not, but I'll be waiting for your proof of lap 👍

 

[rosckolove]

You will not find any apologies here, you are clearly trolling, nothing more.

Actually sir, you are the one trolling, and the one thats going to get the thread shut down because of your stupid arguments.

Someone took something i said as a challenge, they "accepted" it, i gave them the details they needed. You came in with all your BS.

Now please dude, just leave if any of this bothers you. without you here, the problem of stupid arguments is cut in half.

Ok since you have a problem with me editing my posts in favor of a more adult approach i will leave this here, Thanks for trying it out man. I think you are entirely correct, ten seconds is achievable. Good try.

 

[arora]

Just try it dude. If you can do it, then awesome i can learn something, if you can't then i will be highly amused that someone with such surprising ability can't beat a dude who only plays at his friends house on the weekends (if that) on a controller.

Just forget the stupid argument for now. Try it. I will get the proof i asap.

First off, I never said I could do it, go back and look. More importantly to me, why don't you try that tvr lap? You say things like "I don't have enough time to play gt" "I'm away from the ps3 etc, I'm simply saying I think you are full of crap and actually add nothing to the convo.

Controller vs. wheel in gt5? Well who cares, rocksalt is super fast

 

[arora]

Someone took something i said as a challenge, they accepted it, i gave them the details they needed. You came in with all your BS.

They challenged the validity of the challenge, I agreed with them

Now please dude, just leave if any of this bothers you. without you here, the problem of stupid arguments is cut in half.

Not really, you will hear what I say from all the others as well once they realize you are full of it.

 

[rosckolove]

They challenged the validity of the challenge, I agreed with them

You might want to read farther back, your wasting more time again.

Not really, you will hear what I say from all the others as well once they realize you are full of it

Full of it? For what? i assume posting unachievable lap times? You must not have been the surprising ability that you were referring to then huh?

Seriously though just stop, when i get to post the video's you will realize how stupid you are being at the moment, if you choose to wait until then to believe me, fine. But stop cluttering this thread with your crap.

 

[arora]

Now you are worried about how fast or slow I am? I'm pretty damn slow these days, I never was all that fast to begin with, not the point and I'm not delusional but I think you are.

Just to say something back on topic, in gt3 and 4 I can say the pad may have had an advantage over the wheel for a few reasons. Once gt5p hit it was clear to all that the wheel is the way to go, now sometime back gt5 made a few changes over a few updates that brought the pad back up to contention, first with the sensitivity thing, and later on with a physics update.

Wheel > pad for quickest laptimes atm.

EDIT: Nope, I will not stop cluttering the thread until you come clean.

 

[rosckolove]

Now you are worried about how fast or slow I am? I'm pretty damn slow these days, I never was all that fast to begin with, not the point and I'm not delusional but I think you are.

Just to say something back on topic, in gt3 and 4 I can say the pad may have had an advantage over the wheel for a few reasons. Once gt5p hit it was clear to all that the wheel is the way to go, now sometime back gt5 made a few changes over a few updates that brought the pad back up to contention, first with the sensitivity thing, and later on with a physics update.

Wheel > pad for quickest laptimes atm.

EDIT: Nope, I will not stop cluttering the thread until you come clean.

When did i state i was worried? Come clean... What hahaha?
Listen i appreciate you trying to "better" GTP, seriously i do, But your being foolish. Please realize that right now, in this thread, your are not helping the "betterment" of GTP.

There is no foul play going on here, Someone picked out something i said before as a challenge and this is what stemmed from it. I can't YET prove the times i posted, but i will. Just relax a bit man, go do a few races to calm down.

Oh and when i get a chance, i will try the TVR lap. I will record the whole thing (with my cell phone propped on my shoulder if i have to) from car selection to the end of the race. When i get a chance.

 

[arora]

There is no foul play going on here, Someone picked out something i said before as a challenge and this is what stemmed from it. I can't YET prove the times i posted, but i will. Just relax a bit man, go do a few races to calm down.

I'm calm as can be. I seriously doubt that you will prove the csl time, maybe, even if you use srf I will be surprised and eat as much crow as you desire.

Oh and when i get a chance, i will try the TVR lap. I will record the whole thing (with my cell phone propped on my shoulder if i have to) from car selection to the end of the race. When i get a chance.

Now that is something worth seeing, albeit not really fair, I mean Holland is super fast with wheel as well as pad, he can lay down death defying laps very very few can match and if he thought he could do it quicker with pad, he wouuld. But if you come anywhere near that lap and time I will surely apologize profusely.(It's not gonna happen)

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Chill out guys, a good distraction for the time being, here are some videos of my practice run with a DS2 pad, wheels users would have no trouble beating any of these, I presume.

All done with no ABS or any other aids, comfort medium tires, stock condition.
Not a challenge, just giving a chance for wheels users to beat a DS2 user for fun and killing boredom.


Lamborghini Countach 25Th Anniversary '88 at Rome, 1:23.518


McLaren F1 '94 at Suzuka, 2:28.438


Ferrari 599 at London Reverse, 1:04.077


Maserati GranTurismo S '08 at Motegi Full Road Course, 2:22.683


Ferrari 458 Italia at Monza Rain, 2:07.xxx



Dodge Viper GTS '02 at Road Course Daytona, 2:10.372


Ignore these videos if you are not keen on no ABS driving and using comfort medium

 

[rosckolove]

I'm calm as can be. I seriously doubt that you will prove the csl time, maybe, even if you use srf I will be surprised and eat as much crow as you desire.



Now that is something worth seeing, albeit not really fair, I mean Holland is super fast with wheel as well as pad, he can lay down death defying laps very very few can match and if he thought he could do it quicker with pad, he wouuld. But if you come anywhere near that lap and time I will surely apologize profusely.(It's not gonna happen)

The CSL time was the hardest one, and the one with the most witnesses.
I hope i have a video of that one, but I doubt I do as i usually didn't save them, since i was going for a 6:26 (haven't made it yet). Even if i don't have a video, members of this forum have witnessed it. And that is substantial proof if you choose to believe it or not. I never use SRF. It would ruin my perception of NON SRF physics. I can't just switch from one to the other without "getting used" to one of them, and then having to re-learn.

By the way, the fact that you think it is impossible is kind of what i was hoping for It will get proved though, probably by a few others also, if the right people see this.

As for the TVR lap (that i just noticed wasn't yours anyway.....) I don't think i will beat it. But i will get plenty close, whats your best attempt in that car?

 

[arora]

Nice vids Ridox 👍 A few scary moments at suz Thanks for sharing.

Common now Roscko, enough with the silly talk, lets see something.